Executives
Management
John Springer – Vice President Strategy & Investor Relations Steven H. Lesnik – Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer Michael J. Graham – Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President
Perdoceo Education Corporation (PRDO)
Q4 2011 Earnings Call· Tue, Feb 28, 2012
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Executives
Management
John Springer – Vice President Strategy & Investor Relations Steven H. Lesnik – Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer Michael J. Graham – Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President
Analyst
Management
Gary Bisbee – Barclays Capital Robert Craig – Stifel Nicolaus & Company, Inc. Jeff Mueller – Robert W. Baird & Company Suzanne Stein – Morgan Stanley Jeff M. Silber – BMO Capital Markets Corey Greendale – First Analysis Trace Urdan – Wunderlich Securities, Inc. James Samford – Citi Patrick Elgrably – Credit Suisse Analyst for Peter Appert – Piper Jaffray
Operator
Operator
Welcome to the fourth quarter and full year 2011 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later we will conduct a question and answer session. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Mr. John Springer.
John Springer
Management
Thank you for joining us on our fourth quarter 2011 earnings call. With me on the call this morning are Steve Lesnik, President and Chief Executive Officer and Mike Graham our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Following remarks made by management, the call will be opened for analyst and investor questions. This conference call is being webcast live within our investor relations section of our website at www.CareerEd.com. A reply of this call will also be available on our site. If we do not get to your question during the call, please call our investor relations department at 847-585-3899. Now, before I turn the call over to Steve, let me remind you that yesterday’s press release and remarks made today by our executives may include forward looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are based on information currently available to us and involve risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual future results and performance and business prospects and opportunities to differ materially from those expressed in or implied by these statements. These risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, those factors described in our quarterly earnings release, our annual report on Form 10K for the year ended December 31, 2011 and our other filings with the Securities & Exchange Commission. Except as expressly required by the Securities’ laws, we undertake no obligation to update those risk factors or to publically announce the results of any of these forward-looking statements to reflect future events, developments, or changed circumstances, or for any other reason. Now, let me turn the call over to Steve Lesnik.
Steven H. Lesnik
Investor Relations
It’s been an eventful four months since I arrived and I can assure you of that with some authority. 2011 was a challenging year for post secondary education, some might say a watershed year. I myself, have been heavily involved in higher education for more than 25 years and there are unprecedented challenges in front of both public non-profit and public sector institutions. Today, we all to one degree or another, face a challenging landscape in post secondary education whether it be a shrinking of tax payer dollars available to public sector schools or regulatory change aimed at private sector schools. These restrictive developments are occurring even though the need for post secondary educated students in our country has never been higher and never been more out of reach for so many. We are responding to these industry wide challenges. During the year we undertook initiatives across the company to adapt as did our peers. Nevertheless, the downward pressures on student population, revenues, and margins for everyone, was readily apparent and we were no exception. Our Career Ed institutions also faced some unique challenges in 2011 leading to my arrival here in November with a clear set of priorities to immediately address. This morning I’d like to cover a few of those priorities with you. Then I’ll turn the call over to Mike Graham, who you all know, who will talk about our current business metrics, trends, and indicators. The priorities the board and I have adopted that I am going to provide you with an update of our progress on is as follows: first, ameliorate the current legal, accreditation, and regulatory issues facing us when I arrived; second, establish a clear strategic path for the company; and third, address where we are regarding leadership of the company and our…
Michael J. Graham
Management
Let me start by reminding you of a few items in the press release and Form 10K we issued last night. In the fourth quarter we recognized non-cash impairment charges totaling $188.8 million or $2.25 per share associated with our annual impairment testing. In the fourth quarter last year we booked impairment charges and a legal settlement totaling $68.6 million or $0.56 per share. All of my comments on the remainder of this call will be on a non-GAAP basis which excludes these charges. In addition, in November we completed the sale of our European Istituto Marangoni schools which were determined not to be core to the long term European strategy. The results of operations from Marangoni are now reported in discontinued operations and all prior periods have been recast to reflect our reporting on a comparable basis. We have included recasted quarterly P&Ls for 2011 and 2010 in the press release and Form 10K so you can update your models accordingly. Now, let me turn to a quick overview of our financial performance. Overall in the fourth quarter, our revenue declined 17% and operating margins came in at about 4.5% generally in line with last quarter’s results. Over the last couple quarter’s calls we’ve provided insight into the number of initiatives we’ve taken across the majority of the domestic institutions to forward student success and better position our institutions to navigate the changing regulatory landscape. The impact of these changes, together with the macroeconomic trends in the industry, have had a significant impact on our financial performance in the second half of the year. Given the number of changes in the business model, the new strategic imperatives which we’ll execute against in 2012 as Steve just spoke to, and the final outcomes of solving the regulatory challenges, today we’ll…
Operator
Operator
(Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from Gary Bisbee – Barclays Capital. Gary Bisbee – Barclays Capital: Can you give us any color on the level of spend associated with the placement rate investigation and the effort to remediate those issues? Secondly, any sense how long that level of spend will continue or persist into 2012?
Michael J. Graham
Management
I think it would be inappropriate to give a lot of detail, but let me give you a couple of pieces of color. We’ve dramatically increased the number of career services personnel. As of January 31st our career services personnel was about 10% higher than they were the year before. If you look back to December of 2009, we probably have 60 to 70 more career services personnel in the company. During the quarter we did expend legal costs related to Dewey & LeBoeuf. Dewey & LeBoeuf expenses will continue obviously, as they help us with the New York Attorney General work in 2012, but beyond that in terms of cost, the remaining costs are part of the costs of doing business and of operating our model. Gary Bisbee – Barclays Capital: Were there some other areas that standout within the G&A line? This quarter that line bumped up a lot, or is it safe to say a lot of that is this incremental stuff?
Michael J. Graham
Management
I would also point you to two things in addition to what I spoke of. One, would be we do have $5 million of severance cost related to our change in our CEO and the retirement of another executive. Additionally, we did increase our litigation reserves about $6 million within art and design, so those two items about $11 million would also be something to analyze. Gary Bisbee – Barclays Capital: Just the last quick one, your comment that the career school losses would remain similar throughout 2012, should we back out of that this $6 million litigation reserve or is there likely to be other one time stuff like that, that’s going to keep popping up this year?
Michael J. Graham
Management
We don’t anticipate other costs in terms of litigation settlements or other things. That said, we can’t tell. I would anticipate operating losses someplace around the level of $15 million per quarter going forward.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from Robert Craig – Stifel Nicolaus & Company, Inc. Robert Craig – Stifel Nicolaus & Company, Inc.: Regarding the long term strategic plan, thanks for some of the input there, I was wondering if maybe you could provide a little additional color in terms of number of brands? You said 15 potentially going to how many? Will that plan likely include further divestiture?
Steven H. Lesnik
Investor Relations
Regarding how many we’ll go down to, we look at three sphere as I’ve mentioned, the university sphere, we’d like to go down to as few as possible there. Obviously, the ideal might be one but there might be more than one on that side of the business. The second sphere, our career oriented schools, we would envision certainly maintain Le Cordon Bleu and probably go down to as few as we could beyond that. Thirdly, we have our international schools that we look at a little bit separately, we are down to two over there. We’d like to get down to as few as practical so that we can support them in the marketplace. Robert Craig – Stifel Nicolaus & Company, Inc.: And likely divestiture?
Steven H. Lesnik
Investor Relations
We’re always considering acquisitions and divestitures, it’s just sort of a routine part of the business. We’re always doing that kind of analysis. We are however, thinking as much about consolidation and uniformity as we are perhaps divesting anything. Robert Craig – Stifel Nicolaus & Company, Inc.: One more question, I noticed in the K that your rep force and faculty count were down about 3% year-over-year. I guess I would have expected that to be down a little more, and total employees down about 6%. I guess just a bigger picture question, have you sufficiently right sized the organization in terms of employee count or could we see further action there?
Steven H. Lesnik
Investor Relations
We’re always looking at that as well but I would just remind you that that has to do with the complexity of our organization. Our ability to right size as quickly as we would like to or as one might expect, is hampered by the complexity of our business and how many moving parts we are dealing with and the metrics nature of some of the functions that we perform. We are of course, looking at that as we move ahead but it’s not as simple and straightforward as it might be for some others.
Michael J. Graham
Management
The other thing I would point to you to is the rep force count is also a point in time. If you looked at the average rep force for the fourth quarter, we were down to an average of about 1,900 reps for the quarter, about 15% down.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from Jeff Mueller – Robert W. Baird & Company. Jeff Mueller – Robert W. Baird & Company: I was just wondering if you guys would be willing to provide any order of magnitude of what the temporary relief in terms of the $2,000 from the Stafford Loans had on your consolidated 90/10 rate in fiscal 2011?
Michael J. Graham
Management
A couple things, one from a consolidated rate with 26 [OPID] structures it’s not very meaningful as you go across the business units. We did talk during previous quarter’s calls that certain of our health units would be exposed to 90/10 as the $2,000 of Stafford kicked over from July 1st. From an overall company standpoint, our Title IV revenues for the year were approximately 83% so not near the 90/10 issue we spoke about was within these six [OPIDs]. As we go forward through 2012 for the ground schools we’ll have more pressure against the remainder of the ground schools, especially in health. But looking at the $2,000 across all 26 [OPIDs] would be more meaningful than consolidated. Jeff Mueller – Robert W. Baird & Company: I guess this is a follow up on the last question about consolidating the brands, but you talked about investing in CTU in the 10K and then on the call again today you talked about the branding initiatives there. Any reason for the emphasis on CTU over AIU as you look to consolidate brands? I was just wondering how you think about that?
Steven H. Lesnik
Investor Relations
I would read anything more into than it is. We did make a commitment to both schools to initiate branding activities. The CTU branding initiative is through a more conventional, what we normally think as conventional media, while the AIU initiative is more innovative and largely targeted at social media. So we are trying some different things in both of the schools to see how it works. We’ve tested both, we think both are likely to have legs for 2012 and I wouldn’t read anything more into one over the other as far as which way we’re going to go in terms of simplifying the university side of our business. Jeff Mueller – Robert W. Baird & Company: Then just finally, you guys talked about discussion with your other accreditors other than ACICS in the 10K, I guess if you could just provide any color there? Did you approach them, did they approach and to the extent to which you’re willing to, how would you characterize the discussions?
Steven H. Lesnik
Investor Relations
I would say both. I think in some cases, probably all cases, we initiated reporting. As I said in the last call, we are very transparent about what we are doing. As soon as we have found anything we have reported it and we have continued to do that into the year. The other accreditors obviously, are curious like everybody else about what is going on in the company and we think it’s in our best interest and their best interests for us to report as fully as we possibly can to them as to what’s going on in each circumstance so that nobody is caught by surprise. It’s in the interest of transparency and no surprises that we have maintained dialogs with all of our accreditors about the issues we’ve been facing here over the past several months.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from Suzanne Stein – Morgan Stanley. Suzanne Stein – Morgan Stanley: Can you give us an update on what the two potential non-compliance issues are at CTU from the OIG report and how you plan to address them?
Michael J. Graham
Management
There’s two issues, one is related to attendance taking the last date of attendance and the other one is a smaller issue related to certain financial aid elements. The financial aid elements are very small issues and we’ll take care of those in due course. On the OIG report, as you know this has been ongoing with the OIG for a matter of time. The OIG has asked us about how we calculate last day of attendance. We have responded, or we will respond back to the OIG by tomorrow with our response. We responded back that the way we do it is exactly the way we understand most traditional institutes do it in an online setting as well as most of the four profit proprietary institutions and the way we do it is very much in line with the Department’s guidelines as of July 1st and what the Department mandates for the last day of attendance. Suzanne Stein – Morgan Stanley: Separately, at the campuses that you’re facing 90/10 issues, how much more of a challenge will it be at these particular schools to comply with GE just given that one strategy is to raise tuition? Is that a viable long term strategy to address that issue?
Michael J. Graham
Management
It’s always a pressure. You have the needle between 90/10 and gainful employment that you have to thread. Right now we have looked at tuition levels and raised tuition levels. More importantly, we’ve looked heavily at other sources of non Title IV revenue. Non Title IV programs, short programs, third party reimbursements for students including scholarships, grants, corporate reimbursement so it’s a comprehensive program to look at many things besides just the tuition level. With that said, the government mandates creating gaps for the student. Not necessarily in the best interest of the student to raise tuition but we need to do that to follow regulations. We’ll work to work through 90/10 here and we’ll look at gainful employment next as we get through that.
Steven H. Lesnik
Investor Relations
I’d just like to emphasize that the first hurdle here in this hurdle race will be the 90/10 and the second hurdle beyond that will be the gainful employment. We have obviously, begun to measure just how fine a line we’re going to have to walk in order to make sure that we meet both and in cases where one or the other have to give and we have to take actions to deal with the first hurdle, that’s what we’re going to do. Suzanne Stein – Morgan Stanley: Then just a final question, have you seen any material change in competition from traditional schools over say the last two months or so?
Steven H. Lesnik
Investor Relations
I would say that there has been a lot of discussion about that. There’s a lot of conventional wisdom out there about that, but we have not seen in any quantifiable way additional pressures from the traditional schools. However, there does seem to be a quicken of interest in online teaching in the traditional schools. When I was Chairman of the Illinois Board of Higher Education, there was a very substantial resistance to distant learning by a variety of interests on the public sector side. That resistance is beginning to dissipate some as the effectiveness of online learning is becoming more established and there’s more data on online learning and secondly as a student, particular adult students, find online learning conforms better with the modern lifestyle.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from Jeff M. Silber – BMO Capital Markets. Jeff M. Silber – BMO Capital Markets: You talked a bit about the potential to consolidate some of your [OPID] numbers. Can you give us a little bit more color on the process, the milestones, and how easy and/or difficult that might be?
Steven H. Lesnik
Investor Relations
I can’t give you much more insight into it. We have discussions going on with both the Department of Education and our accreditors. I think to the extent we have established, that simplifying our organization making it less complex more consistent, more consistent in student facing activities, everybody sees the rational for doing this. It is a matter of the Department of Education at this point reacting to this and taking the appropriate steps to confirming. Jeff M. Silber – BMO Capital Markets: I know the discussions have been going on since last June. Have they given you any indication in terms of timing of a decision?
Steven H. Lesnik
Investor Relations
They have not given us any indication of timing. Obviously, we would like to get it done sooner rather than later but the Department of Education is also a big complicated organization with lots of moving parts and hopefully we can get this done as expeditiously as possible. Jeff M. Silber – BMO Capital Markets: Then moving on to the meetings with the ACICS, I know in your K you talked about how they had deferred their decision until their next meeting in April. Is that something that is going to be released publically? If you can give us some color in terms of the dialog going on there that would be great.
Steven H. Lesnik
Investor Relations
I don’t know what you mean about release publically but they will certainly tell us at some point after the meeting in April whether the show cause will be modified in some way, continued, discontinued. They have a range of actions they could possibly take after the April meeting and I feel confident that either they or we will publically announce the outcome if there is one. If not, there could be just a continuance of what is going on as well. Jeff M. Silber – BMO Capital Markets: Just a few numbers questions, Mike, can you tell us what we should be budgeting for capital spending in 2012?
Michael J. Graham
Management
I would anticipate someplace around 4% of revenue. With the reduction in revenue that we’ll experience in the year based on the 2011 trend, we still want to invest into the students and into the campuses as well as technology so it will probably be 4% or so. Jeff M. Silber – BMO Capital Markets: In terms of the current quarter, besides the extra day, is there anything unusual that we should be aware of including comparisons to last year?
Michael J. Graham
Management
Nothing significant. Obviously, you do know that within our AIU institution we have some seasonality in the fourth quarter versus other quarters based on the number of days of attendance, but nothing else would stand out.
Operator
Operator
Corey Greendale – First Analysis: A question about the placement rate issue, you talked earlier about some of the conversations you’ve had with other accreditors, can you also just comment on the nature of the discussion with the Department of Education? In your comments Steve, I think you said, something about it is good to put this chapter in the company’s history behind you. Can you just give us some sense as to what gives you the confidence that this book is closed, that there aren’t additional ramifications down the road from the Department of Education, or states, or anything?
Steven H. Lesnik
Investor Relations
I can’t imagine that there’d be additional ramifications from anyone on this. We conducted an internal independent investigation of our placement practices. We found some things in some of our health schools that we announced publically and that we announced to regulators and others. The rest of the review didn’t turn up anything to report to anybody and there haven’t been and there won’t be any need for further conversations with anyone about it. Corey Greendale – First Analysis: Secondly, I understand you’ve committed to being the CEO until the end of this year. Is there a scenario where you could be the CEO for five years or should we not be thinking about it that way?
Steven H. Lesnik
Investor Relations
I’m not going to put any time limit on how long I stay. I think first of all it has to do with the board of directors and what the board of directors think is the best course for the company and they are watching very, very closely. I will stay until we get the three areas that I’ve described to you this morning on the right track and a lift and forward momentum going. That is getting these regulatory issues, accreditation issues, and other reputation issues that we inherited resolved, getting the leadership team in very strong position, and importantly, getting some momentum on these strategic plans which we have adopted this year. Corey Greendale – First Analysis: Can you just give us your sense for CEC’s reputation within the industry at this point in terms of given where the company is at, are you finding it more challenging to attract good talent given the changes, is it getting easier, just what is the status on that?
Steven H. Lesnik
Investor Relations
First of all, two questions, in the industry and generally with respect to talent. I think that we still have the respect of our peers. I think our peers recognize that there are a lot of good assets here, there is a lot of good institutions, good people. I think our technological advances are very well known. I think the strength of our financial organization and frankly, our teaching core is respected by our peers. So I think our standing in the industry continues to be very strong and I think personally there’s a lot to build on here. With respect to a more general reputation, we like many of the other companies have taken a good many hits both in Washington and some of the general media over the past year, we’re certainly no exception and more recently we’ve been a little bit more in the limelight than we would like. We have a search firm on retainer that is looking for some of the people that I described to you and frankly, they’re having very good reception. I think people recognize the importance of education, the opportunity for higher education, the need for higher education. I think it motivates and it is very attractive to some people to do this kind of stuff and we’re finding the caliber of candidates that are interested in the company to be pretty good.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from Trace Urdan – Wunderlich Securities, Inc. Trace Urdan – Wunderlich Securities, Inc.: Given the revised downward placement rates at some of the healthcare schools I’m wondering if any of those you would consider potentially at risk for closure? Or, at this point are you comfortable that none of the schools need to be closed?
Steven H. Lesnik
Investor Relations
As I said in my prepared remarks, we will either fix them, teach them out, or in some cases cap enrollment. If closure is another word for teaching them out, we’re not going to leave any students in the lurch here but as I said in my prepared remarks, we’re going to do one of the three things either fix them, cap them, or teach them out. Trace Urdan – Wunderlich Securities, Inc.: With the Italian school can you tell us if that was sale process, did you put that school on the market or was the bid unsolicited? If it was unsolicited, have you received any other unsolicited bids for other assets in the company?
Steven H. Lesnik
Investor Relations
All the time.
Michael J. Graham
Management
We looked at the Marangoni asset as part of our portfolio well before the closure obviously last November. The Marangoni asset was not integrated into our European platform. The core curriculum of fashion design, the degrees offered were not towards our European work in business, and IT, and health and in publicity and the owner that came to us we believe was a much better owner longer term for the brand and for the students. We’re not going to comment on M&A activity but as Steve said we have a great collection of assets here at the company and it’s not lost on people that there’s a lot of value in this company right now. Trace Urdan – Wunderlich Securities, Inc.: Last question, I’m assuming that the board – if you guys are buying $60 million of stock in a month that you must have already made some kind of assessment as to what your potential liability could be around settling with the New York AG and the other states in which you’re operating the healthcare schools. I’m wondering if you can share with us how you’re thinking about that potential liability?
Michael J. Graham
Management
We think about the buy back as we always have which is first and foremost invest in the business which we’ve done. We said in the third quarter call that the repurchase we did was the returning of the proceeds of the Marangoni sale and the completion of the buy back from the year before versus anything incremental. So the shares that we bought back were the continuation of that process. As we look forward, we always look at our shares as an opportunity to invest but first and foremost sound balance sheet, reinvest in the business and make sure we pass the DOE ratio. Remember, the DOE ratio as we deleverage and profitability falls will be important and international operations don’t count against the DOE ratio. So we’re very mindful in our buyback of the DOE ratio as well. Trace Urdan – Wunderlich Securities, Inc.: But what about the New York AG? I presume you’re thinking there must be some kind of a financial settlement that you’re going to have to arrive at there given you guys have already acknowledge that the placement reporting was not accurate.
Steven H. Lesnik
Investor Relations
We don’t know what the outcome of that will be and we’re certainly not going to speculate publically or in any other forum about what the outcome of that might be.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from James Samford – Citi. James Samford – Citi: Just a couple questions, you commented that conversion rates and productivity were down and I think one of your competitors talked about an improving economy as one of the headwinds that are growing here. I was wondering if you’re seeing any kind of counter cyclicality components as a drag on growth?
Michael J. Graham
Management
I think with the number of changes that we spoke to on the call between the model changes, the implementation of SOAR, the implementation of testing and entrance exams across almost all of our institutions domestically, to try to single out that as factor on conversion rate would be very, very difficult. I think we’re experiencing what everyone else is experiencing and if there’s some counter cyclicality, especially in the online businesses we would have our proportionate fair share if that exists. James Samford – Citi: I was impressed with the international side, once you exclude the international piece what was the organic growth rate there maybe ex fx? Was there an acquisition component to that as well?
Michael J. Graham
Management
What remains in the international piece is a great institution of INSEEC within Paris and the International University of Monaco, that is all organic growth there has been no acquisitions there and the start and population detail is laid out for the quarter and the year right in the K.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from Patrick Elgrably – Credit Suisse. Patrick Elgrably – Credit Suisse: Can you share with us any color on the draft two year default rates you received yesterday and expectations for the three year rates, where those might come in?
Michael J. Graham
Management
We received the data last night. We’re currently analyzing it. As you know, with 26 [OPIDs] we need to do the work. Our forecast said that our rates would be down probably about 200 basis points to closer to 14% and also that we would have no institutions from a forecast standpoints being over 25% so we’re in good shape there. We don’t expect that the details will be different but we’ll go through that and we’ll publish the rates as appropriate on an 8K later when we have the data done. It’s too early to comment on the three years right now in terms of the preliminary but the preliminary drafts that we shared before had no institutions at the 40% level. Patrick Elgrably – Credit Suisse: Just a quick clarification, in the press release there was a new footnote under starts for AIU and CTU that a student isn’t counted as a start until they complete SOAR. Can you just clarify if that’s a change versus how those students were accounted for in Q2 and Q3?
Michael J. Graham
Management
In Q2 the SOAR program didn’t exist we only had one small cohort in CTU. In the third quarter that’s how we accounted for them. Basically, we don’t know up on the start of the student whether they will complete or not complete so we basically internally record it as a start and then a negative start when they don’t complete the program. So it’s really a net start basis and it’s been comparable throughout the entire program.
Operator
Operator
Your last question comes from Analyst for Peter Appert – Piper Jaffray. Analyst for Peter Appert – Piper Jaffray: You mentioned earlier that you’re not seeing additional pressures from traditional schools aside from a bigger interest in online offerings. Are you seeing heavier competition from for profit institutions? I just want to get a sense to whether that’s translating into longer decision cycles in house how CECO is working to differentiate itself?
Steven H. Lesnik
Investor Relations
We are seeing a certain change in the decision cycle of applicants, people considering us for enrollment. We are seeing that and we are seeing people having more intentionality when they come into contact with us and consider us for enrollment. We are finding that people are more aware of certain brands than they were in the past and are quite as blank a slate as they were. We are doing a very considerable amount of research into what we call the purchase dynamic and are working on becoming more efficient in this area. We are also, as you know, putting more money into branding so that the intentionality is intended for us, that there’s an intent to purchase from us, by a greater number of applicants. We are working very hard to differentiate ourselves in this area because of the changes that we’re seeing among prospective students. Analyst for Peter Appert – Piper Jaffray: You had mentioned the new screening, the 21 day orientation program will have an impact on enrollments obviously, do you have more color on that and what the magnitude might be on impacting enrollments?
Michael J. Graham
Management
It’s too early to tell. If we adopt it in the second half of the year and it’s only for new students you’ll see the impact not to the revenue side of the financial statements but probably from a start metric standpoint. We’ve got a lot of work to do to get our IT systems ready, our student disclosures ready, make sure the process of draw downs with the department and everything else are tied up so we won’t be doing this until the second half of the year. To be seen, it will obviously affect reported starts but to the effect that those starts don’t persist through the class, or don’t persist through the second class the financial impact is muted. This is about getting quality students in and making sure we do the best thing for the student not about the financial metrics. Analyst for Peter Appert – Piper Jaffray: Last question, I just want to sort of get comfort around impairments and whether we’ve seen all the major impairments behind us going forward and whether the abnormalities with the tax rate will persist?
Michael J. Graham
Management
Two questions there, obviously impairment is an annual testing and more frequently is dictated by the accounting rules on a triggering event. One always has to look at that and there can always be more impairments depending on where the future cash flows of the business are forecasted and forecasting is a difficult process to do. So there could be impairments in 2012 or subsequent years. Tax rate, most of the write off of the impairment was not deductable for tax purposes leading to a very strange tax rate. As you look forward for next year in 2012 I would think about our domestic tax rate being somewhere between 35% and 37% and our international tax rate being somewhere between 15% and 20% as you build the model into two separate businesses.
Steven H. Lesnik
Investor Relations
I think we’re a couple minutes over here so I’d like to wrap this up. I think you’ve heard that the last few months have been pretty eventful but more importantly, I hope that we have conveyed to you today that 2012 is going to be a transitional and somewhat difficult year for us but, I am at least, confident that we are headed in the right direction for long term success and solidification of our business. Thanks so much for joining us today. We appreciate your continued interest in Career Education and we look forward to getting to know some of you better in the future. Thanks so much.
Operator
Operator
This concludes today’s presentation. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.