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Operator
Operator
Good morning and welcome to the Provident Financial Services second quarter 2010 earnings conference call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. (Operator instructions) Please note that this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Christopher Martin. Please go ahead, sir.
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Christopher Martin
Management
Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Before we discuss our second quarter 2010 results, we ask that you please review our standard cautions as to any forward-looking statements that may be made during today’s review of our financial performance. A full disclosure and disclaimer can be found in the text of our earnings release and you may also obtain a copy of that and all of our SEC filings by accessing our Web site www.providentnj.com or by calling our Investor Relations Department at 201 915 5344. For today’s discussion, I am joined by Tom Lyons, our CFO. Our earnings of $12.9 million or $0.23 a share represent an improvement of more than double of the same quarter last year. And actually, we are pleased with these results as our net interest income before the loan loss provision increased $9 million from the same quarter last year. Our earnings and margin improvement continues to be driven by the funding area, specifically the cost of deposits. During the quarter, we further reduced our pricing and level of CDs while sustaining the growth in our core deposits, which now represents 71.9% of total deposits. Core deposits increased $76.2 million during the quarter, while time deposits declined $130.5 million with many of these exiting CD customers being single-product based. We continue to price deposits lower, albeit at a declining rate as we approach implied floors, but expect that a more competitive deposit pricing will ensue as banks replace borrowings that will be assessed by the FDIC under the recently enacted financial legislation. And on a related note, we are continuing our analysis of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform & Consumer Protection Act. The voluminous regulations that will eventually follow will take several government agencies months to promulgate, and even longer for financial institutions and regulators…
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Tom Lyons
CFO
Thank you, Chris, and good morning everyone. Net income for the second quarter 2010 was $12.9 million or $0.23 per share compared to $11.2 million or $0.20 per share for the first quarter of 2009. Compared with the trailing quarter, second quarter results benefitted from a $1.4 million increase in net interest income, driven by reductions in the cost of funds as we continue to emphasis core deposit generation and favorably re-priced interest bearing liabilities. In addition, the company realized $831,000 decrease in interest expense compared with the trailing quarter as expense management remains an area of strategic focus. At June 30, 2010, tangible common equity to tangible assets increased to 8.58%. The company's regulatory capital ratios strengthened further, and the company and the bank continue to be well capitalized under current regulatory guidelines. During the second quarter, total loans were largely unchanged, increasing by a net of $362,000 as growth in the commercial lending categories was nearly offset by net reductions in retail loans, resulting from lack of qualified consumer demand. Commercial mortgage loans, including multifamily loans, increased $72 million, while commercial loans, consisting of middle market and business banking loans, increased $12 million. However, construction loans decreased $37 million, residential mortgage loans decreased $34 million, and consumer loans decreased $12 million during the quarter due to amortization, sales and payoffs. The company originated and sold $9.3 million of 30-year fixed rate residential mortgage loans during the quarter. Total commercial loans, consisting of commercial real estate, construction and C&I loans, increased to 53.8% of total loans at June 30, 2010 compared to 52.7% at March 31. Nonperforming loans increased to $93.2 million at June 30 from $82.6 million at March 31. The increase in nonperforming loans was largely due to a $5.8 million increase in nonperforming commercial loans and…
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Operator
Operator
(Operator instructions) Our first question will come from Mark Fitzgibbon from Sandler O'Neill. Please go ahead.
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Christopher Martin
Management
Good morning, Mark.
Mark Fitzgibbon – Sandler O'Neill & Partners: Hi. Chris, I wondered if – just couple of thing here. First, you guys underprovided a little bit in the first quarter relative to charge-offs in the second quarter overprovided a little bit. How should we be thinking about coverage in future quarters?
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Christopher Martin
Management
I think some minimal continued reserve build. It’s probably not unreasonable to project – to expect Mark. The under-provision, as you put it in the first quarter was really a result of some significant charge-offs that’s been 100% specifically reserved for it. I think given current economic conditions and where risk ratings have gone on some of the loan portfolio delinquencies, it is reasonable to expect we maintain coverage ratio similar to what we’ve seen.
Mark Fitzgibbon – Sandler O'Neill & Partners: And then on your – you mentioned briefly about deposit costs, and there's clearly some high deposit ratepayers in your market. Is that going to prevent you guys from dropping deposit rates much more?
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Tom Lyons
CFO
We don’t see that happening. There are going to be people who are paying up the past due to fund some of their operations with our commercial growth that we are still seeing in the multifamily world. We are getting a lot more deposits that are correlated. So we still think that we don’t have to raise our rates and we will do that with striking our fee going forward.
Mark Fitzgibbon – Sandler O'Neill & Partners: Okay. And then next, you mentioned your relentless pursuit of lower costs. Do you guys have any goals for the efficiency ratio or nonoperating expenses?
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Tom Lyons
CFO
Well, I think right now we are at about 2.02 on operating expense. We would like that to be in the 1.00 certainly. We also look at efficiency ratio. We’ve always said 55 would be a number that would be another summit for us to accomplish and then go from there. So as long as the credit in this economy requires to have people in the collection world and adding structure. We are going to keep it that number being around 55; that’s our goal. As asset quality continues we might be able to look at shrinkage. On the other side, we’d like to think that the economy recovers and then we will be adding people to bring in more loans as we get the opportunity.
Mark Fitzgibbon – Sandler O'Neill & Partners: The last question I had was about M&A. We started to see some activity in New England. Is the M&A market likely, in your opinion, to thaw in New Jersey sometime soon?
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Christopher Martin
Management
It depends on what your definition of sometime soon. I think there is still a lot of a shakeout probably happening from the regulatory changes that are going to come down the pike and the burdens that that will provide the smaller institutions that will have – with struggling with the operating expenses attached to that compliance. I think it will get a little bit better as we, I mean, more open in the M&A world. So, yes, I think it will get a little bit more open and we probably would be involved to at least get to see every opportunity available.
Mark Fitzgibbon – Sandler O'Neill & Partners: Great. Thank you.
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Christopher Martin
Management
Thank you.
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Operator
Operator
Our next question will come from Rick Weiss from Janney Montgomery Scott. Please go ahead.
Rick Weiss – Janney Montgomery Scott: Good morning. Actually, I would like to follow up on one of Mark's questions about the deposit pricing, which actually I didn't really understand what he was driving at. But I was wondering if you could talk to me about – are you trying to extend the liabilities – the terms on the liability right now in the current environment? And how are you with respect to interest-rate sensitivity? How are you positioned?
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Christopher Martin
Management
I will take the first part, Mark. We have been a times, taking advantage through our borrowings to extend and match fund whenever possible. So we have been able to do some longer term funding in this environment that we think to be and we’ve modeled it out to be relatively inexpensive and locked in spread when it comes to funding some commercial lending. Even though we could fund it cheaper by core deposits, you have to really look at your balance sheet and sometimes the best thing to do is position for the long-term. In regards to the other comment in the way of cost, Tom, do you have any other numbers related to his question here?
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Tom Lyons
CFO
Well, I think with respect to interest rate sensitivity we are slightly positively GAAPed on a one-year basis. The interest rate risk sensitivity now falls within our acceptable parameters in all cases, but as Chris said, we do look to selectively extend liabilities when the pricing makes sense. And certainly, if we can match fund any loans and lock in a spread, we will continue to do that. We do have a fair amount of liabilities we are pricing over the next six months. That $488 million in the third quarter and another $337 million in the fourth quarter, it should favor pricing about 50 basis points on those.
Rick Weiss – Janney Montgomery Scott: Okay. Thank you very much.
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Christopher Martin
Management
You are welcome.
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Tom Lyons
CFO
Thank you.
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Operator
Operator
Our next question will come from Jason O'Donnell from Boenning & Scattergood. Please go ahead.
Jason O'Donnell – Boenning & Scattergood: Good morning. I apologize if I missed it, but could you just give us some detail around the expected impact of Reg E in the back half of the year, or at least the total number of overdraft fees currently at risk?
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Tom Lyons
CFO
Yes, Jason. We are actively working to secure those opt-ins, especially from the customers who most actively use the product. We are having a great deal of success with the people that we’ve been able to reach. Over 70% of the people we’ve gotten to speak to have opted in. Our initial estimates were about $2.4 million in the back half of the year. We are down to about $1.5 million at this point, and we expect that to continue to come in further.
Jason O'Donnell – Boenning & Scattergood: Okay, great. And then I guess just moving on to credit, I'm wondering if you could just give us an update on the size of the marine portfolio, given that that continues to be charged off pretty regularly. I'm just wondering what the strategy there is at this point, and are you going to continue to run that to zero or would you consider liquidating that?
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Christopher Martin
Management
It’s currently about $75 million. And maybe it's because it's the summer months, but the delinquencies have slowed up and there have been a couple that have been cured. I don't know if it will carry forward when we get to November. But we are not going to certainly grow that portfolio. We are letting it run off. If the economy recovers and there's an opportunity for us to move that at a decent rate, we would look at that. But right now, that’s not really in the cards.
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Tom Lyons
CFO
I could add to that the current 90-plus delinquent indirect marine loans are $1.4 million. It’s 435 – I'm sorry, seven loans.
Jason O'Donnell – Boenning & Scattergood: Okay, perfect. And then I guess finally, just switching to expenses, could you just go back to the other operating expense line? I'm wondering how much in OREO expenses are in there versus the prior quarter?
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Tom Lyons
CFO
OREO expenses were about $70,000 only for the quarter. Last quarter, it was close to $600,000. We had a fairly substantial write-down on a foreclosed asset that was recognized last quarter.
Jason O'Donnell – Boenning & Scattergood: Thanks very much.
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Tom Lyons
CFO
Thanks, Jason.
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Operator
Our next question will come from Collyn Gilbert from Stifel Nicolaus. Please go ahead.
Collyn Gilbert – Stifel Nicolaus: Thanks, good morning, guys.
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Christopher Martin
Management
Good morning.
Collyn Gilbert – Stifel Nicolaus: Well, Rick doesn't know what Mark was getting at, and I don't what Rick was getting at, so this is all a great group of sell-side analysts you have here.
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Christopher Martin
Management
Wonderful.
Collyn Gilbert – Stifel Nicolaus: Anyway, just moving to the question part of it, what rates are you guys seeing on some of the multifamily products that you are doing, as well as the traditional CRE products?
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Christopher Martin
Management
We can say that it is getting to areas that we get a little concerned in the way of risk-adjusted rates of return. Some – I certainly know that the agencies are sub-5, which is something that we would never probably go near, but it’s very competitive. Some of our competitors are out there in very low 5’s right now. There is very selective, we would even go that low in that regard. We do have to price accordingly, but we are challenged. Every time we put out a commitment there is a few other who will follow up. We're going to continue to get the personal guarantees we like. We like to get the deposits that are attached to it. That being said we have to look at if you are doing 5-year and/or 10-year, let’s say, 4.875, I would question really is that a good investment for us and for shareholders.
Collyn Gilbert – Stifel Nicolaus: Okay, so staying out of the market would be more a function of price than lack of – necessarily lack of demand?
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Christopher Martin
Management
Collyn Gilbert – Stifel Nicolaus: Okay, okay, that's helpful. And then just on the expense side, those were good targets that you gave us. Anything, in particular, that's going to drive that 2% down to a 1% within the expense structure?
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Christopher Martin
Management
Collyn Gilbert – Stifel Nicolaus: Great, that's helpful. Okay, thanks. That's all I had.
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Christopher Martin
Management
Thank you.
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Operator
Our next question will come from Damon DelMonte KBW. Please go ahead.
Timur Braziler – KBW: Hi, good morning. This is actually Timur Braziler with KBW. Just a couple questions for you guys. The first, on the $5.5 million of residential NPLs this quarter, how many loans comprise that balance and was any of that restructuring?
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Tom Lyons
CFO
146 loans, and none of that is restructured at this point.
Timur Braziler – KBW: Okay. And would you happen to have the total TDR balance and maybe what that did quarter-over-quarter?
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Tom Lyons
CFO
Timur Braziler – KBW: Okay, great. And the only other question I had – and I think I missed this when you were talking on your prepared remarks – but what did 30 days to 89 days past due do in this quarter?
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Tom Lyons
CFO
Quarter-to-Quarter, down 41% or $23 million, so pretty nice decrease.
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Christopher Martin
Management
Obviously, we are hoping that we are hitting a place where there won’t be as many people falling into the hopper and we will have to work through the rest. That will always – I think everybody is going to have those numbers come in a little bit. We are hoping that will continue and get to a trend line that will go the right direction.
Timur Braziler – KBW: Okay. What drove much of that early-stage delinquency decline? Is there a particular category?
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Tom Lyons
CFO
Actually, every category is down. Residential is down $6.6 million; commercial mortgage, down $7.1 million; commercial, down almost $9 million; consumers, down $1.8 million.
Timur Braziler – KBW: Perfect, thanks a lot.
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Christopher Martin
Management
Thank you.
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Operator
Operator
Our next question will come from Matthew Kelley from Sterne, Agee. Please go ahead.
Matthew Kelley – Sterne, Agee: Hi, guys. Just looking at the sequential $5 million increase in nonperforming loans, but can you give us a sense of the resolutions, cures, exits, your ability to sell notes? Give us a sense of what went out the door in that balance.
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Christopher Martin
Management
Well, I think there is a combination of everything, and it's really just getting your hands on it. You have to work through the process. And each one is kind of unique when you go through it. There could be mezz debt that has got to get remedied. We also have participants that you have to get everybody to agree to on some of the larger loans. There's really no one-size-fits-all. I mean, there's an opportunity to basically sell some notes, and almost at par; you just have to get to it through the legal channel to make sure all the documentation is there. And we look at all those, though there is not prior sale going on here because we didn’t do – fully leverage a 100% financing on many of these items. So even though there has been some downdraft in the market, maybe some of these still have the potential that we don’t need to sell them at $0.30 from $1.
Matthew Kelley – Sterne, Agee: Okay. And what is the dollar amount of total resolutions during the quarter – that gets us to the net $5 million increase?
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Tom Lyons
CFO
Matthew Kelley – Sterne, Agee: Okay, got you. And then just turning to the margin, you mentioned that 3Q should look solid as liabilities costs come down. But if you are looking at those origination yields in the 5% range versus a 5.40% average yield in the portfolio, would it be fair to assume that that could be an inflection point if the rate environment remains kind of static?
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Tom Lyons
CFO
Yes. I think we are getting there. I think the margin expansion will be tempered for the next quarter or two and then we might be at that point. Because we are approaching those implied floors and liabilities, and we will start to see our earning assets yields decrease a bit.
Matthew Kelley – Sterne, Agee: Okay, got you. All right, thank you.
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Christopher Martin
Management
Thank you.
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Operator
Operator
This does conclude our question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Martin for any closing remarks.
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Christopher Martin
Management
We thank you for your attention on the call. We look forward to talking to you in our next quarter. Hopefully, things will continue on the trend lines that we have and we appreciate your interest in PFS. Thank you very much.
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Operator
The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.