Craig Smiddy
Analyst · JMP Securities
I'd be happy to comment on that. We are always open and considering the potential for M&A. And just tying it back to the capital discussion we had a little bit ago. I think, as I mentioned, the first order of business is to try to redeploy that capital back into the business if we can, that's the first step. And if we don't see opportunities then that's when we look to returning the capital to shareholders one way or another. So we're very open minded about M&A. As I said in my concluding remarks, we are a specialist. We like to call ourselves an inch wide and a mile deep where we think we understand our specialties from a underwriting, pricing, marketing, risk control, claims point of view better than anybody else, that's what we strive for. So the first thing we look for in an M&A transition -- transaction is something specialty. And as I mentioned earlier, we're heavy in workers' compensation, we're heavy in commercial auto. We've seen some opportunities for auto books of business, for workers' compensation books of business, those don't excite us very much because we're trying to diversify. On the other hand, we also see some opportunities that frankly are -- where the prospect is a generalist. And we work hard to try to say, well, is there a specialty play here within that portfolio? And sometimes that's hard to find. And then lastly, sometimes we might find ourselves competing with maybe a specialty book of business that is managed by an MGA that actually looks like it would fit in very well. However, we're competing against other brokers and other carriers that are willing to pay something that we think would be highly dilutive. So we try to avoid any kind of acquisition that would be highly dilutive to our shareholders. So it has to get through those filters. But we are open for business to the right specialty opportunity on the General Insurance side of the business. And when it comes to the Title side, we have made a few small agency acquisitions. We have a few we're talking to right now. We will continue to do that. And when we do that, here, too, there's a filter where we're very careful because we're loyal to our independent Title agent network. And we don't go in and make acquisitions that find us in a position whereby we're now competing with our Title agents in the same geography, for instance. So we do look at title agency acquisitions when they make sense, because they don't put us in conflict with our agency distribution network and we have been successful on some small acquisitions. And here, too, we're open for business and would be very eager to look at anything that might be a fit. And I'll reiterate that our first order of business is to redeploy the capital back into the business, either investing in businesses like the E&S business that we're investing in currently, investing in the lawyers professional that we just announced, investing in agency acquisitions, that's first order of business before we look at returning capital.