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Pilgrim's Pride Corporation (PPC)

Q4 2023 Earnings Call· Mon, Feb 26, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2023 Pilgrim's Pride Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. [Operator Instructions] At the company's request, this call is being recorded. Please note that the slides referenced during today's call are available for download from the Investors section of the company's website at www.Pilgrim’s.com. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. At this time, I would like to turn the floor over to Andrew Rojeski, Head of Strategy, Investor Relations and Net Zero Programs for Pilgrim's.

Andy Rojeski

Analyst

Good morning, and thank you for joining us today as we review our operating and financial results for the fourth quarter and fiscal year ended on December 31, 2023. This morning, we issued a press release providing an overview of our financial performance for the quarter and the year, including a reconciliation of any non-GAAP measures we may discuss. A copy of the release is available on our website at ir.Pilgrims.com, along with slides for reference. These items have also been filed as Form 8-Ks and are available online at sec.gov. Fabio Sandri, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Matt Galvanoni, Chief Financial Officer, will present on today's call. Before we begin our prepared remarks, I would like to remind everyone of our safe harbor disclaimer. Today's call may contain certain forward-looking statements that represent our outlook and current expectations as of the date of this release. Other additional factors not anticipated by management may cause actual results to differ materially from those projected in these forward-looking statements. Further information concerning these factors have been provided in this morning’s press release, our Form 10-K, and regular filings with the SEC. I would now like to turn the call over to Fabio Sandri.

Fabio Sandri

Analyst

Thank you, Andy. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. For the fourth quarter of 2023, we reported net revenues of $4.5 billion. We had adjusted EBITDA of $310 million, and our adjusted EBITDA margin was 6.8%. Our Q4 performance demonstrated the continued effectiveness of our strategies of portfolio diversification, key customer focus, and operational excellence, to create more stable results. The US portfolio improved, given growth with key customers in Case Ready and enhanced production efficiencies, with operational excellence in Big Bird. Our efforts to further add value to our portfolio through the Prepared Foods continued to gain momentum, given the growth of our branded offerings through retail and increased presence in food service. In our geographical diversification, the UK and European business continue to drive profitable growth from the impact of operational excellence efforts throughout our manufacturing network, increasing the strength of key customers, and diversification through continued progress of our branded offerings. As for Mexico, the business in the quarter was impacted by weakened supply and demand fundamentals, but our efforts to diversify our portfolio through brands continued to flourish, as both new and existing offerings grew within the trade and customers alike, and we continue to grow with key customers across retail and food service. Our investments in operational excellence efforts to expand capacity and cultivate redundancy in live operation remain on track. For the fiscal year, net revenues were $17.4 billion. Adjusted EBITDA was $1 billion, with adjusted EBITDA margins of 6%. The US faced depressed market conditions and elevated input costs in the first half of the year, but we maintained our leadership mindset and focus on controlling what we can control, the execution of our strategies through our relentless pursuit of operational excellence. As conditions evolved throughout the year, our…

Matt Galvanoni

Analyst

Thank you, Fabio. Good morning, everyone. For the fourth quarter of 2023, net revenues were $4.53 billion versus $4.13 billion a year ago, with adjusted EBITDA of $309.5 million and a margin of 6.8%, compared to $62.9 million and a 1.5% margin in Q4 last year. In the quarter, we reported GAAP net income of $135 million versus a GAAP net loss of $155 million in 2022. For fiscal year 2023, net revenues were $17.4 billion versus $17.5 billion in fiscal 2022, with adjusted EBITDA of $1.03 billion and a 6.0% margin, compared to $1.65 billion and a 9.5% margin last year. We achieved $321.6 million of GAAP net income this year versus $745.9 million in 2022. Adjusted EBITDA in the US for Q4 came in at $200.3 million, with adjusted EBITDA margins at 7.5%. Our Big Bird business profitability significantly improved year-over-year as throughout the second half of the year, commodity market pricing rose back to more historical seasonal levels, along with further operational improvements achieved by the business. Also driving the improvement in the quarterly US results are increases in profitability in both our Case Ready and Small Bird businesses. These businesses utilize key customer partnerships to increase distribution. Our Prepared Foods business continued its momentum of branded product sales growth, with both retail and food service customers. Finally, in the quarter we recorded approximately $18 million of insurance proceeds associated with the winter storm that impacted our operations in Texas and Louisiana in February 2021. However, the impact of these proceeds were offset by year-over-year increase in incentive compensation and other actuarial related true-up charges during the quarter. For the fiscal year, our US net revenues were $10.03 billion versus $10.75 billion in fiscal 2022, with adjusted EBITDA of $531.5 million and a 5.3% margin, compared to…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question today comes from Ben Theurer from Barclays. Please go ahead with your question.

BenTheurer

Analyst

Yes. Good morning. Fabio, Matt. First of all, congrats on a very strong finish in 2023. Two quick questions. So, first one probably more for Fabio, as we look into 2024, and obviously you've talked about it in the prepared remarks as it relates to just these availability being tighter, those prices coming up, but then there should be more pork and still chicken should be the favorable one. So, as we think about just the supply side and your role within that supply, what are you doing in order to grow maybe your production within the US, leveraging also the fact that feed cost has come down. So, how should we think about Pilgrim's specific supply situation into 24 versus 2023? That would be my first question, then I have a quick follow up.

Fabio Sandri

Analyst

Sure, thank you, Ben. As we look at our portfolio, Ben, we have a strategy of organic growth in conjunction with our key customers. And I think we've been growing over the last year. As an example, in Q4, we increase ahead of the industry, as the needs from our key customers demand more volume from us. I think part of that was because of our project in Athens that started during Q4 to supply growth for our key customers. The pricing of grain, which should be a benefit for the whole industry and for us overall, will not change our focus on our key customers. We have a well-diversified portfolio. We are well balanced between Small Birds, tray-pack and Big Birds, and Prepared Foods, and we expect it to continue that.

BenTheurer

Analyst

Okay, perfect. And then my second question just as it relates to like the trajectory and the delivery you had in the European results, because obviously we remember that in the past, you had those issues where the cost plus was more like a grain plus and not necessarily that. Where would you say you stand right now in recovering all that input cost pressure you had from Brexit over the pandemic in Europe, and what's like kind of the run rate profitability we should assume for 2024, just given the very strong results we’ve already seen in the fourth quarter? So, how to think about European profitability in 2024? That would be my second question. Thank you.

Fabio Sandri

Analyst

Sure, Ben. Thank you once again. Yes, 2021 and 2022 were very difficult for our European business. As you mentioned, most of our contracts with the customers were based what we thought was cost-driven, but it was only grain-driven. All the other costs, like labor, packaging, ingredients, were expected to stay fixed, but as we saw some massive inflation in the European region, especially utilities, ingredients, packaging, everything, we saw disconnection between our costing and our pricing. We renegotiated all those contracts during 2021, 2022, and we are seeing some of the benefits coming through our bottom line in 2023. I think, combined with that, we also simplified our business. We integrated all the plans and businesses that we have in Europe. We have a very diversified portfolio there. Just as an example, we have the fresh pork and lamb business. We have poultry business. We have the meals business. We have a very robust branded business. We have also a prepared business and a food service business. So, there are many segments that we serve in Europe. And as the consumer is gaining more confidence in Europe, as we see inflation easing, he is going back to the retail and to the branded offerings, and we are seeing a benefit and we are capturing also that growth with our key customers in that region. As far as the future, again - yes, sorry. As far as the future, as we restructure our network and we are benefiting from our lean structure right now, we expected to see those benefits coming to the bottom line and we see the strengthening of the region as a whole.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Ben Bienvenu from Stephens, Inc. Please go ahead with your question.

Ben Bienvenu

Analyst

Hey, thanks. Good morning, everybody. Congratulations. I'd like to pick up where Ben left off on the Europe segment as it relates to any consideration we should give to seasonality in the business, notwithstanding the self-help initiatives that you all have underway. And then maybe reiterating the question he asked of, what is the baseline profitability off of which we should model quarter-to-quarter earnings in this business? Because you ended the year just under 5% operating margins. You started the year at 2%. You've made fantastic progress and margins went up sequentially every quarter during the year. So, does that trajectory continue? Do we stabilize and vacillate off of some new baseline? Help us think about the possibilities there.

Fabio Sandri

Analyst

Well, of course, Ben. Thank you for the question. Yes, as I mentioned, we have a very well-diversified portfolio. To your point, there is a little bit of seasonality in Europe. I think Q4 tends to be a strong quarter with year-end festivities and we have a strong business in the branded, in the hams, and in the sausage business. Nonetheless, our businesses are growing faster than the industry. I think that's what we want to do, to partnership with our key customers, create and differentiate offerings both in fresh, prepared, in the retail and in the food service. And we are seeing a strong beginning of Q1. Of course, there is a little bit of seasonality, and Q1 last year was still impacted by a very high inflationary period, and now we're seeing a deflationary period. So, what we expected is a little bit of a reduction of revenues, but we expect a continuing on our robust bottom line. Again, there is a little bit of seasonality in Q4. So, we expect Q1 to continue to be strong compared to last year, but with seasonality not as strong as Q4. But for the year, we expect year-over-year growth with all the operational excellence initiatives that it took during 2023 to come into the full year benefits in 2024.

Ben Bienvenu

Analyst

Okay, very good. Thinking about the US business, strong results in the fourth quarter. We've seen commodity fundamentals improve into the early part of 2024. It looks as though that should persist as we move through 2024. How should we be thinking about sequencing of profitability this year? And did you all have any weather disruptions or operational hiccups associated with the weather that we saw in in January or early February in the first quarter that we should be mindful of?

Fabio Sandri

Analyst

Yes, thank you. As we look at our US business, as I mentioned, we have a very well-diversified portfolio. We are able to capture upsides in the commodity market and protect the downsides with the more stable small bird, tray-pack, and the Prepared Foods business As looking to the drivers in terms of supply and demand, I think we are seeing some tailwinds in terms of cost, especially on the grain. As I mentioned, there is some record production in US and in South America, which will provide us close to $188 million in cost reduction during the 2024 year. Of course, not all of that will go into the bottom line, as we have a lot of our pricing based on market or based on cost plus initiatives. But if you look at the supply, we're expecting muted supply growth during the Q1, and we're seeing some very strong demand for chicken. As we mentioned, I think chicken is a great value for the consumers. The spread between chicken and beef and pork are close to record levels, and we're seeing a strong increase in the promotional activity by the retailers. If you look at what's happening in retail right now, we're seeing the shoppers doing more trips and buying less every trip that they do, and that, it's really important for the retailer to drive traffic, and chicken is a great way to drive traffic for the stores. So, we're seeing the increase in promotional activity and an increase in the demand, especially from our key customers on that segment. On the food service, we’re seeing some lower traffic and the consumer is spending a little bit more at home, but what we are seeing is that an increase in penetration of the chicken offerings. So, we're seeing strong demand both in food service and the retail starting of the year. Now, as the year progresses, we are expecting, or USDA is expecting a little bit of an increase close to 1% in terms of supply for Q2 and Q3, which is in line with the expected seasonality or the grilling season. And then a slight growth in Q4 of 0.8% for a total of 0.8%. As I mentioned as well, the net availability of protein for the west is expected to be really muted, and with the reduction of the beef prices. So, everything on the drivers are in line for a strong year for chicken in 2024.

Matt Galvanoni

Analyst

And Ben, to your question on disruptions so far in Q1, we've had relatively minor disruptions from the weather relative to the storms earlier in the quarter. So, nothing that was very impactful overall.

Ben Bienvenu

Analyst

Okay, great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Andrew Strelzik from BMO. Please go ahead with your question.

Andrew Strelzik

Analyst · your question.

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to just follow up on the prior question about the US margin outlook. And if I think about your five-year average margin in the US is just north of 6% operating margin. And you said in the fourth quarter the cutout was in line with the five-year average. Obviously, fee costs are heading well below the five-year average. You’re constructive on the demand backdrop. So, it seems to imply that 2024 US margins could be solidly above that kind of five-year average just north of 6% as well. Am I thinking about that correctly? Is there anything that I'm kind of missing within that picture?

Fabio Sandri

Analyst · your question.

No. Great. Andrew, I think it goes back to the portfolio as I mentioned before. We have a well-balanced portfolio. I think the commodity pricing and the growing cost impacts only partially our portfolio as we demonstrated over 2021, 2022 and 2023. The tray-pack and the Small Bird business are more cost-driven or margin-driven. And we have a great partnership, and we continue to grow on those business to offset the volatility of the Big Bird. So, some of the benefits of the lower grain costs will go through our bottom line, especially again on the commodity segments, but on all other segments we expect more stable margins.

Andrew Strelzik

Analyst · your question.

Okay. All right.

Fabio Sandri

Analyst · your question.

Yes, to fair with the last year or normal years, as we always mentioned, we want to be the best operator. We want to capture the upsides and protect the downsides. And what we can say is that we will always perform above the competition, whatever the market will allow us to capture.

Andrew Strelzik

Analyst · your question.

Yep, that makes good sense. And my second question is on hatchability, and if I look at the slide and the data that that you provided on that slide, hatchability has basically gone straight down this year. Some of that I guess is probably seasonal, but we're now outside most recently the five-year average. Can you just maybe talk about a little bit what's going on from a hatchability perspective? I think if I rewind, we were supposed to see increases in that kind of steadily and hasn't really materialized. And so, how are you thinking about hatchability going forward for the industry and the limitations that creates on production growth for chicken in 2024?

Fabio Sandri

Analyst · your question.

Yes, sure, Andrew. That has been a topic that we've been discussing over the last two to three years, right? I think the hatchability issue has started, as we mentioned, as we changed - as the primary breeding companies changed their breeds to improve the quality and the yields on the breast meat. We started several years ago with the issue of the woody breast and the reaction from the primary breeders was to change their breed to improve the quality and reduce that issue, and that impacted the hatchability. That, as well as a breed that performs better on the conversion, creates a little bit of a challenge on the live side, on the egg production, and on the hatch. And I think that's what we saw, right, from 82% to close to 79% to 80% level, the impact of that change in the breed to our industry. Of course, we are improving our management of the breeder side, and I think that has improved the hatchability, especially for us. We are better than the average company right now, but there is still some challenges on the hatchability that maybe with a new breed will be resumed. The prior level that we used to have on the AD is 82%, but I think it's still a management issue on the weight of the male, especially of the male, and an overall hatchability of this new breed. So, as we go throughout the years, we expect to get that better. As the number of - or the volume that we expect for the incoming months or the next years and the expectations and a little bit of the bottleneck that that poses, I think that's why the industry is trying to increase the number of breeders. As we see the pool placements, it was a little bit higher than year-over-year, but that's the reaction of the industry, expecting to improve hatchability through age. Another issue that we have, we have a little bit of an older breeder age, which is impacting hatchability once again. And the increase in the breeding flock is going to counter that with a younger flock, which should be more productive.

Andrew Strelzik

Analyst · your question.

Okay. And if I could just squeeze one quick one in here. On the balance sheet and the cash balance, you talked about the strength of the balance sheet. The CapEx is coming in maybe a little higher than we had otherwise thought, but your cash balance is pretty robust. Your projects generally speaking are kind of winding down. How are you thinking about leveraging that cash balance? You talked about some optionality for growth, but I guess when you think about the opportunity set, what's attractive and how are you thinking about allocating the cash? Thanks

Matt Galvanoni

Analyst · your question.

Andrew, it's Matt. Thanks for the question. I think our main focus really, I mentioned it a couple times in my prepared remarks, is really on organic growth, and that growth with key customers. We've had some projects that we've been either executed or in the process of executing, which is providing us further production and kind of tightness with our key customers. And I think that's where we're going to probably see more of our cash from a CapEx. And that's why when I gave that range, it really - I did put a little bit of a caveat on that this could change with other broader, bigger organic growth opportunities that we have for that cash at this time. So, that's something we've been executing on very well over the last year to 18 months. And I think we're going to be seeing more of that as we go forward. I don't know if Fabio wants to add any other color to that.

Fabio Sandri

Analyst · your question.

No, and again, Andrew, we're always looking to how can we create value for the shareholders. We have a lot of growth initiatives. One, I think to Matt's point, is to grow with our key customers, but we have our targets in terms of acquisition. We will do an acquisition when we think it’s accretive to us and will help us either on improving our portfolio in regions or in brands or in growing our Prepared Foods offerings.

Andrew Strelzik

Analyst · your question.

Great. Thank you very much. I'll pass it on.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Peter Galbo from Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Peter Galbo

Analyst · your question.

Hey, good morning guys. Just a couple of P&L questions for me. Matt, and Fabio, you talked about obviously the deflation we've seen in in feed costs or in US feed costs. Matt, I was just hoping maybe you could give us an update on the other part of the cost equation, so labor and conversion, just kind of what you're expecting for 2024, and then maybe a blended either COGS inflation or deflation rate for the US.

Matt Galvanoni

Analyst · your question.

Yes, I think at least directionally, Peter, I think relative to labor, as Fabio mentioned in his prepared remarks, we’re getting to the point of being fully staffed, which is great. So, that does of course come - and then when you think about on a per person basis, our increases in 2024 will not be as high as they were, shall we say, in 2022 and early part of 2023. Just the market is kind of becoming a little more stable relative to that. So, we will see some levels of increase, but not to what we've seen in the past. But I think that the main driver that we're seeing from a cost perspective, that's a huge chunk of our COGS, is the grain, which we are seeing the tailwinds, which is excellent. But when I think about the other key cost drivers, labor should be relatively in check and ingredients and other things of that nature, nothing that is causing any level of extraordinary change.

Fabio Sandri

Analyst · your question.

And Peter, I think as we do every year, we started the year looking at all the efficiencies that we can capture. We call this the opening the gaps, looking at all the opportunities in every single operation throughout our network, and then we created action plans to close those gaps, or capture that operational excellence, as I mentioned. Every year, we expected from $100 million to $200 million in operational excellence, in operational effectiveness. And that is part COGS, part revenues, because we talk about improving the mix. We talk about reducing overall plant costs, and we talk about capturing improvements in yields. Of course, as Matt said, that is grain non-impactful, but there is a little bit of inflation in terms of packaging ingredients and somewhat utilities that we can counter. So, we are always expecting to improve our operations year-over-year, and that's an exercise that we do bottom up from all the operations at all the plants and we some - and add up all the way through our total P&L.

Peter Galbo

Analyst · your question.

Got it. No, that's helpful. And then just, Matt, on the SG&A front, I think - you obviously mentioned it's down about 9% for the year in 2023. Just trying to either get a sense on 2024, either dollar growth rate in SG&A or rough range. I think you've been between $125 million, $135 million a quarter, if that's still a fair range to use. Thanks very much.

Matt Galvanoni

Analyst · your question.

Yes, no, I think it's good. That's a decent range. I think what I would also - when you think about it, Peter, is, this year we really did see a significant decrease from 2022 in legal defense costs. I certainly don't anticipate us moving up to the 2022 levels. Certainly, we'll have some level of increase in 2024 versus 2023, because we'll get ourselves back in more of a - we believe hopefully in more of a stable incentive compensation cost that will kind of true back up to more of a normalized level for the US business. But I think if you kind of think about this, thinking 2024 being somewhat between 2023 and 2022, is a reasonable way of thinking about it.

Fabio Sandri

Analyst · your question.

I think in the total SG&A, we're also benefiting from the consolidation of the back office in Europe, although there's a little bit of exchange rate impact there as well.

Peter Galbo

Analyst · your question.

Got it. Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Adam Samuelson from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead with your question.

Adam Samuelson

Analyst · your question.

Yes, thank you. Good morning, everyone. So, I guess first question, just on Mexico, obviously that business it's short cycle, given the nature of that market. You alluded to a challenging October, which I think impacted the overall fourth quarter. Can you talk about the supply demand trends as you look in first quarter into the second as we sit here today? And is there anything that would kind of have Mexico off the normal - a more normal seasonal cadence that you would've seen in prior years where typically the second quarter is the high point?

Fabio Sandri

Analyst · your question.

Yes, sure. Thank you, Adam. Yes, Mexico was a little bit weaker than expected in Q4, although better than the prior year. I think the major drivers were very cheap imports coming from Brazil and also from the United States during Q4. And I think that, combined with an increase in production in the overall industry during Q4, put some pressure, especially on the live bird market. And we know, as I mentioned, the short cycle and how that market is really volatile. As we started Q1, as we always mention, Mexico can be very volatile quarter-over-quarter, but very, very strong and consistent year-over-year. We saw already an improvement from those levels. We're seeing the improvements right now. I think the year still started a little bit weaker than we expected, but we're seeing the improvements right now as we see the strengthening in the pricing in the US, which will prevent export going there. I think there's a lot of work production also flowing from United States to Mexico, but we are seeing already an improvement in the market right now. And as you mentioned, we expect the Q2 market to be really strong.

Adam Samuelson

Analyst · your question.

Okay, that's helpful. And I guess as a follow up in the US business on your prepared business in the US and I know there's been a lot of growth in the Just Bare brand. Can you maybe just talk about the profitability of the Prepared Foods business at this point? I know historically that was a more challenging piece because of scale. Are we getting to a point now where prepared can be a more material earnings contributor? And if so, is there a thought about incremental capital and capacity needs in that unit?

Fabio Sandri

Analyst · your question.

Sure. And that's exactly the strategy, right Adam, to have a portfolio that can capture the upsides in the market and protect the downsides. And I think Prepared Foods play a significant role there. As we have an exposure to the Big Bird market, we want to have the counter that volatility with a more stable prepared business that can benefit from cheaper inputs in the commodity. As 2022 and 2023 move along, we saw that strong growth on our brand. I think not only we are benefiting from lower commodity prices, but we're also capturing upside because it's a differentiated product that really resonated with the consumers. And that's what we are seeing, that strong demand, and we are helping our key customers with driving not only profits, but also driving traffic. As we see the commodity market improving, we can see a little bit of a reduction and on a squeeze on the margins on that business, again, we expect it to be more stable, but we are seeing double-digit profitability in that business in 2023, and we don't expect that to be different in 2024. As for growth, you are correct. We talk about the growth with our key customers and we are reaching the 100% capacity, especially on the fully-cooked business, with Just Bare brand also with the Pilgrim’s brand where we do a relaunch during Q2.

Adam Samuelson

Analyst · your question.

I really, I appreciate that color. I'll pass it on. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

And ladies and gentlemen, our next question comes from Priya Ohri Gupta from Barclays. Please go ahead with your question.

Priya Ohri Gupta

Analyst · your question.

Great. Thank you so much for taking the question. Andy, maybe just one to start with for you, or sorry, excuse me, Matt. Can we talk a little bit about working capital, just with some of the relief that you're seeing on the green side, is there scope for working capital to potentially be even a benefit this year as we think about your free cash flow composition?

Matt Galvanoni

Analyst · your question.

My initial reaction is, yes. I mean, I think we should be able to see some working capital benefits going forward, especially with where grain is going. It may take a bit of time to let that kind of fully get itself through inventory as such, but we are seeing that is definitely the direction where we're taking, and we've seen that a little bit here in the fourth quarter. But as grain is starting to hit these kind of low four areas in corn, that is something that we’re seeing there also, Priy.

Fabio Sandri

Analyst · your question.

I think also in terms of the inventories, Priya, we've been pushing a lot of reduction in our inventory, especially for frozen category. And we are seeing the overall inventories in the market also going down, especially on the dark meat, and that has helped the whole industry and helped our working capital.

Priya Ohri Gupta

Analyst · your question.

Right. That's helpful. So, I guess as a follow on and maybe building on one of the prior questions that sort of puts you guys in a little bit more of an enviable position when it comes to your cashflow generation, your existing cash, you've already sort of outlined the CapEx guidance. As we think about that cash that's building, would you be able to maybe talk us through the scope to potentially increase some of those organic projects versus looking a bit more aggressively at inorganic opportunities, and how high of a cash balance would you be comfortable sitting on?

Matt Galvanoni

Analyst · your question.

I think when you talk about the inorganic versus organic, Fabio had mentioned on the inorganic side, look, we want to grow our company, but we want to be very prudent relative to any type of acquisition that we do to make sure it's completely on strategy and we're paying a right and fair price for any type of acquisition that way. So, we're certainly not excluding any opportunities for inorganic, but it's something that's got to be the right fit for us at the right price. Relative to organic, we have some capital needs that are out there. We've got opportunities to grow with our key customers. We are not going to - we're going to be very - once again, I'll use the word prudent again on those types of investments, but we have opportunities to be more on the organic side relative to that growth. I don't think there's something that we look at as a cash limit as it relates to how high it can go. If there is a reason to do some type of buyback, we would consider that, but that is not number one on the list, as I've mentioned before.

Priya Ohri Gupta

Analyst · your question.

Great. Thank you so much. Great. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

And ladies and gentlemen, with that, we'll be concluding today's question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the floor back over to Fabio for any closing remarks.

Fabio Sandri

Analyst

Yes. Thank you, everyone, for attending our call. Our team faced exceptionally volatile market conditions throughout 2023. Nonetheless, they maintained focus on strategies of key customer partnership, portfolio diversification, and operational excellence. And these efforts were combined with the leadership mindset and commitment to our values. We elevated our performance and demonstrated an ability to drive profitable growth despite circumstances. Moving forward, we'll continue to drive our strategies, along with an unwavering commitment to team member safety, as well being along with an unyielding attention to quality, service, and sustainability. Given our progress and efforts, we can continue to cultivate a better future for our team members and achieve our aspiration of becoming the best and most respected company in 2024 and beyond. Thank you, everyone.

Operator

Operator

And ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's conference call. We thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines.