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Powell Industries, Inc. (POWL)

Q4 2017 Earnings Call· Wed, Dec 6, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the Powell Industries Fourth Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now pleasure to introduce your host, Natalie Hairston, Dennard-Lascar Investor Relations. Thank you, Ms. Hairston, you may begin.

Natalie Hairston

Analyst

Thanks operator and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us today for Powell Industries' conference call to review its fiscal year 2017 fourth quarter results. We would also like to welcome our internet participants listening to the call that is being webcast. Before I turn the call over to management, I have the usual details to cover. If you did not receive an e-mail of the news release issued yesterday afternoon and would like to get one, please call our offices at Dennard-Lascar Investor Relations and we will get one to you; that number is 713-529-6600. Also, if you want to be on the e-mail distribution release for Powell releases, please relay that information to us. There will be a replay of today's call, and it will be available via webcast by going to the Company's website at powellind.com or a replay will be available by telephone until December 13. The information on how to access the replay was provided in yesterday's earnings release. Please note, that information reported on this call speaks only as of today, December 6, 2017 and therefore, you are advised that any time sensitive information may no longer be accurate as of the time of any replay listening or transcript reading. The conference call includes certain statements relating to the Company's expectations of its future operating results that may be deemed forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Investors are cautioned that such forward-looking statements may involve risks and uncertainties, and that actual results may differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements. These risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, competition and competitive pressures, sensitivity to general economic and industry conditions, international political and economic risks, availability and price of raw materials and execution of business strategies. For more information, please refer to the Company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. With me on the call are Brett Cope, Powell's Chief Executive Officer; and Don Madison, Chief Financial Officer. Now I will turn the call over to Brett. Brett?

Brett Cope

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed with your question

Thank you, Natalie, and good morning everyone. Thank you for joining us today to review our 2017 fourth quarter and year end results. I will make a few comments, and then I will turn the call over to Don for more financial commentary before we take your questions. 2017 presented Powell with a mix of both operational accomplishments and performance challenges as across many of our key customer markets. The spirit of Powell is demonstrated immediately after the landfall Hurricane Harvey. Several of our U.S. and Canada facilities teamed up to assist key customers whose critical Gulf Coast operations had been paralyzed by flood damaged equipment. Powell capacity sharing and supply chain capabilities were highlighted during this crisis which showcased the strength of our frontend engineering, manufacturing and electrical service teams. Notably, we were able to turnaround certain projects in maximum days which otherwise would have taken weeks or months. This collaboration was across the Board, our employees, customers and suppliers, full resources to get these devastated facilities back up and running quickly without jeopardizing safety. As a result of Hurricane Harvey, we lost 8 to 10 days of production at our Houston factories. This negatively impacted our results for the quarter. However, we are very proud of the response by our employees mobilized to help those, whose homes were damaged, both through donations and hands-on rebuilding efforts. We are also proud of our employee's response to our customers. Powell came through these storms as a team; we were able to generate goodwill with our employees, as well as goodwill with our customers and suppliers. I would like to personally thank each and every employee for their courageous efforts during Harvey and our collective recovery. This crisis epitomized our can-do spirit of who we are; a world-class producer that embraces…

Don Madison

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed with your question

Thank you, Brett. Revenues decreased by $35 million to $95 million in the fourth quarter of fiscal '17 compared to the fourth quarter fiscal '16. Compared to last year's fourth quarter domestic revenues decreased by $36 million to $63 million, and international revenues decreased by $1 million to $32 million. The decreases are the results of the decline in our project backlog as we complete existing projects and continue to see lower demand from our customers in our core oil, gas and petrochemical markets. Gross profit as a percentage of revenues decreased to 11% in the fourth quarter of fiscal '17 compared there to 20% in the fourth quarter of fiscal '16. Gross profit decreased by $15 million to $11 million. This decline in gross profit was primarily due to lower revenues, market price pressures and the underutilization of our manufacturing facilities. Selling, general and administrative expenses decreased by 12% or $2 million to $15 million in the fourth quarter of fiscal '17. However, SG&A expenses, as a percentage of revenues, increased to 16% due to lower revenues. In the current quarter, we recorded a benefit for income taxes of $1 million. In the fourth quarter of fiscal '17, we recorded a loss of $5.1 million or $0.45 per share compared to the income of $5.5 million or $0.48 per share in the fourth quarter of fiscal '16. New orders placed in the fourth quarter of fiscal '17 totaled $112 million, compared to $91 million last quarter and $111 million a year ago. Order backlog at year end totaled $250 million compared to a backlog of $233 million at the end of the third quarter and $291 million at the end of last year's fourth quarter. For the 12 months ended September 30, 2017, revenues decreased 30% or $169 million…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of John Franzreb with Sidoti & Company. Please proceed with your question.

John Franzreb

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed with your question

Don, sorry, I got in a little bit late so I might have missed this. Can you quantify the impact Hurricane Harvey had on fourth quarter results?

Don Madison

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed with your question

So John, we talked about it hitting at about two weeks' worth of production at the three Houston based facilities, all three facilities were for hit. The facilities themselves came through the storm pretty well, we did have a number of employees with some pretty dramatic stories and we've worked pretty hard together as a team to get everybody back to work and then our supply base. And then we added some facilities and customers that were hit, so we did a good job recovering revenue, I look at some of the incoming needs against some of the -- all the moving and shaking puts and takes and things that were going on and trying to recover. It was in excess of $1 million and -- but Powell did come up with an exact number.

John Franzreb

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed with your question

Moving onto your outlook for 2018, I guess I'm kind of looking directionally what we should expect. Are we at the low point of the revenue stream and should we think about half of [Technical Difficulty] or is the depth and duration maybe deeper than I was expecting?

Brett Cope

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed with your question

John, I'm sorry, you cut out. Can you repeat your question?

John Franzreb

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed with your question

Sure. Looking into fiscal 2018, I want to -- I'm curious we're at the bottom of the revenue profile and also think about the loss profile for the company be -- will be worse -- more pronounced in the first half or closer to breakeven or above in the second half?

Brett Cope

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed with your question

So, it's hard to say we're at the bottom of the revenue side. If you recall last couple of quarters, one of the big headwinds in '17 were shifts in our loadings and that really -- Q3, if I look at Q3 last year, really had a lot of customers come in and move production schedules on us and our ability to respond in a really tough market was extremely hard, it's always as hard in the project business. So that -- I think still continues today, maybe slightly to a lesser degree as we end Q4, it's still a concern and the overall quality of the backlog as we talked about the overall volume and things that were just really tough, competitive price still tough now but some of that still in that backlog and if things move around or shift, it will impact us going forward. Market wise, as we hit the end of Q4 and kind of start at Q1, base business definitely improved. Off the bottom pricing slightly better than it was six to nine months ago, so that bodes well but the key is to hopefully maintain that. My concern in the near-term is just still a lack of larger projects; so base business is up off the bottom, we're seeing some good health there but still not a lot of $10 million plus type opportunities although as I commented, we are seeing some things in the engineering houses that could bode well for late this year or into '19 if they become funded.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of John Tanwanteng from CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Pete Lucas

Analyst · John Tanwanteng from CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question

Can you talk about the relationship with GE and how the sale of its industrial group will impact the next year or so?

Brett Cope

Analyst · John Tanwanteng from CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question

The actual impacts are unknown. GE is a significant customer to Powell, since the acquisition of the medium voltage line some 10 plus years ago; I think today we've got a very solid relationship with GE and they are a big channel for us in the commercial market, not so much in the heavy industrials and oil and gas core market, balance [ph] -- but what the actual impact will be, what is carried over, how are things inspect; it's something we are watching closely and as ABB takes control of that unit, we've got an ongoing relationship with them as well in other business, so we'll see come mid-year when they get through all of their due diligence.

Pete Lucas

Analyst · John Tanwanteng from CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question

Can you also quantify maybe a little bit more the degree of margin improvement that you are seeing for new orders going into backlog and discuss about how long it will be before you work through some of the lower margins projects out of the current backlog?

Brett Cope

Analyst · John Tanwanteng from CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question

I guess my answer on the pricing is knowing -- look, folks that might be listening in, it's off the bottom and it's more than a point. I'll let Don add some comments. From a cycle standpoint, it is on the frontend only, I wouldn't expect to see the blend in the backlog for another four or five months before we see how it comes out of the backside but my expectation is it will come out as good or better operationally.

Don Madison

Analyst · John Tanwanteng from CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question

Pete, I guess the only thing I would add to that is, the backlog that we currently have in place today will substantially be completed by the end of our second quarter. The work that we're booking today is what we're dependent upon as far as the third and the fourth quarters, and so this kind of goes back to John's question as well, we do expect to see first -- second half over first half improvement but it is all based on what's yet to come relatively to orders.

Pete Lucas

Analyst · John Tanwanteng from CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question

And last one for me, I just want to sure I heard it, right; you talked a little bit about larger projects and hoping to get funding there and maybe see something in '19; is that kind of how we should think about larger projects? Given the current price of oil, are you seeing any benefit from that?

Brett Cope

Analyst · John Tanwanteng from CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question

Again, like you guys, we're looking for the correlation and the matching as well. It does seem in the last quarter from my own visits around some of the engineering houses around the world; there is funded feed activity, that process where they are hiring the engineering houses to design the projects, they go through a lot of cost reductions from where they get funded. So some of these projects are being designed; initially it seems very large, I guess I would believe they are going to get little down depending on what's to oil and what everybody believes but it's a first refreshing sign to see some of these houses hiring engineers and doing more than what ifs and actually scoping out some jobs that could bode very well if oil does support those fundamentals in the future.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of John Dasher with Pinnacle. Please proceed with your question.

John Dasher

Analyst · John Dasher with Pinnacle. Please proceed with your question

I just had a couple of quick questions. What are the plans for the cash, I think you said it was $120 million. I think that's or Euro plus in cash. I know you pay a dividend which is bigger than sustainable for the foreseeable future but are there any specific plans for the cash or what are thinking about in terms of the use of the cash, be it buys backs or potential acquisitions or anything along those lines.

Don Madison

Analyst · John Dasher with Pinnacle. Please proceed with your question

Well, at this point in time -- John this is Don Madison. From a cash perspective, we do need to be cautious from the standpoint that as the market rebounds and our revenues begin to rebound; we will need to have some reserves to fund on working capital. In a project business, a lot of our cash over the last year came from reductions in working capital which will need to be replaced once we see the volume improvements. From the other -- but from beyond that we are looking is to how we can improve the business long-term from a growth and strategic perspective, we have taken evaluations of different opportunities but we are being selective from an acquisition standpoint to make sure that what we do is a strategic value, the compliments what we do and where we want to go across the world. From a share repurchase standpoint, yes, we did won a couple of years ago; it has been discussed from time to time with our Board but at this point in time there are no plans for share repurchase.

John Dasher

Analyst · John Dasher with Pinnacle. Please proceed with your question

And my follow-up, in terms of the acquisitions obviously you're suffering from the single downturn; I would guess some of your competitors are as well. It sounds like you're fairly active on the acquisition front, actually evaluating properties.

Don Madison

Analyst · John Dasher with Pinnacle. Please proceed with your question

Put it this way that we've had discussions to say that we're relatively active; it all depends on a reference point.

Brett Cope

Analyst · John Dasher with Pinnacle. Please proceed with your question

John, this is Brett. So, you know, I've just completed my first year in the role of CEO and certainly those discussions for me with the Board had been -- had been had, we continue to have them, we're involving the management team and as well as some others in the company to talk about what geographic and strategic areas we've been talking about for the last couple of years, makes sense, and talking about what we should do in '18, '19, '20 going forward. So there are active discussions but that's kind of all the further we've got into this point.

John Dasher

Analyst · John Dasher with Pinnacle. Please proceed with your question

I mean, I'm not exaggerating that the money is burning a hole in your pocket but you know, you don't want to look back in two or three years when the cycle has turned and you say there is -- well, we should have brought that company or this company and really it will -- has generated some growth because of those acquisitions.

Brett Cope

Analyst · John Dasher with Pinnacle. Please proceed with your question

We couldn't agree more with you. So far the process by looking at where do we really think as Don said, strategically enhances the technology side where we think we really play nice, the project side geographically, where should we expand our footprint, you know, both important future avenues for Powell that we'll talk about and we'll see how the next couple of quarters go but as Don said, we're also focused in the short-term, I think she heard that we can -- this is truly turnaround in the market because you sustain on the space business, we stay focused on the operation, I think that's strongly a knee reviewer in '18.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] There are no other questions in the queue. I'd like to hand the call back over to Brett Cope, for closing comments.

Brett Cope

Analyst · Sidoti & Company. Please proceed with your question

Thank you, Doug. During 2017 the teams across Powell worked hard to find tuner operations to prepare for the next level of market expansion. And we have to oversell that company that is supported by a streamline infrastructure and by our workforce of highly skilled, energetic and empowered people. While we will continue to monitor our operating costs, we plan to continue to invest in our workforce, our facilities, and our research and development programs, and the target opportunities that couldn't be as Paul's geographic footprint or enhance our strategic capabilities. Rest assured, Palace Foundation is solid and we look forward to a future of not -- just returning to our previous levels performance but exceeding it. Thank you again for your interest in our company. And we look forward to speaking with everyone next quarter.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. Thank you for your participating. You may disconnect your lines this time and have a wonderful day.