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Park Aerospace Corp. (PKE)

Q3 2017 Earnings Call· Thu, Jan 5, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Vince and I’ll be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Park Electrochemical Corp’s Third Quarter Fiscal Year '17 Earnings Release Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. At this time, I will turn today’s call over to Mr. Brian Shore, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer. Mr. Shore, you may begin your conference.

Brian Shore

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open

Thank you, Operator. This is Brian. Good morning everybody. Happy New Year, I’m with Matt Farabaugh, our CFO as usual and we’ll start with some introductory remarks for the quarter and then we’ll go into the questions. So Matt, why don’t we get started with some of the financial commentary. Sorry, let me just also add before even Matt get started that Matt’s comments – or transcript of Matt’s comments are already posted on our website, so you can check out website for the detailed information. Go ahead, Matt.

Matt Farabaugh

Analyst

Okay. Thanks Brian. Certain statements we may make during the course of this discussion which do not relate to historical financial information may be deemed to constitute forward-looking statements. Any forward-looking statements are subject to various factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from our expectations. We have set forth in our most recent annual report on Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended February 28, 2016, various factors that could affect future results, those factors are found in Item 1A and after Item 7 of that Form 10-K. Any forward-looking statements we may make are subject to those factors. I’d like to briefly review some of the items in our fiscal year 2017 third quarter ended November 27, 2016 P&L, which are not specifically addressed in the earnings release. During the fiscal year 2017 third quarter, North American sales were 49% of total sales, European sales were 10% of total sales, and Asian sales were 41% of total sales, compared to 53%, 7%, and 40% respectively for the 2016 fiscal year third quarter; and 55%, 7%, and 38% respectively for the 2017 fiscal year second quarter. Sales of Park’s high performance non-FR-4 electronics materials were 94% of total electronic material sales in the 2017 fiscal year third quarter, 94% in the 2016 fiscal year third quarter, and 93% in the 2017 fiscal year second quarter. Park’s electronics sales were $19.0 million or 72% of total sales in the 2017 fiscal year third quarter compared to $25.5 million or 74% of total sales in the 2016 fiscal year third quarter, and $20.2 million or 70% of total sales in the 2017 fiscal year second quarter. Park’s aerospace sales were $7.5 million or 28% of total sales in the 2017 fiscal year third quarter, compared to $8.9 million or…

Brian Shore

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open

Thank you, Matt. This is Brian again. So, let me go through a few items to update you on our business. First of all kind of a non-Park thing but it implies to a lot of companies, let’s call it the Trump factor, so I guess that not too many people thought the outcome was going to be the outcome, but as a result it seems like there is a very serious commitment on the part of the new administration to do things with taxes particularly regarding corporate taxes and repatriation. Park has about $240 million overseas, of that 25% tax will be paid to repatriate that money under the current tax environment, that’s in approximation but use that for reference that would be about $60 million tax build if we repatriate that money. With the changes that are being proposed that could go to zero, because we’ve already paid 15% on that money so that money is after 15% tax approximate these are around numbers. So the theory is that we would pay the net difference between what we’ve paid and the new tax rate. In addition to that, there’s discussion of a repatriation holiday you know kind of a one-time thing, so that’s very significant for Park. We’ve been waiting for this for a long time you know and even if the results were not as favourable tax wise, we probably would have at least paid off the loans that we have and we said okay, fine it is what it is, no reason to continue to wait we would have paid off the loan which I think are about $70 million now. But this is a big deal for Park. So if this tax, if these tax flows is going to affect as people are discussing and…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Sean Hannan of Needham & Company. Your line is open.

Sean Hannan

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open

Yes. Thanks folks. Can you hear me?

Brian Shore

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open

Just fine, Sean. Yes.

Sean Hannan

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open

Okay, great. Good morning and Happy New Year. First question I have here is on the aerospace side. So in terms of that joint development agreement that you’ve referenced with GE really pushing to want to be in production by January 18, is the opportunity for that a number that has factored into how do you kind of qualify the ramp-up of your aerospace business over the next few years? And is there anyway to get a sense of your expectations for how that may contribute to this segment?

Brian Shore

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open

Those revenues are not been taken into account at all. We’re trying to be conservative. The information we’ve given you is based upon specific forecast related to programs that were on. So the variable is how many airplanes are built. We’re not just speculating pie-in-the-sky stuff with the information we’ve given you in the past about GE. So, we have not included this information at all. However, I should say that the opportunity is very large. Remember, we talked about the development agreement with this big electronics OEM. I would say it’s more of a niche opportunity. The development agreement with GE is no niche opportunity. It’s very large and it’s been very, I don’t know what you call it, kind or helpful to our cause because they have not prevented us from selling this product to other companies. So, the opportunity is very large with GE, but also with other companies as well, other aerospace companies that would use this product. I can’t quantify it. We’ve been given some forecast numbers from GE, but they’re really not at liberty to discuss those, but it’s not a niche product opportunity, its significant dollars.

Sean Hannan

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open

Okay. That’s helpful. And then whether you’d want to include, exclude. It sounds like you probably want to exclude, any characterization around how to think about the aerospace, if you here not sure if there’s been any recalibration, your expectations for how this business ramps for you over the course of the one to two to three years. Could you provide a little bit more insight around that is where we stand today on beginning 2017 here?

Brian Shore

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open

Really not update, not change that we can report based upon our second quarter call. There’s nothing, you know obviously showing, a lot goes on, lot of back and forth, lots of discussions, negotiations but nothing, no real change to report.

Sean Hannan

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open

Okay. Switching over to the electronic side for a moment, it sounds like you have pretty good progress here and perhaps a lot of optimism in terms of some potential ramp-up with Meteorwave over the coming quarters or years. Just want to see if I can get kind of a summary perspective from you around that the degree that you expect that or would hope that you can really start to grow that business once again. So that would be part one. And then part two, if there is really more of a muted expectation because structurally the business is really different than it was 15 years ago. At what point would you guys need to take a really hard look? Does it make sense to be a part of Park anymore or maybe there’s an opportunity to capitalized at least on a business line that is getting some good momentum and perhaps monetizing it especially as we think about the bigger picture where aerospace is going for you because I don’t believe there’s necessarily a lot of synergy between the two segments?

Brian Shore

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open

Sean, I think I’ve did a forecast for the next four quarters for Meteorwave, a pretty detail forecast every week or two. We have a lot of focus on that. The optimism you refer to is correct, that’s based upon our expectations, our forecast and the forecast is not just kind of a pie-in-the-sky forecast. There’s no other category, they are names and dates and things like that in the forecast. So I think that optimism is warranted. I think we have something here, something going that has promised an opportunity for Park, especially knew the short term, I’d say next year or two. We do expect based upon our internal forecast some significant revenues just in the next 12 months, so this is not a long term three or four year’s scenario. As far as electronics is concern long term, the synergy really needs to be based upon the Park principles and culture. That’s the key thing. It doesn’t have to be synergy based upon their product line through technology although I think you know there is some synergy based upon the product technology, manufacturing technology. The markets are quite different and there is very little synergy. But the synergy if there is any way – any synergy that really binds two business activities relates to and it’s based upon the Park culture, the Park culture that’s described in our annual report letters and things like that. So, look you’re asking obviously an interesting question and it’s a sensitive question. I guess what I could say specifically about it is right now, I think we have some reasonable basis for optimism. We don’t want to be like everybody else. We’re not interested and just being another supplier. We need to be special. We need to be different. We need to be unique. If we’re not then I don’t know what the future is. So, that’s what I’m talking about when I refer to those Park principles. We can never get complacent. Good is never good enough. And maybe those things just sound like you know kind of words and things like that, but for me anyway that to be lot more than words. So as long as there is the optimism and especially we’re binding by the Park principles, I think the future is just fine.

Sean Hannan

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open

Okay. Last question here. Is there a way to take a shot at providing at least some type of color in understanding the relative cash flows of the electronics business versus the aerospace business either as it stands today or how we’re thinking about it over the course of calendar 2017?

Brian Shore

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open

I don’t understand it, could you – I’m not sure understood what you’re asking for, Sean.

Sean Hannan

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open

Yes. So, what I’m trying to understand a little bit more about is when you think about the cash generation coming on a per segment basis, the electronics, where is that significance versus the aerospace side? Is there an ability perhaps to continue funding, say some of the development within the aerospace sides? We kind of affected subsidization coming through more mature, better cash flow scenario on the electronic side. I’m just trying to understand the relative merits of two segments, how strong they are and what you may expect this year as that changes?

Brian Shore

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open

Okay. Let me do the best I can. That’s kind of a pretty wide open question, but electronics is still going to be our legacy, its our legacy business, it’s a mature industry aerospace, the real growth story for Park, aerospace is really the future store for Park, that’s where the bigger opportunities are especially top-line. I don’t think the electronics, our electronics business has a same kind of top-line growth opportunity that aerospace would, obviously aerospace is also starting from a smaller base. But we’re not going to see these big, big opportunities, I don’t think electronics. I just don’t think the industry works that way. It’s a much more mature. There are opportunities, but it’s not opportunity to double the size of electronics overnight. The inroads that the guys are making with Meteorwave are quite significant, Sean, but it’s a different kind of dynamic than with aerospace which is more of a long term fundamental story. So, in terms of funding the opportunities with aerospace, I think we’ll make sure we have the ability to do that. And I think the lack of funding will be -- we will hold this back in terms of realizing the opportunities with aerospace. I had a feeling that’s not exactly what you’re going forward but I’m not sure, is there anything else you want me to try to focus on in answering that question.

Sean Hannan

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open

Yes. I can take it offline. That’s fine. That’s fine Brian. Thanks so much.

Brian Shore

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open

Okay. Thanks. Happy New Year.

Sean Hannan

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open

Happy New Year.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from David Reich-Hale of Newsday. Your line is open.

David Reich-Hale

Analyst · Newsday. Your line is open

Yes. Hi. How are you?

Brian Shore

Analyst · Newsday. Your line is open

Hello. How are you?

David Reich-Hale

Analyst · Newsday. Your line is open

Great. Thanks for taking the question. Couple of quarters ago you had said that there was continued weakness in demand in China as well. And is that still going on or is that sort of dissipated?

Brian Shore

Analyst · Newsday. Your line is open

That’s a good question, because we can tell you about our experience probably more intelligently than you know the China in general. For me I’m not an expert in China but I find it always confusing to really understand what’s going on there, lot of conflicting inputs. But as far as we’re concern China business if you will in electronics is going well. That’s our biggest market in Asia. That’s our biggest market for electronics period. So the fact the electronics is I think is pretty clearly experiencing an upward trajectory is could be partly a China story. It’s probably the market maybe being little better. I think it’s also partly because the Meteorwave has made some real inroads with these OEMs. And it’s too hard separate what’s going on just for us and what’s going on in the market.

David Reich-Hale

Analyst · Newsday. Your line is open

Sure. Thanks. And you’d mentioned restructuring out West, that’s the U.S. electronics sector that you’re talking about?

Brian Shore

Analyst · Newsday. Your line is open

Yes. We have locations in Arizona and California, electronic locations in Arizona and California and that’s where we are referring to.

David Reich-Hale

Analyst · Newsday. Your line is open

And is there an expectation that you would close one of those offices or you just sort of downsizing both of them?

Brian Shore

Analyst · Newsday. Your line is open

They are not offices, they are factories, manufacturing plant.

David Reich-Hale

Analyst · Newsday. Your line is open

Sure, okay.

Brian Shore

Analyst · Newsday. Your line is open

Right. And we’re not intended to close one of the two factories, but our intention is to – they have been – those factories have been business unit of Parks for many, many years. But they are separate business units, with kind of separate cost structures. The plan is to operate those two locations as one business unit.

David Reich-Hale

Analyst · Newsday. Your line is open

Okay. Would that mean layoff or…?

Brian Shore

Analyst · Newsday. Your line is open

It might but we’re not going to comment at this time.

David Reich-Hale

Analyst · Newsday. Your line is open

Okay, Brian. Thanks a lot.

Brian Shore

Analyst · Newsday. Your line is open

Okay. You bet.

Operator

Operator

Thanks. Our next question is from Leonard Cooper of Private Investor. Sir, your line is open.

Brian Shore

Analyst · Private Investor. Sir, your line is open

Leon. Hello, Leon. Operator, I think we might have lost Leon, Leon Cooper.

Leonard Cooper

Analyst · Private Investor. Sir, your line is open

Hello.

Brian Shore

Analyst · Private Investor. Sir, your line is open

Hi, Leon. Yes, How are you Leon?

Leonard Cooper

Analyst · Private Investor. Sir, your line is open

Good. Do you hear me now?

Brian Shore

Analyst · Private Investor. Sir, your line is open

Yes. We hear you just fine.

Leonard Cooper

Analyst · Private Investor. Sir, your line is open

One, Happy New Year to you and your wife, I appreciate the pictures.

Brian Shore

Analyst · Private Investor. Sir, your line is open

Thank you.

Leonard Cooper

Analyst · Private Investor. Sir, your line is open

I notice that 3D printing in metals and plastic has been getting a lot of attention including from GE. And also self-driving vehicles is there any affect on Park from those technologies?

Brian Shore

Analyst · Private Investor. Sir, your line is open

In terms of 3D printing, we noticed as well that GE has been very active in that area and have done some acquisitions even. It doesn’t so far relate to our activities with GE. So I mean, it is something that we continually ask them about, whether there’s anything they would like us to work on, anything they’d like us to do to support those activities, but at this point the answer is no. In self-driving vehicles I guess that would relate to RF Electronics and its not something we’ve been really strong in. We have some more RF electronics activities like PTFE and we call it Meteorwave products for RF applications, but most we do is for digital and infrastructure, networking and military that probably doesn’t apply the self-driving vehicle technologies.

Leonard Cooper

Analyst · Private Investor. Sir, your line is open

Okay. And one last question, does Park have available the manpower that’s needed to cover all these activities?

Brian Shore

Analyst · Private Investor. Sir, your line is open

It is not really so, that’s a challenge for Park. Its kind of ongoing activity and discussion Park about how do we handle the opportunities, I think particularly in aerospace I’ve made the comment probably many times before Leon, that there are more opportunities in aerospace than we really could handle, so we have to select the opportunities. So yeah, it’s not financial resource, its human resources that we’re really talking about, and that’s kind of a constant challenge that we try to manage it way through. I did mention probably more than once now that we’ve very strong team in aerospace. This is a team that doesn’t like expecting failure. So not very willing to say, look we just can’t handle that opportunity because we’re too busy. So we have a group of people that are very dedicated, very intense and just don’t like to turn down opportunities.

Leonard Cooper

Analyst · Private Investor. Sir, your line is open

Okay. Thank you.

Brian Shore

Analyst · Private Investor. Sir, your line is open

Sure. Happy New Year to you and your wife.

Leonard Cooper

Analyst · Private Investor. Sir, your line is open

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We have a follow up from Sean Hannan of Needham & Company. Your line is open, sir.

Sean Hannan

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open, sir

Yes. Thanks for taking the follow-up here. Just operationally in terms of costs, any commentary that’s worthwhile around copper, number one. And then, in terms of SG&A, the degree that the current level are sustainable other than I think what you may have just referenced here that you’re probably have to invest a little bit in SG&A some of these opportunities gain momentum, but that would probably be a higher quality problem. So can you provide some color around copper as well as sustainability of SG&A?

Brian Shore

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open, sir

Yes. Sure. We can do that. In Q3, copper is not a significant impact for Park. In Q4, we’re looking at doing something. It’s been our practice for many years to pass through changes in our copper costs and kind of cent by cent or dollar for dollar basis, so we’re looking at doing that. There’s always a lag as I think as you know Sean, so when copper costs going up that usually has short-term impact, negative impact on our P&L, when we’re going down there is a short term benefit because you know again it’s a little bit of lag effect. There could be that kind of impact in Q4 for making the adjustments. We can’t really quantify them quite yet, but it could be a negative impact from copper in Q4. In Q3, there is a very small negative impact not worth mentioning. And sorry, I lost it, the other question – SG&A. Yes. So, look Park is a fortunate company in the sense that we have very dedicated people, people care about the company, its future. People come here and they want the best for Park. So the third quarter was not a good quarter, we all know that. And the one lever that we can pull to deal with that very easily is SG&A, things like bonus accruals, so we do that and that’s a right thing to do. I think it’s a responsible thing to do and our people on board, because our people I think by and large are pretty committed and are looking to be a Park for long haul and not just to get an extra bonus for this year or last year. So we pull those levers and we’ll keep pulling them as we feel necessary because still we are a public company after all and we have accountability, but it’s not just me that has the accountability, it’s all of people of Park I think that share that accountability as it should be. So, we’ll keep pulling those levers. We will. I don’t know what SG&A will be in the fourth quarter but we’ll look at where we are and we’ll make those judgements based upon where we are.

Sean Hannan

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open, sir

Okay. So it sounds like from a restructuring standpoint most of those costs are going to be geared towards your cost line and then SG&A you’re going to try to toe the line as best you can moving forward?

Brian Shore

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open, sir

Okay. I’m not sure I got you. Restructuring, obviously that’s one-time event and I think I mentioned that they’ll be – we believe there will be $3 million, $4 million benefit going forward, right? Some of that would be in the SG&A line, some of would be the cost of sales line, cost of goods sold line, maybe I’m missing the point of your question now.

Sean Hannan

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open, sir

No. That is requisite, so it’s going to be focused on both areas. That’s helpful.

Brian Shore

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open, sir

Yes. It would be. Yes, it’s right.

Sean Hannan

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open, sir

Okay. Thanks so much folks.

Brian Shore

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open, sir

Okay. Thank you for questions.

Operator

Operator

At this time, I see no other questions in queue. I’ll turn it back to Mr. Shore for any closing remarks

Brian Shore

Analyst · Needham & Company. Your line is open

Okay. Thank you, operator and thank you everybody else for listening in to our third quarter call. Matt and I are here today. So, if you have any follow-up questions just give us a call. And last thing we want to do is wish you all a very Happy New Year, all the best to all of you in 2017. Have a good day. Good bye.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation in today’s conference. This concludes your program. You may now disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.