Thomas Heineman
Management
Well, absolutely. That's also another great question. IND.213 showed that doubling of overall survival, we took that to the agency and what they told us is this will provide you with a special protocol assessment. For anyone who is listening, what that means is we've agreed to a protocol with the agency and they have already, because they have granted that the IND.213 de facto is one of the two required randomized studies. So, we are only one randomized study away. Now people ask me like, they are like, why would you then go and do BRACELET? And really the question for that was IND.213, we were working under the assumption that this was largely lytic. The result very strongly indicated that lysis was probably occurring, but the mechanism driving this was really a T-cell-mediated response. So the agency said, listen, you can start that Phase 3, but you're doing so at some tremendous risk. If you don't fully understand mechanisms of action, and if you don't have at least some biomarker planned that measures a T-cell response that would tell you whether or not those patients are responding. So Pfizer was looking at the end of Phase 2 minutes and the SPA and they agreed, they said, listen one of the things that we can actually look at that we're quite excited about, IND.213 was a very heavily, pre-treated patient population. Just to remind everyone, we saw about a three-week improvement medium PFS. But in that patient population, everyone had already been exposed to or had failed a taxane. Where BRACELET is a little bit different is it recapitulates what we saw in IND.213, but it does it in the group of women who are taxane-naïve. So, our hypothesis was if patients have a less damaged or a less challenged immune system. Let's keep in mind standard chemotherapies like taxanes really are detrimental to immune response, especially multiple rounds of it. Our thinking was if we moved to an earlier setting, we could actually, potentially look at whims in areas like ORR and PFS where we were seeing a hint of a signal in appreciated groups. So, we thought in a pretreated group that would expand that opportunity. Now, if that's actually the case, it's potentially very important in terms of our registration path because a PFS win would get us to a registration program much, much earlier than OS would because obviously you have to wait for that OS to mature. So what we're hoping is if we see the a positive signal in PFS, we could move to dual endpoints for the registration program that would give us a win that could potentially be as much as 18 months or later.