Michael Eliasek
Analyst · Wells Fargo
Sure. Thank you for your questions, Finian. On the second one on potentially exiting Tower, we have no such plans, as John mentioned. Recall that we have substantial tax advantages as a regulated investment company under subchapter M, paying no income taxes as a business development company. And the income generated by First Tower is quite favorable, good income under our tax regime. So we're able to hold First Tower as a tax partnership rather than a C-corporation, thereby avoiding an extra level of taxation. Any prospective buyer of Tower given its scale, would quite likely either be a C-corp or have potential future plans to maybe IPO the business to become -- and that would require a C-corp under the tax law, which would immediately create significantly tax drag. So that's a way of saying that we are the logical lowest cost of capital, most tax-efficient owner of that business. On top of it, it's a very yieldy strategy that we like in our business. Whenever we open up a new branch, it has an expected IRR typically of well over 30%. It's attractive income type of business with low-cost third-party ABL financing that's going lower, still enhancing the yield as SOFR continues to drop, also part of the forward curve. The business is also firing on all cylinders with in recent periods, record low on a multi-decade basis, delinquencies, record low on a multi-decade basis charge-offs. The company has optimized its strategy, not overexpanding, but expanding prudently and thoughtfully into new states and new offices within existing and new states, Florida and Tennessee, for example, are significant opportunities for expansion on top of Texas, which has been a more recent area for expansion. So the business is doing well, and again, we have no plans to rotate out of it. In terms of your first question from a tax refund standpoint, yes, the dynamic of consumers borrowing money for holiday spending in the December quarter and then repaying some of those borrowings in the first half of the following calendar year based on tax refunds is not a new phenomenon at all. That's been the case for decades, creates a little bit of seasonality, which is fine and not problematic. I hadn't heard that tax refunds would necessarily be abnormally large or cause any distortions to Tower's business in any way. And of course, there are multiple drivers of consumer demand, not just holiday spending, but other aspects as well, including what's going on in the bank and nonbank borrower and lender markets. There's a very high barrier to entry in the nonbank installment finance business. There's not a whole lot of new lending going on to new entrants. There's a fairly well-defined existing group of banks that are lenders to that business and don't tend to, from our observation, be that desirous of expanding into new entrants, but rather sticking with incumbents creating a benefit to being already in that business with an established bank group and a history in the case of Tower that spans over 40 years. So we see strong demand. We also see a phenomenon in which Tower and other companies have determined this over time, Tower is not alone in this and some of our other companies have also optimized on this basis. The best indicator you have of consumer credit is your existing customers and your existing credit experience with those customers. So as they demonstrate a strong history over time of repayment and delevering, providing additional financing to those solid credit customers in the form of larger loans becomes a very smart way to enhance profitability, not the only way, but a meaningful driver to avoid potential charge-offs or reduce that risk for new borrowers for which one does not necessarily have a prior credit experience. So hopefully, that's a little bit of context on First Tower, which we first invested in 2012, 2013 time frame. So we're going on 12, 13, 14 years roughly of a history with that management team, which is outstanding, which is very well aligned with us, has made additional growth investments in the business right alongside us, and we couldn't be more pleased with how that business and team is performing.