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PDD Holdings Inc. (PDD)

Q2 2018 Earnings Call· Fri, Aug 31, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to the Pinduoduo Second Quarter 2018 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. There will be a presentation followed by a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I must advise you that this confidence being recorded today, Friday, August 31, 2018. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Mr. Christian Arnell. Thank you. Please go ahead.

Christian Arnell

Analyst

Thank you, Rachel. Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Pinduoduo's earnings release was distributed earlier today and is available on our IR website at investor.pinduoduo.com, as well as Globe Newswire services. On the call today from Pinduoduo are Mr. Colin Huang, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; and Mr. Tian Xu, Vice President of Finance. Colin will review business operations and Company highlights, followed by Tian, who will discuss financials. They will both be available to answer your questions during the Q&A session that follows. Now let me cover the Safe Harbor. Today's discussion will contain forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements involve inherent risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from our current expectations. Potential risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, those outlined in our public filings with the SEC. Any forward-looking statements that we make on this call are based on assumptions as of today, and we do not take any obligation to update these statements except as required under applicable law. Our earnings press release and this call include discussions of certain unaudited non-GAAP financial measures, such as non-GAAP operating income and non-GAAP net income attributable to ordinary shareholders. Our GAAP results and reconciliations of non-GAAP measures to most directly comparable GAAP measures can be found in our earnings press release. It is now my pleasure to introduce our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Colin. Colin, please go ahead.

Colin Huang

Analyst

Thank you, Christian, and thanks to everyone for joining us on our second quarter results discussion and first earning call as a public company. I'm pleased to report that we saw robust growth across all our key operation metrics, which drove the strong financial performance during the quarter. Last 12 months GMV grew 583% year-over-year to RMB262 billion, boosted by the more than tripling of our annual active buyers and a doubling of the annual spending per active buyer. Over the last 12 months, approximately 344 million users had at least one purchase on our platform, and we had an average of 195 million MAUs during the second quarter of 2018. These numbers have demonstrated the continued momentum and the rising popularity of the new e-commerce format that we pioneered. Our revenue for second quarter 2018 grew almost 25 times over the same period in 2017, and 96% over first quarter of 2018 to RMB2.7 billion, primarily driven by our online marketing services, which we launched in April 2017. Growth of our revenue outpaced the growth of GMV, demonstrating our ability to drive monetization while maintaining strong growth of GMV. As this is the first earnings call after we got listed, I would like to take the opportunity to elaborate more about our philosophy behind the business model. We believe value-for-money products have value-for-everyone. We strive to offer everyone such products through aggregating demand for each SKUs. So that merchants on our platform are able to offer each SKU at more attractive prices. In order to effectively aggregate demand, our platform adopted a few innovative features. On one side, we designed our platform to be a browsing and a discovery-based experience. This feature effectively attracts traffic, as not only people with clear purchasing intention come to us, but more so…

Tian Xu

Analyst

Thank you, Colin. Hello, everyone. Let me go through the financial highlights with you. Our total revenues in the second quarter were RMB2.7 billion. 87.5% of the total revenues or RMB2.4 billion were revenues from online marketing services, which increased significantly from the RMB32 million during the same period last. This increase was attributable to our GMV and order increases, our increased traffic, as shown in our MAU growth, as well as our improved user engagement. 12.5% of the total revenues or RMB338 million were revenues from commission fees, which increased from the RMB72 million during the same period last year. This increase was primarily attributable to the increase of GMV. Overall, the total revenues increased by 2,489% year-over-year or 96% quarter-over-quarter. I would like to reiterate that our online marketing services, which we launched the last year are still at early stage. We are consistently fine-tuning the online marketing products and our pace of monetization. All efforts are focused on providing best user experience and continuously enhancing the user engagement. We always view our monetization as a natural result of our strong value proposition to both our customers and merchants. Total cost of revenues increased by 260% year-over-year to RMB388 million from RMB108 million in the same quarter of 2017. The increase was directionally in line with the growth of GMV and revenues. And the expanded gross margin also reflect an improvement of our operational efficiency. Total operating expenses were RMB9.0 billion compared with RMB120 million in the same quarter of 2017. In particular, sales and marketing expenses rose to nearly RMB3.0 billion, primarily due to an increase in branding campaigns and online and offline advertisements and promotions, as we continue to invest in strengthening our brand recognition and facilitating greater user engagement. General and administrative expenses were RMB5.8…

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Thomas Chong from Credit Suisse. Please ask your question.

Thomas Chong

Analyst

Hi, good morning. Thanks management for taking my questions. I have three questions. The first question is about our outlook for our GMV growth over the next couple of years in terms of opportunities and challenges. And my second question is about our strategic priorities in 2018 and 2019, i.e., is it strengthening our brand or monetization? And thirdly, our long-term outlook in terms of our monetization opportunities. Thank you.

Colin Huang

Analyst

Okay. Thank you, Thomas. Let me answer your questions one by one. Speaking of GMV, I think we are confident that our GMV growth will continue strong year-on-year momentum, and we expect our user base will continue to grow as of June 2018. We have already achieved 340 million active buyers in a 12-month trailing period, and to almost 200 million MAUs, that’s too far below the mobile Internet population. In addition, the user spending has a large room to grow. In the last quarter, we have almost doubled the user spending compared to the same quarter the year before. So that's for the GMV. Your second question is what's the priorities in 2018 and 2019? You asked whether it's about branded recognition or monetization. The monetization at this moment is not our high priority. At this moment, I think doing more branding, trying to build up a trust within the users in our platform, and also steadily grow the quality user base is still our first priority. Your third question goes to monetization. As I just mentioned before, monetization is not our near-term goal, but the result our value – but it is a result and a side effect of the value we created to both users and merchants. We started the monetization in mid-2015 – mid-2017, and the monetization grows very fast. However, we take a conservative approach to grow monetization. We strive to constantly meet users need and to be enabler of our ecosystem, including merchants, manufacturers, logistic service providers, et cetera. For instance, one of our effort is to help capable merchants and manufacturers to develop their own brands, offer training sessions to merchants and to help better manage their online stores, and upgrade them to their – update them on their user demographics, seasonal trend, and consumer taste et cetera. That being said, even though the recent developments has little effect in our traffic and GMV, it did push us, the management, to revisit our strategies. In order to create a virtuous cycle of attracting more capable and responsible merchants to the platform and churn out some problematical ones, we have decided to systematically going forward in the next period of time to give some free traffic to the proven good merchants which may affect the monetization pace a little bit in a short-term, but we believe this is the right thing to do and can help to drive the ecosystem in a more positive way. And of course, eventually this will benefit both users and merchants, and as a result, it will benefit monetization in the long run as well.

Thomas Chong

Analyst

Thank you.

Tian Xu

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Piyush Mubayi from Goldman Sachs. Please ask your question.

Piyush Mubayi

Analyst

Colin, Tian, congratulations on being a listed company. You mentioned upfront Colin that you’re far from where you want to be. Could you remind us where in the medium-term you’d like to be? And extending that question, how would the business model evolve getting to where you want to be in the medium to longer term, and if you could just also talk through the diversification that you'd like, if any, to go through over the next couple of quarters or years? Second, I know it's very early to talk about monetization levels or the right levels of spending on sales and marketing, but how would you like the market to think about, the market and us to think about the levels of monetization you would aspire towards and simultaneously the level of spending that you would like to incur on the business model on the sales and marketing side? Thank you.

Colin Huang

Analyst

Okay. Your first question is – okay the medium-term goal and how would business change? So yes, it is still the early-stage, and our slogan as I was writing in the letter to shareholders, I was imagining PDD could be a combination of Costco plus Disneyland, and in that order. So we're still at the first stage, which is trying to build a Costco, but not only a single Costco, but a collection of Costco’s. With that said, I mean we're trying to divide users into different groups through their relationships and through their buying behavior and also their user profile. So that in a big market like China, they will have different types of middle classes in China, and we divide that into let's say 100 or 1,000 groups, and each group will have a set of manufacturers dedicated to them, and they are constantly improving and trying to build better quality and a better value-for-money products for that specific group of people. So that's the very first step we are taking, and we are still in that stage. In the process of building a collection of Costco’s, we need to actually spend a lot of time in two areas. One area is to increase users trust, build up the brand, and trying to reinforce user engagement. The second thing we really have to do is to enhance the supply chain side. We should leverage our data ability and leverage the information we have and also the advantages of the pin model, which has the ability to aggregate a large volume in a short period of time. We hope to push the information we have upstream, so that the merchants and the manufacturers can have several days or even several weeks in advance to know what's the volume they're…

Tian Xu

Analyst

Yes, Piyush, this is Tian. Let me add a few color on the monetization. For the 12-month period ending this quarter, our monetization rate was 2.2%, increased from 1.6% three months ago, which is – the increase is very quickly. However, we are still at the early stage. I think the increase has shown our ability to monetize while still pushing our GMV up. Our model is fundamentally different from the conventional search-based – search-driven inventory index model, which has a very long tail of SKUs. We do not need such a long tail of SKUs, so [much] include – average get higher traffic per SKU. Therefore, we believe we could be more – those merchants will be more willing to pay on our platform, and our monetization rate in the long-term could be potentially higher than some other e-commerce platform. Thank you.

Piyush Mubayi

Analyst

Thank you. Congratulations again.

Colin Huang

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Natalie Wu from CICC. Please ask your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi. Good morning, management. Thank you very much for taking my questions. This is [indiscernible] speaking on behalf of Natalie. I have two questions here. First question is regarding the recent PR incident on infringing or counterfeit products that management just mentioned. So can management share with us some thoughts on whether you view these impact as a temporary one or rather long-lasting risk, as though we are taking a lot of efforts here, is this hard to solve all this kind of problem at one-time? That's my first question. And my second question is about competition. We see both some of our competitors like Taobao and Jingdong, they launched similar pin purchase formats. And recently Jingdong also reported very good numbers for its Pingo and Taobao received some news – from some media reports that Taobao also wants to embed similar functions in its [indiscernible]. So, do management see any impacts or changes in competition so far? And how should we think about the competition landscape going forward? Thank you very much.

Colin Huang

Analyst

Okay. So the first question, the combat against the counterfeit goods. I think our stance against counterfeit goods was always firm and very clear. Only shortly after Pinduoduo's inception, we adopted the very strict 10 times penalty policy, which was the very first time in the whole industry, although it is a very hard fight against the counterfeit good products and against the problematic merchants, and we did receive strong fight backs, but we never gave up and we – or compromised. The recent development and media attention had a little – honestly, had a little effect on the business itself, but it does help us reflect and revisit many of our policies. We deeply understand that regardless the existing problems the industry has. It doesn't give us any excuse for not facing the problem directly and fighting against the problem wholeheartedly. Instead as a newcomer to the industry, we view it as an opportunity for us to establish and – create and establish unique value for the society by solving the hard problems in an innovative way, as we innovated the pin model, we innovated the new user interactive formats. I think although it's a long battle, but we are confident that we will be able to win. More specifically in 2017, we proactively removed more than 10 million problematic products and blocked 40 million links that raised infringement issues. We have also partnered with over 400 brands to work together to combat counterfeits. In the recent weeks, we closed down over 1,000 stores and reported a batch of cases to the market regulators. At the same time, we also plan to speed up our effort to help more merchants establish their own brands. We can give merchants opportunities to directly engage a large number of consumers. In addition,…

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Thank you very much.

Colin Huang

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Wendy Huang from Macquarie. Please ask your questions.

Wendy Huang

Analyst

Thank you, management. Congratulations on a solid first earnings results, as a sell-side analyst as well as a heavy user of the Pinduoduo. I have a few questions on the operations and a few questions on the financial side. First, can you give us a breakdown among your 1.7 million merchants? What's the number of the brands versus the number in all manufacturers? And also you mentioned a lot about different categories such as agriculture. So is there any color you can share about GMV breakdown by different categories? And also you mentioned about the SKU in the previous comments, is there any number regarding the SKU you can provide here? On the financial side, I noticed gross margin expanded nine percentage points to 86%. Can you provide some color regarding the reason behind the expansion, and how should we expect this going forwards? And also on the SBC, this quarter there is a RMB5.8 billion, a very big amount of SBC. Should we take this as a one-off? And how should we look at SBC going forward? Thank you.

Colin Huang

Analyst

Okay. Your first question goes to the breakdown of SKUs and whether we have sort of the platform, unique SKUs. It is fairly difficult for us to check, as not all merchants would tell us, and tallying that number is not the best use of our time. However, we could see for some SKUs listed on our platform that cannot be found elsewhere. For example, some of the tissue papers and agriculture products are not from the store – not from the – are actually from the stores directly, and can hard be find on other platforms. We are still at early stage of enabling merchants to tailor make small batches of products to user needs, but these are some early signs of what we could achieve. We frequently provide support for our merchants to help them achieve better performance in our platforms. For instance, we offer training sessions to merchants to better manage the financials. We periodically provide reports consumer behaviors to improve their marketing efforts. In addition, we are also working with the government to speed up merchant trademark registration process through us. Our ultimate goal is to satisfy our users. We believe that our platform goal is to create a fair and healthy environment for the merchants to serve their users well. We do our best to enable our ecosystem players and align our goals to achieve that. With that said, we don't really put a strong emphasis on this category or on that category, or we are trying to specifically drive traffic into a particular category or a particular set of SKUs. But we do have programs, recently launched that we plan to sort of give for traffic or give some stipend to the good quality merchants, so that we can faster improve the ecosystem and the quality base of the merchants. Your second question is about the five – is about the GMV breakdown?

Wendy Huang

Analyst

Yes, the merchant breakdown between the brands versus non-brands, and also the GMV breakdown by different industries for some agricultural, electronics, and et cetera.

Colin Huang

Analyst

Great, okay. Well, actually we don't treat brand and non-brand so differently. We actually believe a lot of the non-brands will become a China-originated brand in the near future. We will treat the brand and non-brand merchants equally. Our goal is always to better serve our user and create a fair platform and merchants will do well if they can serve the users well. So, we don't do this kind of division and a lot of times, it's hard to tell. Some of the brands are famous. I could say this is a famous brand, but some of the new brands are not so famous, but they also have a label on it. It's also – in the future, they may become very famous brands. Speaking of category breakdown, we don't disclose the exact numbers at this moment. But what I can tell you that the agriculture part is a feature and compared to our peers, this category plays a bigger role in our platform. But we are doing not so well in the 3C sector at this moment. And your third question is about the stock compensation, right? And I will hand that over to Tian about the compensation. But in general, it's a one-time thing.

Tian Xu

Analyst

Yes. Hi, Wendy. You've got two questions about finance, the firstly about the high gross margin last quarter. Yes, we did have a high gross margin last quarter, above 86%. I would like to say as a platform model our gross margins should naturally be high. And in the long-term we will still enjoy high gross margins. The fundamental reason is because if you look at our cost of revenues, the major parts are payment processing fee, cloud service cost, et cetera, et cetera. So in terms of payment processing fee, it's more or less in line with the growth of the GMV. But however, all the other parts – like server costs, customer service cost, et cetera are more like at a stable growth rate. So we can definitely enjoy economy of scale in that sense. That's partially the reason why we had a high gross margin last quarter. On the other side, when you look at our revenues, because we have early stage – at an early stage of our monetization, our revenues went up dramatically, and there might be some fluctuations from time-to-time. So this also drove our gross margin really high last quarter and probably will keep being high for some time. But in the long way, the gross margin will be high, but probably not as high as last quarter's level. So that's what we can provide to you. When it comes to SBC, yes that RMB1.8 billion is definitely a one-off share-based compensation. It was arranged since last run of financing, but only shown on our financial statements this quarter. So this is to confirm that's one-off effect on our financial statements. Thank you.

Wendy Huang

Analyst

Thank you. End of Q&A

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I would now like to hand the conference back to today's presenter. Colin, please continue.

Colin Huang

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Christian Arnell

Analyst

Thank you, everyone for joining our call today. In closing and on behalf of the entire management team here at Pinduoduo, I'd like to thank you for your interest and participation in today's call. If you have any questions or concerns, please don't hesitate to reach out to the Investor Relations team. This concludes the call. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may now all disconnect.