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Playboy, Inc. (PLBY)

Q1 2025 Earnings Call· Thu, May 15, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to PLBY Group's First Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Matt Chesler. Thank you. You may begin.

Matt Chesler

Analyst

Thank you, operator, and good afternoon, everyone. I'd like to remind you that the information discussed today is qualified in its entirety by the Form 8-K and Form 10-Q filed today by PLBY Group, which may be accessed on the SEC's website and on PLBY Group's website. Today's call is also being webcast, and a replay will be posted to the company's Investor Relations website. Please note that statements made during this call, including financial projections or other statements that are not historical in nature may constitute forward-looking statements. Such statements are made on the basis of PLBY Group's views and assumptions regarding future events and business performance at the time they are made, and we do not undertake any obligation to update these statements. Forward-looking statements are subject to risks and could cause the company's actual results to differ from its historical results and forecasts, including those set forth in the company's filings with the SEC and you should refer to and carefully consider those for more information. This cautionary statement applies to all forward-looking statements made during this call do not place undue reliance on any forward-looking statements. During this [indiscernible] company may refer to non-GAAP financial measures. Such non-GAAP measures are not prepared in accordance with [indiscernible]

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, please stand by. We're having some technical difficulties. Matt, you may proceed.

Matt Chesler

Analyst

With that, I will hand the call back over to the operator to begin the Q&A session. Operator?

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. And our first question comes from the line of George Kelly with ROTH Capital Partners. Please proceed with your question.

George Kelly

Analyst

Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. First, if we could start with Honey Birdette. I was wondering if you could give us your expectations just as you look out for the next couple of quarters with respect to growth. And like when does the compare for the discounting quarters last year, when does that compare ease? And then also with gross margin, should we expect much sort of change in gross margin in the near term?

Marc Crossman

Analyst

Hi, George, it's Marc. In terms of comps, we're lapping after the first quarter. So in the second quarter, we're going to be up against an easy comparable from a sales standpoint, and we're already seeing that we're ahead of plan right now in the second quarter. So things look good at Honey Birdette. Do you have a second part to that question?

George Kelly

Analyst

Yes, just on the near-term gross margin expectations there, too. And I guess the second part of that would be any kind of impact from Chinese tariffs?

Marc Crossman

Analyst

Yes. So the near term, right now, all the product that we're selling pretty much in the second quarter is a product that was brought in prior to the tariffs. When we look at the tariff impact going into 3Q and 4Q, it's tough to quantify right now, if you were to assume the tariffs that they have right now. It's about $1 million impact, which is not that big of a number. Now to help combat that, we put 10% price increases in already. And in addition to that, we're changing some of our shipping threshold for free shipping. So there are a number of levers that we can pull. The good thing about the price increases is that should the tariffs stay where they are not go back up, the price increases stay in regardless, and we'd get a pickup from that.

Ben Kohn

Analyst

Yes. So George, it's Ben. Remember, the U.S. is roughly $35 million of the business. And so we've put a 10% price increase in on that. And should tariffs go back up, we have additional levers that we can pull as other companies have. But the goal was to keep the price increases as permanent. And so if tariffs stays the same, there should actually be a pickup assuming there's no degradation in volume moving forward.

George Kelly

Analyst

And the $1 million that you mentioned, that's for the back two quarters?

Matt Chesler

Analyst

Yes, it's for the back two quarters.

George Kelly

Analyst

Okay. And then second topic, I was hoping you could chat on is the Byborg. What are their plans as far as new product development time line, anything you're comfortable sharing on the call just sort of that's in the works with Byborg?

Ben Kohn

Analyst

Yes. So we've been working actively with them. We've seen the new designs they have for the existing products as well as a live cams business. We're excited by it. But if you remember, we have a great deal with them. It's a $20 million a year minimum guarantee. And then we get a significant percentage of the ops of 25% above that. I think as I've stated previously, I think that over the life of the deal, we should hopefully see profits well in excess of MGs. But in the beginning years, they're developing and spending money building out those products. And so for our purposes, we're assuming it's $20 million a year right now is the MG moving forward. We will receive a further $20 million payment from them this year. It's scheduled for July 1st. That is $5 million for the last two quarters of the year, plus what is effectively a $10 million security deposit which is a prepayment of the last six months of year '15 licensing term.

George Kelly

Analyst

Okay. And there that second equity investment, remind me that the vote did got moved to the annual meeting, is that correct? Is that later in May?

Ben Kohn

Analyst

Yes. So the dates were sort of coming together. And so we decided, just based on participation typically in the annual meeting to put that to the shareholders as part of the annual meeting. That's scheduled for June 16th.

George Kelly

Analyst

Okay. And then last question for me is about the other licensing business. You made comments in the press release about enthusiasm or what you think is potential around certain other categories. I think you mentioned the club and something maybe hospitality or something else. What stage are -- is that something we could start to see in the back half of this year? Do you feel like you're getting close? Just any more context around those comments would be helpful.

Ben Kohn

Analyst

Yes. So I think it's important to level set sort of where we are and what we've done, right, and then I'll talk about that. So almost two years ago, we embarked on this asset-light model. And Q1 was our first positive EBITDA quarter since '23. So I feel really good where we are now as a company and what the future looks like for the balance of this year and moving forward, especially with our adjusted EBITDA positive $2.4 million. There was actually $1 million of costs in the first quarter related to personnel that we've already eliminated at the end of the quarter. So that would have actually been positive $3.4 million. But what we have is a portfolio of really stable high-margin licensing deals. And now what we're actually able because we have a plan to continue to reduce overhead, but we're in a position now where we should start to produce cash as a company, we can now sort of focus on growth. And I think that comes from two areas. As we mentioned in the press release, we're seeing a lot of traction in what I would say is gaming. And then in the hospitality or LBE side of things. We have actually been approached by two what I would say is some of the best operators we know of in the United States to develop some form of, for lack of a better term, Playboy Club. The physical build out of that and the development of that would actually take a while. That's a one-to-two-year project. But the licensing deals themselves for gaming and some of the other stuff we have in our strong pipeline, that is something that we should see in the back half of this year starting. Obviously, revenue recognition, when…

George Kelly

Analyst

Okay, got you. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

And now I would like to hand it over back to Matt Chesler for further questions.

Matt Chesler

Analyst

Yes. Operator, we had an additional question on the drivers of the licensing business actually in the quarter from the team at Jefferies, Salil Sanjiv and James Heaney. Ben, I think you answered a lot of this. If you'd like to provide any more details on the drivers of the quarter, go ahead. If not, perhaps turn it over and have some concluding remarks.

Ben Kohn

Analyst

Sure. I'll just reiterate. So obviously, licensing was up huge, 175% year-over-year. With Byborg, without Byborg, it was still up over 50%. The two primary reasons for that were: One, the Byborg deal went into effect January 1. They've already made their first two payments. The second payment came in after the quarter ended as the contract calls for, but that's $5 million a quarter. And then in addition to that, it's the year-over-year improvement in rebuilding our China licensing business. We're encouraged by what we see. Obviously, a tough environment with the tariff war, but our partner is doing well, and we think there's continued growth there. And then what we've been really working on is the pipeline moving forward, which we should start to see the benefit of that in the third and fourth quarter with that pipeline and getting some of these deals across the finish line, which we're very close on in gaming and other areas. And so I'm excited by that. And I'm really excited, as I mentioned, with some of the opportunities we have around content licensing, FAST channels, Playmate boating, etcetera, as we move forward. Anything else, Matt, for questions that came in online?

Matt Chesler

Analyst

Let me take a quick look. We do not have any more questions online.

Ben Kohn

Analyst

Great. I'll conclude it by thanking everyone for joining our Q1 2025 call. Look forward to talking to you sometime in the beginning of August when we report our Q2 earnings. So thank you, everyone.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And this does conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation. Have a great day.