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Opendoor Technologies Inc. (OPEN)

Q3 2023 Earnings Call· Thu, Nov 2, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Opendoor Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your speaker today, Kimberly Niehaus, Investor Relations Officer. Please go ahead.

Kimberly Niehaus

Analyst

Thank you and good afternoon. Details of our results and additional management commentary are available in our earnings release and shareholder letter, which can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website at investor.opendoor.com. Please note that this call will be simultaneously webcast on the Investor Relations section of the company's corporate website. Before we start, I would like to remind you that the following discussion contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. All statements other than statements of historical fact are statements that could be deemed forward-looking, including but not limited to, statements regarding Opendoor’s financial condition, anticipated financial performance, business strategy and plans, market opportunity expansion, and management objectives for future operations. These statements are neither promises nor guarantees, and undue reliance should not be placed on them. Such forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed here. Additional information that could cause actual results to differ from forward-looking statements can be found in the Risk Factors section of Opendoor's most recent annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2022, as updated by our periodic reports filed after that 10-K. Any forward-looking statements made on this conference call, including responses to your questions, are based on management's reasonable current expectations and assumptions as of today, and Opendoor assumes no obligation to update or revise them whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise, except as required by law. The following discussion contains references to certain non-GAAP financial measures. The company believes these non-GAAP financial measures are useful to investors as supplemental operational measurements to evaluate the company's financial performance. For a reconciliation of each of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP metric, please see our website at investor.opendoor.com. I will now turn the call over to Carrie Wheeler, Chief Executive Officer of Opendoor.

Carrie Wheeler

Analyst

Good afternoon. Also on the call with me today is Christy Schwartz, Interim Chief Financial Officer, and Dod Fraser, President of Capital and Open Exchange. As the market leading platform that is leveraging technology to transform and simplify the way people buy and sell their home, Opendoor has the opportunity to build a generational company and disrupt a massive market. Over the past year, our team has been hard at work scaling our customer acquisition channels and improving our pricing systems and cost structure. We believe we've laid the foundation to reaccelerate revenue next year as we build for a future of sustained profitable growth. In the third quarter, Opendoor purchased 3,136 homes. This was an increase of 17% quarter-over-quarter, despite the fact that average new listings were down 8% within our buybox in our markets, demonstrating our ability to gain share despite lower market transaction volumes. Throughout 2023, we made cost structure and pricing accuracy improvements and passed those through despite reductions, which in turn enabled us to increase acquisitions quarter-over-quarter. These spreads improvements, combined with our growing partnership channels and plans to increase advertising spend in the first half of 2024, should allow us to accelerate home acquisitions next year. Our third quarter results demonstrate continued execution in what remains an uncertain US housing market. Mortgage rates hit a 22-year high of 8% in October, up over 100 basis points since reported Q2 results in August. Market clearance rates, while still at historically healthy levels, have declined more than expected with higher rates further depressing buyer demand. While these market moves do have implications for our business, we continue to operate within our risk management framework and focus on controlling what we can control. Based on current conditions and signals we're observing, our plans to increase acquisition volumes…

Christy Schwartz

Analyst

Thank you, Carrie. Our third quarter results reflect increased acquisition volume, the growing mix of our new book of inventory, and our continued focus on cost discipline. We remain focused on delivering healthy, risk-adjusted contribution margins and preserving capital through disciplined cost management. We delivered $980 million of revenue in the third quarter, slightly exceeding the midpoint of our expected guidance range. We have continued to sell-through our longest held homes with less than 150 old book homes not in resale contract at quarter-end. On the acquisition front, we purchased 3,136 homes in the third quarter, a 17% sequential increase, despite a decline in market new listings within our buybox. We returned to positive contribution margin in the third quarter, generating positive 4.4% versus negative 4.6% in Q2 2023. These results were ahead of our implied guidance range of 3.2% to 4%. The outperformance reflects both the strong performance of our new book of homes as well as slightly higher mix of new book versus old book resales than expected. Our new book of homes generated gross margins of 12% and contribution margin of 9.2% in the third quarter. Adjusted EBITDA loss was $49 million in the third quarter, inclusive of our previously recorded inventory valuation adjustments of negative $29 million. This beat the high end of our guidance range and is an improvement from an adjusted EBITDA loss of 168 million in the second quarter of 2023. Adjusted operating expenses, which we defined as the delta between contribution profit and adjusted EBITDA, were $92 million in Q3, up from $78 million in Q2, 2023, and down from $189 million in Q3, 2022. The sequential increase reflects the fact that we began rebuilding inventory in the third quarter, while the decline versus the prior year period reflects our improved cost…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Nick Jones with JMP Securities. Your line is now open.

Nick Jones

Analyst

Great, thanks for taking the questions. I guess I saw the comments on the NAR lawsuit and kind of recent judgment on Missouri. If commissions were to come down and I realize maybe it lowers your cost a little bit, but does that then change the value proposition and the spread dynamic in your go-to market and how you can expect your homes to convert, I guess, if we kind of see this out longer term?

Carrie Wheeler

Analyst

Hey, Nick, it's Carrie. I mean, short answer is no, it doesn't mean. We're here to serve someone looking to sell their home with simplicity and certainty, and that's the fee we charge today. And as I said earlier in my comments, and the buyer broker commission for us is a cost that we pay out as we resell our homes. And if that comes down, I mean -- at worst it's a neutral in terms of overall margin to us over time.

Nick Jones

Analyst

Great. And then as we think about, I guess, 2024, how much of an overhang will affordability continue to be? I mean, do we really need to see transaction volumes kind of normalize to semi-historic levels for things to kind of improve and growth to kind of reaccelerate and margins to come through? Is it kind of a longer-term view or do you think the expansion of the buybox that you talked to and those in the shareholder letters enough to kind of continue to grow and navigate the current environment?

Dod Fraser

Analyst

Yeah, I mean, I think we feel really comfortable with our ability to grow and navigate. I think as we've talked about in past calls, I think it's important to distinguish between price stability and volumes from a -- we really care most about price stability because that allows us to reduce our spreads. From a volumes perspective, as we mentioned in the letter, our addressable market today is $600 billion and so we just need a small fraction of that addressable market to scale back to profitable cash flow breakeven.

Carrie Wheeler

Analyst

Hey Nick, it's Carrie. The only one I want to add on to Dodd's good answer is that we have been showing throughout the course of the year that we're gaining share. And we're gaining share against a declining market. And I think that's evidence of the value prop and what we're putting into the market for customers and our focus is continuing to do so.

Nick Jones

Analyst

Great. Thanks, Carrie. Thanks, Dod.

Carrie Wheeler

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Ygal Arounian with Citigroup. Your line is now open.

Ygal Arounian

Analyst · Citigroup. Your line is now open.

Hey, good afternoon, guys. I just want to focus on prices and spreads for a little bit. I'm sure you're not surprised about that. So, on the reference call right now, they just talked about seeing some signals of home prices softening and in their view that's a good thing. I know that obviously has an impact on how you think about the world. And so I may have missed some of the comments, Carrie, but just your thoughts on spreads right now as we get through end of this year and into next year and what you're factoring in and thinking about in terms of home prices as we kind of work through what's been a more of a challenging environment than last time we spoke?

Dod Fraser

Analyst · Citigroup. Your line is now open.

Yep. So let's, like, first off, let's just sort of step back and look at what the year's been like. So 2023, still -- we're still seeing 4 million homes being sold in the US annually. To your point, we have observed low supply, but we've also paired that with resilient buyer demand. And so what we've seen is supply and demand largely staying in balance, which has resulted in home price stability. The metric we really focus a lot on is market clearance or the pace of resales. We look at that because it really helps reflect the balance of supply and demand. And if you look at the back of our shareholder letter, market clearance continues to be above historical periods. For the homes we're buying today, we'll be selling those into the spring selling season next year. 4Q acquisitions for us have historically been some of our strongest cohorts given the month-over-month home price tailwinds that start to show up in mid-February. So we will continue to monitor our leading indicators, monitor clearance, and be disciplined about balancing growth, margin and risk. But this has thus far been a stable house price market and that is in part why we've been able to retake our spreads down.

Ygal Arounian

Analyst · Citigroup. Your line is now open.

Got it. I just -- may just a follow-up on that. How does -- what full year we're talking about here, align with the lower clearance rates you're seeing and lowering the prices? Right now, is it more of a seasonal factor? I just want to make sure I understand and make that bridge. Thanks.

Dod Fraser

Analyst · Citigroup. Your line is now open.

Yep, very much a seasonal factor and part of our risk management framework. So we saw that softening and wanted to stay in line with our clearance targets. And so to your point, that is a short-term effect. And if you sort of roll forward the clock another month or two, November and December, is a very, like, you'll see market new listings go down 50% between October and December. And so both supply and demand shift in a significant way for November and December. People don't want to move during the holidays. So it's very much a short-term, near-term phenomenon. And I think if you look again at those charts in the back, from a price perspective, a nominal home price perspective, that continues to show stability, really in line with what we've seen in prior years.

Ygal Arounian

Analyst · Citigroup. Your line is now open.

Okay, thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Curtis Nagle with Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Curtis Nagle

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Great, thanks very much. Maybe just kind of tacking on -- and Nick's points just in terms of thinking about, I guess, the setup for ’24, so rates high, clearance rates lower, I guess, some of that seasonal. But why not kick back the buying just a little bit. So, I mean, look, things are obviously super volatile. So, maybe lower some of the inventory risk and again, just such a soft market. And then just as a follow up, could you give a little more color on the marketing spend? Sounds like that's to gear up, I think, spring selling season next year. But, yeah, more detail on that. Is that what drove the shift, I guess, into 4Q?

Dod Fraser

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Well, just on the 4Q acquisitions, what we said was they would be sort of approximately 3,000, which is flat quarter-over-quarter. I also mentioned a moment ago, 4Q acquisitions historically are some of our strongest cohorts. I think it's really important to remember that the homes that we're buying right now we’ll be selling early next year into that very positive spring selling season. So I think starting with that, I think the -- I mean, I couldn't quite tell if you're asking if we were -- if we should be decreasing or increasing. From an increasing perspective, given those lifting volumes in the market, increasing volumes is hard given what I've mentioned about just new listings being down significantly in months like November and December.

Curtis Nagle

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is now open.

It was decreasing just again on a sort of [central inventory] (ph) this question on a volatile market right, three months is a long time, that's sort of the point.

Dod Fraser

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is now open.

I think that's where if you sort of track through to the price changes you see in February and March, those are 100, 200 basis point positives. And so I think that's where we are setting our spread so that we feel comfortable we will hit those -- that annual contribution margin target that we've guided to, that 5% to 7%, so that those new acquisitions will perform in line with our targets.

Curtis Nagle

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Okay.

Carrie Wheeler

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is now open.

And Curtis, did you have a follow-on question related to marketing?

Curtis Nagle

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I did. So it sounds like marketing spend was either increasing or shifting from 3Q, to 4Q. I couldn't quite tell, because the fixed costs are going up a bit, quarter-to-quarter. So just hoping to square that and what type of marketing are we putting in the market?

Christy Schwartz

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Hi, Curtis, it's Christy. So on marketing, basically our adjusted OpEx, there's three main components, marketing, fixed cost, variable SG&A. Those are all relatively flat between Q3 and what we're guiding to for Q4. In the letter, and I think in the prepared remarks as well, I mentioned that there was some shift between 3Q and 4Q. And that's just some expenses that we expected in 3Q that are going to actually come through in 4Q. It's not specific to marketing. The other thing about the guide to the $120 million in fixed, or sorry, adjusted OpEx -- total adjusted OpEx, that's the dynamic that we've seen in the past, which is when we rebuild inventory, especially at a high rate compared to resales, holding costs that will eventually move to contribution profit when that inventory is sold through, burden adjusted OpEx as the inventory is growing. And so that's some of the uptick you're seeing in Q4. You plan to lean into paid marketing a bit starting in Q1.

Carrie Wheeler

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Yeah, I mean, just to add on to that, I mean the consistent motion for us throughout the course of the year, given what Dod said earlier about listing volumes in Q4, is that it's a relatively quiet marketing quarter for us. And we lean into more marketing spend in Q1. We expect to do so next year along with the fact that our spreads are level right now, we can make those investments in a cost-effective way. So that's a pretty natural motion for us.

Curtis Nagle

Analyst · Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Okay, thanks very much, I appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Dae Lee with JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

Dae Lee

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

Great. Thanks for taking the questions. I'm sorry if this has already been answered. On, [first one on NAR] (ph), is it right to think that if buyer agent commission changes, it'll be contribution, profit dollar neutral for you guys? And then secondly, I know you guys gave some color on your plans for early 2024. I'm just curious what kind of macro environment you guys are embedding in your plans. And if current rate environment kind of holds into 2024, do you still target achieving the stead state $10 billion revenue and net income positive sometime in 2024?

Carrie Wheeler

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

Hey, Dave. Let me get the first part on the NAR stuff and then I’ll hand over to Dod to talk about the macro and maybe Christy will follow up with breakeven, [will do a brief here] (ph). On the first part, which is the NAR part, your question was, would it be margin neutral to us if the buyer broker commission were to come down. And that's our view. Again, that's a cost item for us. It's not a revenue item. And so we think, worst case, it's neutral to us from a margin perspective. That was easier. Dod, do you want to take the macro question?

Dod Fraser

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

Yeah, Dae. I think on the -- on your macro question, I think there's a couple points, some what I mentioned a moment ago, which are from a market clearance perspective or the pace of resales, that is still above historical norms, excluding ‘21 and ‘22, which were outliers, we are still seeing very healthy pace of resales and a balance of supply and demand. I think the place that we are focused is really monitoring for supplier demand shocks that would then translate through to home price changes. We have not seen those, but one of the advantages of our business model and the ability to adjust spreads rapidly is exactly that, which is if we see a change, we can adapt quickly.

Christy Schwartz

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

And then just to close things off with A&I breakeven, our framework hasn't changed. The whole organization is focused on returning to cash flow breakeven. The timeline depends on what we're seeing in the housing market, which continues to be dynamic, and we will continue to respond to market signals, and therefore we aren't going to commit to a specific month. As a business, we're always balancing growth, margin, and risk. In 2023, we were focused on risk, which led to reduced growth, but outperformance on new book margins. In 2024, we'll continue to balance growth, margin and risk, and we will track leading real-time metrics. That said, sitting here today, we do believe that doubling volumes from here is achievable, given current spreads, our growing partnership channels, and plans for cost-effective marketing investment in the first half of 2024.

Dae Lee

Analyst · JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

Great. That all makes sense. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ryan Tomasello with KBW. You're line is now open.

Ryan Tomasello

Analyst

Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking the questions. Just to drill down again on OpEx, any chance you can just provide some absolute guardrails for the level of OpEx needed to support perhaps a wide range of purchase volume assumptions next year? I guess the $120 million in the fourth quarter, is that something -- that obviously doesn't include the marketing spend, but as you mentioned, is certainly being burdened by higher holding costs. So any just general guardrails relative to the $120 million in 4Q for what is a reasonable expectation for next year?

Christy Schwartz

Analyst

Hi, Ryan. It's Christy. Thanks for the question. You know, for A&I breakeven, we expect that to happen at $10 billion steady state revenue, meaning acquisitions are roughly equal to resales. And so at $10 billion with 4% to 5% adjusted OpEx, that's what we're marching towards. As I discussed earlier, as we're building revenue, you can have -- sorry, building inventory, you can have build-up in operating expense for the holding costs that you're incurring as your inventory is kind of outpacing your revenue. Yeah.

Dod Fraser

Analyst

I think the one other point to add on to that is if you think about our operating costs in sort of 4Q versus 3Q, taking aside those time adjustments, those are basically flat quarters. So we are, I think, trying to continue to be disciplined about cost management. And to your point, the real change will be in marketing spending.

Ryan Tomasello

Analyst

Got it. And then a follow-up, just to not belabor the point on the commission lawsuits, but in addition to the one question that Nick posed earlier, another question that we're getting is around the potential disruption to the MLS system and the impact that that could have to open, on the one hand, you could argue that a weaker value proposition to use the MLS could provide more flexibility for sellers to consider an alternative innovative model like Opendoor. And on the other, it's possible -- is it possible that a disruption to the MLS could pose a risk to any data that you rely on from those databases to power your pricing models? Obviously a dense topic, but just trying to unpack all the different moving pieces here and the puts and takes.

Dod Fraser

Analyst

Yep. So I think -- if you think about our business model, we're trying to give customers choice. We are -- and we're trying -- we're focused on giving transparency to process and letting them pick the best solution for them. And I think if you look at our NPS scores and sort of how customers have reacted to the product, they love our product. So I think we're very well positioned to continue to offer these products to customers. I think on the data side, obviously we have been building our own data store now for 10 years. And so we feel, I think, we are almost at one of the best positions to capitalize on any data components, especially [indiscernible]. So I think we are well positioned on all fronts and whatever unfolds, I do think, as Carrie mentioned, these things likely unfold slowly, but in either a slow unfolding or a fast unfolding, I think we're well positioned for it.

Ryan Tomasello

Analyst

Great. Thanks, Dod.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Jason Helfstein with Oppenheimer & Company. Your line is now open.

Chad Larkin

Analyst · Oppenheimer & Company. Your line is now open.

Hey, thanks. This is Chad on for Jason. Can you maybe help us quantify the slowdown from rates coming out of the quarter as it relates to the fourth quarter guidance? It kind of sounds like in the letter you're still confident in hitting the $10 billion run-rate target at, sometime in ‘24. So just kind of trying to understand how you ramp to kind of three times what the fourth quarter revenue is going to be. Thank you.

Carrie Wheeler

Analyst · Oppenheimer & Company. Your line is now open.

Yeah, I mean, there are a series of charts in the back of the shareholder letter, actually, if you want. You can take a look at sort of like the pace of market clearance. I think John made this comment earlier. It remains healthy by any historical measure. But, and we always know it slows seasonally in the back half of the year, but there's a little extra slowdown starting in October on the back of seeing mortgage rates spike up to 8%, maybe 10-15% worse than we anticipated. So we reacted to that. We took some moves as we outlined in shareholder letter and you're seeing that show up in our guide for Q4. I think the more important point is like where do we go from here and what does that look like for us for 2024 and are we on pace to like hit the volume targets we've been talking about, which is, how do we double? How do we go from 1,000 to kind of 2,000 plus per month? And sitting here today, there's really nothing I'm seeing that would suggest we should change course. As Dod mentioned earlier, we're looking for price stability. We've actually seen that this year. We've seen very constrained supply, people reluctant to list their homes, pretty resilient buyer demand relative to that constrained supply. And that dynamic has persisted. And we -- frankly, our forecast for [run rate] (ph), it will continue [indiscernible] for 2024. And that's a good set-up for us to value homes, be able to acquire them and then sell them against that backdrop. Second, we've got seasonality. Coming up here, we're in the sort of seasonal doldrums of residential real estate right now. Those headwinds turn into tailwinds starting the first part of next year. So…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And I'm currently showing no further questions at this time. I'd like to hand the call back over to Carrie Wheeler for closing remarks.

Carrie Wheeler

Analyst

Great. Thank you. First of all, thank you for joining us today. As we exit 2023, I just want to stand proud of the work that the Opendoor team has been doing to be just a stronger, more resilient company. The housing market for sure continues to be challenging, but I am confident the changes we've been working on this year we've implemented will benefit for years to come. Have no doubt about it, we are very focused on getting back to positive cash flow. And we're committed that we're going to manage our cost structure and our balance sheet to ensure that we get there because the option we have in front of us is massive and we're committed to delivering against it. So thank you for listening to us today and we look forward to speaking with you all next quarter.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.