Alex Saigh
Analyst · Craig Siegenthaler of Bank of America
Craig, nice talking to you as well. I hope all is well with you and your family. No, you're right on the dot there. I think the way that we are seeing our flagship fundraising is exactly as you said, we have a big first close, big, I mean, 40%, 50% of the target of the fund and then comes in the second, third close. I think contrary to prior fundraisings, the second, third close coming in smaller amounts and more scattered than one chunky second close that was done more of the norm going back, whatever, several vintages ago. We're seeing that on our Private Equity Fund VII. So we had a big chunky first close, and then we have several other smaller ones, and we are closing on that fund every 2 weeks, every 3 weeks. And as we group a bunch of investors together, we have another close. In addition to that, Craig, what I can say also from Private Equity Fund VII, as I mentioned, as we are also raising money from other locations of the world, we're overperforming LATAM, Middle East, including Israel, Asia and underperforming U.S. We're also having specific vehicles for those regions. So we have a group of Brazilian investors coming in through the Brazilian feeder and a group of then Colombian investors coming from a Colombian feeder and et cetera. So that's why it's also a little bit more patchy, having these smaller closes. But in the end, I feel comfortable from what I see now in my pipeline that we'll continue to fundraise significantly for Private Equity Fund VII, and that then comes from Infrastructure Fund III now. Infrastructure Fund III, the first close, I think, is even stronger than I was expected. And I think also it has to do a lot with the divestments that I just mentioned -- sorry, Infrastructure Fund V. It has a lot to do with the divestments that I just mentioned for Infrastructure Fund III. And that big VBI number, of course, also drives fundraising. So you will probably see in the first quarter -- in the second quarter, I'm sorry, of this year, a chunky first close. And then over the year, you're going to see other closings for there. But I think we'll reach the number as well. I feel very comfortable with both. Lastly, on the private acuity side, we do see a lot of divestments coming and we are finding several exits for our previous vintages funds that helps, of course, the VBI number of those funds go up and thus drive also a better fundraising in the near future. So yes, you're right, it's a little different than it was, I think, previous vintages ago. And what I can say is, I think looking back to our strategy of this capillarity in fundraising, have offices all over the world and fundraising from several regions of the world, we're managing them to compensate a region like the U.S. that is still underperforming with overperforming in other regions. And of course, I have to overperform in 2 or 3 other regions to compensate the U.S. because the U.S. is a big region. But as I said, Asia, Middle East, including Israel and LATAM in general, and LATAM very well surprised, to be honest, I think we're fundraising 2x to 3x more than I expected; even Israel, 2x to 3x more than expected, even though the numbers from Israel are smaller than the whole LATAM, but it's 2x to 3x more than what I expected. In the Middle East, I think everybody agrees everybody is fundraising there a lot more than they expected, right, because of the net inflows into that region and the sovereign funds and the pension funds of that region. And Asia as well, interesting, lastly, again, I said lastly, twice, I'm sorry, but lastly, really the lastly here comes with this phrase. The geopolitical tensions of the world are definitely pushing companies to look into LATAM, from Asia, from the Middle East with different and better eyes on the strategic front and the investment front. So talking to a lot of our Asian clients and prospects that will buy our portfolio of companies. So when an Asian company, a Chinese-based company is thinking about expanding out of China, where should they go first given the geopolitical risks? Should I go into the U.S.? Wow, there's all these concerns. Should I go into Europe? Kind of same concerns on the geopolitical front. Well, I can continue to expand to Asia, Southeast Asia, India and then comes Latin America, which is a very, very much interesting market. And we're seeing this very positive foreign direct investments into the region, a lot of Chinese investments in the region, and that is benefiting us from an LP, limited partners point of view and also from selling companies a strategic interest for our portfolio companies point of view. And that's why we are also outperforming in Asia. It has -- and Middle East, Middle East net inflows, but Asia, in addition, it has this geo political issue that is favoring other parts of the world vis-a-vis the U.S., vis-a-vis Europe. It's clear that we had several Chinese delegations in Brazil, doing diligence in our funds, doing diligence in some of our portfolio companies, which is kind of different than several years ago. The volume increased tremendously. I hope I answered your question as well.