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Primoris Services Corporation (PRIM)

Q1 2019 Earnings Call· Sat, May 11, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Greetings. Welcome to the Primoris Services Corporation reports 2019 First Quarter Financial Results Conference Call. All this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator instructions] Please note, this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Kate Tholking, Vice President, Investor Relations. Ms. Tholking, you may begin.

Kate Tholking

Analyst

Thank you, Jeremy. Hello, good morning, everyone, thank you for joining us today. Our speakers for the day will be David King, our Executive Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Tom McCormick, President; and Ken Dodgen, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. In addition to this morning's press release, we have also posted slides on our website that highlight key points we plan to discuss on this call. You can access them by going to our corporate website, www.prim.com, then selecting investors. Once on the investors site, you'll find the slides in the events and presentations section, next to the webcast link for today's call. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that statements made during today's call may contain certain forward-looking statements including with regards to the company's future performance. Words such as estimates, believes, expects, projects, may and future or similar expressions are intended to identify forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements inherently involve risks and uncertainties, including, without limitation, those discussed in this morning's press release and those detailed in the Risk Factors section and other portions in our annual report on Form 10-K for the period ending December 31, 2018, and other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Primoris does not undertake any obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise, except as may be required under applicable securities laws. I'd now like to turn the call over to our Executive Chairman and CEO, David King.

David King

Analyst

Thanks, Kate. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today to review our 2019 first-quarter results. We're pleased to continue Primoris' unbroken streak of positive quarterly earnings. Given our usual first quarter seasonality and the unusually extreme weather faced by many of our business units, our first-quarter results demonstrate the benefits of our diverse business model. We ended the quarter with the largest backlog in Primoris' history $2.94 billion, while also achieving a record Q1 revenue of over $660 million. It's worth mentioning that our backlog growth came from both our fixed and MSA backlog increasing 6.5% over our year-end backlog. We've been talking for some time now about the funnel of opportunities we see in markets that traditionally go into our fixed backlog and we're pleased to see some of these projects moving forward. We also continue to focus on the cost side of the business, looking to keep our SG&A at a reasonable level and I'm extremely pleased with our success on that front as our trailing 12 month SG&A as a percentage of revenues is now the lowest it's been in seven years. At the end of the day, our first-quarter results exceeded our expectations both on revenue and earnings and that is thanks to our successful sales, quality execution and disciplined cost management. Before we get into our segment results, I want to address the change in board structure announced in this morning's press release. On Friday, last week, Brian Pratt stepped down as chairman of the board and I became the executive chairman of the board. Brian remains a director and a valued contributor to the Board and I thank him for his leadership and dedication to Primoris. At Friday's Annual Shareholder Meeting, we also elected Carla Mashinski to her first full term. I…

Ken Dodgen

Analyst

Thank you, David, and good morning, everyone. I'll review our first-quarter results, our balance sheet and cash flows and our 2019 guidance before we move on to your questions. Our 2019 first-quarter revenue was over $661 million compared to $504 million in the first quarter of 2018, an increase of 31%. The electric T&D segment which accounted for $118 million and the pipeline segment which accounted for $77 million were the main contributors to this increase. These increases were partially offset by lower revenue in our power segment as we closed out the Carlsbad power project and the utility segment due to weather. Our largest customers in the first quarter were a large utility that accounted for 9% of our revenue and a large pipeline operator that accounted for 6.3% of revenue. Our gross profit for the first quarter was $52 million compared to $44 million in the prior year, an improvement of $8 million or 18%, which was directly attributable to our revenue growth in the quarter. Gross margin was 7.9% for the quarter compared to 8.8% in the prior year. This decline was due to strong performance in the Carlsbad power project in the prior year along with the weather and other challenges this year that David already discussed. I'll add that our first-quarter electric T&D margins of 5.6% are not out of line with our first-quarter expectations. And we expect the full year to be significantly improved similar to the seasonal progression we see in our utility segment. SG&A expenses were almost $43 million for the quarter, which was an increase of $6 million or 16%. However, SG&A expenses were only 6.5% of revenue this quarter when compared to 7.3% of revenue in the first quarter of 2018 as we continued to reduce cost in certain areas…

Operator

Operator

At this time we will be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Tahira Afzal from KeyBanc. Please proceed with your question.

Tahira Afzal

Analyst

Hi, team.

David King

Analyst

Good morning, Tahira.

Ken Dodgen

Analyst

Good morning, Tahira.

Tahira Afzal

Analyst

Good morning. So I guess as the first question, would love to get a sense of how you see the margins picking up progressively through the year? You know, you said they're back and loaded. Does back and loaded mean really third and fourth quarter? Or do we start to see some signs of light even into the second quarter? And then really adding to that, you had mentioned in your prepared commentary and also in the release, really, that there were two utility clients that were little behind in terms of the spending levels. Is that all work - is that all weather-related in California? Or should we be worried about be it GNE or someone else, really getting distracted at this point from spending?

Ken Dodgen

Analyst

Tahira, I'll start with the margins. Yeah, we expect margins to trend up into Q2 and Q3 the same way revenue does, it's not unlike how you saw our business last year. So 7.9% for the quarter is probably our low point for the year. And so it would be kind of a hyperbolic curve as we move through the balance of the year with margins trending back up in aggregate across the company toward that 10% to 11% range that we normally try to operate in for a full-year basis.

Tahira Afzal

Analyst

Got it. Okay. And then second question, just on all the bookings commentary, David, would you say you're a little more excited than the fourth quarter or you just holding Temple? And I think there were some signs of maybe petchem bookings coming in the second quarter, but it seems now you're suggesting both that and LNG as more sort of a second half story?

David King

Analyst

Yeah, Tahira, let me address some of it and then I'll ask Tom McCormick to address some of the opportunities we're seeing. First of all, yes, I am more excited now than I was at the end of the fourth quarter because as I mentioned in my comments, we're beginning to see some of the smaller projects begin to break and obviously some of those projects move on through to FID and I'll certainly let Tom kind of tell you where we're at in the stage on some of them in a moment. So yes, I'm more excited about it. Your other question on the couple of utilities that we saw the spending a little bit slower. One of them is kind of distracted in California going through their process, although I will tell you even the post-petition work we're getting out of them is continuing to ramp up as we go forward throughout the year. That's why I think I said in my comments even though it's a little slower in the first quarter, I'd kind of expect it to pick up in the second, third and fourth. The other one was more of a weather-related issue that really some of the wet weather just caused us not to be able to ramp up as much on some of the utility spending and with that other customer. So one of them - both those I see as temporary things, but I am a little bit more excited. Tom, why don't you kind of give a little flavor or color around some of the opportunities?

Tom McCormick

Analyst

Sure, Dave. Tahira, as David mentioned, we’re, actually, we're very excited going forward. We're talking to a number of clients in a number of our different business units and segments about opportunities we have with additional prospects that we're discussing with clients now in our renewables, the solar facility. We're in negotiations with a client right now to an extension of an MSA agreement on a long-term extension for T&D. We have petchem opportunities and projects in the ranges that fit us perfectly in Louisiana and Texas. Both of our pipeline groups, Rockford and Primoris pipeline are in different stages of negotiations with clients on projects that they're shortlisted on or in discussions with which means that we're still very active in those projects. And if you look at the Midwest for Q3C, we're discussing a three-year extension on an existing MSA with a client. T&D is moving into some different areas in the Midwest, which is expanding their markets and then we have some opportunities in our ARB industrial group and our PIC, which is our non-union industrial group where they are talking to clients on projects. They're in the $20 million to $60 million range in their respective markets. So there's a lot of opportunities out there for our different business groups. It's a mixed bag. I&M has got a couple of large projects so they are in the running on and again, the pipeline groups are extremely active trying to replace work due to the ACP delays for Rockford, but Primoris pipeline picking up a bunch of work are in negotiations with opportunities to pick up a bunch of work. So, lot of opportunities out there across all the business units.

David King

Analyst

And Tahira, I'll add one more thing, kind of to add to what Tom was saying that what you asked Ken earlier about the margins. And I think we said this over the last couple of years, as that work begins to break, before without that work break in, there were a lot of competitors out there and obviously, margins are a little bit depressed. As some of that work begins to break and more of the manpower begins to get tied up, that margins will begin to creep up. So I do look for some of the margin going forward on some of that additional work, especially toward the latter half of the year actually to be even improved over margins we typically get.

Tahira Afzal

Analyst

Got it. Okay. Folks, thank you very much.

David King

Analyst

Thanks, Tahira.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Brent Thielman from D.A. Davidson. Please proceed with your question.

Brent Thielman

Analyst · your question.

Hi, thanks. Good morning.

David King

Analyst · your question.

Good morning, Brent.

Ken Dodgen

Analyst · your question.

Brent.

Brent Thielman

Analyst · your question.

Yeah, so I was hoping maybe you guys can give us a feel for how much of this large backlog in the power, industrial & engineering group would convert to revenue this year. I know there are a lot of moving pieces within it.

David King

Analyst · your question.

Yeah. I think we actually put that out in one of the press releases, Ken can find it very quickly for you. It's - I can't remember the exact number, but I want to say it was like 70% or something like that.

Ken Dodgen

Analyst · your question.

Brent, in which segment did you ask about, I'm sorry?

David King

Analyst · your question.

Power & industrial.

Brent Thielman

Analyst · your question.

Power & industrial.

Ken Dodgen

Analyst · your question.

Power & Industrial. Well in our Q, we reported that 86% in power will convert in the next four quarters.

Brent Thielman

Analyst · your question.

86%. Okay, great. And then on pipeline, it sounds like some good bookings potential become – there, I know you've announced a few awards. The stuff you're looking at, I guess, can you give - other than what you've announced, can you give us any better feel for size of some of the opportunities you're looking at out there?

David King

Analyst · your question.

Well, I can tell you it's both the small and the large. It's across the whole gambit, it's both on the Rockford side and the Primoris pipeline. And as you know, over the last few years, we've added additional size capabilities and spread capabilities to Primoris pipeline, so they're able to do both large and small diameter and we're actually seeing, actually working on some large diameter systems right now in Primoris pipeline and negotiating some others. And so, I guess, the best way to answer it is it's both on large and small and it's some throughout the United States with a lot of it focused in Texas, the Permian, but we're still seeing - and you obviously see the same kind of projects talked about of TransCanada and some of the other projects that are talked about. So there are a lot of opportunities still out there in the pipeline business with or without ACP going forward. But we actually do believe ACP, as we said, will go forward, but yes, we've got plenty of opportunities out there for the pipeline group.

Brent Thielman

Analyst · your question.

Okay, great. And then I guess, question more on the U&D and transmission businesses, I think a lot of it is focused within [ph] those segments, it's still more on the kind of distribution side. Can you talk about kind of your progress in ramping up more within the transmission, actual transmission piece within that?

David King

Analyst · your question.

Yes. Well, I'll let Tom kind of tell you from our standpoint on the transmission side. When we bought the T&D group, that T&D group, the old Chapman Engineers, they were known for their transmission business. And so we've really began to look at how we can ramp that up. You, know the transmission side of the business is not as quick to ramp up as the distribution side, so we felt like we get bigger bang for our buck by focusing on the distribution side first and then focusing on the transmission side. But Tom, do you want to add to what we're doing in that area?

Tom McCormick

Analyst · your question.

Yes. One thing we're doing is we're trying to fill - as we bought the T&D group last year from Willbros, they had a lot of gaps as you walked at the map of the East Coast and we're filling those gaps. So we're expanding into new markets. A lot of the employees that had left or were leaving when we bought Willbros have come back and we're recruiting additional employees and so we're growing in the markets. We have clients that have confidence in the company's financial stability now, so they're giving them work, that they wouldn't give them in the past. So it's helping them pick up work in new markets. And the same thing with the transmission side as well as clients are seeing the stability in the, well, the health for the company, they've opened up new opportunities for these groups. And as we grow that group now by adding people and adding equipment, we're able to expand into our existing markets and expand, fill the gaps, so to speak, geographically.

David King

Analyst · your question.

But also mention one thing about the transmission side that is different than the distribution side, the transmission side carries a different risk profile, a higher risk profile, so we're being very careful about how quick and how fast we build up that unit and take on more risk in that transmission side. So you're seeing us be very selective is what I was trying to indicate.

Brent Thielman

Analyst · your question.

Okay. And that was I mean, I guess, does that become more significant component into 2020, 2021?

David King

Analyst · your question.

Yes, definitely.

Brent Thielman

Analyst · your question.

Yes okay, great. Thank you.

David King

Analyst · your question.

Yes, sir. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Lee Jagoda from CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Lee Jagoda

Analyst · your question.

Hi, good morning.

David King

Analyst · your question.

Good morning, Lee.

Ken Dodgen

Analyst · your question.

Hi, Lee.

Lee Jagoda

Analyst · your question.

So, just starting on the power side, looks like the gross margins held up really well despite some lower revenue and the lack of a large power job. How sustainable are those margins? And what's the positive in the mix that are making them as good as they are?

Ken Dodgen

Analyst · your question.

Yes, Lee, so the margins in power, couple of different things there. Part of it is work mix, but part of it is also the Carlsbad power project and the closeout in the first quarter. So down a little bit compared to Q1 of last year, but still strong. And over the balance of the year, we're expecting those margins to remain fairly strong. Combination of mix of work and the opportunities that we're looking at right now should help us in that regard.

David King

Analyst · your question.

Yes. Lee, I'll add on some there on the going forward margin side of it. Two dynamics and you've heard us talk about them in the past but you know, when we kept mentioning for the last couple of years about that SB-54 in California, well that has driven a lot of the union activity work in the industrial side for T&D lease group out there. And so that has and will drive some good margins for us and then we've been talking about what will happen on the Gulf Coast as you begin to break loose on some of that work down there, we see a migration of the margins improving. That's why I'm indicating - I believe you'll see the margin improvement as we go out - go continuous throughout this year.

Lee Jagoda

Analyst · your question.

Okay. Great. And then just looking at SG&A, looks like you did a great job controlling it in Q1. How should we think about SG&A as a percent of sales for the full year in light of the significant revenue ramp over the next couple of quarters?

David King

Analyst · your question.

Well, I'll let Ken address - I want to say a global comment, then I'll let Ken kind of address it because everybody that works with me knows how much I focus on SG&A costs because I tend to think corporate works for the people in the field, people in the fields who make money, so the rest of us are just overhead. So my comment to them is, guys let's watch making sure that our SG&A costs don't creep up. So we've done a lot of things to keep it down and that, and I've always felt we could have a target range of that 6%. I remember I guess, it was a couple of years ago when somebody on the call ask us, you guys will never be able to get down in that 6.5% range and at that time, of course, Pete Moerbeek was here with us as well as Ken and I said don't say too much, but I think we'll get to that 6% range. And so for me, it's a target range of 6% if not lower. But Ken, do you want to mention anything?

Ken Dodgen

Analyst · your question.

Yes. So at 6.5%, it was a good quarter for us. We're going to continue to control costs. But in absolute dollars, you'll see them ramp up a little bit over the course of Q2, Q3 and Q4. But on a percentage basis, I would still expect to see them in that low to mid-6% range between 6% and 6.5% for the balance of the year.

Lee Jagoda

Analyst · your question.

Okay. That's very helpful. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Adam Thalhimer from Thompson, Davis. Please proceed with your question.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst

Hey, good morning. Congrats on a good Q1.

Ken Dodgen

Analyst

Hey, Adam.

David King

Analyst

Thanks, Adam.

Ken Dodgen

Analyst

Thanks, Adam.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst

Okay. First question, can you guys hit the low end of guidance if ACP doesn't start back up?

David King

Analyst

I'm sorry, did you say can we hit it?

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst

Can you hit the low end, $1.60.

David King

Analyst

Yeah, I'm not - that guidance, I - we gave you that guidance earlier and we reaffirmed it. Yes, I'm not - we told you on ACP, there's not much in our guidance on ACP. And the reason that I'm a little cautious or we're a little cautious about increasing our guidance at this time is because we're just now seeing some of those projects begin to break, they haven't broken yet. And so I think you're going to see or will get more visibility in the second quarter, obviously. I feel our ranges - I'm comfortable with where our range is at, right now, Adam, let me put it that way.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst

Great. And then just trying to get a sense for how you guys see EPS shaping up this year? Is the expectation that EPS is up year-over-year in Q2 and then kind of flattish in the back half?

David King

Analyst

No. I would - Ken, if you...

Ken Dodgen

Analyst

Yes. Yes, I think we're going to be flat to slightly up in Q2, would be my best guess right now. Q3 and Q4 will probably be about the same, flat to up year-over-year. And that's how we kind of graduate from the $1.50 of last year to $1.60 to $1.80 this year.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst

Okay. Got you. And then you guys have talked about this a few times already, but is the pipeline bidding, trying to get a sense for how the pricing is within that?

David King

Analyst

Up until probably the last, I'd say, six to nine months the bidding was robust, but the competition was still out there. As some of these projects are getting awarded, some of the crews and shreds are getting taken, so the competition will begin to do just like we will do. It will ease those margins up higher because of the availability of the crews and the equipment. So I guess, what I'll say right now is we're seeing that begin to ease a little bit.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst

So pricing is kind of beginning to get better?

David King

Analyst

Yes, yes.

Ken Dodgen

Analyst

Yes.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst

On the pipeline bidding. And then when you talked about, I think that was Texas that you said, David, good outlook for '19, '20 and even '21, is that Texas pipeline?

David King

Analyst

Yeah. What I was talking about there specifically was our Primoris Field Services Group, but I'll also talk about Primoris pipeline, but let me - what I said was relative to Jeff Bridges' group, our Primoris Field Services and if you remember when we acquired Sprint a number of years ago, Sprint pipeline, there were two parts of it and we renamed it Primoris pipeline and Primoris field services. And then we made another field services acquisition of Coastal Field Services approximately a year and a half year ago and combined those two and we have really been taken off in the field services area, which is more of the lateral lands and other station work and things around the pipelines not per se the cross-country pipeline at sale [ph]. And then Primoris pipeline have seen obviously their opportunities go up in West Texas, they are our open shop. But what we also did with Willbros pipeline, we added the ability to do large diameter pipeline as well as the small diameter. So we increased the breadth of their capabilities and things. So I would tell you, we actually see good opportunities for not only the field services well beyond but also Primoris pipeline over this next two to three years.

Adam Thalhimer

Analyst

Okay. Awesome. Thanks for the color.

David King

Analyst

Yes, sir.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Brent Thielman from D.A. Davidson. Please proceed with your question.

Brent Thielman

Analyst · your question.

Hi, thank you. I apologize if you addressed this, but on the civil business, I think you said one of the challenge projects was rolling off, I know you're still working through another one. Should that translate into a faster recovery in margins through the year? And then also I guess, any update on the claims processes with those?

David King

Analyst · your question.

Sure. I'll let Tom talk about in a moment, some of the - I'll kind of address some of the claims stuff real quick and I'll let Tom address some of the types of projects we're beginning to see with, I think, some margin improvement therein. We are seeing some activity, I think we even put in our comments that we did get some money coming in on that I-35 at least a couple of projects. We have finished basically four of the five jobs, the only one left for us to finish is Temple and it will roll off at midyear. So that will allow us to go ahead and put all of our claims in and process all of our claims. All indications are we will be okay on the claims, I'm not worried about any of that, it's just a matter of going through the claims process, the timing of it and things like that. Relative to the opportunities we're seeing out there in and on - for margin improvement. Tom?

Tom McCormick

Analyst · your question.

So relative to the performance and then the opportunities we see for margin improvement, we're being much more selective about the work that we're bidding. We're bidding in Louisiana and now in Texas. A number of design build projects, you have less competition, you can get higher margins on those. We won three of the four that we pursued in Louisiana, and those jobs are going well. So we expect to see some margin improvement over the course of the year. Of course, it's like turning an aircraft carrier, it takes some time, but it is turning. So we'll get this legacy projects behind us, get the claims behind us and the projects. Going forward, the performance is better than it has been in the past for sure and the margins are higher.

David King

Analyst · your question.

Yes. Brent, let me mention one other thing since you asked that question on the civil side. We've been tracking the infrastructure bill like a lot of contractors have and things and that's going to spur, of course, in Texas, Louisiana, we already knew from the hurricane relief funding and then Prop 7 from a number of years ago, we got plenty of opportunities out there. The infrastructure bill, the national infrastructure bill, there's a lot of civil work out of that that we can probably get some benefit. The infrastructure bill for us, I'm really watching more of the electrical grid side of the equation in our T&D group and then obviously any broadband that might pop its head up. I do concern, I do worry about where they're going to get the funding for the infrastructure bill, but I do think that's going to be a benefit to Primoris if that does get passed.

Brent Thielman

Analyst · your question.

Okay. Well, maybe and then I guess on that topic, you talked about strategic plan and some of the things that you're looking at. You mentioned fiber build-out telecom market might be something of interest. Care to expand on that and maybe what you're doing internally to work with that market?

David King

Analyst · your question.

Yes. I'll put it in very intentionally secretive terms because we don't really signal everybody on what we're doing from a strategic standpoint, but the reason we brought it up, we already do a small portion that customers ask us to do because it's a natural skill set that our T&D group has. We haven't really focused on trying to expand it or grow it, but now as I'm beginning to see or we're beginning to see that market continued to expand and customers wanting us to get into it more, it's obviously an area that came up in our strategic planning of what we should do in that area.

Brent Thielman

Analyst · your question.

Okay. One more if I could, sorry, right back on civil. Just given the fact that you've got some good work ramping up, I&M seems to be ramping up this year. Do you think you could exit the year at sort of a mid-single digit run rate, like you've been wanting to get back to?

David King

Analyst · your question.

I don't think we will by the end of the year, I think we're going to continue to hold it fairly flat. We made that decision a few years ago that you know, and I know you all probably are tired of me saying this comment, but it's like a big battleship that we needed to upright and get it headed in the right direction and we've got it uprighted and we've got it headed in the right direction, but before I really let the Toms and the Johns and the rest of the team start pouring the coal to that engine, I want to make sure that that sucker is headed in exactly the direction we want it to go. So we've got a tad bit more shoring up of some superintendent level and management levels. And I then I think once we do that, we'll have it pretty close by the end of the year. So, my comment is, I don't think you'll see it by the end of the year, but I think you'll begin to see us wrap it up the following year.

Brent Thielman

Analyst · your question.

Yes. Got it. Okay. Thank you for taking the questions.

David King

Analyst · your question.

Yes, sir.

Operator

Operator

We have reached the end of the question-and-answer session, and I'll now turn the call over to David King for closing remarks.

David King

Analyst

Well, thanks, everyone for joining us this morning. I've often said that our main goal is to provide a consistent, dependable and reliable result for our clients, our employees and our investment community. We continue and plan to continue that dedication to that goal. So thank you for joining us this morning. Goodbye.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today’s conference and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.