Art Penn
Analyst · Ladenburg. Please go ahead
So, it's a good question Mickey and I think that the real answer is our brand and our awareness in the market, right now is greater than our capital. We're kind of moderately sized firm. We're not one of these firms that manages $20 billion or anything. So, when you manage the type of capital that we have and you put our brands to market, which we think is very strong, and then you put very senior, talented investment professional against that in market, in a region, we've been able to generate ample flow for our moderately sized vehicles. So that's what's going on. We hired people into the platform. Again it's a different model. We ask our investment professionals to do deals from end zone to end zone. They are supposed to be helping originate it, diligence, underwrite it, bring it through investment committee, negotiate confidence and then monitor it once it's in portfolio. So we ask them to do end zone to end zone. And importantly and that is, their job is not to originate. They don't get paid a commission to bring a deal in. Their job really is, is to be the line of first defense to protect our capital and to protect shareholders capital and make good investments. So when we hired our Managing Director on the West Coast, we said your title is not Head of West Coast origination, your title is Head of West Coast investment, you are the line of first defense. So that involves him to not only originate, but also he and the team that we assigned to these deals has to own the credit risk and has to make sure they underwrite it properly. I think what's really helped us underwrite, why we've had such a good senior debt track record is because as you know we started out 11 years ago as a mezzanine or subordinated debt shop. And we underwrite senior debt, the same way that we underwrite subordinated debt. And we had a very nice track record underwriting subordinated debt. So, by definition, when we underwrite senior debt, which is usually less risky, we are using the same underwriting discipline. So, why we've had 98% recoveries and all that, I think in part and parcels because of how we underwrite and how we structure.