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Provident Financial Services, Inc. (PFS)

Q3 2020 Earnings Call· Fri, Oct 30, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Provident Financial Services, Inc. third quarter earnings call. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would like now to turn the conference over to Leonard Gleason, Investor Relations Officer. Please go ahead.

Leonard G. Gleason

Analyst

Thank you, Matt. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us for our third quarter earnings call. Today's presenters are Chris Martin, Chairman and CEO; Tony Labozzetta, President and Chief Operating Officer; and Tom Lyons, Senior Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before beginning their review of our financial results, we ask that you please take note of our standard caution as to any forward-looking statements that may be made during the course of today's call. Our full disclaimer is contained in this morning's earnings release, which has been posted to the Investor Relations page on our website, provident.bank. Now I'm pleased to introduce Chris Martin, who will offer his perspective on our third quarter. Chris?

Christopher Martin

Analyst

Thank you, Len, and good morning, all. I hope that everyone on this call and their families are healthy and safe. Our third quarter earnings improved as the economy recovered in a measured way, with protocols in place allowing businesses to reopen safely and for consumers to return to a semblance of normalcy. At the end of July, we were able to close on the SB One acquisition, which substantially increased both our balance sheet and earnings potential. Earnings per share were $0.37, including merger-related expenses of $2 million recorded during the quarter compared with $0.22 in Q2. Total assets at quarter end rose to $12.9 billion. The impact of COVID declined substantially during the quarter and related loan deferral levels to 3.2% of loans as of October 16, as we have seen a significant reduction in the number of consumers and businesses requesting part persistence. The allowance and the related provision reflects the ongoing impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on economic activity, including the hospitality, retail-related CRE and restaurant sectors. It remains uncertain when and if additional economic stimulus will be provided or when a vaccine will be approved, which may impact the ultimate collectability of certain commercial loans where borrowers have requested multiple deferrals or forbearance. And we have proactively downgraded our most vulnerable loans, and we continuously review credit quality loan by loan. We still do not know if and when losses will materialize, but we believe the first half of 2021 will be telling absent government assistance to trouble businesses and consumers. Now Tom will go over the loan payment deferrals in more detail, but suffice it to say, we have performed a deep dive analysis of full borrower requests for relief and are pleased that so many have recovered and resumed normal payments with approximately…

Thomas M. Lyons

Analyst

Thank you, Chris, and good morning, everyone. As Chris noted, our net income was $27.1 million or $0.37 per diluted share compared with $14.3 million or $0.22 per diluted share for the trailing quarter. Earnings for the current quarter reflect the $15.5 million acquisition date provision for credit losses on nonpurchased credit deteriorated loans acquired from SB One, partially offset by the favorable impact of an improved economic forecast. In addition, costs specific to our COVID response fell to $200,000 from $1 million in the trailing quarter. These improvements were partially offset by merger-related costs that increased to $2 million in the current quarter from $683,000 in the trailing quarter. Core pretax preprovision earnings, excluding provisions for credit losses on loans and commitments to extend credit, merger-related charges and COVID response costs were $44.4 million. This compares favorably with $35.9 million in the trailing quarter. Our net interest margin expanded 4 basis points versus the trailing quarter as we reduced funding costs and grew noninterest-bearing deposits, while earning asset yields stabilized and we deployed average excess liquidity. To combat margin compression, we continue to reprice deposit accounts downward and emphasize noninterest-bearing deposit growth. Including noninterest-bearing deposits, our total cost of deposits fell to 33 basis points this quarter from 41 basis points in the trailing quarter. Noninterest-bearing deposits averaged $2.21 billion or 25% of total average deposits for the quarter, an increase from $1.85 billion in the trailing quarter, reflecting the SB One acquisition and organic growth. Noninterest-bearing deposits totaled $2.38 billion at September 30, and average borrowing levels increased $43 million and the average cost of borrowed funds decreased 12 basis points versus the trailing quarter to 1.19%. This rate reduction was partially offset by subordinated debentures acquired from SB One that had an average balance of $16.4 million…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Mark Fitzgibbon with Piper Sandler.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

Belatedly congrats on your SB One deal. First, I wondered of the $199 million of loans that you referenced in the press release that have completed their initial deferral period, what percentage of those would you say are making partial payments?

Thomas M. Lyons

Analyst

2/3, Mark, of the deferred loans are paying at interest.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

Okay. Secondly, as you look at the cash balances, Tom, it looks like you have a little over $500 million of liquidity. How long do you think it takes you to kind of whittle that down? Is it -- will you buy securities or do other things with it? Can you give us a sense for the timing of deployment?

Thomas M. Lyons

Analyst

Some of the elevated position there, Mark, is related to collateral pledged on out of the money swap positions on the loan level hedge program. But the balance of that, yes, we would like to deploy, obviously, in the highest earning assets we can find preferably loans.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

Okay. And then I wonder if you could share with us your thoughts on maybe issuing sub debt to support additional buybacks.

Thomas M. Lyons

Analyst

Certainly under consideration. I think just on a normal basis, with cash from operations, we can resume buyback this quarter. We took a little pause last quarter, as we wanted to evaluate the capital position, once the combined entities were in place and get a little better handle on the potential impacts of the COVID event. But I think being back in the market makes a lot of sense, certainly, at these levels below tangible book.

Christopher Martin

Analyst

And Mark, this is Chris. We have about 1.2 million shares remaining in our current repurchase program.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

Okay. And then I guess, if you -- Tom, you and Chris had both referenced the fact that the margin is going to be under some pressure. Can you help us sort of think about the magnitude of that? How that plays out maybe over the next couple of quarters?

Thomas M. Lyons

Analyst

Yes. I actually don't think it's that bad, Mark. We have a couple of levers left on the funding side. There's probably 1 to 3 basis points depending on the quarter of improvements that we see or mitigation of any asset pressure from repricing of time deposits. We have a number of exception priced, nonmaturity deposits that we're looking to make a move on, on November 1 as well as the potential to do some other things there as the rate environment evolves. So we have some levers to mitigate the asset compression. The challenges that we face is we have a largely variable book. It's close to $2 billion worth of floating rate loans that are tied to LIBOR. And as you saw the slide this quarter, our 30-day LIBOR was down around 16 basis points for most of the quarter. So that's where the pressure is coming from. But I guess the shorter answer to your question is, I think it's probably between 1 and 3 basis points on any given quarter. I think we bottomed out around the [ 2.94 ] kind of level over the course of next year.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

Great. And then last question is on expenses, Tom. I know you don't have a full quarter of expenses yet for SB One in the numbers, and you also have some cost reductions going on. When do you think we'll get kind of at a normalized run rate for operating expenses? And where do you kind of see that level?

Thomas M. Lyons

Analyst

Yes. We are in the budget process currently. But I think next quarter and probably for this, I think we're in the low 60s per quarter is where we're going to end up in the 62% to 64% kind of range. Hopefully, I'm a little conservative on that.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Steven Duong with RBC Capital Markets.

Steven Duong

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Congratulations on the quarter. Just -- your provision is down to almost like pre-pandemic level, say, 29 basis points. So it's still a little elevated. If we look at your dividend, even with today's solid performance, your payout was north of 60%. Where do you ultimately want the payout to be? And what are the levers you're looking to pull to get there given this lower for longer rate environment?

Christopher Martin

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

This is Chris. I'll start out with -- well, we'd love it to be a lot lower, which we mean we're earning a heck of a lot more, but that would be not in this 0 rate environment. We've always targeted right around between 50% and 55% because that was a good return for our shareholders. We could go ahead and put more loans on the books, which we're looking forward to doing with the combination with SB One. That's a great return for our shareholders. So I think as we hopefully get to a more normalized environment, we'll be back in that 50% range. Obviously, as the recovery from COVID and CECL, I think that we'll be back down at that level fairly soon, absent another shutdown.

Steven Duong

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Great. And then just along the lines of payouts with buybacks, you referenced the $1.2 million in capacity. So that's about $16.8 million with the current price. And I think that's about a quarter's worth of earnings. Subsequent to that, are you looking to add another buyback potentially in the beginning of next year?

Christopher Martin

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Yes. We would have to go through -- if we finish this program, again, we have a quiet period that will come up in the middle of December. We would probably go to the Fed to put together another program, which would be a little more detailed as the Fed has taken more earnest interest on buyback program. So we will be going to the Fed with a program request.

Steven Duong

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Got it. And just along those lines, is there a capital level that we should be thinking about to guide us on the buybacks if you continue to trade below tangible book?

Thomas M. Lyons

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Yes. I mean I think we've talked about an 8.5 to 8.75 TCE being a comfortable level.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from [ Peter Kowalsky, ] a private investor.

Unknown Attendee

Analyst

First one is welcome Tony aboard, and I wish you much success. I've known Tony back in the old Interchange Financial days working with Tony Abbate. So welcome aboard, Tony. The question I have is, it's a 2-part question. It kind of pertains to the kind of the out migration we're starting to see out of New York City, hearing about vacancy rates going up, rent concessions being taken place. The first is, are you -- currently, are you seeing any effect from this out migration with maybe real estate appraisals, credit quality, loan demand in the city versus the suburban markets? Are suburban markets getting better? Is city getting worse? And then the second part is more a long-term view. Cities tend to have a life cycle of their own, which starts with the rebuild growth, then decline and decay. And these cycles are very long, multiple decades long. And I remember back, I guess it was 1976 when New York City almost defaulted on their bonds. And I would say that was probably the bottom. I remember the condition of New York City at that time, which was not too great. And I'm wondering if this is maybe potentially the beginning of a multi-decade decline as they go into a down cycle. And the question I have is, has the Credit Committee discuss this potential decline? And if so, how would you want to limit your geographical exposure to these markets and maybe be more conservative in your financial projections when underwriting multifamily and commercial real estate?

Christopher Martin

Analyst

Pete, I'll jump on that one first and pass along to my colleagues. First, I'll start off by saying that neither of our banks and on a combined basis, we don't have much exposure in the New York City market, meaning Manhattan Proper. SB One had a little bit more in the story Eastern -- Western Long Island markets. In those areas, we really haven't seen much in the way of change. Vacancies are still strong in those markets, not many clients in deferrals at all. And so that's remaining strong. I think the areas outside of New York are faring a lot better than New York City proper. With regards to our underwriting, I think we have enhanced our diligence a bit. And not doing highly leveraged transactions and looking at great sponsors in terms of doing deals. Again, I would say that New York City is not a market that we've played in. I do believe it will recover at some period of time, that's an opinion, 2, 3 years. However, that's not where we've played.

Thomas M. Lyons

Analyst

Yes. I think to a degree, the out migration from the city strengthened some of the markets we do country trade in. Certainly, residential markets are improved. And even suburban office space is, I think, finding a better floor as people look to move the low-rise with greater space and commute by car rather than mass transit.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Russell Gunther with D.A. Davidson.

Russell Gunther

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

I wanted to follow up, Chris, on your comments in the prepared remarks about the improved volume of opportunities on the growth side. I heard you on the pipeline being up. If you guys could just spend a minute talking about where you would expect those opportunities to pull-through from a loan mix and any kind of geographic contribution as well?

Christopher Martin

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

Sure. I think one of the pleasant things we saw this quarter was our volume, our production numbers were strong. Now you can say some of that was attributable to the pent-up demand that we had in the second quarter. The real crystal ball effect that's a challenge for us is trying to figure out how to continue to build that pipeline. The lending teams as we talk, they're seeing the activity out there, but we all are very cautious on where that pipeline is coming from. It's certainly not material in the multifamily space. I would say industrial space has been strong for us. And that's where we see most of that pulling through. Again, neither one of us were really strong heavily on the multifamily side. So that's where I would see it pull through. But again, cautiously optimistic in what we're seeing, but I think the challenge remains on building the pipeline moving forward.

Thomas M. Lyons

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

Yes. A piece of it is as simple as the combined organization, too, Russell. We added 8 revenue producers in terms of lending and cash management through the acquisitions. We brought on the SB One pipeline. So day 1, we picked up opportunity there.

Russell Gunther

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

Understood. Okay. Great. And then just a follow-up, Tom, on the expense guide. I know you guys are still going through the process. But within the 62% to 64%, could you just provide some color on what that assumes from a timing and magnitude perspective from the deal-related cost saves?

Thomas M. Lyons

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

Yes. I'll go back to the initial assumptions, which was about a $13.5 million plus save of SB One's expense base on an annualized basis. I think we've realized about $3.5 million of that through personnel so far this year. That's again annualized, so you don't see it fully reflected in the financials, but that -- those actions have occurred. A little bit more of that, obviously, come through. We have a core conversion scheduled for November 13. So we're moving along with the integration, and there will be some additional cost saves to come as we reduce some of the duplicative costs around data processing with the balance to follow in 2021, early part of '21, which I expect as kind of 75.

Russell Gunther

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

Awesome. I appreciate it. And then just a little ticky tacky question, but on the margin expectation. Could you just give us a sense for what purchase accounting would contribute in the near term?

Thomas M. Lyons

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

Yes. The purchase accounting was 4 basis points, and it really all happened on the funding side. So I almost don't even view that as noncore because I'm very confident that we'll be able to replace that funding at market levels with the deposit-generating capabilities that we have, and where market levels are and are expected to remain. So I don't think that goes away. I think that's a long-term benefit we pick up.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Collyn Gilbert with KBW.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW.

First, just housekeeping question. Tom, was there not a double count in the provision because of bringing SB One over for CECL?

Thomas M. Lyons

Analyst · KBW.

There is. The non-PCD loans get double counted, right? The $15.5 million in provision on the non-PCD is also reflected in the fair value more.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW.

Okay. Okay. All right. Got it. And then just back, Chris, to your -- in your opening comments, you had indicated you guys had downgraded a handful of credits. Just curious what you saw this quarter in your criticized and classified loan trends? And if some of those downgrades were reflected there?

Christopher Martin

Analyst · KBW.

Yes. They're increasing, Collyn. Obviously, I think we're quick to recognize the potential risk there and ensure that the loans get the proper scrutiny. So with the combination of the 2 portfolios, as we mentioned, about $11.5 million came through in nonaccruals through the acquisition. And just as deferrals in general, as they continue to extend their period, we make sure we do risk rate appropriately. So we have seen a fairly sizable increase in criticized and classified.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW.

Okay. Do you happen to have any numbers around that? Or do we just have to wait for the Q?

Christopher Martin

Analyst · KBW.

Yes. Excluding PCD, it's around 4.30, 4.40, I think. And PCD portfolio is about $305 million.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW.

Okay. Okay. Got it. And then just thinking about the reserve going forward, Tom, and how -- obviously, the expectation on charge-offs is going to play into that. But just kind of broadly, how you guys are thinking about the reserve?

Thomas M. Lyons

Analyst · KBW.

Yes. For me, the charge-offs don't play in as much. I'm assuming CECL works the way it's supposed to. Those future charge-offs are captured in the current provisioning. Of course, that's easy to say and hard to convince your auditors up later. But I think the 116 ex-PPP levels that were at nail make a lot of sense to us. I don't see a dramatic change unless there's a significant shift in the economic forecast. Do we see a dramatic resurge in the reimposition of shutdowns?

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW.

Okay. Okay. So then, I guess, part 2 of that is then, I know it's hard to get a sense where charge-offs are going to lie. And you ran through the LTVs, which was really helpful. But -- so there's nothing -- I'm putting words in your mouth, but maybe asking the question, is there anything in the book that gives you concern or thoughts that you'll start to see like material upticks in net charge-offs as we move into the fourth quarter and into the first quarter?

Thomas M. Lyons

Analyst · KBW.

I don't think we see significant loss content, again, partially based on those LTVs and more intimate knowledge of the customers. But even our hotel book, which is probably where I have the most concern, just because of the nature of the business, we're seeing reasonably okay occupancy levels. I mean they range as low as 30 and as high as 80 depending on where they are. We don't have any of the stuff that I think is seeing the most stress in the market that the Manhattan-based tourism business-driven stuff. It's more New Jersey that's performing okay. We've done a process of risk rating our deferral loans, red, yellow, green kind of is what we expect to see move into a -- potentially move into a nonperforming category, but even within the red of those -- of that group, we don't see a whole lot of lost content.

Anthony Labozzetta

Analyst · KBW.

Yes. I would echo that, Collyn. This is Tony. We drill down on a loan-by-loan level. And there's nothing -- I mean, obviously, we're in an environment where things are fluid, but the best available information we have today gives us no reason to think that these charge-offs are going to show up from nowhere. Can we expect to see one of the items that we classify red potentially go NPA? Sure, but it's not vivid. So we're not having an expectation that losses will be magnified.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW.

Okay. That's great. Okay. And then, Tom, I think you ran through some of this, sorry. Can you -- would you mind just breaking out again on the PPP side? What the impact was this quarter? And how that splits between you guys and SB One in terms of balances and then also income?

Thomas M. Lyons

Analyst · KBW.

Yes. SB One added about $75 million in PPP loans to our existing roughly $400 million, let's say, that we had recorded. In terms of income, we did not have any forgiveness in the quarter. So it was all coming through regular yield, which is about a 2.75 rate. The remaining unaccreted deferred fee income that's subject to acceleration, if we start seeing forgiveness coming, is about $8 million, a little bit over $8 million.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW.

Okay. Got it. Yes. Okay. And then just to tie back on the expenses. So your 62% to 64% outlook is a fair bit higher than what I was projecting, which I just could have been slightly at wrong. But just trying to understand and sort of correlate that with your fee outlook, right? Because obviously, SB One coming over, the insurance is a more meaningful component. So just -- I guess kind of perhaps give us an outlook on where you think the fee growth can go? And then is -- in that 62% to 64%, is there some assumption there on costs related to just higher expected fee revenue?

Thomas M. Lyons

Analyst · KBW.

On the fee side first, I think $17 million to $20 million is kind of the range I'm expecting. The insurance business for 2 months that we are a combined entity did bring us $1.7 million. So just because we haven't talked about before, it is a nice business. The profitability metrics are kind of consistent with wealth management. I think you're looking at about a 22% to 24% net margin, roughly 68% to 70% efficiency ratio in that business. So that should give us about $0.025, $0.03 of EPS as a contribution. On the cost side, I hope I haven't factored in. I hope your math is better than mine at this point. I caveat all this that we are still in the budgeting process so I tried to lean towards the conservative side where I can. But that does reflect expected cost saves as well as cost increases in the normal course as we get to the next year.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW.

Okay. Okay. And then just back on the insurance front. Is -- I think, Tony, the third quarter is seasonally the highest, right, for you guys on insurance?

Anthony Labozzetta

Analyst · KBW.

Is what? I'm sorry?

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst · KBW.

Seasonally the highest?

Anthony Labozzetta

Analyst · KBW.

No. The first quarter is seasonally the highest. Third quarter, we do okay as well. The second quarter tends to be -- and the fourth quarter tends to be the lowest historically. First quarter is the highest. I was just going to characterize -- I mean, since you brought up insurance a couple of times, I think the -- that's something looking forward, that's exciting to all of us because now we have a bigger footprint that the insurance group certainly can work with, and we're already seeing some of the dynamic and the prospects looking -- going forward should be really healthy. So I'm excited about that.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Erik Zwick with Boenning and Scattergood.

Erik Zwick

Analyst · Boenning and Scattergood.

First question. Just looking at the unfunded loan commitments that went from $1.7 billion at June 30 to about $2.3 billion at the end of the third quarter. Just curious what drove that? And if it was all in the legacy book? Or is some of that attributable to SB One as well?

Thomas M. Lyons

Analyst · Boenning and Scattergood.

Certainly a piece attributable to the SB One and the unused lines, the biggest component of that.

Erik Zwick

Analyst · Boenning and Scattergood.

Got it. And then just with the kind of changes in updates to the New Jersey corporate tax rate. Tom, any expectations for how the 4Q tax rate will shape up and then going into 2021, if you've got that guidance yet at this point?

Thomas M. Lyons

Analyst · Boenning and Scattergood.

Best guess right now, obviously, subject to change, is 24% for both of those items.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jake Civiello with Janney.

Jacob Civiello

Analyst · Janney.

Chris, I know you mentioned in some of your earlier comments that the new loan origination yields remain below the current portfolio yields. Can you give us what the new commercial loan origination yields were at the end of the third quarter?

Christopher Martin

Analyst · Janney.

Yes, I'll handle that. 3.25 to 3.5.

Thomas M. Lyons

Analyst · Janney.

We're in the low 3 there.

Christopher Martin

Analyst · Janney.

3.25 to 3.5. Some of the pipeline -- some of the stuff we're seeing in the pipeline is closer to 3.5 range.

Thomas M. Lyons

Analyst · Janney.

Yes. I think the overall pipeline rate is 3.55.

Christopher Martin

Analyst · Janney.

Getting closer, Jake, to that point. And obviously, we're always ratcheting up pricing a little bit, and it's tougher to move the deposit costs down. So our team is putting floors in place. There's a discipline regarding the return on equity on those loans, making sure our pricing models are accurate with this 0 rate environment, which is always difficult. And you have to ratchet those back a little bit differently, as for when you had a upward sloping yield curve. And again, we've been doing still swaps on things going out 10 years and longer. I know some of the competition is doing things out 10 years, which we don't think that's the right place to play. So as -- the competitive factors are involved in that also. So -- and I know that we see that out in our Pennsylvania market, a little more so than New Jersey is that the smaller players are protecting their book very closely, and the big players are leading with some pretty low rates, and they probably have the balance sheet to go ahead and do that. So we're trying to be very disciplined in how we're going forward with new business.

Jacob Civiello

Analyst · Janney.

Great. I appreciate those thoughts. Just one more question from me. Have you evaluated any alternatives to potentially reduce the cost of some of your borrowings to include the subordinated debt?

Thomas M. Lyons

Analyst · Janney.

I guess on the sub debt, just the consideration of doing an offering on our own partially to use everything mark-to-market, obviously, at the acquisition date, but when we get to the point where it no longer qualifies for Tier 1 capital, I think we could take that out and reprice it market.

Jacob Civiello

Analyst · Janney.

Have you thought about prepaying any of the borrowings?

Christopher Martin

Analyst · Janney.

I don't think that there's much there that's still out of market that would be worthwhile. And as you know, as you look at and Tom has run the numbers a lot. When you look at the economics of that, it never really is a good value for shareholders. What you're doing you have taken the hit now for a little bit better future possibly later. So I think for our -- our borrowing book is pretty well structured that we don't have a lot of high-cost borrowings at the home loan bank to do any prepayment situations.

Thomas M. Lyons

Analyst · Janney.

Yes. And short duration as well. So those things will mature our roll to market in short order. That's part of what I was talking about earlier when I said that there are opportunities both on the CD and the borrowing side, where the price is going to roll down and help to maintain the margin.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Chris Martin for any closing remarks.

Christopher Martin

Analyst

We are extremely excited about the prospects for our combined companies, and we have the capital, the market and the team to drive prudent growth and expansion of our relationship banking model. And we hope that the election results and the holiday season bring our country together to tackle the many issues that confront our society. We thank you for your time on the call, and we want you to be well and stay safe. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.