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PennantPark Investment Corporation (PNNT)

Q2 2015 Earnings Call· Thu, May 7, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Good morning and welcome to the PennantPark Investment Corporation's Second Fiscal Quarter 2015 Earnings Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, all participants have been placed in a listen-only mode. The call will be open for a question-and-answer session following the speakers' remarks. [Operator Instructions]. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Mr. Art Penn, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of PennantPark Investment Corporation. Mr. Penn, you may begin your conference.

Art Penn

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. I'd like to welcome you to PennantPark Investment Corporation's second fiscal quarter 2015 earnings conference call. I'm joined today by Aviv Efrat, our Chief Financial Officer. Aviv, please start-off by disclosing some general conference call information and include a discussion about forward-looking statements.

Aviv Efrat

Analyst

Thank you, Art. I'd like to remind everyone that today's call is being recorded. Please note that this call is a property of PennantPark Investment Corporation and that any unauthorized broadcast of this call in any form is strictly prohibited. Audio replay of the call will be available by using the telephone numbers and PIN provided in our earnings press release as well as our web site. I'd also like to call your attention to the customary Safe Harbor disclosure in our press release regarding forward-looking information. Today's conference call may also include forward-looking statements and projections, and we ask that you refer to our most recent filings with the SEC for important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these projections. We do not undertake to update our forward-looking statements unless required by law. To obtain copies of our latest SEC filings, please visit our website at www.pennantpark.com or call us at 212-905-1000. At this time, I'd like to turn the call back to our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Art Penn.

Art Penn

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Thank you, Aviv. I am going to spend a few minutes discussing current market conditions, followed by a discussion of investment activities, the portfolio, the financials, our overall strategy, and then open it up for Q&A. As you all know, the economic signals are moderately positive. Many economists are expecting a slowly growing economy going forward. With regard to the more capital markets, and in particular, the leverage alone high yield markets, during the quarter ended March 31, those markets experienced stress, due to cash coming from CLL formation, and substantial repayment activity. Contributing to the stress, was a modest rebound in oil prices, which to some extent, calmed investor fears. Middle market M&A activity was muted in the quarter. We are seeing more active environments since quarter end, and are hopeful that activity and attractive supply will be realized for the remainder of the year. As debt investors and lenders, a slow growth economy is fine, as long as we have underwritten capital structures prudently, a healthy current coupon with deleveraging from free cash flow over time, is a favorable outcome. We remain focused on long term value and making investments that will perform well over several years, and can withstand different business cycles. Our focus continues to be on companies or structures, that are more defensive, have low leverage, strong covenants and high returns. With plenty of drypowder, we are well positioned to take advantage of investment opportunities as they arise. As credit investors, one of our primary goals is preservation of capital. If we preserve capital, usually the upside takes care of itself. As a business, one of our primary goals is building long term trust. Our focus is on building long term trust with our portfolio of companies, management teams, financial sponsors, intermediaries, our credit providers,…

Aviv Efrat

Analyst

Thank you, Art. For the quarter ended March 31, 2015, recurring net investment income totaled $0.24 per share. In addition, we had $0.05 per share of other income, net of fees and as a result, total net investment income for the quarter was $0.29 per share. Looking at some of the expense categories; management fees totaled $12.3 million, general and administrative expenses totaled $1.7 million and interest expense totaled $6.6 million. During the quarter ended March 31, net realized gains on investments was $9.5 million or $0.13 per share. Unrealized losses from investments, was $24.8 million or $0.33 per share, and unrealized gains from our debt was $600,000 or $0.01 per share. Excess net income over dividends was about $1 million or $0.01 per share. Consequently, entity per share went down $0.18 from $10.43 to $10.25 per share. As a reminder, our entire portfolio, credit facility and senior notes are mark-to-market by our Board of Directors each quarter, using the exit price provided by independent valuation firms, securities and exchanges or independent broker/dealer quotations, when active markets are available under ASC 820 and 825. In cases where broker/dealer quotes are inactive, we use independent valuation firms to value the investments. Our overall debt portfolio had a weighted average yield of 12.4%. On March 31st, our portfolio consisted of 67 companies across 31 different industries and was invested 27% in senior secured debt, 47% in second-lien secured debt, 17% in subordinated debt and 9% in preferred and common equity. 68% of the portfolio has a floating rate, including 61% with the floor and the average LIBOR floor is 1.3%. Now let me turn the call back to Art.

Art Penn

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Thanks Aviv. To conclude, we want to reiterate our mission. Our goal is a steady, stable and consistent dividend stream, coupled with long term preservation of capital. Everything we do is aligned to that goal. We try to find less risky middle market companies that have high free cash flow conversion. We capture that free cash flow primarily in debt instruments, and we pay out those contractual cash flows in the form of dividends to our shareholders. In closing, I'd like to thank our extremely talented team of professionals for their commitment and dedication. Thank you all for your time today, and for your continued investment and confidence in us. That concludes our remarks. At this time, I would like to open up the call to questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. We will take our first question from Troy Ward with KBW. Please go ahead.

Troy Ward

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Great. Thank you and good morning Art and Aviv. Real quick, Art, couple of movements in the portfolio on the credit side. I saw, it looks like you restructured JF, can you just give us some detail around that, and it looks like, maybe you have put in more capital. Could you provide some color there?

Art Penn

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Sure. JF acquisition is a distributor of gas pumps, and it has been having some bumps in the road for a while. Last quarter, we put a non-accrual. The results have continued to slide, unfortunately, due to a failed ERP software implementation and some accounting, and as a result -- resulted in some accounting issues. So that restructuring was done. We converted our debt into equity, we put more equity in. We own about 37% of the company, MidOcean is the original sponsor, who put a bigger equity check in. They own a bigger piece of the equity. We are hopeful like some of the other restructurings that we have had over time, that had equity, will help us recover value over time. Certainly, it's very disappointing for us.

Troy Ward

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

And you said gas pumps. Remind me though, that's on the retail side, not necessarily the industrial drilling side, correct?

Art Penn

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

That's right. This is -- you know, you go down to the corner gas station.

Troy Ward

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Okay, great. And then I believe, DirectBuy on non-accrual this quarter as JF came off, so that's still two in the non-accrual, can you speak to the DirectBuy?

Art Penn

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Sure, DirectBuy has been undergoing a business transition. They are changing their business model, the one where it's more of an ongoing relationship with their customers and a onetime payment. So while it's in transition, we put it on non-accrual. It's not going to certainly be paying us cash interest for a while, as that company undergoes, hopefully, a transition.

Troy Ward

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Okay. And then, can you speak a little bit, Art, about kind of the different investment places in the capital structure? I think over a multiyear period, you really kept PNNT kind of focused in the same point in the capital structure, and that is the true subordinated, we call traditional mezz. And while, many other peers maybe in the BDC space, have moved up and down the capital structure. I think maybe in the more recent quarters, we have seen actually some BDCs move, more into second lien. We have seen, maybe where -- they went to senior prior, they are starting to maybe back up a little bit in the capital structure. Can you just speak to where you think the attractiveness is or maybe has changed? Has there been any change in the attractiveness of the different pieces in the capital structure?

Art Penn

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

That's a great question, when we setup PNNT eight years ago, we always anticipated and viewed it as a publicly traded mezzanine debt fund. And sometimes that mezzanine -- traditional mezz debt, sometimes it means second lien. Second lien is subordinated and has some protections that make it slightly better than traditional subordinated debt, but we still view it as subordinated debt. And in certain cases, when we can get an appropriate yield on first lien or in this market, stretch virtually or unit tranche, that's a piece of the portfolio as well. And why have we done that? We have focused on having a certain ROE for our shareholders, to make the math work, we want a double digit ROE. We need to find investments with the yields. The exception was of course, in 2008, 2009, 2010, when you can move up capital structure and buy first lien and get mezzanine returns, of course, we did that. That was the best, and PNNT at that time did move up capital structure. And if that type of market happens again, then of course, PNNT will move up. But we are very focused on our box, and our box is kind of a double digit ROE, being very conservative with what we underwrite, it means in certain cases, we grow, in certain cases we shrink. We shrank this past quarter, and if that's the right answer, because the risk/reward in the market are not available to us. So beat it, we will shrink. As you know Troy, we don't come to the office everyday, and talk about how we grow. We talk about, is there a good yield to do, and PNNT has had somewhat muted growth over the last couple of years, as a result of that.

Troy Ward

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Great. That's all for me. Thanks.

Art Penn

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We will take our next question from Doug Mewhirter with SunTrust. Please go ahead.

Doug Mewhirter

Analyst · SunTrust. Please go ahead

Hi, good morning. My first question actually, you covered very thoroughly about your non-accruals, I appreciate that detail. My second question, about your energy investments, I mean, it's nice to see growth that these guys have to get pretty creative on maintaining their business and their cash flows. With the recent pop in energy prices into the 50s, at least on the future markets, have any of your borrowers taken the opportunity to maybe put on some more hedges with the pop to maybe protect -- sort of extend that protection out a little longer, or is sort of the clock still running on their existing hedges?

Art Penn

Analyst · SunTrust. Please go ahead

They haven't yet put on hedges, as oil has moved back up to $60. We still reiterate, that what we said last quarter is, we hoped kind of a year from now, oil will be in the 70s, and in that case, we think these companies will be fine. In the meantime, as we have said with both Ram and New Gulf there, shedding non-core assets, trying to create liquidity and make it through the cycle. Certainly, we are feeling better, now that oil is over $60. We had no guarantee that's going to stay over $60 or go higher or go down again. You can spend all day, every day, thinking about where oil is going to be, with no real certainty. So these companies are doing what they need to do to preserve their liquidity and make it through.

Doug Mewhirter

Analyst · SunTrust. Please go ahead

And just to clarify something on Ram and New Gulf, where they made some non-core asset sales. You said Ram Energy paid down a little bit of debt, and that New Gulf cut some cash from their midstream sales. Any of that cash, here or both cases, come back to you, or did they pay down other debt, or just keep the cash on hand?

Art Penn

Analyst · SunTrust. Please go ahead

Well in Ram, it paid down some debt, and then they keep the cash on hand to pay us interest and to operate.

Doug Mewhirter

Analyst · SunTrust. Please go ahead

Okay. But New Gulf, they sort of just maintain they are on liquidity, they didn't pay the --

Art Penn

Analyst · SunTrust. Please go ahead

That's right.

Doug Mewhirter

Analyst · SunTrust. Please go ahead

Thanks. That's all my questions.

Art Penn

Analyst · SunTrust. Please go ahead

Thanks Doug.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. We will take the next question from Chris York with JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Chris York

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead

Good morning guys and thanks for taking my questions. So I just wanted to touch a little bit more on your views for the competitive environment, and more specifically, what is the exit or what is your view of the exit of GE Capital from the sponsor finance business, due to your opportunity set, and then potentially, opportunities to add new employees?

Art Penn

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead

It’s a great question, its very early to tell what the GE follow-on would be if any, depends on how it all plays through. We still like the middle market long run obviously. We are very optimistic about what we all do in the BDC world. GE turmoil, if it were to happen, would present opportunities for all of us, whether it be in assets or market share, or talented people. So our ears are to the ground, we are opportunistic, we certainly wish the GE folks the best, we have many friends over there, and whatever will be, will be, we like the overall marketplace.

Chris York

Analyst · JMP Securities. Please go ahead

Great. That's it for me. Thanks Art.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Jonathan Bock with Wells Fargo Securities.

Greg Nelson

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Hey guys, this is actually Greg in for Jon. Couple of quick questions; so first on, I believe [indiscernible] was marked down pretty substantially. Now this is a deal, where there is a debt exchange late in 2013, and you guys actually put in additional capital, expressing comfort with the credit. So just wanted to get your thoughts around that?

Art Penn

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

It’s a great question. It was markdown this quarter for a couple of reasons. Number one, the strength of the dollar, they have significant foreign operations. Number two, they have had an issue with a large client, so that has resulted in the markdown. We still believe in the long run that the asset value is there, the sum of the parts should mean we get our whole line [ph] on our debt, if not, have some equity value. So we still believe that thesis when we did the workout or restructuring couple of years ago, they bought themselves nearly three years of time to operate. So we still believe in investment thesis to mark-to-market at this point, and we will continue to monitor and be on it, and that's kind of the answer to the question.

Greg Nelson

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Sure. And then obviously, everyone appreciates the repurchase program that you announced certain grants on that. But so, one question on that, as you're thinking about utilization, obviously, it’s a program that's more subject to restrictions and timing restrictions relative to some 10B51 programs. So just to get your thoughts on utilization, and then also, how you think of utilization as an inherent investment in your current portfolio, where NAVs declined 10% over the past four quarters?

Art Penn

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

We believe in the portfolio, which is one of the reasons we authorized this plan, and we wouldn’t have authorized the plan, unless we were going to use it.

Greg Nelson

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

All right. Thanks for taking my questions.

Art Penn

Analyst · Wells Fargo Securities

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question today comes from Christopher Nolan with MLV and Company. Please go ahead.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst · MLV and Company. Please go ahead

Art, can you give a little detail in terms of the incremental write-down on Ram Energies?

Art Penn

Analyst · MLV and Company. Please go ahead

I mean, that was just I think, it went from 90 to 88. There was nothing really, just what the valuation firms came up with, it was not material, and that's what they came up with this quarter versus the 90 last quarter.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst · MLV and Company. Please go ahead

And [indiscernible] the right times in the energy sector, does that reflect the EBITDA for these companies, or does it also reflect the potential, I guess, nervousness of banks that might hold a revolver, until it basically precipitates some sort of --?

Art Penn

Analyst · MLV and Company. Please go ahead

No, this is all mark-to-market. I mean, we still believe on these names, that we are covered by asset value, than in the long run, we will get all of our money back. But when energy goes down a big chunk, like it did over the last six months, you have to recognize that in your mark-to-market, otherwise put your head in the sands. So there has been a mark-to-market and the biggest chunk of our unrealized losses over the last couple of quarters had been due to that. Again, we reaffirm that our energy exposures is covered by assets, and we feel good about it.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst · MLV and Company. Please go ahead

Final question on the repurchase, at what price level, share price levels do you start -- the returns on the repurchase start looking more attractive than actually making incremental investments?

Art Penn

Analyst · MLV and Company. Please go ahead

Again, we wouldn't have made this announcement, unless we intended to actually execute. So we don't disclose that, but we made the announcement with the intent that we will buy stock back.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst · MLV and Company. Please go ahead

Great. Thanks for taking my questions.

Art Penn

Analyst · MLV and Company. Please go ahead

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. We will go next to Andrew Kerai with BDC Income Fund. Please go ahead.

Andrew Kerai

Analyst

Yes. Hi good morning and thank you for taking my questions. I mean, I apologize, if it was asked already, but in terms of Ram Energy, I noticed you reclassed that from, a non-controlled non-affiliate holding to an affiliate investment. Obviously they have -- the B tranche has maturity coming up here later this year. Was there any change in sort of, I guess, your seat at the table from a voting rights perspective, or just any reasoning behind the reclass would be helpful?

Art Penn

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

That's a great question. When we did the deal originally, we set some thresholds for getting paid back on that term B, and if we weren't paid back by certain period of time, we would get warrants. So we are just over the 5% equity ownership threshold as of 3/31, that's why it got classified that way.

Andrew Kerai

Analyst

Okay, great. That certainly makes sense, and then just a follow-up on the energy as well. With oil obviously close to 3/31, sort of moving up here, seeing, I think -- if you look at WTI, it's above $60 now, is there any potential for, I guess maybe, at least marginal write-ups for some of the investments that had markdowns over the past couple of quarters?

Art Penn

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

We are certainly encouraged by oil prices being up a little bit. You would think, the mark-to-market on the portfolio would be somewhat related to oil prices, because it certainly was on the way down. We will see, we will see if its substantial enough, as we work with the independent valuation firms, and we see where the market prices of comparable securities, that's really what drives it, where are the comparable securities, whether it'd be debt or equity that are in the liquid markets, and our independent valuation firms take their cues from that.

Andrew Kerai

Analyst

Great. That certainly makes sense. Then just on the buyback again, with the earnings out now, and basically, I guess, you guys had a quite period. There is nothing restricting you, at this point, for example repurchasing stock this week or even today, right?

Art Penn

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

That's correct.

Andrew Kerai

Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you and congrats again on the buyback. We certainly appreciate the color and look forward to you guys, hopefully utilizing a material portion of this.

Art Penn

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

And with no questions remaining, I'd like to turn the call back over to management for any additional or closing comments.

Art Penn

Analyst · KBW. Please go ahead

Just want to thank everybody for being on the call today. We look forward to speaking to you next quarter.