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Polaris Inc. (PII)

Q3 2008 Earnings Call· Tue, Oct 14, 2008

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, I would like to welcome everyone to the Polaris Industries third quarter 2008 earnings conference call. (Operator Instructions) Mr. Edwards, you may begin your conference.

Richard Edwards

Management

Good morning and thank you for joining us for our third quarter 2008 earnings conference call. The speakers today are Scott Wine, our new Chief Executive Officer; Bennett Morgan, our President and Chief Operating Officer; and Michael Malone, our Chief Financial Officer. During the call this morning we will be discussing certain topics, including product demand and shipments, sales and margin trends, income and profitability levels and other matters including more specific guidance on our expectations for future periods which should be considered forward-looking for the purposes of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual results could differ from those projected in any forward-looking statements, which by their nature involve risks and uncertainties. There are a number of important factors that could cause results to differ materially from those anticipated. Additional information concerning those factors can be found in our 2007 Annual Report and 2007 Form 10-K which are on file with the SEC. Before Scott Wine gives his remarks, Tom Tiller our former CEO will lead off with a few comments.

Tom Tiller

Management

Thanks Richard, good morning everyone. Before we get to the meat of the program, the actual earnings announcement, I’d like to begin by doing two quick things. First I wanted to let you all know that the management transition is going well. Scott began work on September 2 and is rapidly coming up to speed. He, Bennett and the rest of the management team are running the business well amid a very turbulent environment and I’m assisting whenever needed. Secondly, I wanted to say thanks to all the Polaris shareholders. This will be my final earnings announcement and wanted to say how much I have enjoyed your support over the last 10 years. With that, I’d like to turn it over to Scott Wine, our new CEO to comment on a terrific third quarter.

Scott Wine

Management

Thank you Tom and good morning everyone. Tom, first I’d like to thank you for the introduction but more importantly thank you for handing over such a strong, Polaris business which is run by such a dedicated and experienced team. There’s no better testament to the state of the business you’ve handed over then the record sales and earnings per share that Polaris delivered in the third quarter. Earnings for the quarter were $1.13 per share, up 6% from $1.07 per share in the prior year period. Sales were a record $580 million in the quarter, up a solid 7% from the third quarter of 2007. Despite a difficult and declining external environment Polaris continues to outperform. I have gained an appreciation for the strength of the team and their passion to win in my first six weeks on the job. Our success is clearly the result of the strong execution of the strategy that Bennett and the team have led; to win in the core, drive operational excellence and target key growth opportunities. I met with several dealers recently and they confirmed that our strategy is working. Like us they are concerned about the macroeconomic environment and specifically the credit markets and Michael Malone and I will speak to that today. But they also remain positive on our improved order management system and our aggressive new product introduction. We are leveraging our operational excellence initiative to respond to the changes in the market faster and more efficiently then our competitors and are being rewarded for it by our customers. Dealers and many other customers participated in our Annual Dealer Show in Vegas in July. It was certainly one of the highlights for Polaris. We launched more than 14 new products including the all new Sportsman XP lineup and more…

Bennett Morgan

President

Thanks Scott, I wanted to formally thank Tom from the entire Polaris team for all he’s done for Polaris over the past 10 years. There’s no question we’re a much stronger company and team thanks to his vision and his leadership and I would concur with what Scott said as he takes the helm. Scott and I and the team have already developed some very, very nice traction and we are looking forward to working with Scott to take Polaris to the next level. So let me begin with operational excellence, we continue to make substantial progress in improving our quality, cost and speed. This has become essential as the external world has become more challenging and unpredictable. We continue to work relentlessly on our speed to market. In the last call we discussed supply chain lead time reductions of 25%. We have further reduced supply chain lead times in our ATV and side-by-side businesses by another 25% this past quarter and we have now reduced our lead times by half in just under a year; that’s fantastic progress. Our product development process has been further leaned out to be 25% quicker then where it was just a year ago. At our recent Las Vegas dealer meeting we were again able to bring key new products to market a full year earlier then what was just possible 18 months ago. And we successfully rolled out the large regional test of our max velocity program, our new business model with our dealer network which enables the retail and order management process to be done two times a month, versus two times a year in the past. We will evaluate and learn from this regional test quickly over the upcoming months with the goal of having the right product, at the right…

Michael Malone

Chief Financial Officer

Thanks Bennett and good morning to everyone. As Scott and Bennett have stated we are pleased with the record third quarter operating results that we have generated in a very challenging external environment. As we stated in the press release although we are not immune to the deteriorating macroeconomic environment given the orders that we have in hand from our dealers for the fourth quarter and the continued strength in our side-by-side, international and PG&A businesses, we are increasing and narrowing our full year 2008 total company sales and earnings guidance. Total company sales for the full year 2008 are now expected to increase in the 10% to 11% range over 2007. For full year 2008 we now expect diluted earnings per share from continuing operations to be in the range of between $3.47 and $3.50 which is an increase of 12% to 13% compared to the full year last year. Updated expectations for sales growth for the full year 2008 by product line are as follows. For ATVs we now expect sales to grow in the 10% to 11% range for the full year 2008. The core ATV shipments to dealers in North America are expected to continue to be significantly lower then last year during the fourth quarter due to the continued weakness as the overall North American core ATV industry that Bennett talked about. As it has throughout 2008 the fourth quarter decline in the core will be more then offset by increased shipments of core ATVs to the international and military market and continued double-digit increases in RANGER side-by-side vehicles. For snowmobiles our guidance remains unchanged as we have the orders in hand from our dealers for model 2009 snowmobiles and continue shipping to those orders. Snowmobile sales for the full year 2008 are expected to…

Scott Wine

Management

Thanks Michael, before we wrap up I want to offer some quick and early qualitative thoughts about 2009. As I stated earlier we will stay very close to the market to understand the implications for the year ahead and adjust our business as necessary. We will not however fundamentally change our strategy. We will still be assertive in 2009. The three pronged approach of operational excellence, winning in the core and targeting new growth has guided Polaris and will continue. Although it is fair to expect that I will throttle up in certain areas and tap the brakes in others. We will accelerate and expand our operational excellence efforts and use it as a competitive weapon in this rapidly changing retail environment. I am confident that we can leverage this initiative to drive improvements in quality, speed, margin expansion and inventory reduction. We will not take short cuts to deliver dramatic short-term improvements, but we will do the hard work to deliver consistent, sustainable improvements year after year. We will also continue to play to win in the core businesses. Our product lineup is strong and getting stronger and we will continue to work closely with our dealers to win the competitive battle. The market is weak for everyone but we are mindful that the share battle is not just for up markets; it can also be won in hard times. Growth will remain a priority for Polaris with an increased focus on profitable growth. By the time we meet again in January, we expect to announce an exciting adjacency relationship to accelerate our growth outside of power sports. We have new products in development that will allow us to enter new market segments and expand our on-road presence. Acquisitions will continue to be evaluated as we look for opportunities to accelerate growth and expand margins. In summary we are very pleased with the record third quarter results and our ability to raise full year guidance. We are certainly balancing the current economic environment against the strength of Polaris business. We will manage prudently in the months ahead and into 2009 to ensure that our customers, shareholders, employees, and others continue to benefit from our focus on results. At this time we’ll take any questions you may have.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from the line of Edward Aaron - RBC Capital Markets

Edward Aaron - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst

Maybe you could share a little of your background in terms of your ability to perhaps help move the international and military businesses forward even more then what’s been done today?

Scott Wine

Management

I’ll give a quick background, after spending seven years in the Navy following my graduation from the Naval Academy; I went to work for Honeywell in the aerospace and defense business. My last assignment with them was running their European business in aerospace repair and overhaul based out of Rounheim, Germany just outside of Frankfurt. I did that for approximately two years and then decided I didn’t want to be an aerospace and defense executive so transitioned over to Danaher Corporation which actually might have given me better international experience as I helped several of their businesses expand into the Asian markets and did a lot of work in South America as well. Good international experience, obviously my time in the military as a supply officer has already proven to be beneficial in this role as we look at military as an exciting growth opportunity and while not in my favorite past experience the fact that I joined that European business eight days before 9-11, I’m also familiar with taking over a new business and dealing with a crisis, again here with a very strong management team.

Edward Aaron - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst

On the gross margin impact, on the positive side for mix, can you give us a rough sense, the basis point contribution from that so we can have a better understanding of how big of a drag the commodities and the discounting was on the margin?

Michael Malone

Chief Financial Officer

I’m not going to share specifics on the margin impacts on the attributes and gross margin, I would tell you the trends in the third quarter were similar to the trends we experienced earlier in the year. There is significant margin benefit from the increased side-by-side and PG&A business and as we talked about, our international business is higher profitability then the core US business. The commodity pressures were real in the third quarter. As you know the commodity pressures have eased which is really good news going forward but we didn’t realize much or any of that benefit in the third quarter. It takes awhile for that to work its way through inventory, on the balance sheet and through the price lock arrangements that we have in place. We should see some easing of the commodity pressure starting in the fourth quarter and then if the commodity prices maintain where they are at, it will be helpful sequentially certainly as we roll into 2009.

Edward Aaron - RBC Capital Markets

Analyst

On the PG&A business in light of what’s happening in the credit markets, I know that the approval and the penetration rates, one things we’ve seen across the leisure space is the advance rates changing which I think in some categories made it harder for dealers to sell more parts and accessories, do you have any concerns about that as it relates the sustainability of the growth rates on the PG&A side?

Michael Malone

Chief Financial Officer

We hear some of that same stuff, we read about that, but we really haven’t seen that translate into our business yet. Our PG&A business obviously was very strong in the third quarter. Our orders from the dealers on their program orders for the fourth quarter met or exceeded our expectations. What we call daily sales which are the reorders that we get from our dealers are meeting our expectations in the third quarter and into the fourth quarter. It’s interesting, you read about it and you’re concerned about it, but the reality is we haven’t really seen that impact dramatically in our PG&A business.

Bennett Morgan

President

I actually think we’re seeing almost a contrary effect to that in the sense that as the market’s gotten tougher the after market business relatively is stronger, dealers as they’re seeing tougher battles for consumer traffic are focusing more on the consumer experience as I mentioned in the remarks and they’re doing a better job of up selling and moving those value added PG&A items onto existing products. We’re pretty encouraged actually what we’re seeing from a trend standpoint on PG&A as we go forward in this tougher environment.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Craig Kennison - Robert W. Baird & Co. Craig Kennison - Robert W. Baird & Co.: You had mentioned that inventory is down in just about every category but also sales are down in many categories, can you give us sort of a sales adjusted inventory metric that would make us comfortable that days of inventory are actually lower?

Bennett Morgan

President

We usually avoid trying to get down to talking about days supply. We’ve taken a tremendous amount of inventory out of our system over the last couple of years and have continued to do that successfully in 2008 in all of our businesses and I think overall our days supply across all our businesses is down sequentially from where it was a year ago. Despite our efforts in ATVs, that’s a battle. When you see the market down 28% in the third quarter and 22% year-to-date, even with significant reductions, its hard to increase your velocity on days supply but that’s why we’re moving to the programs like MPV where you can see where we’re going to a real operational excellent model where we’re taking orders and managing retail two times a month versus two times a year and as we spread that across the dealer network, we expect that we’ll see significant reductions. But I would tell you in snowmobiles, our inventory position is better then it’s been from a DSO as well as an inventory position in years, side-by-side arguably if you talk to many dealers, they’d say we’re too tight on a number of products almost, ATVs we continue to work our way down and Victory we’ve made some progress. But I would tell you our DSO is not yet where we would like it to be. We’re making some progress but the tougher economy is slowing some of what we would have thought would have been spectacular progress otherwise and then again longer term MPV, we’re excited about what that will do for us. Craig Kennison - Robert W. Baird & Co.: You had mentioned that you’re looking at some contingent alternatives for the finance piece of your business; can you give us a sense for what you’re looking at and the extent to which you’d be willing to use your balance sheet?

Michael Malone

Chief Financial Officer

There is a fair amount of uncertainty in the retail credit market right now. We’ve had assurances from both HSBC and GE that they’re committed to Polaris and they’re committed to our existing relationships with revolving and installment retail credit. But there is uncertainty so we are trying to be prudent and looking at if things change what might we do different. So we are looking at certain regional or second tier financing providers to develop a relationship with. There aren’t very many other national providers other then the two that we’re working with and they have a very large share within our industry. So regional or second tier providers would be a source. We’ve already started developing assistance program and a training program for our dealers to help them tap into the local banks and credit unions more affectively. That’s a relatively big source of financing today for our dealers and there’s ways that we can help the dealers leverage that opportunity going forward. We’re going to pursue that. And there’s other things that we could consider as well. Craig Kennison - Robert W. Baird & Co.: Would you rule out using your balance sheet and underwriting some of these loans?

Michael Malone

Chief Financial Officer

As I stated before, we’re not very interested in that at all. We think that its best to have this outsourced or partnered and we are not interested in bringing that on to our balance sheet.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Timothy Conder - Wachovia Capital Markets

Timothy Conder - Wachovia Capital Markets

Analyst · Timothy Conder - Wachovia Capital Markets

Just a clarification, the down 28% on the ATVs in the third quarter that was both industry and Polaris? And then anything, any assistance that you’re giving besides the subsidy with HSBC, any other assistance on the financing that occurred during the third quarter?

Bennett Morgan

President

On the clarification on the third quarter sales, North America sales were down 28% and essentially Polaris was essentially right there. We were actually a tad weaker on that because we were up a little bit of share going into the third quarter and frankly most of that is in all honesty its timing with how we’ve run some of our different promotions. We expect we’ll get that back here as we move into October and November.

Michael Malone

Chief Financial Officer

Related to assistance in retail credit financing in the quarter, we have these relationships with HSBC and GE and we have promotions at any point in time running with our dealers and our consumers where we offer cut rate financing or discounts and those kinds of things on the financing costs. We participate in those financing costs, and we did so in the third quarter and that really rolls into the whole promotional environment which is at an elevated level as we talked about. I would not say that there’s anything unusual or different in the third quarter then historically as it relates to our participation in those financing programs.

Timothy Conder - Wachovia Capital Markets

Analyst · Timothy Conder - Wachovia Capital Markets

Could you comment on the same vein there, are side-by-sides, is there a higher percentage or less percentage finance versus the core ATVs and then also on the side-by-side, if you could give any additional color on what that was as a percent of your total ATV business in the third quarter?

Michael Malone

Chief Financial Officer

I don’t know that I know specifics on side-by-side percentage of customers financing versus core ATVs. The demographics for a side-by-side buyer are a little better. Generally they’re a little bit older and a little bit higher income so intuition would tell you that perhaps it’s a bit lower on the percentage being financed then side-by-sides. But I frankly don’t have that data in front of me. As far as the percentage of side-by-sides to our total ATV business, as you know we haven’t been very specific with that in the past. Last year for the full year side-by-sides were about 40% of total ATV sales dollars. This year it’s obviously expanded significantly with core ATVs being down quite a bit and side-by-sides being up quite a bit. This year what we would say is that its, side-by-sides will be more then half of our total ATV recorded sales for the year.

Timothy Conder - Wachovia Capital Markets

Analyst · Timothy Conder - Wachovia Capital Markets

Related to the foreign exchange, you’d mentioned that its going to be a little bit of a headwind in the fourth quarter, looking into 2009, just on an early basis, you gave us a peak into 2009, but how do you look at or what have you already locked in from a hedging standpoint and at this point assuming where you’re hedged and where currencies are trading at this time, how do you see FOREX for 2009 with the Euro, pound, Canadian dollar and so forth?

Michael Malone

Chief Financial Officer

Right now, we have no hedges for 2009. If currency were to stay where they’re at right now we would feel pressure on top line sales as both the euro and the Canadian dollar are at more punitive rates for our top line sales then they were for the full year 2008. We would also have pressure from the yen versus where we are and purchase our engines this year. So we expect to have headwinds from currencies in the fourth quarter which is baked into our guidance that we issued today and right now if currencies stay the way they are we would expect that to be a headwind as we go into 2009.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of James Hardiman - FTN Midwest Securities

James Hardiman - FTN Midwest Securities

Analyst · James Hardiman - FTN Midwest Securities

Can you give us the numbers, you gave us the year-to-date number in terms of heavyweight motorcycles, can you just give us the number for the quarter and how you compare to the industry number US?

Michael Malone

Chief Financial Officer

We’ll come back to that.

James Hardiman - FTN Midwest Securities

Analyst · James Hardiman - FTN Midwest Securities

Again, I’m not sure how much visibility you get on this, can you walk us through the last four weeks at retail. Everybody knows that things were, have been extremely tough in terms of core ATVs really all year, but that the back half of September was a completely different animal, that things got a lot worse, have we gotten back to at least sort of August and early September weakness as opposed to what we saw at the end of September or are things continuing to be really tough here mid October?

Bennett Morgan

President

The motorcycle data for the third quarter was essentially in the heavyweight cruiser and touring, they were down low single-digits and Polaris was up high single-digits. So we gained some share, the market didn’t actually deteriorate in the third quarter from a heavyweight standpoint in industry which was encouraging but we still would characterize it as relatively challenging still. In regards to what we’ve seen in the last four weeks, I’m not sure this is going to be what you want to hear but frankly the trends that we’ve seen in the last four weeks are no different then what we’ve been reporting to you all year where we’ve seen strength in our businesses in places like snowmobiles, side-by-sides, PG&A and international. Even as the world got crazy here over the last four weeks, our retail sales continued to be up over the last four weeks and month to date, we’re still seeing growth. In the areas where it had been pressured, we saw more pressure and it actually slowed a little bit more. Talking qualitatively or anecdotally to our dealer network which is always dangerous, they’re telling us that they have seen a downturn in traffic. It has gotten a little bit worse here in these uncertain times here over the last few weeks but not way, way more awful then what we were seeing in say August and September. August and September were fairly challenging months I think from an industry traffic standpoint but again with our product and our product innovation, we continued to do I’d say remarkably well in this environment so we’re encouraged.

James Hardiman - FTN Midwest Securities

Analyst · James Hardiman - FTN Midwest Securities

You sort of touched on this, international I think you said was up 31% for the quarter, so you’re not seeing any material slowdown if you sort of momentum through the quarter, is that a pretty consistent 31% number through the quarter and no real concerns heading into the fourth quarter?

Bennett Morgan

President

I would tell you that again, we’ve been pleasantly surprised because certainly at least what we read in the papers and seeing from an overall European economy, there’s been greater uncertainty and there’s more concerns over there. It has not as of yet, certainly through the third quarter and early into the fourth quarter affected our retail sales. Our subsidiaries and our distributors had one of their strongest months ever in September. We’re going to continue to watch that very, very prudently as we go forward to see if we see signs of weakness but so far so good. And I would tell you realistically even over the three, four, five months, we’ve seen Europe starting to slow but we have not seen signs of that yet in our business. We were just over at Intermot which is the International Motorcycle Show in Cologne, Germany and we had fantastic response to our Victory launch going into Germany next year and again there’s tremendous interest in Polaris products in general over there. Again, we’re knocking on wood. We’re watching it closely. We will try not to be looking at it through rose colored glasses but we can only report what we’ve seen from a factual basis so far and so far the facts are saying our business in retail is holding up remarkably well.

Tom Tiller

Management

This isn’t completely unprecedented. For those of you that have followed the company for a long time, you’ll recall after September 11 when there was a tremendous concern around confidence and where the country was going and so forth, Polaris business was quite strong following that and I think that’s surprised an awful lot of people. I think the guys have said many times we’re watching carefully what’s happening at the retail level but we haven’t seen any dramatic changes certainly over the last two weeks as the financial markets have been so volatile.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Gregory Badishkanian - Citigroup Gregory Badishkanian – Citigroup: In terms of Europe, demand for the RANGER RZR products and what type of shipping volumes do you have in that market, because I think at your Analyst Day, Investor Day it was really well under penetrated and there was pent up demand, just wondering how that’s looking?

Bennett Morgan

President

We’ve made some nice progress on that really over the last couple of quarters. We have gotten RZR out in what I’d call significant volumes here over the last two quarters and while I wouldn’t necessarily say we’ve completely caught up with demand, we made what I’d call tremendous progress so we’re much closer to a balanced supply and demand situation and most of the RANGER growth that we saw internationally has really been driven by RZR. RZR even more so then in the US I think will be kind of a game-changing product for the international marketplace. There’s tremendous interest in that and that product looks like it has a lot of legs as we move into the future. We’re encouraged that we’ll continue to see some nice growth in RZR over the upcoming quarters. Gregory Badishkanian – Citigroup: You had mentioned that the orders at the show exceeded expectations, that dealers had some, and consumers are starting to have some good reaction, can you give us a bit of color in terms of what dealers are telling you in terms of how the consumers are reacting particularly to the new RANGER innovations and is it a lot more excitement then say last year when you rolled out new products?

Bennett Morgan

President

We’re really encouraged. Obviously the side-by-side market is a much stronger, hotter market right now and the consumer reaction is already translating to significant retail on some of the new RANGER products and the new RZR S. Its way too early to declare in anything like a RZR phenomenon but the RZR S sell-through rate through the end of the third quarter far exceeded our expectations. So we’re very, very encouraged about that new product and dealers are reporting that the new 2009 RANGER as they see the new products, are in hot demand. We have similar phenomenon on the ATV side with the Sportsman XPs. Those really did not hit the quarter until much later. We had some shipments in the third quarter but really the last couple of weeks really of the quarter so they really have not hit the marketplace in significant quantities. I know when Scott was out last week, that’s one of the things that dealers were frustrated with. They wanted those XPs in their dealerships and so there is some pent up demand for those new innovative products. I think it’s a formula that Polaris has proven itself in a tough environment over the last year or two. Innovation sells and it sells pretty well in generally any environment and that continues to be one of the playbooks that we’re running.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Hailey Wolf – Unspecified Company Hailey Wolf – Unspecified Company: Can you give us a little color on how the Max velocity program is doing, what kind of early signs you’re seeing in terms of improved sell-through, improved matching of retail inventory and then can we get some details on the LIBOR reset and when in fact it does reset on your credit line?

Bennett Morgan

President

On MVP, as we’ve talked about in previous calls, what we’ve done is here over the last 60 days is gone to a regional test with a significant number of dealers, over 150 and frankly its just way too early to talk about any kind of metric success other then that the dealers are thrilled they’re on the program. We have people raising their hands tremendously. They’re up and running, they’re starting to establish the retail processes. Our DSMs are in there a couple of times a month and the early returns after 30 days were encouraging but to talk about any kind of success or failure with that group of dealers is premature. We have had a couple of other tests that we ran in another district that have been in place for the last year and another handful of dealers and in both of those cases we saw significant dealer inventory reductions. We saw share gain and we saw increased dealer and customer satisfaction as a result of that. For those that have been up for more then a year, it’s pretty encouraging. Obviously we’re in a period right now where we’re testing and we’re trying to learn very quickly and then change and adapt as we go to more dealers.

Scott Wine

Management

I had a chance to get out to Denver which is one of our test markets, and meet with six of our dealers and across the board they were elated with the MVP program. In fact it had been alluded to they spend as much time talking about their desire to have more XP ATVs and continue to praise the MVP program. I asked every dealer what it was that the other OEMs do what we’re doing that we could learn from and despite my repeated requests, it all came back to they wished other dealers or other OEMs would pursue the MVP program. So getting high marks and specifically because Polaris has put some infrastructure behind it to make it easy for dealers to adapt the new processes. So very strong reviews and we look forward to rolling it out further.

Michael Malone

Chief Financial Officer

Related to the LIBOR reset, our credit line allows either prime or LIBOR based borrowings. Currently we have $75 million of our outstandings on a swap so it’s actually fixed rates, they’re not variable rates for $75 million. The balance is variable and as I said we can either choose prime or LIBOR. Generally you want to do LIBOR. Today and last week, prime has actually been lower then LIBOR so we’ve been actually borrowing at prime. But generally historically we do LIBOR locks for short periods of time, 30 days, 60 days, something like that. So it’s kind of constantly resetting on a short-term basis, other then the $75 million which is fixed. Hailey Wolf – Unspecified Company: What is your current rate versus what you were paying average rate in the third quarter?

Michael Malone

Chief Financial Officer

Well the current rate, prime is 450, so that’s what we’re borrowing at today because LIBOR is higher then that and our rate for the third quarter I would suspect that its closer to 3.25-ish, some place in that range.

Operator

Operator

Your final question comes from the line of Analyst

Analyst

Analyst

Just a clarification, there were two comments regarding the heavyweight motorcycle market, the first one I think you said that year-to-date it was down high single-digits and then the comment later was that the third quarter actually showed no deterioration, was only down I believe you said mid single-digits?

Bennett Morgan

President

What we’ve been trying to report here recently is the segments directly we compete in which is generally is 1400 cc and up and cruisers and touring, so that was the data that we reported specifically in the remarks. When we asked for a clarification on where the third quarter was all we had was the 900 cc and up for cruisers and touring and so that may be why you see a little wobble in that number. But in general the third quarter did not show deterioration from where we were in the first six months.

Analyst

Analyst

So it sounds as if the larger the bike the weaker the market?

Bennett Morgan

President

I think in general that has been true.

Richard Edwards

Management

We want to thank everyone again for participating in the call this morning and we’ll look forward to talking to you next quarter.