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Q2 2017 Earnings Call· Tue, Jul 25, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Hope, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Pentair Second Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the conference over to Jim Lucas, Vice President of Investor Relations, please go ahead.

Jim Lucas

Analyst

Thanks, Hope, and welcome to Pentair’s second quarter 2017 earnings conference call. We’re glad you could join us. I’m Jim Lucas, Vice President of Investor Relations. And with me today is Randy Hogan, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; and John Stauch, our Chief Financial Officer. On today’s call, we will provide details on our second quarter 2017 performance as well as our third quarter and full year 2017 outlook, as outlined in this morning’s release. Before we begin, let me remind you that any statements made about the company’s anticipated financial results are forward-looking statements subject to future risks and uncertainties, such as the risks outlined in Pentair’s most recent 10-Q and today’s release. Forward-looking statements included herein are made as of today and the company undertakes no obligation to update publicly such statements to reflect subsequent events or circumstances. Actual results could differ materially from anticipated results. Today’s webcast is accompanied by a presentation which can be found in the Investors section of Pentair’s website. We will reference these slides throughout our prepared remarks. Any references to non-GAAP financials are reconciled in the appendix of the presentation. We will be sure to reserve time for questions and answers after our prepared remarks. I would like to request that you limit your questions to one and a follow-up in order to ensure everyone an opportunity to ask their questions. I will now turn the call over to Randy.

Randy Hogan

Analyst

Thanks Jim. We’re pleased that our second quarter performance came in slightly out of our expectations. Sales were in line with guidance, while segment income and adjusted EPS slightly exceeded the high end of our range. We completed the sale of our Valves & Controls business during the second quarter and with the proceeds had significantly improved our balance sheet. Later in the call John will discuss the balance sheet in more detail and the impact of the Valves & Controls sales closing somewhat later than our initial timeline. We’ve tightened our full year adjusted EPS guidance to approximately $3.50 per share, which is the midpoint of our prior guidance. We experienced higher than planned interest expense in the first half due to the delay in the Valves & Controls close. And we’ve also seen our share count increase modestly. Offsetting these two headwinds was our better first half operating performance. Performance that we believe is carrying momentum into the second half of the year. Also factored into our tightened guidance is the fact that we will incur some incremental redundant corporate costs in the second half, as we prepared to spin-off our Electrical business next year. With an improving top line, continued margin expansion and a stronger balance sheet, we believe the prospects are bright for both our Water and Electrical businesses exiting 2017. Now let’s turn to Slide 5 for a discussion of our second quarter 2017 results. As mentioned, the second quarter performance was in line with our top line expectations and a little better from an income and adjusted EPS standpoint. Adjusted core sales declined 1% in the quarter, but we’re up 1% for the first half. This is important to mention, because the pool season heated up in March this year as opposed to April…

John Stauch

Analyst

Thank you, Randy. Please turn to Slide number 9, title Balance Sheet and Cash Flow. We ended the second quarter with a dramatically improved balance sheet after using the proceeds from our sale of Valves & Controls to retire a significant portion of our debt. Our ending debt balance was $1.7 billion, which was does not include nearly $200 million of cash on hand at the end of the quarter. We had a strong free cash flow quarter in line with seasonal trends. But our first half performance trailed the comparable period last year due primarily to a couple of higher tax payments in 2017. We continue to target free cash flow equal to adjusted net income for the full year. Our ROIC continue to improve and we ended the quarter at 11.1%. Please turn to the Slide 10, title 2017 Cost Out Update. We provided this slide last quarter as an update on our cost out actions, which are now completed. We are now on track to realize over $80 million of net cost benefits in 2017, which is up slightly from the target we presented last quarter. We remain on track to exit the fourth quarter benefits yielding greater than $100 million of net cost out in 2018. The reorganization activities that we began right after we announced the sale of Valves & Controls are now behind us. And we must now move forward with setting up the organization structures with two independent companies. Please turn to Slide 11, label 2017 Guidance Update. Slide 11 is an update of what we’ve presented last quarter when our strong first quarter operational beat offset higher interest expense due to the delayed closing of the Valves & Controls sale. While we’ve successfully closed the transaction in the second quarter and subsequently…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Steve Tusa with JPMorgan.

Steve Tusa

Analyst

Hey guys, good morning. So Slide 20 talks about you’re shipping days dynamics maybe I’m not sure if you call this out explicitly in the first quarter. But how much do you think it impacted kind of Q2 and maybe quantify how much it will be in kind of Q3, saying it normalizes in the fourth quarter?

John Stauch

Analyst

Yes. It’s somewhere between 1% and 2% impact, Steve.

Steve Tusa

Analyst

Okay. So that’s kind of contemplated obviously in the third quarter guide?

John Stauch

Analyst

Yes. It is.

Randy Hogan

Analyst

Yes.

Steve Tusa

Analyst

Okay. Got it. And then can you just quantify the higher costs in the second half? I mean, I guess from an operating perspective relative to what you were expecting. Did you actually kind of tweak up that operating performance in the second half? What are the sources of that?

John Stauch

Analyst

Yes. I think, as you take a look at the second half obviously we have some benefits from foreign exchange, it’s dropping through it called low double digit benefits. And then we have the stronger organic growth, which is offset slightly by the material and more difficult pricing environment. And then operating wise we would have expected to deliver a little bit more income, but we’re planning to – have to transition to the two corporate structures and bringing on those costs. And then certainly getting back to hopefully a minimal incremental cost as we spend, Steve, but we have to balance all that, while delivering 2017 and standing up two successful public companies in 2018.

Steve Tusa

Analyst

Right. Okay. And then just on this price cost stuff. Can you maybe just give us some color and quantify what you were expecting at the beginning of the year? And then where you are now and what kind of price for that kind of enterprise are you looking at?

Randy Hogan

Analyst

Yes. I’m just overall, Steve, I mean for both Water and Electrical, I’d say that we’re looking at somewhere between $15 million and $20 million headwind for the full year. Some of that realized in Q1 and Q2 and then Q3 and Q4 related to little less benefit from pricing, and a little stronger impact from inflation on the sources side, both of them together.

Steve Tusa

Analyst

Okay. And then just on the pricing side. For the enterprise, what do you expect for the year?

John Stauch

Analyst

Just under a point.

Steve Tusa

Analyst

Positive price.

John Stauch

Analyst

Correct.

Steve Tusa

Analyst

Okay. Great thanks.

John Stauch

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Hammond with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Jeff Hammond

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Hey, good morning guys.

Randy Hogan

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Good morning, Jeff.

Jeff Hammond

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Just back on price cost, can you just talk about what’s driving maybe a little more challenging environment on the pricing side. Are there certain businesses where you’re struggling to get price or is it just a timing issue?

Randy Hogan

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Yes, Jeff. I mean, I think we started the year anticipating the fact that as inflation rises both of our businesses Water and Electrical have historically been able to take advantage of those situations and raise price in the industry and have that price accepted and therefore mitigate most all of the material inflation. I think we were concerned about one issue this year, which was we’ve never had that experience with a stronger U.S. dollar. And we’re seeing the fact that most of the channels that we participate are fighting on price and therefore asking us to absorb and become more productive in serving them. And that’s the way it’s playing out. The good news is there’s a lot more growth and I think we’re all experienced in that growth and we’re able to offset that impact. But it’s generally across the board, Jeff.

Jeff Hammond

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Okay. And can you talk about what your plans are for your second half free cash flow. And as you get closer to the spin how you’re thinking about leverage within the two companies? Thanks.

Randy Hogan

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Yes, Jeff we haven’t – we’re thinking about that. But we’re not in a position to share that yet. We’re running different scenarios and planning for what the capital structure to be at both companies, but we don’t have any information yet.

Jeff Hammond

Analyst · KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Okay. Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Deane Dray with RBC.

Deane Dray

Analyst · RBC.

Thank you. Good morning everyone.

Randy Hogan

Analyst · RBC.

Hey, Deane.

John Stauch

Analyst · RBC.

Good morning.

Deane Dray

Analyst · RBC.

Maybe start with Aquatic. You called out the tough comp in the second quarter. We know weather is the big factor there. And the first half looks like you’re on track. Or anything else other than weather that contributed and was a factor in the second quarter for Aquatic?

Randy Hogan

Analyst · RBC.

When you look at, we had such a strong quarter last year and the season started late, it didn’t start until mid-April. And this year it started early. So we had a great March. And that really explains all the difference. When we look at the sell-through in the channel and we look at the activity in the end market, we think that business is every bit as strong as it has been, hence my comments about it. The 7% growth in the first half is more representative of the kind of growth we expect in the industry. So it’s really just timing.

Deane Dray

Analyst · RBC.

Got it. You also called out a pipeline of new product introductions. Maybe some color there and would any be launched this season? And would they move the needle this season?

Randy Hogan

Analyst · RBC.

They’ll be introduced this season, but they won’t move the needle this season. We continue to be the innovator in the industry. So we’re not going to give up that mantle.

Deane Dray

Analyst · RBC.

Got it. And then over on Electrical. Maybe if you can expand on the infrastructure volatility. What do you actually seeing is this shorter cycle?

Randy Hogan

Analyst · RBC.

It’s really rail related, I mean, if you take a look at commercial and what I would call more traditional industrial is just fine. But the infrastructure, there was an anticipation that we would be spending on roads and bridges. Now here in Minnesota, looks like you what we are, but broadly in the rest of the country, it doesn’t picked-up as much. And then rail spending is off. And that’s for our EFS business, that’s the biggest part of the infrastructure.

Deane Dray

Analyst · RBC.

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Scott Graham with BMO Capital Markets.

Scott Graham

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Hey, good morning.

Randy Hogan

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Hey Scott.

Scott Graham

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

I’m just wondering if you guys can give us a little bit more on the third quarter sales improvement that you’re talking about. Maybe just kind of give us something on the business lines, which you think are going to be the bigger contributors?

John Stauch

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Yes. I think just to mention this, this dynamic between Q1 and Q2 that Randy mentioned is roughly $20 million of revenue in pool that shifted amongst the two quarters. And so, when you take a look at Q3 and where we’re shooting for the core organic growth rate, I mean, it’s not – that one item generally explains it and then a little bit easier comparisons in some of our businesses like Enclosures and Electrical and then ultimately water technologies in Water. So it’s really about keeping the same general shipment rate that we saw in Q2 and then just the comparison year-over-year in Q3.

Scott Graham

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Okay. And then further on that John within Water I know that you guys are – let’s just say, quietly deemphasizing some of the businesses there. Was there a half a point or a point drag or nothing discernible?

John Stauch

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Yes. I’d say somewhere around a half a point is a fair estimate. And I mean, Randy has asked both Beth and I to look at the types of things that maybe we could have done $5 billion company that might not make sense in $3 billion and $2 billion company. So we’re both actively looking at our infrastructures and support primarily in fast growth region…

Randy Hogan

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

And the initiatives.

John Stauch

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

And initiatives, and we’re trying to make sure that those projects are eliminated and also that we’re addressing how to serve each of the regions that we serve in a more effective way.

Scott Graham

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Got you. Last question is on the incremental separation cost, you’re talking about within the guidance. We can see that roll through corporate or is that going to be within the volumes?

John Stauch

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Actually most of that will roll through what we have in the Electrical business, Scott.

Scott Graham

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Very good. Thanks.

John Stauch

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Julian Mitchell with Credit Suisse.

Ronnie Weiss

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Hey, guys. Ronnie Weiss on for Julian.

Randy Hogan

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Hey, good morning.

Ronnie Weiss

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Good morning. On the free cash flow big, big cash inflow from the working capital as sales ramp in Q3 and Q4. Do you guys kind of assume the same kind of benefit going through? And just talk a little bit about the improvements being made there.

Randy Hogan

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

We’re seeing normal seasonality, we see that because particularly Water is so seasonal. The cash flows are following the normal pattern with a negative cash flow in the first quarter a big pickup in the second quarter and then continue to building in the third and fourth. I wouldn’t expect the pattern to be any different.

Ronnie Weiss

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Got it. And then just on the margins for Q3, guided up 70 basis points, a lot stronger in Q2. Is all of that contributed to some of the stronger material cost headwinds you’re seeing? Or is there some mix issue in there as well. Just talk a little bit about that.

Randy Hogan

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Yes. There’s a little bit of mix issue, I mean, it is not the strongest pool quarter. Our Aquatic’s businesses got a pretty good margin. So that’s the only mix issue and the rest is just Q2 performance carryover to Q3.

Ronnie Weiss

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Got it. Thanks.

Randy Hogan

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of John Walsh with Vertical Research.

John Walsh

Analyst · Vertical Research.

Hi, good morning.

Randy Hogan

Analyst · Vertical Research.

Hey, John.

John Stauch

Analyst · Vertical Research.

Good morning.

John Walsh

Analyst · Vertical Research.

Just wanted to know, if we get a little finer point on the full-year Electrical margin. So we’re now at 22%, you talked about a couple of different items impacting that. Just want to know if we can deconstruct those buckets, it looks like there’s some overlapping costs that sit there, we had the commodity discussion. Maybe there’s some mix impact as well. But maybe if you can talk about it from that 23% to the 22% in that kind of walk.

Randy Hogan

Analyst · Vertical Research.

Where is the 23 come in front of you? Okay, let’s go. So, I mean, it really is just one item. And it’s the fact that we are now projecting for the rest of the year what we believe the realized price and the realized material inflation will be and that is the only difference between the two forecasts.

John Walsh

Analyst · Vertical Research.

Okay. And then just kind of one point of clarification for the models, is the large project impact for the next quarter is $27 million. Is that’s the right ballpark number we should be using?

Randy Hogan

Analyst · Vertical Research.

You’re talking about for the – in Electrical?

John Walsh

Analyst · Vertical Research.

Yes. For the entire, I guess, it’s primarily Electrical for the entire company. Can you walk back through the adjusted core?

John Stauch

Analyst · Vertical Research.

Yes. For Q3 that’s right.

John Walsh

Analyst · Vertical Research.

Okay.

John Stauch

Analyst · Vertical Research.

And then slightly less than $10 million in Q4.

John Walsh

Analyst · Vertical Research.

All right, great. Thank you, appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Josh Pokrzywinski with Wolfe Research.

Randy Hogan

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

Hello, Mr. Pokrzywinski.

Josh Pokrzywinski

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

Good morning. John, can you just talk about some of the seasonality in – I suspect it’s Thermal in the fourth quarter or just the uptick in the Electrical growth in the fourth quarter. I get the comp as easier but it still seems like there’s a lot of push out in especially some of these larger energy projects. Can you talk about maybe the 3Q to 4Q walk there and maybe the seasonality of margins that gets attached as well?

John Stauch

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

Yes, I’ll start it and I’ll have Randy as we color. But I mean, one of the things we’re finally realizing and we saw it happen in Q2 is refining and moving into positive territory on the MRO and the aftermarket and small projects on the Thermal side. So we’ve seen a really good uptick in our Thermal revenue in the heat-tracing side especially related to the downstream maintenance that we’ve anticipated for some period of time. So that’s a big positive and then as we move into Q3 and Q4 that is the season that Thermal certainly benefits from the industry and the anticipation, the cold weather…

Randy Hogan

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

Yes, both commercial and industrial. Particularly as winter cools-off I guess, winter heats up is rather its better term. That’s really Thermal’s biggest season. And the nice thing is the smaller projects and the products MRO it’s a better mix of business. So, I’m pretty please right now with the progress we’re making in Thermal. So each side, Water seasonal business is obviously the pool. And on the Electrical side the business that really experiences the seasonality of Thermal. And then everything else is steady state throughout the year.

Josh Pokrzywinski

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

Got you. So this is just a small project MRO phenomenon, there is really – there’s nothing else do you guys have anticipated in the backlog.

Randy Hogan

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

No, no.

Josh Pokrzywinski

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

Okay. And then just one more from me, square away some of the – maybe put a finer point on the corporate headwinds or I guess costs headwinds related to this spend versus where we’re coming out on currency versus where we’re coming out on inflation. I know the walk that you guys gave in the deck, had some higher level comments but it seems like everything I just mentioned be more of a second half dynamic that can really get bridged out per se.

Randy Hogan

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

So Josh, if you want us to square away – are you an old Navy guy? Square away, it’s pretty good. Anyhow, so as we set up the – we’re really standing up to companies, we have an open CFO job, we have two open CHRO jobs, we want to get these jobs hired, we want to get – so there’s going to be some overlapping as people come and go. But those all go to the P&L. And those are just a couple of examples. But as John said, our objective is to minimize any leakage if you will at the corporate cost level in another words we minimize any additions once we’re on a separate run rate in the two companies.

Josh Pokrzywinski

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

So I guess maybe from a high level, should we think about currency and inflation is being a push then?

John Stauch

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

Yes, a couple of things. I mean, keep in mind we’re raising our income $10 million and that’s going to cover shares in the back half of the year. If you think about it, we have some benefit from foreign exchange as I mentioned, that’s low double digits. Call that roughly $10 million, we have some operational benefits and revenue benefits. And then we’re offsetting the combination of the slightly higher material cost and the incremental transition cost of the corporate side. Josh, that’s the positive $10 million in the outlook. So I don’t want to quantify it because we don’t know it, right? But we have to manage it while delivering 2017 and also stand up both public companies in 2018.

Josh Pokrzywinski

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

Understood. Thanks for the color.

John Stauch

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Joe Ritchie with Goldman Sachs.

Joe Ritchie

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Thanks. Good morning guys.

Randy Hogan

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Good morning.

Joe Ritchie

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Maybe just kind of stand on inflation for a second, kind of the emerging themes we’ve been hearing about this quarter is raising steel costs and the inability for a lot of the companies that we cover to pass on those costs. You guys are talking about a little bit more inflation, in the back half of the year. Maybe just touch on that topic and how much of your business is impacted by steel?

John Stauch

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Yes, we buy roughly a couple of hundred million dollars of steel, the end markets that utilize the steel, probably somewhere around, $1.5 billion, Randy. So, I mean, material is not the highest cost of our – I mean it’s the highest costs, but it’s not the huge percentage of the revenue. But it’s a phenomenon, that usually when inflation comes, we can pass it along. And I think this year, as we said earlier and I made this comment, we’d never dealt with the stronger dollar before and there are competitors on at Europe, who have a better cost position then they did have a year before. And so you’re hearing these things about price transparency and the Internet and everything else, like that. I don’t think our products are really installed in that way or affected by it. But I do ultimately think that we’ve got a cost conscious end-user. And that challenges being pushed on our channel and we are being expected to absorb the majority of the costs this year. And it’s reflected in our guidance and I think that as we go forward, we’ll look at the opportunities to adjust that appropriately as we ahead into 2018.

Joe Ritchie

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Got it, okay. That’s fair. I guess maybe, my one follow-on question, I don’t think we’ve touched on it yet, is really on the Enclosures business. So you called out, good industrial strength, within the quarter, core growth is still down slightly. And you mentioned that you had telecom headwinds are going to alleviate, as comps get easier, after 2Q. So can you just maybe talk about the trajectory, from here, when you expect this business to drive the positive organic growth?

Randy Hogan

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Yes, we expect a better second half for sure. Actually on the telecom side, we had some big projects there, that are just they haven’t reloaded yet and we’re hopefully it will. But they haven’t. So that’s why it was negative in the second quarter. I think in the third and fourth quarter that will be – that it will still be a drag. But it won’t be as bad. And Industrial, despite the more challenging price environment, the volume is good. And that’s a really profitable business for us on the Industrial side. But many of you know is our Hoffman brand, so, that’s the big driver, Hoffman doing better. So we’ll have – we expect to have low single digit core growth in Q3.

Joe Ritchie

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Got it. And just a follow-up, real quickly on that, on the pricing side do you expect the pricing to get better in this business as well, in the second half?

Randy Hogan

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

No, we think that the pricing dynamic in Q2 continues to move forward into Q3 and Q4.

Joe Ritchie

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Okay, great, thank guys.

Randy Hogan

Analyst · Goldman Sachs.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Brian Drab with William Blair.

Brian Drab

Analyst · William Blair.

Hi good morning, thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to, step back to the Thermal business for a second. And you said Thermal MRO was picking up, can you comment specifically on whether you’re seeing that in a particular end-market, oil and gas versus power-gen or general industrial?

Randy Hogan

Analyst · William Blair.

It’s really – what’s happened in capital spending, across those, it’s normalized, right. In oil and gas, there was a huge decline and basically it was a rough justice. They cut everything and now they are on capital level, so they returned finally to normal. So it’s actually oil and gas and industrial, it’s chemicals, it’s really across the board. Now CapEx is better in petrochemical, the petrochemical side and in some of the other industrial side. So we talk about Hoffman being up in industrial – general industrial.

Brian Drab

Analyst · William Blair.

Okay, okay thanks. And then, on the petrochemical side or in any other end-market, and in any other geography, are you starting to see any large projects in the pipeline?

Randy Hogan

Analyst · William Blair.

No and it really hasn’t been our focus, as I mentioned, we do really well, when large projects happen. And so we’re not focused on those, and we’ll do well when they come back. Our focus is making sure, we are getting more than our lion share in the smaller projects and I’m really pleased with the progress that we’re making on that. And that’s really around the world.

Brian Drab

Analyst · William Blair.

Okay. And then I did want to ask, because you made the comment that you are doing some work to realign the Thermal business, is that world of small orders, can you comment more specifically on what is being done to drive that realignment?

Randy Hogan

Analyst · William Blair.

Well, I mean it was a reduction in force and redeployment areas, where business from where there isn’t?

Brian Drab

Analyst · William Blair.

Okay, got it. And just one last, very broad question as you step back and look at these two separate operating companies and kind of the world that where in today for example for Thermal, it’s a very challenging operating environment. But what do you think; the long-term growth rate is for each of these businesses, at this point across all the cycle?

Randy Hogan

Analyst · William Blair.

Right now, we’ve got some really great work, defining the strategies in each of water and electrical. And when that whole strategy work is done, we will tell you exactly, what we think the growth rates, that we believe we’ll achieve these two separate companies will be. But I’m not going to pre-suppose that, I’ll let John.

John Stauch

Analyst · William Blair.

Hey, Brian, I just want to clarify one thing, the Thermal environment is actually improving, significantly for us. I mean we have these large projects year-over-year, which we’re calling out. But inside of the actual Thermal business, we’re seeing substantial margin increase. And we’re getting back to record, and in fact, we’ve cleared what we call record highs of margins at this period of business that we’ve experienced before. Again part of that is the focus that Randy shared with you. But if you take those projects out, we’re growing nicely and we’re expanding margin significantly.

Brian Drab

Analyst · William Blair.

Yes. Thanks for that clarification John. I guess I was just referring to the large projects, kind of not being in the picture, anymore. Thank you, got it.

Randy Hogan

Analyst · William Blair.

We’re looking forward to talking about.

Brian Drab

Analyst · William Blair.

Right got it. Thank you.

John Stauch

Analyst · William Blair.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Nathan Jones with Stifel.

Nathan Jones

Analyst · Stifel.

Good morning everyone.

Randy Hogan

Analyst · Stifel.

Good morning, Nathan.

John Stauch

Analyst · Stifel.

Good morning, Nathan.

Nathan Jones

Analyst · Stifel.

A couple of questions on the Water business, you talked about softness in the pump business there. Can you talk about what you’re seeing in terms of end market demand in municipal water market, whether you think you are performing in line with the market, better or worse?

John Stauch

Analyst · Stifel.

Well, I think the market is definitely improving, we’re seeing the backlog begin to build. The break and fix is certainly being invested in and I think we expect to get back to core revenue growth there, as Randy mentioned, towards the tail end of this year and definitely into 2018. Are we performing with the end market? I would say, no. I think there is an opportunity here, for us to commit to where we think, we should be and play consistently in those spaces. And I think we’ve been chasing the opportunities around the world and we need to get back to our core netting and be better at what we do. And I think that’s huge opportunity for this business.

Nathan Jones

Analyst · Stifel.

Maybe you could talk a little bit more about what you need to change there in order to get back in line with the market, maybe where you are playing that you shouldn’t be, where you should be focused?

John Stauch

Analyst · Stifel.

When you are everywhere, you don’t seem to have focus. What Randy is been challenging, the team on and which I am going to take the [indiscernible] and continue to drive with focus, focus, focus. I think this is a business that’s good at, North American infrastructure. And we are good at global fire and that’s where we need to spend our time and energy on the engineered side in those two areas and continue to be good at those two things.

Nathan Jones

Analyst · Stifel.

That’s helpful and then just a question on the new products pipeline. You talked about that continuing to grow. Can you maybe give us a little more color on what kind of things are in the pipeline? When they are expected to come to market, maybe what kind of impact that could have?

John Stauch

Analyst · Stifel.

Yes, I think most of – just to give you some color and I don’t want to get to ahead of ourselves here, but a lot of the products that Randy mentioned are related to home automation certainly and the way that we can play within that space and provide the types of things that our end consumers are looking for, utilizing that capability. We’ve always been the leader in pool innovation and we’ve got some exciting new product lines coming out, to take advantage of those home automation themes and that the way that people want to continue to use their backyard and benefit from that experience. So I think we’ll start to roll that out, certainly around our Analyst Day and limit to our expectations. And I think we’ve got some exciting things in the pipeline.

Nathan Jones

Analyst · Stifel.

All right. Thanks very much.

Randy Hogan

Analyst · Stifel.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Robert Barry with Susquehanna.

Robert Barry

Analyst · Susquehanna.

Hey guys, good morning.

Randy Hogan

Analyst · Susquehanna.

Good morning.

John Stauch

Analyst · Susquehanna.

Good morning.

Robert Barry

Analyst · Susquehanna.

So I wanted to clarify the update, the P&L segment income now up 6%, so was that the net impact of better core growth offset partially by the weaker price cost, and that’s a net $10 million improvement, is that?

Randy Hogan

Analyst · Susquehanna.

Yes.

Robert Barry

Analyst · Susquehanna.

How to summarize it?

Randy Hogan

Analyst · Susquehanna.

Yes.

Robert Barry

Analyst · Susquehanna.

Got you. And then just a follow-up on the working capital question, I mean bottom line is working capital, a source or use of cash this year on continuing ops?

Randy Hogan

Analyst · Susquehanna.

It’s a slight use.

Robert Barry

Analyst · Susquehanna.

Okay. And then, just to clarify the interest, you talked about higher interest expense. I think the outlook for interest is the same at $85 million?

Randy Hogan

Analyst · Susquehanna.

That’s rounding Rob, it was a little higher in the first half, as we talked about, but it’s rounding.

Robert Barry

Analyst · Susquehanna.

Got you, okay. Thanks guys.

Randy Hogan

Analyst · Susquehanna.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions, at this time. I would now like to turn the floor back over to Mr. Randy Hogan for any closing remarks.

Randy Hogan

Analyst

Thanks, Hope. 2017 has been another eventful year for Pentair, as we’ve successfully divested our Valves & Controls business. Significantly strengthen our balance sheet, with those proceeds. Delivered our first half commitments and announce that we’re separating our Water and Electrical businesses into two standalone companies. We remain confident in our ability to drive double digit adjusted EPS growth for the year, as our focus remains on delivering the second half of 2017, against our commitments while standing up, two public companies. Thank you for your continued interest in Pentair and we’ll talk to you soon. Bye.

Operator

Operator

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