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Q4 2016 Earnings Call· Thu, Mar 23, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good morning everyone and welcome to the PVH Corp’s Fourth Quarter 2016 Earnings Conference Call. This webcast and conference call is being recorded on behalf of PVH and consists of copyrighted material. It may not be recorded, rebroadcast or otherwise used without PVH's written permission. Your participation in the question-and-answer session constitutes your consent to having anything you say appear on any transcript or replay of this call. The information being made available includes forward-looking statements that reflect PVH's view as of March 22, 2017 of future events and financial performance. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties indicated in the company's SEC filings and the Safe Harbor statement included in the press release that is a subject of this call. These risks and uncertainties include PVH's right to change its strategies, objectives, expectations and intentions and its need to use significant cash flow to service its debt obligations. Therefore, the company's future results of operations could differ materially from historical results or current expectations. PVH does not undertake any obligation to update publicly any forward-looking statement, including, without limitation, any estimate regarding revenues or earnings. Generally, the financial information and guidance provided is on the non-GAAP basis as defined under SEC rules. Reconciliations to GAAP amounts are included in PVH’s fourth quarter 2016 earnings results, which can be found on www.pvh.com and in the company's current report on Form 8-K furnished to the SEC in connection with the release. At this time, I am pleased to turn the conference over to Mr. Manny Chirico, Chairman and CEO of PVH.

Manny Chirico

Management

Thank you, Karina. Good morning everyone. Joining me on the call is Mike Shaffer, our Chief Financial Officer and Chief Operating Officer; Dana Perlman, our Head of Treasuries and Investor Relations; and Ken Duane, who runs our North American Wholesale Businesses. Overall our strong performance in the fourth quarter exceeded our expectation and our full year 2016 performance demonstrated our ability to over deliver against our initial 2016 plans. Despite the ongoing challenging macro-environment and a highly promotional retail market in the United States. We grew 2016 earnings per share 20% on a constant currency basis above our long-term growth target. Throughout the year our performance was driven by the momentum across our Calvin Klein and Tommy Hilfiger businesses, with our international businesses truly the highlight. Our European and China businesses continue to be our healthiest markets. And we have seen relatively strong performance in our North American wholesale businesses. Strength has been seen across all distribution channels; wholesale, retail, and our digital channels. Speaking of digital, outsized growth continues across our digital e-commerce business. For both the fourth quarter and the year we continue to generate revenue growth in excess of 20%. And this channel continues to be our fastest growing distribution channels. During the quarter we started to see an improvement in trend in our U.S. outlet stores located in international tourist destination locations as terrific begin to stabilize a bit. As important as the domestic business has been historically, our international business continues to outpace our domestic growth, which is further diversifying our revenue and earning streams. We believe this trend will only continue to accelerate in 2017. Before I get into our individual brand performance, I would like to comments on our recently announced acquisition of True&Co. True is a direct-to-consumer intimate apparel e-commerce retailer. This…

Mike Shaffer

Management

Thanks, Manny. The comments I am about to make are based on non-GAAP results and are reconciled in our press release. I’m going to briefly touch on the fourth quarter of 2016 and then move on to 2017. Our reported revenues for the fourth quarter were flat for the prior year and exceeded our guidance. On the constant currency basis fourth quarter revenues increased 1%. Tommy Hilfiger revenues were on plan and up 5% on a constant currency basis inclusive on the move women’s North America wholesale business to G3 in the fourth quarter. The Tommy Hilfiger revenue increase was driven by strong international performance, including a 7% comp store increase in Europe. Our Calvin Klein revenues were flat to the prior year on a constant currency basis and exceeded guidance. Negatively impacting revenues versus the prior year was a deconsolidation of our Mexico business, which was worth approximately $25 million as well as a significant one time fixture fill in the prior year due to the expansion of the wholesale North America underwear business. Calvin Klein international revenues increased 14% on a constant currency basis with the 6% comp store increase, as well as strong wholesale performance. Heritage revenues were down 5% slightly below plan due primarily to the discontinuation of several license product lines in the dress furnishings business. Our non-GAAP earning per share was $0.05 better than the top end of our previous guidance, the EPS beat was driven by our overall revenue outperformance for approximately $0.03 and favorable interest and taxes for approximately $0.02. Our inventories ended the year very clean and flat for the prior year. Moving on to 2017, in 2017 we are currently anticipating that we’ll be negatively impacted by $0.40 per share due to foreign currency. The $0.40 impact is approximately 60%…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And we'll take our first question from Bob Drbul with Guggenheim. Please go ahead.

Bob Drbul

Analyst

Hi, good morning guys.

Manny Chirico

Management

Good morning.

Bob Drbul

Analyst

I guess Manny the first question is around e-commerce with this acquisition that you recently have completed, can you just talk a little bit about how your relationship with Amazon has developed and how this would change or alter that? Sort of how big is e-commerce for you today?

Manny Chirico

Management

Well we don’t disclose the e-commerce overall from a reported point of view. But on a retail sales basis overall we do about $1 billion in sales with all of our brands. The True acquisition is it's a relatively small business today. What it provides us is with the platform and expertise particularly from a data mining point of view with the consumer. And we're really going to use it as a laboratory to understand that business better. We believe we can grow the True brand globally effectively given our intimate expertise both from a logistics and sourcing point of view. I think they were lacking in those capabilities, but clearly had great capabilities from a digital point of view. So we're going to have to see how it all plays out, it's a relatively small acquisition for us, but it could be a very exciting acquisition as we go forward.

Bob Drbul

Analyst

Got it. Since I sort of got you on that one Manny, I'm going to ask Mike a question. On the marketing expenses, can you talk a little bit about the plans for '17 Mike, given the increases in '16, how you're thinking about that as an expense for 2017 and how you approach it?

Mike Shaffer

Management

Yes, Bob, the marketing expense as we look forward for 2017 we’re pretty much flat as a percent of sales with the dollars growing obviously because the revenues are growing. The timing it's pretty much going to be less, it was heavily weighted to the fourth quarter, it would be a little bit spread out definitely, but for the most part flat as a percent of sales.

Bob Drbul

Analyst

Great, thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. We'll take our next question from David Glick with Buckingham Research Group. Please go ahead.

David Glick

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please go ahead.

Thank you good morning. Manny there is a perception out there that maybe holding back the valuation of your stock that you have high exposure to the U.S. department store sector. With growth in your international business and even within the U.S. in specialty retail, your department store exposure has come down over the years. Can you walk us through kind of where it's been, where it is and where you see it going just so we can get some clarity just given the challenges that that sector is seeing. Thank you.

Manny Chirico

Management

Sure, well I guess I'd say a couple of things David. The department store sector in North America, in the United States in particular it's very important to us and it's the highly profitable channel. And those retailers are great strategic partners as we work together. But I think it's pretty clear that over the last seven years we've done a lot to significantly diversify our business model. Today 50% of our revenues are outside the United States, I think that's larger than just about every other major U.S. apparel maker. I think it's critical as we go forward to continue to fuel that growth and we're seeing that growth in Europe and Asia really accelerating. As we’ve made the investments over the last two years to really grow that business and those business are by far are highest operating margin businesses. So from that point of view it's critical we've done a lot over the last few years to grow our digital sales base as well in North America, but also around the world. So I think when I look at us competitively against the major players in the U.S. market, I think we are significantly more diversified both from a sales and an earnings point of view geographically with 50% of our sales occurring outside the U.S. and more than 50% probably close to 60% of our profits outside the U.S. So I would just say that I’ve heard this sense as well that because I think because we have such strong partnerships with the retailers here in the United States that I think that there is a sense that we’re overly dependent on that channel, it’s critical and it’s important to us. But I really feel strongly that we have done tremendous amount to diversify our business model with our own retail, a digital platform and the international investments that we have been making as we go forward. There is no single retailer that represents close to 10% of our sales from that perspective and I think overall when I look at the valuations as the CEO, I do get frustrated when I consider where we are trading as a price to earnings ratio, against some of the competitor that I tend to agree with you I think it’s just a misalignment at this point.

David Glick

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please go ahead.

Is it fair to say the department store penetration is at or below 20%, I mean when you factor in off price and your own retail and Amazon in the U.S. is that a fair characterization.

Manny Chirico

Management

Okay. But we don’t get into all of that, but you are pretty close, I don’t think it’s over that far off. So I think that’s a reasonable perspective when you look at it.

David Glick

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please go ahead.

Thanks. I just had one additional follow-up, the Tommy and Calvin brands have been very strong the last couple of years, there is a lot of fashion momentum, brand momentum; the other push back we get at times is well how can this continue given the department store conversation we just had. And that you’ve really developed a lot of the category and geographic opportunities. Can you quickly walk us through the biggest most significant Tommy and Calvin geographic and category opportunities still in front of you that could drive say high single digit constant currency growth going forward? Thanks.

Manny Chirico

Management

Sure, I guess I’d just take a step back more from a more micro and maybe more focusing on the short-term is as you would expect as we’re looking out at the U.S. retail landscape the U.S. market is continues to be almost challenged market. And because of that we are planning that business conservatively and based on current trends that we’re seeing in the market today. So we are not looking for huge improvements in the second half of the year, we would hope that as things stabilize that we’ll actually see those. But from a planning point of view and a projecting point of view to the street, we have really taken that third and fourth quarter and we have assumed that the trends we’re seeing right now will just continue as we work through some of the malaise we see in North America. The growth for us, I mean I’ve tried to cover in my opening comments is really happening internationally. The big opportunity for us and we have touched on in Europe is the Calvin Klein brand. Just basically given the fact that it’s about 30% the size of the Tommy Hilfiger business in Europe that gives us the opportunity in Europe to really go after that business. We are seeing it materialize both in our retail comps and we are also seeing it materialize in our order books that I have tried to layout to you. And there is really a significant amount of white space in Europe, when you think about our sportswear businesses we haven’t launched women’s yet in a meaningful way. Men’s is in the early stages from a growth point of view and the three categories that are really driving the growth today from just the size point of view are…

David Glick

Analyst · Buckingham Research Group. Please go ahead.

Great. Thank you very much for the color good luck.

Manny Chirico

Management

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

And we'll take our next question from Erinn Murphy with Piper Jaffray.

Erinn Murphy

Analyst · Piper Jaffray.

Great, thanks good morning. I wanted to focus Manny a little bit on just the North American landscape at wholesale. You guys have done a really nice job of keeping your inventories clean. Can you just talk a little bit about how inventory in the channel look right now in North America? And then I guess secondly on this channel, how are retailers approaching open to buy dollars in '17? And then just given the strength of both Calvin and Tommy kind of where do you fit on the packing order relative to your peers?

Manny Chirico

Management

Sure, I think there is always pockets, but right now I would say is I think the retailers have done a very good job in department store sector in particular about keeping inventories clear. We came out of the fourth quarter, I think they reacted strongly to some of the softer sales trends both from a tightening open to buy dollars and moving inventory out in the fourth quarter. So I think -- and the fact that I think that Easter is actually later this year three weeks it's a big timing shift. I think will position us well. So inventories and carryover is really been cleaned up as we go forward. The other pressure that's coming from that sector is significant pressure is being put on inventory turn. So inventory open to buy dollars have been constructed. Whatever they’re planning be it flat sales or slightly negative comps sales, the buy plan is even lower than that. So I think that bodes well for gross margin as we go through the first quarter and into the second quarter of this year. And I think even the way they projected to buy third and fourth quarter has been very tight as well given the trends that are in the business. I think competitively you've heard a number of our key partners talked about the strength of our business in their stores, in their channel of distribution, particularly the Tommy Hilfiger business across the board, Terry have spoken a number of times and Jeff about the strength of the Tommy Hilfiger business at Macy's that's our key account in North America. So we're clearly getting square footage, we're gaining market share in numerous categories as we go forward. So I think competitively our business is much healthier than most of our…

Erinn Murphy

Analyst · Piper Jaffray.

Perfect, that's encouraging. And then just maybe philosophically, could you just talk about how you're thinking about acquisitions going forward. I mean should we be anticipating the priorities to be more out that came with the tuck-in acquisition that you did with True&Co. whether it's adding an expertise or you still thinking kind of over the next 18 to 24 months about rolling up some of the global licenses or could there be a transformation acquisition kind of thought process that still kind of in your mindset. Would love to just hear how you're thinking about that?

Manny Chirico

Management

I guess, as a backdrop given the strength both in Calvin and Tommy I think that's where the focus will continue to be. I think there is continues to be some licensing buybacks that we'd be excited to make some of that always has to be done depends on the timing. Some of it with the timing of our licensees, but I think that's what you will in the short-term in the next six to nine months that's what you’ll probably see more off from us as we go forward. The True acquisition, there are some product categories where we have market leadership and when you think about intimates, men's underwear, the dress furnishings areas, those are areas from a classification point of view that are very profitable businesses. And if there are opportunities from a digital point of view where we can make investments, gain expertise because it’s very expensive and challenging to go out and get the talent that’s necessary. Sometimes it’s easier and more efficient to buy that talent like we did with the True acquisition. I think in those areas you will also see us continuing to make those investments as we go forward, which will be strategic for the businesses, the brands and our businesses as we going forward. So, I think that will be the focal point. And then finally the backdrop on the tax situation, be it the deductibility of interest in a number of things, we have very strong balance sheet. But it’s hard for a management group to sit back and really try to plan for any major acquisition given the uncertainty around capital structure and what the tax position is going to be here in United States. So, that does give us a little bit of pause we’re hoping over the next three to six months that that whole situation will become more clear and hopefully we’ll be able to have more clarity in our decisions going forward.

Erinn Murphy

Analyst · Piper Jaffray.

Got it. Thank you guys and congratulations.

Mike Shaffer

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And we’ll take our next question from Michael Binetti with UBS. Please go ahead.

Michael Binetti

Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead.

Hey guys good morning. Congrats on a great quarter. Two topics I wanted to touch on, first would be the gross margin. So, can I just get a little clarity, it sound if I add all your comments together like you’re guiding grosses this year to look roughly similar to the same level of year-over-year expansion they you saw last year is that a fair assumption?

Mike Shaffer

Management

On a reported basis that would be correct, Mike.

Michael Binetti

Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead.

Okay. And as I look at that, so in the fourth quarter looks like you had about 320 basis points and then about 400 excluding currency though that's obviously a huge number. And I think most of that would come from the mix shift on the underlying business. And if I just look at the path that you have laid out for the year, it sounds like you’re planning North America very conservatively, the international order books are accelerating and then I’d assume on our currency model that FX headwinds be diminishing through the year. So I’m trying to figure out if there is an opportunity for the gross margins to start to accelerate as we move through the year just based on some of the moving parts there?

Mike Shaffer

Management

So, Michael look from our perspective, there is two things going on, you’re absolutely right mix is a piece of it. Our international businesses have higher gross margins, also higher operating expense, but they are growing at a faster rate, so you are absolutely right. But when you outperform your models and when you outperform your business you do have higher gross margins you don’t take the markdowns you plan good move out higher AURs. So, at this point the models -- the margin guidance reflects on models, outperformance would diffidently lead to some opportunity for upside.

Michael Binetti

Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead.

Okay.

Manny Chirico

Management

Yes, I think Michael when we look at the business and where we see the opportunity there is always some sales opportunity. But we do see in the business models that we layout that the opportunity really as a gross margin expansion and then leveraging the SG&A on top of that. So, I think that's how we are thinking about it. Particularly in North America where I think chasing sales by buying more inventory upfront is a [indiscernible] right now. I think there is this opportunity if we outperforms at retail that it really will show itself on the gross margin line.

Michael Binetti

Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead.

Okay. And then, I guess the second topic would be some of the comments on the new Li & Fung deal in the press release. Do you mind just give us a little color on that what it is, how different it is and what do you see as the benefits for you?

Mike Shaffer

Management

I think is Li & Fung has been a great partner for us. Strategically we’re changing the relationship from a buying commission basis to a strategic partnership putting the business together. We believe they can bring to us some real value added services from a speed, efficiency modal. And I think they are looking at their business models and as it changes. It does a couple of things for us long-term not in the short-term, long-term it gives us the opportunity to reduce some of our buying commissions as we go forward as we are taking more direct control of the business jointly. And then secondarily it’s really from a speed point of view the initiatives -- the ability for us to really take advantage of speed to market quicker reaction time from that point of view it’s all very positive. So again I think that changing relationship will be both -- will be good for both companies.

Michael Binetti

Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead.

Got it. If I could sneak one more in there, I just wanted to see if there, do you see any other opportunity as you look across your owned businesses today where you are at maybe the cross roads of low profitability on something that you operate today, but an obvious operator out there like G3 on the women’s business side that could potentially be another licensing opportunity for you, as you look through 2017. Thanks.

Manny Chirico

Management

Mike, I just want to make sure, I understand the question. To take businesses that are operating in-house and potentially licensing out.

Michael Binetti

Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead.

Yes.

Manny Chirico

Management

I think that the women’s issue there was the big one particularly with Tommy, G3 is a great partner with amazing operating expertise in the women’s side of the business. I think that opportunity is significant for them to really take the Tommy business and grow it in a similar way the way they have grown our Calvin Klein business. So -- but as I look at the other categories, no I don’t see big opportunities to take businesses out and outsource them at this point in time and that was the big opportunity.

Michael Binetti

Analyst · UBS. Please go ahead.

Thanks a lot guys.

Operator

Operator

And moving on, we’ll take our next question from John Kernan with Cowen. Please go ahead.

John Kernan

Analyst · Cowen. Please go ahead.

Good morning everyone, congrats.

Manny Chirico

Management

Good morning.

John Kernan

Analyst · Cowen. Please go ahead.

Manny you talked a lot about China, can you help us size the Tommy Hilfiger and Calvin China businesses right now? In terms of where they are from a sales standpoint and where they are from a profitability standpoint, relative to the rest of your international businesses?

Manny Chirico

Management

Well, I guess look I don’t want to -- we give a lot of breakout of the businesses and the brands, and I don’t want to micro it down to it. I guess to give you a sense of scale, the Calvin business is three times the size of the Tommy business in China. And as we look at those two businesses, we believe we can double the size of both businesses in China over the next five years. And the China business model for us is our highest operating income business as a percentage of sales. So the more growth there net of some of the investments we have to make to scale up, but as we look at the business scaling up over the next three years we see the profitability in that business continuing to grow.

John Kernan

Analyst · Cowen. Please go ahead.

Okay. So shifting gears a bit, Mike I think you talked about Tommy Hilfiger operating margin up 75 basis points for the year, Calvin down 30 to 40, can you talk about what’s pushing Tommy margins higher for the year? And then I think it’s mostly investments that’s bringing Calvin down, but can you just give us a little bit more detail on those two line items?

Mike Shaffer

Management

Yes, look I think it’s two fold, one is the revenue increase on the Tommy side, as a driver. The gross margins is clearly the biggest component that’s we are seeing improvement and expansion in gross margin, both businesses, but Tommy very healthy. And then lastly as you said, the investments in Calvin Klein for the first three quarters are going to be a little bit of a drag.

Manny Chirico

Management

So I think Mike you laid it out just right, I think the big driver of the Tommy expansion is the international businesses significantly more profitable as a percentage of sales and the North America business. As that growth accelerates and we’re planning our U.S business relatively flat that will drive profitability. The other piece I guess just to add-on is obviously the royalty income from G3 where we’re taking about $100 million annual basis in women’s that was marginally profitable and replacing that limit adding $100 million in sales and replacing that with the normal royalty rate for that business that just also enhances the overall profitability of this segment.

John Kernan

Analyst · Cowen. Please go ahead.

And then just one more housekeeping question, the business obviously spinning off a lot of free cash flow, can you just Mike give us what your CapEx number is for the year and where you expect free cash flow to shake out this year?

Mike Shaffer

Management

So we haven't guided towards free cash flow but last year's free cash flow was about $700 million. And when you think about CapEx this year I guess we've got about $400 million of CapEx, but the way to think about that as we've shifted about $65 million to $70 million from '16 into '17 just projects that didn't get paid and didn't get done in '16 moved into '17. And then two other call outs in terms of an increase in CapEx one is we are moving our Tommy offices in New York new facility there is some significant CapEx there. And two as we are making some nice investments on the digital side of the business. When you add that all up it comes out to about $400 million. Just to remind you $250 million in debt pay down and then we talked about stock buyback between $200 million to $230 million.

John Kernan

Analyst · Cowen. Please go ahead.

Got it, thanks everybody.

Operator

Operator

And moving on, we'll take our next question from Ike Boruchow with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Ike Boruchow

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Hi good morning everyone and congrats on a really nice quarter. I guess just to go back to David's question on Calvin International. Manny is it possible to update us just on the current size and maybe profitability of Calvin Klein Europe today and maybe where you think the opportunity is from here?

Manny Chirico

Management

Yes I think everybody has got a sense that the Tommy business is a $2 billion business and I called out the Calvin was about 30% of that that gives you a pretty -- if you could do the math that will give you a pretty good idea of how big the Calvin business is and the opportunity for growth that we see there.

Ike Boruchow

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

And on the margins relative to Tommy in Europe?

Manny Chirico

Management

The margins are healthy they're close to 10% and they're probably 300 to 400 basis points lower than Tommy just given sale of the business. And we would expect that overtime that they would equate to the Tommy business.

Ike Boruchow

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Great, thanks. And then just a follow-up, in the U.S. I think you have about 200 to 250 retail stores in North America for both Calvin and Tommy. Has anything you've seen over the past 12 or 18 months led you to think about your store strategy? Just curious if there are certain locations that maybe are no longer hitting your hurdle rates or maybe don't make sense as leases come up over the next year or so?

Manny Chirico

Management

Sure look. I guess the nice thing about our retail portfolio with the exception of a few flagship stores is it's what I would describe is a very liquid portfolio meaning that renewals come up every some two years some three to four years. In the A centers we have much longer leases and those you wouldn’t be looking to get out of. So I guess a couple of things that we are looking at is we've had what I would call some real megastores in some key centers that are highly profitable and continue to be highly profitable. But the general square footage and the footprint as we go forward for stores we're opening in general across the globe not just in North America using digital technology. The stores can be smaller and more efficient from that point of view. So we're looking at the footprints, we're looking as we open new stores and as leases come due does it make sense to downsize some of the portfolio the store size as we go forward. With the exceptions of some of our flagship stores, which are really marketing drivers not business drivers, we don't have stores that are four wall lawsuits particularly specifically in Calvin and Tommy. So we don't have that burden that we really need to deal with, our retail stores and our store contributions are very, very healthy. They’ve' been challenged given the -- what's happened with the strength of the dollar and some of the international tourism, but even after that these stores are wildly profitable for us. So it's -- we monitor them we stay on top of it. We have great flexibility there and I think if you're modeling that business moving forward, I think I wouldn't be planning it for a significant growth over the next two years.

Ike Boruchow

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And moving on, we'll take our next question from Kate McShane with Citi.

Kate McShane

Analyst · Citi.

Hi, thank you for taking my question. Just curious just with the strength in Europe, I know a lot is being driven by your initiative behind both brands. But I wondered if you could maybe walk us through just the wholesale environment in Europe particularly in some of the bigger countries that you’re in? Just what you are seeing from a traffic standpoint at those locations and what you see going forward?

Manny Chirico

Management

I think you know brick and mortar in general is under pressure, but I think one of the benefits that exist in Europe and in Asia even to a greater extent is the level of retail square footage on a per capita basis is just significantly lower, 50% lower than it is in the United States. So I think some of the challenges with -- the challenges that we’re facing in brick and mortar in the United States has to do with there is too many stores. I don’t believe that issue to the level that it exist in the United States exist in Europe and in Asia. So that’s point one, point two is the retail landscape particularly on the department store side and specialty multi-brand stores, it’s just much more fragmented than in the United States, the United States has gone through a tremendous consolidation in the department store sector where Europe have had minimal consolidation. There is no Pan European department store, it’s really regional department stores most times country specific, but sometimes regionally specific. So from that perspective it’s our top 20 retailers in Europe represent about 30% of the business, our top 10 retailers in the United States represent 90% of the business just to give you a frame of reference. So I think that’s the dynamic that changes, I think traffic trends are healthier obviously there. I think the currency situation particularly in the UK is very favorable and they are benefiting from a significant amount of European tourism into the UK as well as Asia and U.S. tourism into the UK. And I can say the same thing about Continental Europe where we are seeing from the credit card data that we look at every month that particularly Chinese stores given the euro’s lack of strength is also a place that there is a lot of tourism going on and a lot of shopping going on, so really benefiting from that. I also think, when you look at it we are clearly outperforming our peer set, we are gaining market share in department stores, we are gaining square footage growth in department stores. And as much as I think a number of competitors have talked about that their European businesses are healthy I don’t think anybody is putting up the kind of wholesale order book increases that Calvin and Tommy are. Operator, we’d like to take one last question, so we can get back to work.

Operator

Operator

Certainly. And we’ll take our last question from Jay Sole with Morgan Stanley.

Jay Sole

Analyst

Great, thanks so much. Just want to follow-up on the last point you are talking about. Obviously consumers are migrating outline and it’s causing a shift in where people buy, but is there some aspect of the channel shift that’s causing overall industry growth rates to slow? In other words has it changed consumer behavior in some way?

Mike Shaffer

Management

That is a really broad question and I don’t think it’s really been answered yet. Just trying to understand all that and one thing you are concerned as a retail or wholesale the one thing that I do get concerned about is that there has always been a significant amount of impulse shopping that the consumer does when they are in-store and in the hot zone where they purchase. And if traffic is down I am not sure the impulse nature of online is as significant as it is in a brick and mortar store where you are able to romance the consumer more. So I think that is a challenge, I think some of it has to do with -- we need to be better and by we, I mean us and our partners need to be better about making the online shopping experience not only efficient and effective, but we also -- we are in the fashion industry and we need to romance that consumer much more than we do today. I think some players do it well and some players don’t do it all it’s just, it’s like buying a bar or soap. So we really need to make that experience much better.

Jay Sole

Analyst

Got it. And then if I can ask one more on CapEx, is there a piece of the CapEx number for this year that’s carved out for stores is it possible to give us the detail on that?

Manny Chirico

Management

No, but there is no general change, I’d say that the usual remodeling and rehab nothing out of the ordinary at all this year.

Jay Sole

Analyst

Okay, thank you so much.

Mike Shaffer

Management

Well thank you everyone. Thank you for joining us for the call, thank you for your support and we will speak to you in May. Take care, bye-bye.

Operator

Operator

Once again, that does conclude today’s conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.