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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Encana Corporation's Second Quarter 2016 Results Conference Call. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. For members of the media attending in listen-only mode today, you may quote statements made by any of the Encana representatives; however, members of the media who wish to quote others who are speaking on this call today, we advise you to contact those individuals directly to obtain their consent. Please be advised that this conference call may not be recorded or rebroadcast without the express consent of Encana Corporation. I would like to turn the conference call over to Brendan McCracken, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, Mr. McCracken.

Brendan McCracken - Vice President-Investor Relations

Management

Thank you, operator. Welcome, everyone, to our second quarter 2016 results conference call. This call is being webcast and the slides are available on our website at encana.com. Before we get started, please take note of the advisory regarding forward-looking statements in the news release and at the end of our webcast slides. Further advisory information is contained in our most recent Annual Information Form and in other disclosure documents filed on SEDAR and EDGAR. I also wish to highlight that Encana prepares its financial statements in accordance with U.S. GAAP and reports its financial results in U.S. dollars. So references to dollars means U.S. dollars, and the reserves, resources and production information are after royalties unless otherwise noted. This morning, Doug Suttles, Encana's President and CEO, will provide the highlights of our second quarter results. Sherri Brillon, our CFO, will then provide an update of our guidance; and Mike McAllister, our COO, will then describe our operational results. I'll now turn the call over to Doug Suttles. Douglas James Suttles - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Thanks, Brendan, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us. This quarter, we continued to beat our guidance across our business. The combination of our cost savings, execution performance, and the quality of our core four assets are driving higher returns. We are reducing cash costs, increasing capital efficiency and increasing production in our updated guidance. Our stronger returns and expected sale proceeds are giving us the confidence to increase capital spending in 2016 to position us for growth in 2017. We have once again dramatically lowered our drilling and completion costs in each of our core four assets. This builds upon the already peer-leading capital efficiency that we delivered in the first quarter. This performance demonstrates that our belief in…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now take questions from the telephone lines. And the first question is from Brian Singer with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Brian Singer - Goldman Sachs & Co.: Thank you. Good morning. Douglas James Suttles - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Good morning, Brian. Brian Singer - Goldman Sachs & Co.: Given your willingness to allocate a portion of asset sale proceeds here to increase the CapEx, do you believe the balance sheet and leverage reductions are now sufficient or do you see the need or any interest in additional asset sales or equity issuance to support further deleveraging or further that matter additional acceleration activity? Douglas James Suttles - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah. Brian, you kind of outlined how we think about it in your question there. And we've talked about this several times through the year in that we have a number of levers that we can pull to continue to reduce our debt while growing the core four and of course the best one of all is just drive this efficiency relentlessly. I mean I think as Sherri mentioned, we've added almost $150 million of additional scope without – before we even increased the budget and that drives additional cash flow, which further delevers us. We also continue to tighten up the portfolio and we talked about the use of proceeds there. So we have a lot of levers to pull, as we look forward; and as we look into 2017, we have to consider where we think the commodity prices are going to be, but there's a lot of choices here, and what we really believe we need to do is actually grow our EBITDA as one of the most powerful levers to reduce our debt, but as…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Greg Pardy from RBC Capital. Please go ahead.

Greg Pardy - RBC Dominion Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Yeah, thanks. Good morning. Doug, the $200 million number and then the 30,000 BOE a day to 35,000 BOE a day into next year, an impressive number. You touched on the reinvestment savings kind of attached to that number. Could you quantify that a little bit? And then just in terms of how you're going to spend those dollars, then is the game plan in the Permian just to continue on with very large pads as you've done? Douglas James Suttles - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah, Greg, I mean, the simplest headline of this, which is that we're actually going to increase activity or scope of our program, in other words the number of wells we drill and complete by 50% over our original plan that we guided to in February for only 20% increase in capital. And, of course, these new wells are coming at these very, very highly efficient cost. About 80% of that capital is going into the Permian, but – and I think as Sherri and Mike mentioned it, we have capital going into all four. They're all very, very competitive and they all generate quality returns at today's price deck. So, we don't require better pricing to do that. So, that's the broad shape. And it's interesting, if we didn't increase scope, we've gotten to the point that we drill these wells so fast, now we would have basically been – had to shut our activity down in the fourth quarter because we would have fully consumed our original scope almost a full quarter earlier. And what we're effectively doing now is that we're going to add one net rig is all to the program to get this additional scope, which may have, as some people think about, the service sector may have some implications there. But maybe the last point I'd make is it wasn't very long ago we thought as a rig year in the Permian is delivering about 12 wells, now we think a rig year is 25 wells in a rig year as we go forward. Big and small pads, it's a mixture. But like our Davidson pad, our 14-well pad, we expect to reoccupy that pad next year. We think that that pad may ultimately have 64 wells on it.

Greg Pardy - RBC Dominion Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. Okay. So, maybe let me ask the question another way. If you sort of think about like a normalized capital efficiency in the Permian, would $15,000 to $20,000 of flowing sort of be the number? The math obviously with $200 million in 30 – even using the midpoint, like I think we're at $6,000 of flowing, which is a wonderful number. I'm just wondering if that's fully loaded or not. Douglas James Suttles - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah, Greg, good question. Your $15,000 to $20,000 is a good number because what you're missing in that is, we obviously have what we call carrying capital. Some of those wells won't be completed until next year because we're just drilling this year. So, when you add that back in, you end up in that $15,000 to $20,000 range in the Permian.

Greg Pardy - RBC Dominion Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Okay, perfect. Just one quick one on the $1.1 billion of proceeds coming in on the DJ and the Gordondale. That was just like just a little bit below what we were expecting, but there was nothing that really changed in that deal, right? It was $900 million with a face value less I guess working capital and other adjustments, but there was no other changes there, were there? Douglas James Suttles - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah, Greg, we have kind of – this is a – this deal has obviously taken a lot longer than a normal deal, we'd openly acknowledge that. And we haven't – and obviously haven't said a lot about it since way back in December. But after you make the adjustments on this one in the Gordondale deal, we actually, we gave this number. And we normally don't talk net proceeds because it gets very complicated and all the adjustments that come into place. But in this case, there was a lot of interest so we thought we would just clear the air and say, guys, here is what we expect is net proceeds, so as you look at our balance sheet going forward you can account for that.

Greg Pardy - RBC Dominion Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Okay, perfectly – perfect. You touched on – just on the TransCanada Mainline Tolls, Brian probably should have asked this question given all the work he has done on it, but just any update there on that in terms of either timelines or what have you, it's obviously pretty important for you guys I would think given your gas volumes. Douglas James Suttles - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah, let me ask Renee Zemljak, who is our EVP of Midstream and Marketing, to touch on that. We have obviously been actively involved in that. I should actually do what you just did. I think Brian's report on that was pretty insightful, by the way, folks haven't seen that, but Renee?

Renee E. Zemljak - Executive Vice President-Midstream, Marketing and Fundamentals

Analyst

Sure. From a timing perspective, that's difficult to answer. I can tell you that we are in ongoing conversations with TransCanada. We're really encouraged to date with regards to how those have gone. Their public offering on tolls has been about a 50% reduction in exchange for longer-term contracts and it's getting a lot of attention and a lot of interest from other producers as well. I am – but it's really difficult to me to comment timing on when we think that will actually come together, but I can tell you that we're encouraged with what we're seeing so far.

Greg Pardy - RBC Dominion Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Okay, great. And – go ahead. Douglas James Suttles - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah, Greg, I just want to add one more thing. We covered a lot of this in the Montney Day back in May, but we believe in this recipe to make money in gas in North America uses a lot of it. And the good news is by the way, demand is increasing, which we're encouraged by. But this combination, if we've got to be in great plays and great plays are defined by a lot of resource, inexpensive, highly productive wells, and you need scale. So you can get efficiency and you actually need condensate, and Mike kind of pointed to that the wells we're drilling now have seven times as much condensate per million cubic feet of gas as the old wells. And then we believe we can go head-to-head with this adjustment to the tolling structure with gas from anywhere into the new markets in the East.

Greg Pardy - RBC Dominion Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Very good. Last one from me then. I am not sure you'll answer it. But lot of moving parts in the company this year between dispositions and obviously the acceleration activity. Could you give us an idea where you think you'll exit 2016 oil and liquids corporate? Like is 120,000, circa I don't know 125,000 kind of ballpark-ish because I guess the key is, we're trying to get a sense as to what you're going to look like in 2017, right now it's still a little bit opaque. Douglas James Suttles - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Greg, I just don't have that number at hand at the moment, so I can't give it precisely beyond what we've – I think Sherri mentioned, which is we cut the exit rate decline and exit rate we consider as the fourth quarter rate from 10% to 5%. And we are looking hard at what we want to do in 2017, but between lowering our cost structure which is generating additional cash flow in these incredible capital efficiency gains, we're pretty encouraged, but you might follow up with Brendan and the team on that after the call.

Greg Pardy - RBC Dominion Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Will do. Thanks very much. Douglas James Suttles - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Thanks, Greg.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Menno Hulshof from TD Securities. Please go ahead.

Menno Hulshof - TD Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Thank you, and good morning. So I'm just going to follow up with some of Greg's line of questioning. So, of the $200 million in incremental capital and then reinvested savings, how much of that would be going into new wells versus your DUC inventory? Douglas James Suttles - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah, Menno, the actual number of completions we're carrying into 2017 is, I think, only different by like three. So it's really no change to as you think of DUCs. For us, it's effectively. We've never been sort of – we've never been build-the-DUC inventory believer. So our pace really doesn't shift at all. I think it went from 31 DUCs to 34 DUCs or something.

Menno Hulshof - TD Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Okay, thank you. And then you also mentioned that you're going to be drilling two Austin Chalk wells before year-end. So maybe you could just comment on how extensive your Austin Chalk – how prospective the Austin Chalk would be on your lands based on what you know today? Douglas James Suttles - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah, Menno, it has been some great work by some of our peers in the Austin Chalk. We've been following that quite closely, done a lot of geoscience work around it, and think that the Austin Chalk potential doesn't lay on across all of our lands, but a reasonable portion of them. And based on our understanding, we think we understand the difference between where you make a good Austin Chalk well and a poor one, and it's now time to go test that and verify that. So, that's what we're going to do. So we'll have a couple of wells here drilled shortly and, by the end of the year, should have some production results to talk to and at that time, we'd probably have a better feel for how big the potential might be. We don't carry – in the inventory numbers you see for us in the Eagle Ford, we don't carry any Austin Chalk wells.

Menno Hulshof - TD Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. Perfect. And then I've got one final one on the Duvernay. You mentioned that you just drilled a pacesetter well of – I think it was like $6.8 million, so was there any meaningful change in the design for that well relative to what you've been doing for the last couple of quarters? Douglas James Suttles - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: I'll ask Mike to pick up on it, but we really want to push this point hard because there's a couple of things in what Mike did. Some people have been pulling public data and unfortunately they probably don't understand Canada public data and they are missing the plant condensate, which is the main reason we drill these wells. So we're really stressing, look, these wells that used to cost over $20 million apiece are now under $7 million. The type curve is 1.3 million BOEs. These are 50% condensate wells. If we go run the math at the current strip pricing, you will find the returns are very, very good, but some people seem to have missed that. Mike, maybe you want to comment on how we – what we've been doing to drive the well cost down. Michael G. McAllister - Chief Operating Officer & Executive Vice President: Yeah. Hi, Menno. Yeah, in the Duvernay as in all of our plays, we can go with multi-well pads. As well in the Duvernay, we've run, to drill an 8-well pad, we'll run two drilling rigs and then dual frac spread, so that's really helped us drive our cost structure down. With respect to this well, it's just continuous learning. We call it kind of structured innovation. As we walked along the path, we look at what are those parameters, as the drill bit design is at our bottom hole assembly that's inhibiting the progress and our ability to drill that well faster. So just continuous innovation walking along that path and we do that essentially in all our plays and you can see the results how the costs are coming down.

Menno Hulshof - TD Securities, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. Thanks, Mike. That's it from me.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Rob Morris from Citi. Please go ahead.

Robert Scott Morris - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst

Thank you. Doug, I think you answered my first question, but just to confirm, you'll end the year with about 34 DUCs. Is that what you said? Douglas James Suttles - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah. That's our current estimate, and the old number was 31 DUCs. So it's about the same as you saw before.

Robert Scott Morris - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst

And most of those are in the Permian? Douglas James Suttles - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Most of them, I think we'll have some in the Duvernay as well.

Robert Scott Morris - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. And then just on the revolver, I know you're paying down debt as we go through the year, but you'll still probably have over $1 billion drawn on your revolver and I know you're not anywhere close to violating the covenant on that. But how comfortable are you in carrying a significant draw on that revolver and how do you look at that going forward as far as wanting to pay that down or just converting that to straight-out debt at some point? Douglas James Suttles - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Well, you know Bob, if you look at our debt structure, and Sherri will want to jump in here, but if you look at our debt structure, about three-quarters of it's due past 3030 – 2030. 3030 is really far out there. It's after 2030. And actually having some pull on this revolver has given us more flexibility than we had before because otherwise if we retire debt, we were having to accelerate long-term notes, which isn't particularly efficient. But ultimately, we do want to bring this down, but we've got a lot of capacity. We're not at all worried about getting outside the covenant. We got about two times cover off that. But Sherri, your thoughts? Sherri A. Brillon - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President: Yeah. I mean considering that we don't have a maturity until 2019 and that maturity is about $500 million in that year, when I look at the revolver the reason we have such a strong revolver is to utilize it during these cycles and through these times and we're confident that we certainly want to exceed our covenant and I think it provided us with the financial flexibility that we required in order to get through this cycle.

Robert Scott Morris - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst

Okay, great. And last question just quickly. I know you've got several other – most off your other non-core assets you're trying to sell. Don't recall how many of those currently have data rooms open but how many of those are there bids due during the second half of the year that we might anticipate that we'll see something on further asset sales in the second half of 2016? Douglas James Suttles - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah. I almost feel like saying good try, Bob, but we just don't guide to divestments, but the direction you're pointing to is correct, which is we still do have non-core assets. We've been pretty consistently for two and a half years tightening up the portfolio and successfully at that. But we just believe it's best to build this business around, if you will, the organic existing business and not guide to divestments and talk to them once we have a purchase and sale agreement in place, as we think it's the most efficient way to divest properties.

Robert Scott Morris - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst

Yeah, understood. Good quarter. Thanks. Douglas James Suttles - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Jeffrey Campbell from Tuohy Brothers. Please go ahead.

Jeffrey Campbell - Tuohy Brothers Investment Research, Inc.

Analyst

Good morning and congratulations on all the operational strength that you're showing in this quarter. I was wondering if we can just kind of flesh out the Davidson a little bit more. How does the – I mean it sounds like a really big pad. How does the size of the pad compare with industry norms? Which zones are you producing at present? What's the average lateral length of these wells? And more than anything, is this an evolving prototype for your near-term development in the Permian? Douglas James Suttles - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah, I think I'd start with your last part of your question, which we actually believe strongly that these big pads are the most efficient way to do development. So on this pad, it is physically large because we actually had four drilling rigs on it, drilling simultaneously, and then when we did the 14 – completed the 14 wells, we did it with four frac spreads operating simultaneously when we were out there, and we think not only does it shorten cycle time, it drives additional efficiency, so we do think this is the model. As we go forward, we ultimately think this pad, I think, is probably going to have 64 wells on it. And Mike, maybe you can talk about lateral length in the zones we are developing currently. Michael G. McAllister - Chief Operating Officer & Executive Vice President: Hi, Jeffrey. Yeah. Lateral lengths averaged around 8,400 foot and it was both Wolfcamp A and Wolfcamp B were drilled into 14 wells.

Jeffrey Campbell - Tuohy Brothers Investment Research, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. Great. And I assume – well, maybe I shouldn't assume anything. With all the other locations you are talking about, does that imply that you haven't exhausted all the As and Bs that you can drill, and are we talking about Lower Spraberry, any color there? Douglas James Suttles - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah. What we've done here is a couple of things and this was one of the previous questions. We did a lot of work last year with what we call the box well where we drilled a vertical well and then drilled five horizontals by that well at different vertical and lateral spacing, so those were all development wells and the monitoring well was a producing vertical well at the same time. But what we've done now is applied what we've learned doing that work to this Davidson and we think it's the ultimate spacing. We think we understand frac geometry on this. We haven't disclosed all those details because we've obviously spent a lot of money learning all this, and we are not going to give that away to our competitors. We do trade some of that information when others have information to trade. So we think that's the case, and then there we also have – we haven't done the Lower Spraberry here at all. There is Wolfcamp C, so there's considerably more potential and that's how we see that this pad could probably ultimately end up at 64 wells.

Jeffrey Campbell - Tuohy Brothers Investment Research, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. Great. And my other question I'd like to ask is you've given us a very good roadmap on the Montney through 2018. And you've also highlighted the costs and the attractive condensate in the Duvernay. So I'm just wondering if we can speak broadly to what variables will determine the extent to which the Duvernay will be able to attract capital over that same 2017, 2018 time period that you've identified for the Montney? Douglas James Suttles - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah. The big challenge on the Duvernay, Mike mentioned we have three gas processing facilities there today. We currently have a bit of available capacity, but to grow it substantially beyond where it is today would require building new facilities in that, and we have to just think when we're focused so much on capital productivity, because there is about a two-year cycle time on that, and ultimately probably our preference is not to own the midstream, maybe to do something similar to what we did in the Montney. So, that's really the limiter. It's not the well economics. It's the lead time to build gas processing. So I do expect us to continue to invest money there, but it'll probably be largely to fill up and then keep full the existing facility in the near term.

Jeffrey Campbell - Tuohy Brothers Investment Research, Inc.

Analyst

That was actually what I was thinking, too. Can you replicate the third-party capital model for processing that you're going to do in the Montney? I mean do you think that's feasible over time? Douglas James Suttles - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah. I'm looking across the table at Renee, and I think so. We actually have thought about this several times, but we thought the play need to get a bit more mature before that happened and obviously I think the play is accelerating now. So hopefully that will be available to us in the future.

Jeffrey Campbell - Tuohy Brothers Investment Research, Inc.

Analyst

Okay, great. Thanks a lot and congratulations again on the quarter. Douglas James Suttles - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from David Meats from Morningstar. Please go ahead.

David Meats - Morningstar, Inc.

Analyst

Hey, guys. I am looking on the math on the Permian slide here in your deck. It's a little hard to tell the scale, but is your acreage in this area contiguous enough to support very large pads on a widespread basis like the one you brought on this quarter? And do you have any interest in doing acreage swaps with other operators to enhance this? Douglas James Suttles - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah, David, a bunch of it is and is able, but not all of it, as you can see from the math. And we've been very active this year in doing acreage swaps to make our lands more contiguous. It's been a pretty active program and we expect that to continue going forward. But you're exactly right. The more we can make it more contiguous and more efficient, we can do the development. So we have a lot of the land we can do that on today. I mean, David, about how many swaps have we completed this year in the Permian? David G. Hill - Executive VP-Exploration & Business Development: I think about five swaps and multiples more underway. Douglas James Suttles - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah. So we're headed the same way you're asking.

David Meats - Morningstar, Inc.

Analyst

Okay, fair enough. And on the same slide, you have a little bit of color on the Clearfork and the Canyon. What's the timeline on testing these new zones? Douglas James Suttles - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Let me toss that one over to David. Timeline on the Canyon, and what was the other zone you asked about?

David Meats - Morningstar, Inc.

Analyst

The Clearfork. You have them both highlighted there as upside zones. I was just... Douglas James Suttles - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: Yeah. The timing for testing? David G. Hill - Executive VP-Exploration & Business Development: Yeah. Those zones and several more of that, the teams have continued to do work on core work, simulation work, but we're just not disclosing exactly the timing. We'll be testing those, but the teams are active in that.

David Meats - Morningstar, Inc.

Analyst

All right. Thanks a lot guys. Douglas James Suttles - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director: All right. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions registered at this time. I'd like to turn the meeting back over to Mr. McCracken.

Brendan McCracken - Vice President-Investor Relations

Management

This now concludes our call. Thank you for joining us this morning.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The conference has now ended. Please disconnect your lines at this time, and thank you for your participation.