Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the PDF Solutions, Inc. Conference Call to discuss its Financial Results for the Fourth Quarter and Full Year Ended Monday December 31, 2018. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we will conduct a question-and-answer session. For which, instructions will be given at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to our host Gary Dovercheck [ph]. Mr. Dovercheck, you may go ahead. Unidentified Company Participant Thank you, Jerica, and good afternoon, everyone. We appreciate you joining us for PDF Solutions' fourth quarter and full year 2018 earnings conference call. We distributed the press release earlier today after the close. It's available on the company's website and from Newswire services. Joining me today is John Kibarian, PDF's President and Chief Executive Officer; and Christine Russell, PDF's Chief Financial Officer. First, John, will review the operating highlights and then, Christine, will review the financials for the quarter and then we'll take questions. Before I turn the call over to John, I'd like to make a brief statement regarding forward-looking remarks. This call contains forward-looking information regarding future events and the future financial performance of the company. We caution you that such statements are predictions based on management's current expectations and beliefs. Actual results may differ materially as a result of risks and uncertainties that pertain to our business. We refer you to the company's press release issued this morning -- this afternoon, excuse me, under our SEC filings. These documents discuss important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in the company's projections are forward-looking statements. We assume no obligation to revise any forward-looking statements made on today's call. In addition, we'll be referring to non-GAAP financial measures during the call. These non-GAAP financial measures are not prepared in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles. GAAP to non-GAAP consideration -- reconciliation as well as an explanation behind the use of non-GAAP financial measures is available on our press release, prepared remarks, and in the appendix of slides. With that, I'll now turn the call over to John. John?

Thank you, and welcome, everyone. If you've not already seen our earnings press release and financial report presentation for the quarter and full year, please go to the Investors section of our website where each has been posted. Today we will discuss our results for the fourth quarter, our performance for the full year, the fact is that we believe position PDF well in the marketplace and the implications for 2019. Several years ago, we embarked in a multiyear initiative to evolve PDF into a semiconductor analytics platform company. The key component to our platform is differentiated data sources such as the Design for Inspection and Characterization Vehicle data. Our analytics enable customers to have foresight. We give them the ability to see what is likely to happen in the future manufacturing test or operations and prevent or correct for an impending problem. This is a significant improvement for the industry. The conventional approach involve using data for historical insights and events that already happened. Our approach now is proactive not reactive. The Exensio platform is being deployed across the supply chain. Customers and suppliers can work collaboratively to squeeze more value out of their manufacturing technologies at a time when Moore's Law is diminishing. We are now moving our revenue model to a ratable subscriptions. We believe this model is more predictable and less variable than the old approach, which was a combination of solutions deployment fees and gainshare incentive. The foundation of our new business model is nearly complete. We have made substantial progress in 2018, including important achievements in the fourth quarter. Let me elaborate on those achievements and then review the full year. Importantly, we achieved a key milestone for the eProbe 250. As we announced in the last -- as we announced last month we…

Thank you, John. Most of you will have seen our financials in our earnings release. In addition, we posted in the Investor Relations section of our website a management report with financials and comments regarding the results of PDF for the quarter. So I'll focus my comments on a few key areas. All of the financial results that we provide on this call are on a non-GAAP basis, which excludes stock-based compensation, amortization of intangibles, one-time and restructuring charges. Please refer to our press release for our GAAP results and GAAP to non-GAAP reconciliation. Revenue for the fourth quarter was $19.7 million, a 2% decrease from the prior quarter. Solutions revenue decreased quarter-over-quarter by $1.3 million and gainshare revenue increased by $839,000. The decrease in solutions revenue was primarily a result of lower hours spent on IYR project partially offset by increased sales of Exensio DFI solutions. Exensio DFI revenues benefited from the extension of an existing Exensio contract with a large Asia-based company and the renewal and purchase of additional product with a major Taiwan fab. The increase in gainshare revenue was primarily at the 14-nanometer node. Cost of sales for the fourth quarter was lower by almost $1 million, at $9.7 million compared to the third quarter. The lower costs are a result of our restructuring activity initiated during the period. Total operating expenses for fourth quarter were $11 million, which is $248,000 higher than the third quarter, primarily due to a one-time payment to our former auditors for their final fees. Compensation was lower as we continue to manage down our employee base through voluntary attrition, slower hiring and our fourth quarter risks. Travel expense and the cost related to subcontractors were also lower than the prior quarter. We continue to analyze all the costs of the…

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Jon Tanwanteng with CJS Securities.

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. Can I ask that the eProbe 250 is that now installed on the floor of your customer? And has there been any initial feedback? How are they experiencing it?

It arrived before the New Year's holiday in Asia. It was secured for earthquake they went away for a week and I think now it's being installed as we speak.

Okay. Great. And is it generating?

It will be generating data till effectively Q2. And we continue to use the eProbe 150 until we have the eProbe 250 up.

Okay. Great. And are you taking that 150 back, or is it staying there?

Normally it will come back, still to be seen. Contracts it will come back.

Got it. Jumping to the gainshare the $7.1 million in the quarter which was nice to see, is that all from GLOBALFOUNDRIES 14-nanometer? Was there any China in there at all? And just any color on how that played out? And then 28-nanometer was in the next.

That is more than -- of course it's much more than just GLOBALFOUNDRIES. That includes foundries in Taiwan as well as foundries in other parts of the world including China.

Okay. Was there any other 14 besides GLOBAL? I guess it's a...

There were -- 14 yes. Actually couple of 14s I kind of think about it, 2 other 14s.

Okay, great. And any update on the situation with GLOBALFOUNDRIES now that they have terminated those seven investment? Are you going to see any competition for the contract you had with them, or are you still working on that? Any update on timing and kind of size and what the resolution may be?

Yes. As we said our contract is non-cancelable. We'll make -- we will collect all the money from that contract either from that direct contract or additional business and we are in discussions with them on that as we speak. We have a very long history with them and we don't see any issues there.

Okay. And just to be clear there wasn't any in Q4, right?

No, we took -- there was -- because we had no hours in Q4, we had no revenue rec for that contract in Q4.

Okay, got it. Christine can we expect operating expense to be lower as we go forward from the restructuring and the cost-saving efforts you're doing, or are you going to reinvest that somewhere?

Well, I would call it flattish except for one area. Since our revenues are going to be increasing slightly as John mentioned we do have some variable expense associated with that that includes sales commissions and bonuses. So, to the extent revenue increases those commissions and bonuses will increase.

Okay, got it. And then just on an overall revenue basis John as you look into 2019 you talked about the analytics being the growing piece of your business. Can you just clarify what analytics means? Does that mean DFI plus Exensio or is your other stuff in there? And kind of what was that base of business in 2018 and kind of what are the expectations for growth in 2019 overall?

Yes, so our solutions revenue in 2018 was around $60 million for Christine's words correctly and we said north of 60% of that was analytics. And what that includes is Exensio as well as contracts like the contract I described on the renewal where it's a combination of Exensio and CVi where our customer will use that Characterization Vehicle Infrastructure and a fab on a ratable basis and it does include DFI. Anything that's on a time-based license or a license model -- primarily basically analytics as the core, Exensio as the core.

Okay, great. And you've previously talked about the growth for Exensio was on a standalone basis and we can kind of model what DFI made to it depending on the number of machines you sell. What do you think analytics does year-over-year on an absolute growth basis?

Yes, I don't think we've given out that specific number, right? We said now we believe the overall solutions revenue will grow and it will be north of 70% of the solutions business.

Okay, got it. But I assume that the other side would be the traditional will be shrinking us?

Yes. We anticipate that decreasing, but overall, solutions will grow.

Okay, got it. Thank you very much.

Your next question comes from the line of Tom Diffely with D.A. Davidson.

Yes, maybe a similar comment on what do you think of gainshare this year?

Yes. We've modeled it to be slightly down over this past year. Although we do get -- we do find -- it tends to be sometimes more resilient than we model, but we expect it to be slightly down.

Yes. And we do expect it to continue to be lumpy quarter-over-quarter.

Okay. And would you expect at some point you'd get a lumpsum from GLOBAL, or I guess maybe it doesn't have to be if it's built into new contracts, but is that kind of always to the upside at some point you might get a slug of business or slug of payment?

Yeah. Of course because we haven't finalized what we're dealing with than, yeah, it's hard for us to forecast or envision it Tom. But we expect that it will -- if we reach resolution that will have an impact, a positive impact on this year.

Yeah. It would. And what you have to remember is since we've been recognizing revenue on a percent of completion basis, hours invested that any dollar agreement we come to with GLOBALFOUNDRIES will not necessarily reflect the revenue that we pose. However, there should be a gain in the revenue for that because we've earned it.

Okay. And Christine maybe you could just go over the OpEx one more time. It looks like went up during the quarter, but it sounds like from you commentary it should have gone down with the cost-cutting programs?

Well, actually we had one area where it did go up and we transitioned auditors. We let go our former auditors. We started with new auditors and when that happens, you can have -- we did have several hundreds of thousands of dollars of transition fees, in which the former auditors are charging for access to workpapers and transition and things like that. So that's a onetime expense.

Okay. So would you expect SG&A going forward to look more like third quarter numbers?

I would expect SG&A, because of the variable nature of commissions and bonuses to increase during 2019 as the revenue increases.

Okay. All right. And then John when you look at the eProbe 250, it sounds like it gets up and running over the next quarter or two then gets into production. Once it gets into production, are they going to need a second tool right away for redundancy, or is this more of a beta tool in production, or how would you describe it for the rest of this year?

Yeah, I think we've modeled the rest of this year that they're using one tool primarily as -- prove out as a manufacturing application not in an R&D mode. We would expect if they decide that this is important for manufacturing one tool would not be safe even from a redundancy standpoint but alone from a volume standpoint. But frankly we built the model assuming it's one for the year, although we don't -- we obviously don't work towards that we work towards doing better than that.

Okay. And then based on what you know about the number of data points looked at and evaluated. What the -- is there a number of tools needed for a typical line, or is there some way to describe what the opportunity is on either per fab or per node basis?

Yeah. We still believe what we said before, which is for model sampling of a fab -- of a meaningful fab say at 30,000 40,000 wafer to start fab you would need a handful of machines to be able to even keep up with that. And we are -- frankly we are just chipping away, Tom, trying to get it to be okay with get to more than one for a production application. I believe it will expand from there. But ultimately, I think you would need a handful of them at least.

And then when the ramp hits, what is your lead time to build the tools?

Lead time is quite substantial, but we have ways of managing that down by preordering some critical lead item parts. But we are no different than any other company building a complex machine. It can be somewhere between nine-plus months.

Okay. But if you take a step just in case if you more require for this year to be able to…

Yes. We've done that. Yes, you're right, Tom, we've done that. We've preordered some of the critical parts to bring that down.

Okay. And then moving over to the Exensio business, obviously, a very nice growth over the last year. I'm just curious, do you feel like you're saturating the semiconductor market with the tool and you need to have more apps kind of a land and expand strategy for the growth there? Is there still plenty of greenfield growth there?

So as we said on other calls, we have something over 130 customers that use our analytics Exensio primarily. And when we look at those customers unless none of them, including that one that signed that pilot for the enterprise pilot, none of them really actually have the entire Exensio, because Exensio was born from a series of point tools that in 2009, we architected into an integrated -- started architecting into an integrated system. And we believe actually and we've had discussions with customers that there is a lot more potential for them to use analytics inside their organizations. And we could grow greatly our annual revenue in those accounts, before we need to start looking at things outside of those 130, and of course, we are looking and talking with customers outside of those 130. There is a lot of system companies that are becoming chip companies these days. But there is tremendous amount of growth from where we are right now inside that customer base.

Okay. Is that multiples of current revenue levels that substantially…

Yes. Yes.

Okay. And then just finally when you look at the cuts you've made to the personnel, is that going to hinder your ability to potentially ramp up some of the traditional solutions business with some of the new customers in China, or is that business that you are just trying to push over to more of an Exensio model?

Yes. It's a great question, Tom. So we believe with customers that are using Characterization Vehicles like we did this in this contract, we signed -- the renewal we signed in the last quarter that we can provide -- before, let's say buying a factory at 65-nanometer, we can provide Exensio and the vehicles and not put consultants in there to help them get through targets and charge them a ratable subscription. So for those classes of customers, we believe there is a tremendous opportunity for the Characterization Vehicle technology that doesn't require a team to help them get value out of it. When you're ramping up or developing, let's say, 7-nanometer, you're spending billions of dollars, and you get tremendous risk and there is a lot of new analytics that we are bringing to that problem. So we provided people to help the customer get value out of it fast. From mature technologies, there really isn't the need for us to provide people help and get value out of it fast. That isn't a fast really for them. And we can monetize it that way. For places in China where people are trying to bring up even things like 28-nanometer and 14-nanometer very rapidly, we will still provide consulting teams as part of that as part of an overall engagement, but we will make sure we get paid for that on good margin, and we can source that out of our overall locations in Asia. We have a number of engineers in Taiwan and in China that are more with salaries are different level than our U.S. and European salaries.

Okay. Great. Appreciate your time today.

Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Tyler Burmeister with Craig-Hallum.

Great. Thanks.

Hi, Tyler.

Most of my questions are answered, but if I can just tie a bow on the guidance here. You said orders should pick up and revenue should follow this year gainshare been down modestly, solutions up. So in total, do we think that we can grow revenue year-over-year in 2019?

We expect modest growth in revenue. That's why I said revenues will follow. We expect substantial growth in bookings and modest growth in revenue.

Okay. Perfect. Just to clarify that. And then, on the DFI side, maybe you could talk a little bit about longer-term opportunity? And what the time line of that might look like? Do we expect -- is there any envision to start seeing more material orders later this year, or is this a 2020, even beyond that kind of thing still? Just maybe update on the more material time line of DFI.

Yes. We expect -- we have a number of pilots going on. If you kind of go back and listen to our conference call, Tyler, over the last few quarters, we were very head down focused on one specific customer. We were very happy to get that order. We believe there's tremendous more opportunity in that customer itself and we do remain very focused on delivering value on that customer. But starting in very late Q3 and into Q4, we started doing demonstrations of the capability for other customers. In my prepared remarks today, I talked about a customer who had three products from three foundries across two process nodes, right? So with DFI, the fabless are also our best marketing tool, because they put the content on their design and then they tell the foundry that it's there and they'd like to see a wafer come to our lab in Milpitas. So we began that effort, let's say, the second half of 2018 and we anticipate that bearing fruit in 2019. Because of the nature of our ratable business model, we will have a more modest impact on revenue in 2019 compared to the bookings level impact it would have, and that would then give us a more substantial run rate in 2020, should we be successful with the pilots.

That’s great.

So, I mean, the short answer is, bookings will be up and it will have a modest impact on revenue and a more meaningful impact on revenue the following year.

Okay. Thank you. That’s all for me.

Your next question comes from the line of Gus Richard with Northland.

Hi, guys.

Hi, Gus.

Thanks for taking my – hey, how is it going, John?

It's good. How are you doing?

I have some questions. Not bad. Thinking about the IYR business going forward, is there going to continue to be some legacy revenue in that product line, or is that just going to dwindle to nothing over the next year or two?

We have a number of gainshare contracts, including gainsharing contracts in China that have quite a long tail on them. So we believe there is still substantial number of years left on gainshare. There is a big question when those factors go up and what the ASPs are on the wafers, et cetera. So in our own models, we've been very careful about handicapping that to be small. We do believe there is need for customers, as I explained on my question that Tom had asked. We do believe there's need for customers when they want to get up quickly in a node, where the team helping them get up quickly in the node is a value to them. We are migrating the tail of that from primarily gainshare, which the customers perceive as a royalty, to a license for ongoing use of technology, much like the TBL that we have, time-based-license that I discussed on that renewal. So we are looking for ways, because we want to take down our risk on their achieving volume. That's to be carried…

Got it. Got it. Perfect.

But we still see value in that – that way of deploying for customers and customers by the way still see value us deploying in that way. It's just been very difficult for us to get a return on some of the more riskier investments in Asia for us.

And we will continue to have IYR revenue above and beyond the gainshare revenue. We will continue to have IYR revenue during 2019. This is going to be a smaller fraction of our total solutions revenue.

I got it. It makes complete sense to me. Essentially you're going to be licensing people or Characterization Vehicles and you'll get paid for that work and helping them ramp the process. And then in terms of revenue recognition on the DFI system and sort of how that impacts the cost of goods, do you have to turn on depreciation when it shifts to the customer and then sort of how do you recognize revenue particularly in the first quarter when you're shipping but not necessarily – ship the product install but not necessarily running product?

Yeah. The DFI arrangement first of all is revenue recognized out as ratable revenue. And I think you already know we continue to own the piece of equipment and we begin the depreciation when it's deployed and the –

Let me take the second part of that question. So…

Sure.

The machine is not up and running but there is a 150 there running. And so they are actually running wafers today on the 150 machine. So the contract is set up where although it's a little over a year they only get partial year use of the 250 and a partial year use of the 150.

I see. And so you'll get a ratable amount of revenue each quarter over the period of the contract?

Exactly. Right now…

And then the depreciation will turn on the 250 when that starting to run production?

That's correct.

When it's put in service yes.

Got it. And then in terms of your number of customers that have DFI structures on their products has that expanded beyond the customers you've had over the last year?

It actually have a look at the statistics recently Gus I know of a number of taped out activities going on right now that are our new customers. So if it hasn't extended it will be expanding relatively soon. I think the shipment on the 250 was a pretty big deal from any of us in the industry.

Got it. And then finally just on the sales pipeline on additional 250s, can you handicap getting a second customer say by the end of the year? A - John Kibarian That would be our anticipation. We have also ways of deploying 150s in applications where they make sense as well and we see some opportunities there as well. So it will be a mix that generates revenue this year.

Got it. Okay. That's it for me. Thanks.

And your next question comes from the line of Jeff Bernstein with Cowen.

Yeah. Hi. You touched on having Exensio now pretty ubiquitously across the supply chain and I hope you could just flesh that out a little bit more in terms of what it means for customers? What it means for the potential to gather GLOBAL contract data, etcetera?

Sure Jeff. So Exensio run that fabs, fabless, OSATs, test houses, system companies and is actually OEM did include it on tools like wire bonders, pick-and-play systems and assembly flow you can get the ops module from (indiscernible) and others for example. So there is a couple of things that, that's done when we've deployed at the OSATs we deploy in a way where they work collaboratively with their end customers. So we generated revenue both from the OSAT and the fabless customer and they can therefore share data across the Exensio dex node to help improve operational elements which really is the OSAT's responsibility, as well as quality elements which is really the fabless or system company's responsibility. We also have situations, for example, we have large fabless companies that are used to certain kinds of Exensio reports. So in the past year, we had a sale at a smaller foundry where they were winning that fabless company and they wanted to deploy Exensio so they could generate the same reports that the fabless company expected. And that's all part of the -- and if the fabless company has a license for Exensio they can load that same web report directly into their Exensio. All Exensio web reports are interactive. So it's not a static report. That means they can go and say well wait a minute they should have screened out those couple of chips and it automatically updates the report. So all the reports are interactive and also shareable in that way. So when one of your suppliers are on Exensio when you get a report from them, you can make a tweak to that report without having to go back and wait for 24 hours when we come back and work and fix the report for you when it's something kind of trivial. That's a big deal for an engineer who’s trying to generate something for 7 A.M. meeting.

Do you guys have the potential at some point to create a data business that has benchmarking kinds of stuff across different player’s etcetera, or customers interested in that? Is the data security there to be able to do that in a way that people wouldn't mind?

That's a great question. Jeff, yes and it's true that we do have that capability. We maintain a lot of the systems for our customers on our host of business, as well as all the nodes at the OSATs. And we maintain use of that data, what we call secondary data rights for the purposes of benchmarking, developing and optimizing better algorithms and helping customers be more efficient with their manufacturing. So overtime that will be a more and more significant business. And if you look at our -- my prepared remarks when I said that, we move to the public cloud and that we can offer a series of value-added services on top of that, that's exactly in the direction that a lot of our customers want us to go, heightened security, heightened traceability of their material, as well as heightened security about who is looking at my data which we have ways of providing security in that and different two and three-factor identifications. And ultimately then benchmarking and analysis and alerts about what's going on in the overall supply chain, but that's something that will come -- will become more available in the future than it is today.

Okay. And then lastly just the challenges of advanced packaging what are those sort of mean to all of this?

Yes. So that's -- when we started out with Exensio and we started building out all of the advance modeling we focused it on the factory, the fab itself. And customers in 2014 educated us and me in particular that we were missing the point and there was a tremendous amount of complexity going into the assembly flow. That's why we purchased ALPS in 2017 because the traceability across that assembly process is quite important. There are many, many components going into a package these days 10 or 15 components. I mean, if you were to go look at the construction analysis inside your iPhone, there is four packages that have -- at least four packages that have many components in them. And many of them need that traceability to know exactly which part of the supply chain it came from. That responsibility falls on the laps of the fabless company or the system company and hence manufacturing for them is becoming more complex. When you go back to when Moore's Law was driving the industry and it was just a new node, all of the complexity of manufacturing and all the risk resided at the foundry with advanced packaging that is a shared responsibility between the foundry, the assembly house and the system company itself.

Got you. That's great. thanks.

And your next question comes from the line of Andrew Wiener with Samjo Capital.

Hi, Andrew.

Hi, John. John, maybe you could update us on the macro perspective, how things are going in the opportunity in China? I know the ecosystem for a domestic capability there has developed at a slower rate than maybe the public believe you guys were always a little more cautious on it, but what's going on now and how we're looking at that?

Yes, that's a great point. And I've said in a number of meetings with folks that I believe China had its sputnik event this past year. When the U.S. government shutdown ZTE and then subsequently what's going on between the U.S. government and Huawei, I think it was a wake-up call for the overall semiconductor industry in China. And I think that creates a tremendous opportunity for PDF, because they need to be able to ramp those technologies. I would say in the early part of 2017 -- 2018 my perspective when I would visit with fabless and system companies, they were not so excited about using the capacity inside China. They were very happy with their worldwide suppliers. And I'm sure they're still very happy with those worldwide suppliers, but they see tremendous risk that they could be cut off from them. And so I think there is a higher degree of urgency. We felt that in the fourth quarter and our dialogues with customers. We anticipate as we go through this year and increase business activity there as a result of it. And I jokingly when I talk with my friends over there I said, I think you experienced sputnik. I think it's the same kind of thing.

Thanks. With respect to the pipeline or development activities related to the eProbe 250 given the change in the business model associated with electrical characterization and inspection we're dealing and the nature of it being in production versus in development. How has that changed the type of customer we're talking to in particular has it opened the doors at some of the largest logic players where we either historically haven't been able to get in or one way we were kicked out?

Yes. Of course, Andrew we have to be super careful about talking about any specific company, but customers have always liked our technology up and down the industry and the business model has -- had been a factor. The fact that DFI provides a way that we can create value in manufacturing means we can charge for continuous usage rather than charging a royalty upfront and that is much more amendable to many of our customers including the largest companies that have not been our customers in the past. And that's increased our dialogue with the entire industry over the last few months.

Okay. Christine do you have -- what's the bookings growth rate was on the analytics business in 2018 versus 2017?

No, bookings is not a number that we disclose. So, certainly, bookings rose. I can give you that kind of qualitative direction, but we don't report on bookings.

Do you have metrics around either renewal rates on Exensio either on a customer basis or on a revenue basis?

It's a great question. Andrew we're pulling all that together. And as we go out through this year, we'll be disclosing more about what we see our renewal rates be. And this example I gave last quarter was kind of the first really major one that we could talk about and there will be more that we'll be able to talk about as we get through this year.

Yes, I mean, John as we had this conversation, I think it's incredibly important as we transition the business that we provide metrics that will help people model the business and that are sort of more akin to other subscription or software or analytics-based businesses.

Yes, so you're preaching to the choir on that Andrew.

John and I violently agree with you.

Yes, we'll be doing that as we get through the year.

Okay, that's all I have right now. Thank you.

Thank you.

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Rob Ammann with RB -- I'm sorry Rk Capital.

Yes my question was also primarily around some sort of bookings metric and the plan going forward, but I would imagine deferred revenue is not a very good proxy for calculating implied billings sort of number given different contract terms or billing terms. Is that fair?

That's correct.

It's fair.

Okay. And then maybe the second question, but thanks for your help with the model at least baking in one 250. Can you tell us if the model contemplate additional 150 placements over course of the year?

In this year very little -- just a little bit at the end of the year.

Okay. And how many are out there now? Is it three?

There's three out there now.

Okay. Thank you.

Thank you, Rob.

[Operator Instructions] And there are no further questions at this time. And now, I'd like to turn the call back over to the presenters for closing remarks.

Thank you everyone for attending. We look forward to talking with you again soon. Good day.

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