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Q3 2019 Earnings Call· Thu, Oct 24, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Patrick Industries, Inc. Third Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Paulette and I will be your operator for today's call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Ms. Julie Ann Kotowski from Investor Relations. Ms. Kotowski, you may begin.

Julie Ann Kotowski

Analyst

Good morning, everyone and welcome to Patrick Industries third quarter 2019 conference call. I am joined on the call today by Todd Cleveland, Chairman and CEO; Andy Nemeth, President; and Josh Boone, CFO. Certain statements made in today's conference call regarding Patrick Industries and its operations may be considered forward-looking statements under the securities laws. There are a number of factors, many of which are beyond the Company's control, which could cause the actual results and events to differ materially from those described in the forward-looking statements. These factors are identified in press releases, our Form 10-K for the year ended 2018 and in our other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We undertake no obligation to update these statements to reflect circumstances or events that occur after the date the forward-looking statements are made, except as required by law. I would now like to turn the call over to Todd Cleveland.

Todd Cleveland

Analyst

Thank you, Julie Ann. Good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us on the call today. We remain disciplined in the third quarter of 2019 and continue to drive the execution of our tactical and strategic plan as both our RV and marine markets focused on model year change and dealer inventory destocking in preparation for the 2020 model and show season. Our housing and industrial markets regained momentum after weather-related issues, economic uncertainty and interest rate volatility impacted the first half shipments and new housing starts. We also worked diligently in partnership with our customers during the model chain season in the second and third quarters to sharing cost synergies, commodity cost decreases and bring new innovations to promote continued differentiation enhancements to their units. Additionally, we continue to focus on sizing and scaling our business model in alignment with our revenue and identified and executed on fixed cost reduction initiatives estimated over $10 million in annualized savings. Our third quarter revenues of $566 million, declined slightly versus the prior year. And we continue to increase our content per unit in each market sector. Our third quarter 2019 net income, excluding the impact of our cyber security incident we discussed in our news release, was approximately $23 million or $0.98 per diluted share. And now I'll turn the call over to Andy, who will further review our primary markets and overall business outlook.

Andy Nemeth

Analyst

Thank you, Todd. While production and demand calibration continued in the RV market and carried into the marine market in the third quarter, we continue to grow organically, net of industry as a result of our diversified market presence and strategic and tactical growth plan. Macroeconomic and demographic trends remained positive, supporting an encouraging near and long-term outlook, as we look to the 2020 model season and beyond. Our leisure lifestyle markets, encompassing RV and marine, collectively represent 68% of our third quarter revenues. Dealer inventory management was a strong focus for the third quarter, coupled with model year change, which is robust with additional content, options and design changes for the 2020 model units in general. Our housing and industrial markets representing 32% of our third quarter revenues, rebounded from the weather-related issues experienced in the first half of 2019, as interest rate reductions and improved weather conditions took hold in the third quarter. More specifically, on the RV side of our business, our third quarter 2019 financial performance reflects the impact of continued aggressive rebalancing of retail inventories, with disciplined wholesale production levels against the backdrop of fundamentally solid overall retail demand. Our RV revenues were down $45 million or 13% against wholesale shipments that were down by an estimated 14%. Retail continues to outpace wholesale and drive dealer inventories down, and is setting up nicely for a return to a more direct relationship between wholesale shipments and retail unit sales for the upcoming 2020 selling season. The gap between retail shipments and wholesale production continued in the third quarter, consistent with the second quarter. With retail shipments estimated to be down mid-single digits and wholesale shipments down mid double digits. On a unit basis, this equates to an estimated 40,000 to 45,000 units pulled from inventory in…

Joshua Boone

Analyst

Thanks, Andy. Our consolidated net sales for the third quarter declined 2% to $566 million, primarily hampered by quarter-over-quarter industry declines in three of our four primary markets we serve, which were partially offset by the impact of acquisitions completed late in the third quarter and the fourth quarter of 2018. On the top line, we continue to focus on strategic initiatives to drive organic growth and penetrate new markets and geographic regions. With the strength of our diversified brand platform, depth of our customer relationships and strategic geographic footprint, we were able to offset some of the declines and generate organic growth, net of industry growth, by low single digits again this quarter in light of price decreases that went into effect in the first half of the year and partially carried into the third quarter. Revenues from our leisure lifestyle market, which is comprised of the RV and marine markets, decreased 12% with RV and marine revenues down 13% and 7%, respectively, compared to the third quarter of 2018. RV content per unit on a trailing 12-month basis increased 9% to an estimated $3145 per unit and estimated marine retail content per unit increased 54% to $1624 per unit. Revenues from our housing and industrial markets increased 29% in the quarter, with MH revenues up 61% versus the prior year and MH content per unit increasing 65% to an estimated $4,348 per unit. On the industrial side, revenues were flat in the quarter and housing starts were up 4% compared with the third quarter of 2018. As Andy mentioned, our products are generally the last to go into a new unit and generally trail new housing starts by four to six months. And we would expect to see the benefit from the strong housing starts in the quarter,…

Todd Cleveland

Analyst

Thanks, Josh. As we look to finish up fiscal 2019 and into 2020, we are anticipating strong fundamental demand in each of our end markets in 2020, supported by strong demographic trends and macroeconomic and secular tailwinds. We have strategically and opportunistically maintained a very flexible operating model, coupled with a variable cost structure and plan to focus on leveraging our existing brands and expertise, customer relationships, innovation initiatives and manufacturing capabilities to drive market share gains, continue to realize operating efficiencies and execute on our synergies across the organization. We believe our operational and financial foundation and our customer-first performance-oriented culture, when combined with the exceptional talent and passion of our more than 8000 team members will continue to position us to execute on our strategic plan to grow both top and bottom line and exceed our customers' expectations. In addition, the ongoing support we receive from our customers, suppliers, Board of Directors, banking partners and our shareholders affords us the opportunity to continue to focus on our goal of providing the highest level of quality, service and shareholder value. This is the end of our prepared remarks. We're now ready to take questions.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instruction] And our first question comes from Daniel Moore from CJS Securities. Please go ahead.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Todd, Andy, Josh, good morning. Thanks for taking the questions.

Todd Cleveland

Analyst

Good morning.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

I wanted to start -- you gave a lot of good color on inventories, but that's clearly been a big focus for folks. So start there, if I'm reading commentary right, it sounds likeyou got maybe one more quarter at least of destocking expected given the -- your commentary around expected shipments for Q4 that consistent and beyond that, specifically in RV when would you expect things to level off, or maybe even start to, inventories, perhaps even start to build again.

Andy Nemeth

Analyst

Sure, Dan. This is Andy. We do expect destocking in the RV in the marine space for the Q4 at this point. I think what we've seen though as it relates to where we're at Q3 from a weeks on hand perspective, we think that the inventories are fairly well calibrated on the RV side of the business and that we could possibly be pushing into over-correction in Q4, again reflecting our positive view on 2020 model season in both of our leisure lifestyle markets. We think the marine industry has been very aggressive in managing dealer and field inventories. We think they have come down very well. So again, I think as we look at both those markets, we feel like we will see some destocking, but at this point in time, we think that, again 2020 is setting up very nicely.

Todd Cleveland

Analyst

And Dan, I'd just add, this is Todd that well we've talked about the mathematics and how we're looking at things. The commentary that we've heard, both from the dealer and OEs have been very positive as they're heading into the latter part of the fourth quarter and they're looking toward the first quarter 2020. So I think the assessment is fairly accurate the ways Andy has described and you're looking at it.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Helpful. Switching gears a little bit. In terms of MH, the, it doesn't get as much press perhaps for Patrick, but content per unit keeps creeping higher up to almost $4,400. Maybe talk about the, how much room is left upside as far as content is concerned. And do you have a target in mind of where that might be three to five years from now?

Joshua Boone

Analyst

Sure, Dan. This is Josh. Yeah, we continue to gain traction in content per unit in all of our end markets. We have been really successful on the MH side. With the acquisition of certain distribution companies last year, namely LaSalle Bristol in Q4, really added to our product portfolio and arsenal to continue to gain traction on the MH side content per unit. And also leverage growth oriented synergies with those acquisitions with our other brands. And so, as we approach over $4,400 year on a trailing 12-month basis, we still have significant runway. On the MH side, well in excess of $10,000 of content per unit in the product categories that we're in today. So we view the MH is having really solid traction here the first part of the year, but still a long run way out in front of us.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Got it. And last from me and I'll jump back in queue. Generally, the answer is always consistent over time, but in terms of capital allocation, you're looking at over $7 a share in free cash flow in a year in which RV was down 20%. So you clearly can't continue to generate a ton of cash. With the stock where it is, maybe, is there any change in rank ordering your priorities for buybacks versus M&A versus debt pay down? Thanks.

Andy Nemeth

Analyst

Sure, Dan. This is Andy. We're going to stay consistent and opportunistic as it relates to the capital allocation strategy. We're excited about our acquisition pipeline. We're excited about the organic growth opportunities that we've got today. We're excited about our expansion opportunities that are out there. We're going to continue to keep ourselves very disciplined as it relates to our leverage ratio, which we reduced in the quarter as well. So we feel really good about our position today. We're really excited about the financing platform that we put in place, which we expect to execute on going forward on a very opportunistic basis. And so, as we kind of watch the first half of the year play out, especially in our leisure lifestyle markets, as you know, as we noted, we completed the acquisition of G.G. Schmitt in the third quarter. We feel really good about where we're at going forward. And like I said, not only from an inventory perspective in those markets for 2020, but from a capital allocation and strategic perspective, we're excited about fiscal 2020.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Appreciate the color. I'll jump back, if I have any follow-ups. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Scott Stember from C.L. King. Please go ahead.

Scott Stember

Analyst

Good morning, guys. And thanks for taking my questions.

Todd Cleveland

Analyst

Good morning.

Scott Stember

Analyst

Maybe Andy just digging back into the fourth quarter assumptions for shipments or production levels, it sounds like we're pretty much at least on an absolute basis kind of hit a certain run rate, but the comparisons start to get much easier, definitely within the next couple of months as last year I think right around this time is when shipments started falling off the face of the earth. So I'm just trying to frame up how much or when would you expect to see an abatement of some of these declines fully recognizing that the absolute levels will remain kind of low sequentially in the next couple of quarters.

Andy Nemeth

Analyst

Sure. So as we look at where the RVIA has projected shipments for the year on the RV side of the business, it would be down high double digits year-over-year. We see OEs remaining fairly disciplined in the fourth quarter as it relates to run rates that we've seen over the past three quarters. I would tell you that we think there is opportunity for some uptick in shipments in the fourth quarter, but again really positioning well for the 2020 model season. As we noted, on the inventory side of the business, we think that inventories are very well positioned. And again, when you look at where we're at from a weeks on hand perspective and an inventory turns perspective against the backdrop of what we believe to be a strong retail environment.We think that the inventories are fairly well calibrated through the third quarter and again potentially over calibrating into Q4, but again positioning well for 2020.

Scott Stember

Analyst

Got it. And just broader speaking a couple of opportunities that it looks like you guys particularly take advantage of. First, there was a competitor in the transport business, so it looks like it's going out of business. I'm just trying to see how you guys think you can potentially benefit from that.And also with Furrion and the dislocation of the brand in some of the disruption, how you guys think you could benefit on some of those distribution type of items?

Todd Cleveland

Analyst

Yes, Scott. This is Todd. Yeah as noted, there was a transportation company that left and we have exceptional relationships with the customers that this particular transportation company was doing business with. So we're excited about the opportunity. We think there is significant potential gains there. Our teams have been really focused on aligning with the customer, even more so than what we've been. So really solid opportunity and I will say we continue to take market share in that particular business unit also in 2019. So when you look at their aggressive approach and how they've gone to market. As far as Indiana Transport, they've done a great job with our customers and the teams. As it relates to Furrion that's still playing out and we're still evaluating and looking at that -- those particular product lines. But they definitely do again, once again provide us significant opportunities in a very high dollar -- product dollar market. So great opportunity as we look not only during the fourth quarter, but into 2020.

Scott Stember

Analyst

And last question, Josh, did you give what the absolute total organic sales number was?

Joshua Boone

Analyst

So our collective industry was down 13% across the board. So in other quarter, where we experienced and navigated double-digit declines in our end markets. Our organic growth was positive again in the quarter, it's plus 1%, so net 12. We did offset that by the 1 point. And that's still in the face of headwinds on a declining commodity market that we really experienced in the first half of the year and then carried over to some additional into Q3.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Craig Kennison from Baird.

Craig Kennison

Analyst

Maybe starting, I guess, with the cyber attack, can you shed any more light on the scope of the attack and whether there was any customer or employee data that's now vulnerable?

Joshua Boone

Analyst

Yeah, Craig. This is Josh. The scope of the attack was centered around our operating systems and our network. And at this time, we do not believe any customer data was compromised or any employee data was compromised. We have forensic IT specialists that are assisting with this from a consultation basis. And so, at this time, we have no evidence of any customer data or employee data being compromised.

Todd Cleveland

Analyst

Craig, I'll add just a little bit of color to that as well. Our team reacted very, very quickly. We've got disaster recovery plans in place. We've got backup plans in place. We've also got contingency plans as it relates to engaging outside experts. And so our primary focus was to make sure that our customer commitments were taken care of. And then our team executed tremendously as it relates to mediate, remediating the attack, making sure that we were able to ship and we were down for just two days. We chose to be very aggressive in deploying those assets to and resources to be able to get back up and running as quickly as we did. So again, I think our teams across the spectrum whether it be our admin teams, our OPS teams did a fantastic job of adapting to a dynamic situation. And really coming out and doing what we needed to do based on the plans that we had in place and our backup plan. So, we were able to execute very, very well during that time frame.

Craig Kennison

Analyst

Did you lose any revenue in the quarter that was deferred into the fourth quarter? And then as a follow-up to that, is there anything in the nature of your business, which is highly decentralized that either makes that harder to manage or easier to contain since you've got a number of different systems?

Todd Cleveland

Analyst

Sure. We did not lose any material revenue in the quarter. And as it relates to our systems in our network, we do not have a lot of decentralized systems that are outside of our network. So we've got a strong platform in place. We've got a strong network fence in place and so it's not decentralized.

Craig Kennison

Analyst

And then you had mentioned on the fixed cost side having taken out an annualized $10 million in fixed cost. You also had the cyber event, which hopefully is non-recurring. Could you use that information and whatever else you know and try to frame 2020 margin growth expectations?

Joshua Boone

Analyst

Yes. So we'll start, it's Josh, Craig. We'll start to benefit from the cost reductions in the fourth quarter. If you just annualize that about $2.5 million on a run rate run rate per quarter moving forward. We don't expect any material impact the cyber incident moving forward. So when you kind of factor that in, things are setting up nicely for 2020. In addition to that, as industry normalizes on both on the RV and the marine side, and then we don't have the headwinds on the declining commodity market that we saw here in the first half of the year. And you put that all together and we are in a very good position to be able to execute on our 30 basis point to 50 basis point margin target improvement on an annualized basis. And kind of from what we see out in front of us and the actions we've taken this quarter, we're in a position to probably exceed on the 50 basis points margin improvement for 2020.

Craig Kennison

Analyst

Thank you. And then just on the M&A pipeline, I think you addressed this a little bit, but you guys don't like to sit on cash. At what point -- how quickly could you deploy those resources in attractive M&A opportunities?

Andy Nemeth

Analyst

This is Andy. We've got a great pipeline of opportunities that are out there today, Craig. We can deploy cash very, very quickly. So we did nine deals last year. We paused in the first half of this year to digest those deals as well to kind of gain some perspective on where we think our markets are headed. And so we're back on the -- our capital allocation deployment strategy in the back half of this year and into 2020. So we can deploy very quickly.

Craig Kennison

Analyst

I guess one more, then just on the content side, big picture, there has been a long-term trend toward less content and in RV as the industry chases that first time buyer. Hopefully some of those buyers return, but they look to upgrade. At some point, do you see a reversal or at least the bottoming in industry content per unit trends? I know you guys have been able to grow, but the category itself has been becoming more of a value category. How do you see that unfolding over time?

Todd Cleveland

Analyst

At this point, Craig, we believe that a tremendous amount of content has come out of the units. We think that the units have upside potential as it relates to making that conversion from low-end back into a more higher end value added differentiated product as we go forward. So we feel like we're at the baseline there. We have not seen -- we've seen a lot of movement to attract that younger buyer into the space. We do not believe that this is a replacement cycle. We believe that people have been aggressive at buying units at a low end. And we think that we're about to hit that time frame, when the buyer is going to start upgrading and differentiating. And we're seeing that in some of the brands that we sell to today have been the differentiated brands have been performing. And so we're optimistic about where the content can go and about that, the buyers that are going to start differentiating and upgrading units.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Tim Conder from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Tim Conder

Analyst

Thank you, gentlemen. Several questions already answered, but just wanted to circle back on LaSalle. So Josh, it sounds like you think looking into '20 here, that there should not be any residual hangover from LaSalle as we kind of wrap up here in Q4, just to reconfirm that.

Joshua Boone

Analyst

That's correct.

Tim Conder

Analyst

Okay. Okay. And then Todd, Andy, whoever wants to take this. A large player OEM stated here in their announcement very recently.That they see the 2020 RV retail units being maybe down low-single digits to mid-single digits. If that scenario plays out, what is your feel on the wholesale outlook for the North American industry. And granted there is still a little bit of inventory to clean up in predominantly Canada, but what's your feeling sort of building on what you've already discussed at this point?

Todd Cleveland

Analyst

Sure. So with -- where inventories are at today and where the weeks on hand are at flat to mid-single down on the retail side, still positions wholesale very well for next year. And as we noted in our release, we think we're well positioned for a more direct relationship on a one-to-one basis on an annual basis with wholesale and retail as we head into 2020. So, with retail, kind of going to be down from our estimates, low to mid single this year, we think that there is opportunity on the wholesale side, especially with the weeks that have been taken out.

Andy Nemeth

Analyst

And Craig, I'd just add. I mean if that scenario plays out like you're describing, I think the opportunity to at least meet or exceed 2019 shipment levels are definitely in play with a lot of opportunity for all of us.

Todd Cleveland

Analyst

And Tim, one, I'll just add one more piece of color on that. Retail this year, if it's down mid-single digits would put retail at 455,000 units or so. And our wholesale's projected according to RVIA at 401,000 units. So we're pulling over 50,000 units out of the channel this year and we're producing 50,000 less than what's being retailed. And so as Andy noted as you move into 2020, it's going to position wholesale to be able to withstand a pretty significant drop in retail before it would go negative in 2020. Retail could be down 5% to 8% to 10% and it would still be above 2019 wholesale shipment levels. And so from there just factor in as if there are any additional destocking taking place next year, but just wanted to add a little bit of some actual metrics related to how we're thinking about 2020.

Tim Conder

Analyst

And just to circle back to the Indiana Transport opportunity. Are you starting to see some of that reallocation of share benefiting Indiana Transport from the player that's exiting the market here in Q4? And any type of estimate, direction that you can give as to what that potential is, reasonable potential for Indiana Transport to gain as a result of that player exiting the market?

Todd Cleveland

Analyst

Yes, Tim, this is Todd. I would say, they are winding things down and they're doing it in a very systematic way again to not impact the dealers or customers and we're being respectful of that process. So I don't think we'll probably start seeing any significant benefit of that until maybe mid to late November, but I would tell you that our team is aggressively working with the different dealers and OEs to capitalize on those opportunities as it relates to the magnitude, I would see the opportunity for sure for us to be gaining 20% to 25% of this particular transport company's market share, if not a little bit more. So again, a strong opportunity for us in when we look at 2020.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Steve O'Hara from Sidoti & Company.

Steve O'Hara

Analyst

Just on the, I guess, most of my questions have been answered, but in terms of the cash balance on the balance sheet. I mean is that just timing or is there something, is that just kind of dry powder waiting for acquisitions or share buybacks? And then I'm just curious about the multiples you've seen recently. I'm just, are multiples improving? Are they still kind of maybe more elevated like they were previously? Thank you.

Joshua Boone

Analyst

I'll take the first one there, Steve. The cash on the balance sheet, it's little bit of both. It's a little bit of timing and it's a little bit of dry powder positioned us to deploy capital. So it will ebb and flow quarter-to-quarter, but it's really a combination of both.

Steve O'Hara

Analyst

Okay.

Andy Nemeth

Analyst

And Steve, this is Andy. On the acquisition multiples, multiples have remained fairly consistent. We've not seen a lot of players run to the table with discounted multiples. People have been pretty confident in the markets really through this recalibration process and have held pretty steady. And so, we have not seen a lot of compression, but we stay very disciplined to what we're doing and again we've just -- it's been fairly consistent.

Steve O'Hara

Analyst

Okay. And then maybe just on the RV, it was down 55% I guess in the quarter. And I mean I know you wanted to reduce that and if you have, let's say, also growth obviously that will swing that to the upside assuming some additional growth in the other markets. But I mean in terms of the acquisition outlook, is there -- I mean, is it still -- do you feel -- I guess what market do you feel is maybe under-represented in your portfolio, where would you like to add, and then are there other areas outside of what you're currently in that maybe you're considering? Thank you.

Andy Nemeth

Analyst

Steve, this is Andy. We feel really good about the balance in our portfolio today. We feel really good about the acquisition pipeline and where those acquisitions lie. We're not looking to extend outside of our primary markets today. So we stay close to what we know. We stay disciplined and we're going to stay opportunistic based on returns, based on strategic value, based on potential relationship opportunities and customer product lines and innovation. So we spread that across the platform and evaluate each of our candidates to prioritize those candidates, which make the most sense. But we stay very disciplined to our four primary markets. And again, we like the balance, it's in our portfolio today.

Steve O'Hara

Analyst

Okay. All right. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Daniel Moore from CJS Securities. Please go ahead.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Thank you. Just a quick follow-up on M&A. Now that you've been in the marine space actively for a couple of years. Maybe just talk about the overall pipeline of opportunities that are coming your way now versus kind of where we were two years ago, specifically in marine? Thank you.

Andy Nemeth

Analyst

Sure. Dan. This is Andy. We're very active in both cultivating opportunities, developing relationships. We've got tremendous talent across our marine platform and tremendous relationships in our brand-based portfolio and brand-based model, and tremendous touch points. So we've got a combination of deals coming our way as well as deals that we're actively talking to and feel really good about where we're at today, especially compared to two years ago. We remain active and excited about that market with tremendous touch points and customer opportunities. So we're very excited about this space.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

That's it from me. Thank you.

Andy Nemeth

Analyst

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from John Lovallo from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

John Lovallo

Analyst

Hey, guys. Thank you for taking my questions as well. The first one is, there is still different -- I guess there's varying views out there and how the industry, maybe RV industry is actually going to play out next year, but I'm just curious, what level of kind of wholesale and retail shipments are you actually planning your business around in 2020?

Joshua Boone

Analyst

Yes, John. This is Josh. It's obviously very volatile and fluid at this moment in time. We stay very close to the customers in our touch points. What I would say is, we have a very flexible and nimble model to be able to flex up and down very quickly and so. As we look over the horizon and we get through the kind of the model season here, we got to the model year change over here in Q3, and we look, our production run rates are going into Q4 in the first half of the year, we're planning on being able to flex and adapt the wholesale shipments. We're at a run rate right now in the low 400,000. We can flex up very quickly. We just right sized our business model here in Q3. We've tactically and strategically have done that in the first half of the year. We just took a lot more aggressive steps across the board in Q3. So what we would say is that, we're planning 2020 to kind of be a little bit volatile here in the first half of the year, but we're able to flex up very quickly and adapt to that.

Andy Nemeth

Analyst

John, this is Andy. When you look at kind of the math between wholesale and retail and where retail expectations are for next year and we believe there is a solid backdrop to retail in our leisure lifestyle markets for 2020. Our business is positioned to operate either at the RVIA numbers or above. And we think there is upside potential to the RVIA numbers that are out there. So as Josh mentioned, we're very flexible and nimble today, positioned to be able to execute at the low end, which would be the RVIA statistics that are down 3% next year. But I would tell you that, we also believe that there is upside potential, based on the math. And based on the strong retail backdrop as Josh noted. Retail can fall pretty, pretty significantly next year and still support a one-for-one on wholesale to retail. So we're positioned to flex up and down, but also positioned at that low end on the RVIA numbers.

John Lovallo

Analyst

And then in terms of the marine business, do you still expect the destocking to be relatively short-lived and if so, what kind of gives you guys the confidence there?

Andy Nemeth

Analyst

This is Andy. We do expect it to be short-lived. The marine, OEs and dealers have aggressively destocked over the course of, first of all, the third quarter, into the third quarter, through the third quarter and we expect that to continue through the fourth quarter. But inventories are coming back in line very, very quickly. And so we think there is upside potential. We do think that weather impacted the aluminum and pontoon markets up in the north in the first part of the year, which is really the driver behind it. And so again, as they have reacted very quickly, we think that, again 2020 is positioning very nicely in our leisure lifestyle markets.

John Lovallo

Analyst

And then finally, just heading into an election year, which will likely be among the more contentious in history, do you anticipate any impact on kind of more discretionary large ticket purchases? Have you guys thought about it in the past?

Andy Nemeth

Analyst

We expect there to be some volatility. That being said, I think that's baked in right now to estimates and assumptions as it relates to the retail backdrop. So it's going to impact retail, but as we've noted, the wholesale inventories are positioned very well to support retail especially at the levels that we're at. So we would expect some volatility and again are positioned to manage through that, but I would tell you that that's, we believe that's in our expectations on a stronger, still a strong resilient retail for 2020.

Operator

Operator

We have no further questions at this time. I'll now turn the call over to Ms. Julie Ann Kotowski for further remarks.

Julie Ann Kotowski

Analyst

Thanks, Paulette. We appreciate everyone for being on the call today and look forward to talking to you again at our fourth quarter 2019 conference call. A replay of today's call will be archived on Patrick's website www.patrickind.com under Investor Relations. And I'll turn the call back over to our operator.

Operator

Operator

Thank you ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's teleconference. Thank you for joining. And you may now disconnect.