Christopher Calhoun
Management
'08. So this is a fairly new patent portfolio, as you have got a long runway. So you're looking at pharma companies that are really struggling with patents that are expiring and technology that's going generic, I think there's a tremendous opportunity to see not only an emerging new segment in medicine, a new field, but one that has the kind of almost across-the-board protection that we think we've got, and a long runway for that IP. So now try to framing some deals around there, I think that thing, if you look at our history, we've executed partnerships. We had early, on a pretty big partnership, with Medtronic, we've had one with Olympus, we've had one with GE, Green Hospital, Senko, so it's not, we have created multiple partnerships over the years, but what we've done intentionally, and probably at some time to our almost to our own demise, was to protect our market rights, and we wanted to do that, to get the ball down the field until the value kind of caught up with what we think of as these different market opportunities. And we're getting closer to that. I mean, every day we have clarity on the regulatory pathway, more published data out there, and more clinical experience, I think that the validation of the technology and the business model in what we're doing goes up. So I agree, there is a mismatch in valuation, so it's probably a strong buy right now, there's an opportunity. But from a partnership point of view, I think that we want to focus partners on to particular indications and that could be geographically limited as well, so you might do a partnership just for America or just for Europe or just for Asia, for specific and probably not just an indication but more for field because you've got this device. We think of partnerships and typically in certain categories, where it might be an operating boost room-based partnership or a cardio cath lab-based partnership, because having multiple parties selling into that same environment's going to be challenging. So we kind of think of things more in that bucket. So with all the list of partnerships that we're working on, even given what I just said, most of them are not mutually exclusive. So in a perfect world, we could probably deliver most of those partnerships in terms of what people are looking at, in terms of scope, indication and geography. So I think we've got a lot of different opportunities that we're pushing along here that, for the most part, don't overlap. A little bit they do, but for the most part they really don't. So the ideal partnership at this stage for us comes within 3 fronts. One front is core and or things that are on the market. And that's kind of more of a commercialization partnership and that would be around some of the approved products, approved technologies, soft tissue type applications in Europe and America, and that is more to help stimulate market access and drive the commercial platform. The second is for kind of deep in the pipeline core applications and this is probably vascular, cardiovascular, wound, those kinds of things, well we have good clinical data even some completed trials now moving into later stage trials, and this would be more of a, kind of late stage development and then commercialization type trial, and that will be upfront money and then some milestones and then a commercialization structure. And then the third possible partnership is kind of around the stuff that's earlier, and as a platform, we've only been able to focus on a few things because each one of these takes a significant amount of resources and you really just can't do everything. So we've kind of selected a couple of things that we thought were the right things to go after, and we've been focusing on those. But this technology as a platform can really apply to a lot of things. So you could see a partnership that's a little earlier, that's more developmental in nature that ultimately turns into commercialization partnership. And this is an example of what we put together with Astellas, and so they took an option on a market that was early, it's liver, this is in the public domain, and I think that would be an earlier partnership that could move into an earlier clinical trial and then a later clinical trial and then ultimately a commercialization partnership. So there's probably a lot of those kind of partnership potentials out there. Some of which are now supported by the translational work that's going on around the world, so there may be even some level of clinical data out there that could support, and an indication it's outside what we typically think of as Cytori core indications right now. So I don't know if that helps kind of clarify things, but there's a lot of ways to partner the technology, we try to protect the value, to move it downstream. We think there's now a lot of clarity around our regulatory, our patents, the markets and the clinical data in the indications and the mechanisms and all of the signs, all of that stuff's really coming together that this is now very partnerable technology.