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Provident Financial Holdings, Inc. (PROV)

Q4 2019 Earnings Call· Sun, Aug 4, 2019

$17.20

+0.35%

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to the fourth quarter earnings call. [Operator Instructions] And as a reminder, today's conference call is being recorded.I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Craig Blunden. Please go ahead.

Craig Blunden

Analyst

Thank you, Cynthia. Good morning, everyone. This is Craig Blunden, Chairman and CEO of Provident Financial Holdings. And on the call with me is Donavon Ternes, our President, Chief Operating and Chief Financial Officer.Before we begin, I have a brief administrative item to address. Our presentation today discusses the company's business outlook and will include forward-looking statements. Those statements include descriptions of management's plans, objectives or goals for future operations, products or services, forecast of financial or other performance measures and statements about the company's general outlook for economic and business conditions.We also may make forward-looking statements during the question-and-answer period following management's presentation. These forward-looking statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties, and actual results may differ materially from those discussed today. Information on the risk factors that could cause actual results to differ from any forward-looking statement is available from the earnings release that was distributed yesterday, and the annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended June 30, 2018 and from the Form 10-Qs and other SEC filings that are subsequent to the Form 10-K. Forward-looking statements are effective only as of the date they are made, and the company assumes no obligation to update this information.To begin with, thank you for participating in our call, and I hope that each of you has had an opportunity to review our earnings release, which describes our fourth quarter results.Over the course of the fiscal year, our net interest margin has expanded, core deposits have been stable, credit quality has been strong, but our loan growth has been below our expectations as (inaudible) significant prepayments and our disciplined underwriting standards which have reduced loan origination opportunities.In the most recent quarter, we originated and purchased $51 million of loans held for investment, an increase from the…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]We do have a question from the line of Tim O'Brien from Sandler and O'Neill. Please go ahead.

TimothyO'Brien

Analyst · Tim O'Brien from Sandler and O'Neill. Please go ahead

Good morning, guys. First question. With the restructuring mostly completed, can you talk -- and also with the start of the new fiscal year for you, can you talk a little bit about strategic profitability goals for the year? Or maybe efficiency -- core efficiency goals for the New Year, what you'd like to try to get to?

DonavonTernes

Analyst · Tim O'Brien from Sandler and O'Neill. Please go ahead

Tim, you know we don't forecast any of our metrics. We would believe or we do believe that we'll be able to obviously reduce our efficiency ratio significantly from what we were running prior to getting out from under salable loan originations. And so we would look more like a traditional community bank, if you will, from the standpoint of those ratios. So we should see significant improvement there.The same thing is true with respect to profitability metrics. If you look at our investor presentation from the March 31 quarter, you'll see the component in there with respect to the losses that were occurring as a result of that salable mortgage loan origination and production. We would expect those losses obviously to be eliminated beginning in the July 1 quarter.Just to give you some color. When we look at our call report, in the call report, we described a number of FTE or full-time equivalent employees. At July -- or at December 31, we had 349 FTE. At March 31, we had 298 FTE. And at June 30, we had 187 FTE as a result of the actions we've taken. So we are beginning the September quarter or our Q1 quarter in fiscal '20 as a much more efficient company because balance sheet or the size of the balance sheet really hasn't changed significantly, although employment has.So because we don't provide guidance or provide a forecast with respect to our earnings and we can't give you specifics, although we did describe some of the nonrecurring or onetime costs associated with reducing employment. And in the June quarter, it was $1.2 million that we would expect not to be there in the September quarter.And additionally, the fact that we started the quarter with 298 FTE and we ended the quarter with 187 FTE, which suggests that there were also operating expenses in the fourth quarter that dropped into the adjusted number that will not be there in the September quarter. So that adjusted number is going to go down as well from an operating expense perspective.So there's still a lot of moving parts with respect to the actions that we've taken, and we really view the September quarter as our first clean quarter subsequent to those actions. And without forecasting or providing guidance, we think we'll be doing much better for obvious reasons than we (inaudible) up in the prior 4 quarters of fiscal '19.

TimothyO'Brien

Analyst · Tim O'Brien from Sandler and O'Neill. Please go ahead

Moving on, a lot of banks with the onset likelihood of a rate cut today, a lot of banks have been asked and talked about the profile of assets or earning assets or specifically loans that would immediately reset with a rate cut today. Do you happen to know that number? Can you give a sense of what the impact on your loan yield might be from this rate cut that is likely will occur today?

DonavonTernes

Analyst · Tim O'Brien from Sandler and O'Neill. Please go ahead

There are a couple of things for us specifically. First of all, I'll just point you to the March 31 10-Q, where we described a net interest income shock associated with a various -- or various rate shocks, instantaneous rate shocks of plus or minus 100, 200, 300 basis points. Let's focus on the minus 100 basis point shock at March 31. We forecast that the subsequent 4 quarters or the subsequent year after an instantaneous shock of minus 100 basis points would reduce our net interest income by approximately 5.86%.At June 30, we will also be publishing those numbers. And I'm not going to disclose them today per se because they'll be in our Form 10-K, but we were able to cut our exposure with respect to that negative 5.86% by about 38%, 39%, 40% in our modeling. So we believe we are in a better position at June 30 with respect to a potential downward move in interest rates than we were at March 31. However, we are still asset-sensitive, but less so than we were at March 31.And ultimately, as we go through the time line, because we described this as a minus 100 basis point shock on an instantaneous basis, we would obviously not expect a decline in net interest income by that amount because those declines will not occur instantaneously.There's one other complicating factor in our balance sheet with respect to this. So if you look at our balance sheet at June 30, you'll notice that we had 0 loans held for sale. And previously, we had loans held for sale. Those loans held for sale were essentially repricing into cash, if you will, within 30 to 45 days. Well, with 0 balance at June 30, we automatically extend the duration of our assets and take some of that interest-rate risk off the table in a downward scenario because of that.Secondarily, our cash position at June 30 is a little bit higher than we would like to see, generally speaking. And because that cash is earning effectively Fed funds rate, we have the ability to redeploy that cash into a portfolio of loan or loans which would yield a higher rate, and that actually creates a positive movement to our net interest margin to the extent we're redeploying that cash out of cash in the loans.So for our balance sheet, it's a little bit complicated because of the transition out of loans held for sale having a little bit more cash than we would like to see and being able to redeploy it. So if we're growing total assets subsequent to redeploying that cash, the belly of the curve, which is typically where we're getting our loans from, are at very low rates and we're funding on the short side. So like every other institution, that's essentially a decompression to net interest margin as growth occurs, but we have a little bit of time before that will occur in our balance sheet.

TimothyO'Brien

Analyst · Tim O'Brien from Sandler and O'Neill. Please go ahead

And that 38% to 40% potential adjustment that is going to be reflective in a sim for the calendar year second quarter. Does that take into account the reduction in held for sale loans? That factors that in, correct?

DonavonTernes

Analyst · Tim O'Brien from Sandler and O'Neill. Please go ahead

Yes. It not only factors that in, our model has all of the repricing characteristics of our loan portfolios. So as they adjust and as we are modeling or forecasting those numbers, all of our balance sheet, both on the asset side and the liability side, is repricing against that forecasted interest rates.

TimothyO'Brien

Analyst · Tim O'Brien from Sandler and O'Neill. Please go ahead

And by the same token, could you shed a little light on the near-term repricing characteristics in the deposit base, perhaps for the third quarter -- calendar year third quarter? Something that -- do you have a sense of other deposits -- do you have term deposits that are maturing in the third quarter? And could you characterize what their weighted average rate is? And how much?

DonavonTernes

Analyst · Tim O'Brien from Sandler and O'Neill. Please go ahead

You can see those deposit balances in the Investor presentation. And the interesting thing about what we've done during the course of rising interest rates, our deposit costs have not gone up. There's -- we've had no deposit beta or increasing deposit costs as a result of the rise in interest rates over the past couple of years. As a result of that, we also won't have any declining deposit costs probably as the Fed embarks on a (inaudible) path, if that's what they choose to do.The one exception to that is with respect to our retail CDs. So you'll see a balance in the investor presentation of retail CDs. We've been successful in repricing those very similarly to what their current costs are, but you will also note that those balances have been declining. And to the extent we grow balance sheet, we will have to become more aggressive in retail CD deposit pricing to make certain we not only lose deposits in that category, we also grow deposits in that category.So from the deposit side, we could actually experience a little bit more pressure than others even though the Fed is bringing down interest rates because we've had no upward movement in the cost of our deposits while the Fed was increasing interest rates.

TimothyO'Brien

Analyst · Tim O'Brien from Sandler and O'Neill. Please go ahead

That's helpful to note. I appreciate that color. Just getting back to the FTE reduction in the quarter, could you remind us -- 298 to 187. That 111 FTE reduction, when did the bulk of the -- of that take place in the quarter?

DonavonTernes

Analyst · Tim O'Brien from Sandler and O'Neill. Please go ahead

It was probably toward the middle of the quarter. So I wouldn't argue or describe it as the -- like the first month of the quarter. I would describe it more as the second month of the quarter.

TimothyO'Brien

Analyst · Tim O'Brien from Sandler and O'Neill. Please go ahead

And the $5.396 million comp line, expense line, that captures the restructuring comp cost of a couple of hundred thousand, but also the continued regular employment of that 111 through half the quarter essentially, correct?

DonavonTernes

Analyst · Tim O'Brien from Sandler and O'Neill. Please go ahead

Yes, it does. Although it additionally includes incentive comp with respect to loan origination commissions. And because commissions expense went down dramatically in the quarter as a result of fewer salable loan originations, the $5.396 million and then the $5.196 million, if you adjust out the $200,000 we described as onetime, that $5.196 million is not as impacted by those 111 FTE as you would think because many of those 111 FTE were commission-based employees and really not being compensated per se during much of that quarter because volume was so much lower.

TimothyO'Brien

Analyst · Tim O'Brien from Sandler and O'Neill. Please go ahead

How much of that staff was compensated on a -- primarily -- they all received base, right?

DonavonTernes

Analyst · Tim O'Brien from Sandler and O'Neill. Please go ahead

Not our retail originators, but there were employees who were straight commission.

Operator

Operator

At this time -- we do have another question from Tim O'Brien from Sandler and O'Neill.

TimothyO'Brien

Analyst · Sandler and O'Neill

So since I've got you, I guess I'll ask you another question or 2. Do you have a sense of what your go forward run rate tax rate, effective tax rate might end up being, Donavon?

DonavonTernes

Analyst · Sandler and O'Neill

Yes. We use the statutory tax rate of 29.56%. There's always discrete items that come in there, but that's the 21% plus the franchise tax with California on a blended basis. So 29.56%.

TimothyO'Brien

Analyst · Sandler and O'Neill

Great. And then of the $51 million in originations and purchases this quarter, do you happen to know what -- were there loans purchased this quarter? Was that predominantly in-house originations?

DonavonTernes

Analyst · Sandler and O'Neill

Approximately $25 million of that was purchased, and it was single-family that was purchased, and it was purchased and settled primarily in June.

TimothyO'Brien

Analyst · Sandler and O'Neill

Okay. And then as far as in-house originators, bankers, do you have a headcount there for the community bank where you're starting? And do you anticipate -- do you have plans to grow or build that out beyond -- you described -- you're fully staffed as far as single-family in-house production needs are concerned, right?

DonavonTernes

Analyst · Sandler and O'Neill

The way -- first of all, we don't describe those numbers per se for competitive reasons. But I would not also say -- or I would not suggest that we are fully staffed on an origination basis from a single-family perspective, and this is the reason.While we essentially moved out primarily of the retail channel, we still have some retail distribution occurring, but at a far smaller amount. So our primary channels now, with respect to origination and single-family, is purchase and wholesale. But secondarily, we are exploring correspondent again as a distribution channel. We've been in and out of correspondent channel historically through all of our single-family days, and that may become a new channel. And if that does become a new channel, there could be some new hires associated with that channel.And then our purchase activity, it is an interesting area that is a little bit easier to focus on now from a single-family perspective because it's going into portfolio rather than bifurcated between portfolio and salable. And I could envision a staff member there perhaps coming in to be able to deal in the secondary market and source these packages and work with what used to be our investors that now become loan sellers where we become the investor.

TimothyO'Brien

Analyst · Sandler and O'Neill

And then one last question. Other fee income was a little bit elevated this quarter. I mean just looking at trailing, can you break that down? Was there anything atypical in that, that we might not see going forward?

DonavonTernes

Analyst · Sandler and O'Neill

No. I think if you look at the slide that has other fees on it, it's Slide 4 in the lower left of our investor presentation, it looks like we average $1.3 million to $1.6 million per quarter, and I think that's a good run rate.End of Q&A

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions in the question queue.

Craig Blunden

Analyst

All right. Well, if there are no further questions, we'd like to thank everyone for joining us on the call today, and we look forward to speaking with you all again next quarter. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude your conference for today. Thank you for your participation and for using AT&T Executive Teleconference Services. You may now disconnect.