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Old National Bancorp (ONBPO)

Q1 2017 Earnings Call· Tue, Apr 25, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Old National Bancorp First Quarter 2017 earnings conference call. This call is being recorded and has been made accessible to the public in accordance with the SEC’s Regulation FD. The call, along with corresponding presentation slides, will be archived for 12 months on the investor relations page at oldnational.com. A replay of the call will also be available beginning at 1.00 PM Central time on April 25 through May 9. To access the replay, dial 1-855-859-2056. The conference ID code: 3913117. Those participating today will be analysts and members of the financial community. At this time all participants are in a listen only mode. Following management’s prepared remarks, we will hold a question and answer session. At this time, the call will be turned over to Lynell Walton for opening remarks. Ms. Walton?

Lynell Walton

Management

Thank you, Christine. Good morning everyone. Welcome to Old National Bancorp's conference call to discuss our first quarter 2017 earnings. Joining me today are Bob Jones, Jim Sandgren, Jim Ryan, Daryl Moore and Joan Kissel. And I would like to give a special welcome to our newest attendee, our corporate controller Mike Woods. I would like to remind you that some comments today may contain forward-looking statements that are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that could cause the company's actual future results to materially differ from those discussed. Please refer to the forward-looking statement disclosure contained on Slide 3, as well as our SEC filings, for a full discussion of the company's risk factors. In addition, certain non-GAAP financial measures will be discussed on this call, as referenced on Slide 4. Non-GAAP measures are provided to assist you in understanding Old National's results and performance trends and should not be relied upon as a financial measure of actual results. Reconciliations for such non-GAAP measures are appropriately referenced and included within the presentation. Please turn to Slide 5 where we'll begin the review of our first quarter performance. Our first quarter net income of $36 million or $0.27 per share represents 33.4% and 12.5% increases respectively over the first quarter of 2016. Contributing significantly to this year-over-year increase was the successful redeployment of the proceeds from the sale of our insurance subsidiary into the more profitable banking business with our Anchor Bank partnership. During the quarter our portfolio of commercial and commercial real estate loans grew 6.8% on an annualized basis, and as Jim Sandgren will discuss, our pipeline remains strong. Our focus on improving efficiencies was evident with our 6.9% decline in operational expenses from the fourth quarter, and we are pleased with our continued upward trend in our tangible book value which increased 9.5% from a year ago. To provide more detail, I’ll now turn the call over to Jim Sandgren.

Jim Sandgren

Management

Thank you, Lynell and good morning everyone. From a bank perspective, the first quarter saw the continuation of a very positive trend for Old National: eight consecutive quarters of steady organic loan growth. If you'll turn to Slide 7, I’ll begin by taking a closer look at loan growth for the quarter. As you can see, our $48 million in growth was once again driven by commercial lending. We saw commercial balances increase over $85 million in the quarter or 6.8% annualized, driven exclusively by growth in our commercial real estate portfolio as C&I customers paid down line balances during the quarter and new production was seasonally down. Indirect balances increased slightly at $32 million while direct consumer and residential mortgage balances dropped due to our typical first quarter seasonality. It's also worth noting that total loan growth for the quarter was impacted by the large decreased residential mortgage loans held for sale as outlined on the slide. As I mentioned during recent calls, we continued to focus intently on driving more commercial lending and we were able to execute on that strategy again in the first quarter. While some growth [ph] of our regions generated commercial growth, I’d like to draw a specific attention to the following markets that led the way: Milwaukee, Louisville, Lexington, Evansville and Grand Rapids. I think these positive results again validate our transformational growth strategy. Turning to Slide 8, I will begin by focusing on the new production graph on the left. As you can see, commercial production was basically flat compared to fourth quarter 2016, but was up nearly 45% year over year. Of the $455.5 million produced in the quarter, 63% was CRE and 37% was C&I. While C&I as a percentage of total production fell, by comparison it represented 46% of…

Jim Ryan

Management

Thank you, Jim. Starting on Slide 11, adjusted pretax pre-provision income grew by more than 24% year over year. The growth in net interest income reflects the contribution from our newly acquired markets in Wisconsin and strong underlying fundamentals in our banking business. Just as a reminder, the decline in our fee income year over year is a result of the reduction in revenue from the sale of our insurance business that occurred in the second quarter of 2016. We are pleased with our pretax pre-provision income growth as we remain focused on improving the operating leverage of the company. Moving to Slide 12, you will see the trend of our reported net interest margin in our core net interest margin. Our reported first quarter net interest margin was down 13 basis points to 3.50% as a result of lower accretion income quarter over quarter, which was consistent with our accretion forecast. Our core margin was stable at 3.10% and was in the range of the guidance we gave in our fourth quarter call. Our core margin did benefit from higher prime and LIBOR resets and loans and higher reinvestment rates in our securities portfolio during the quarter. However those benefits were offset by two fewer days in the first quarter when compared with the fourth quarter, the higher repricing of our wholesale funding and the intentional lengthening of the repricing of our wholesale funding to improve our net interest margin sensitivity to future rate increases. We expect that our core margin will be stable to slightly increasing in the second quarter depending on our mix of loans and reinvested rates for loans and securities. Shifting to Slide 13, non-interest expenses on 13 -- operational expenses as defined on the slide totaled $100.5 million in the first quarter. Operational expenses…

Daryl Moore

Management

Thank you, Jim. As we move to Slide 17, we’ve laid out for you next charge-off and provision results comparing the current quarter's net charge-offs and provision expense to both the prior quarter as well as to the first quarter of 2016. For the current quarter we recognized provision expense of $300,000 compared to provision recapture of $1.8 million last quarter and provision expense of $100,000 for the first quarter of 2016. With respect to net charge-offs, we posted net losses of $300,000 representing one basis point of average loans in the current quarter compared to no net losses last quarter and net charge offs at $1.6 million or nine basis points of average loans in the first quarter of 2016. As you remember full year 2016 provision was $1 million with net charge-offs of $3.4 million or four basis points of average loans. Our gross charge offs in the quarter were relatively controlled, we benefited greatly from recoveries of $2.9 million which were 91% of the gross charge off amount of $3.2 million. Because the ending allowance for loan losses was equal to the period beginning balance, the allowance to total end of period loan ratio remained at 55 basis points, however the allowance to non-performing loans improve from 34% to 38% in the period due to a decrease in non-performing loans which I will review shortly. As I remind you each quarter it is important remember that we also have marks on acquired loans which at the end of the current quarter totaled $117.1 million. Total allowance in loan marks to total pre-marked end of period loans stood at 180 basis points at quarter’s end. As we move to Slide 18, you can see the special mention loans showed very little change in the quarter remaining at roughly…

Bob Jones

Management

Thank you, Daryl and good morning to everyone on the line. My comments will begin on Slide 20. With a slight peek inside our boardroom as we think about the first quarter. Approximately a week to ten days before every board meeting I send a letter to our board that summarizes our financial performance for the quarter, reviews any issues that we are having and highlight significant client opportunities et cetera. The letter is intended to provide a platform to provoke additional discussion and interaction at the board meeting versus just an exercise in management presentations. This quarter in that letter I used the analogy of eating oatmeal as the headline for our financial performance. Oatmeal is not the most exciting breakfast I eat. In fact, it is rather boring. But I know it is good for me and eating it more often allows me to eat a more substantial and exciting breakfast on occasion like eggs benedict. Like that oatmeal breakfast our first quarter was for the most part boring. Absent the pre-announced chargers associated with our branch closures, there were no unusual items and we delivered on the commitments that we made you last quarter. Overall unlike eating boring oatmeal, we were very pleased with our results. We had good loan growth, we maintained our strong credit performance and our expenses were well maintained and fee income was steady. Most importantly, the platform for optimism remains in place for the future quarters driven by the continued growth in our loan pipeline, the excellent performance in our new markets and the sales opportunities in our fee based businesses and our continued focus on improving our expense base. In honesty, there were some areas that could have been better which if they would have occurred this quarter it would have…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Scott Siefers with Sandler O'Neill.

Bob Jones

Management

So you're like oatmeal, Scott, you’re just consistent every quarter –

Scott Siefers

Analyst

But perhaps not the most exciting, man. Morning guys. Few quick questions; first, the other fee line item came down kind of substantially from the fourth quarter which I think is just the delta in the anchor related recoveries. I wonder if that’s correct and then two, what would be the outlook? I know it can be extraordinarily volatile and tough to talk to –

Bob Jones

Management

Scott, that’s a great question. Thank you for asking. It is the volatility of the anchor recoveries. Let me just clarify in the preceding quarter we've talked about a number somewhere in the mid forty's range for fee income, that will be what normalized recoveries and with our fee based businesses are. Our total fee base business would be in the mid-40s range on an ongoing basis, then you get the volatility the recoveries. So and first quarter is always a little soft for us.

Jim Ryan

Management

I think you answered the question. It's just hard to predict you know what recoveries we're going to see in any given quarter but we still feel good about the year.

Scott Siefers

Analyst

So mid-40s is still here -- you know where we're starting with the softer 1Q, presumably some sort of. rebound overall so that mid forty's still kind of the number.

Bob Jones

Management

Yes.

Scott Siefers

Analyst

And then, Jim Ryan that is, would you mind going so a little more detail on the tax credit related impairments that you would expect in the fourth quarter. So I imagine the updated expense guidance that's inclusive of those impairments; is that correct? And then I guess, the other question is will those continue – will those simply be an ongoing part of the expense base, it's just that they sort of start in a material material fashion in the second half of the year. And they continue since that part of the ongoing business I guess?

Bob Jones

Management

It's definitely part of our ongoing business, we've got a group that specializes in the sense of importance. A lot of business for us, these are great community projects as we talked about gives a CRA credit and brings other loan and deposit opportunities. So I would expect this to be a continuing part of our business going forward, accounting is a little bit unique especially for these historic tax credits where they have to realize the tax benefit over the full year of the project goes into service but you don't impair right after the investments until the core of the project actually goes into service so there's a timing mismatch which is a little bit unusual versus other kinds of tax credit projects and the fact that that the expense for the investment is actually in the operating expenses where the benefits are all in the tax provisions. So it's a little bit unique, we want to highlight, this is the first year we're actually seeing any of this type of business actually projected to go into service. We want to spend a little bit of time just highlight the impact for your models.

Jim Ryan

Management

Hey Scott, if I might just add -- the tail on these projects is extremely long, just to put in perspective the one that we're getting the benefit for now, Chris Walking and I actually called on that project when we were opening a number for our Investor Day. It is a long window to get one tax credits approved and they get projects completed because these tend not to be the most beautiful buildings in the communities that we're serving. So while we're deeply committed to the business we think it makes great sense to our markets is a long track, so that's going to be lumpy; our commitment is to let you know one of the lumpiness is going to occur.

Scott Siefers

Analyst

So with the 31% FTE tax rate expectation great expectation for the the full year, with the way the accounting works so well after tax rate then step down in that three Q. At the same time that the impairments come into the income statement.

Jim Ryan

Management

No, that's kind of the average of the full year Scott. I mean you'll see a little bit of movement through out But that's really kind of the long term or – the full 20017 year impact, there will be a little bit of impact in two quarter.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Chris McGratty with KBW.

Chris McGratty

Analyst · KBW.

Good morning everyone. Thanks for taking the question. Maybe a question for Darryl, on the assisting living credit, wondering -- seems like a little bit of a larger credit for you guys. A couple questions; number one, I assume this is a self originated loan. And I am curious if there's any reserve against it currently and your outlook sound a little bit cautious which is kind of customary for your body language.

Bob Jones

Management

Yes, so Chris, this did come out of the anchor portfolio which typically had larger exposures than we would see. And so as we continue to originate up there you'll see larger exposure but this came out of that portfolio. It does carry today the full reserve in for our substandard loans, we're in the process of evaluating what we think the value is. If it deteriorates further we would look at specific impairment but it carries that pool allocation today -- and yeah, I may be a little pessimistic about this but t’s probably warranted.

Chris McGratty

Analyst · KBW.

So if I understand the accounting, you’ve got a general on it, would it just be like kind of moving it from one pocket to the other or would you actually set a time additional provision against it?

Bob Jones

Management

I would think we don't have the numbers yet but I would think the reserve that will keep against this, if it moves non-accrual will be higher than what we have N the foods today. So that makes sense to my answer your question.

Chris McGratty

Analyst · KBW.

May be, Bob, one for you; I on the efficiency goals, you talked about the 638, adjust for the quarter. Can you remind us where the board reset this for the year and kind of the moving pieces and how you hope to achieve them? Thanks.

Bob Jones

Management

So just -- our incentive comp for the short term this year really has three components: 21% is our ROTCE, 20% efficiency, then 60% our EPS targets. Chris, we've historically not been public with other than the efficiency goal tied to those incentives. And what I can assure you is that the board is deeply committed to high performance as much as we are and their goals would be at or beyond what you would expect based on your estimates. But we just -- we've never been public with those goals.

Chris McGratty

Analyst · KBW.

Just a point of kind of clarification given the movement in the tax credits to the expense line, I know you adjust for the amortization, would that be fair to assume that you would adjust for that as well?

Bob Jones

Management

Yes.

Chris McGratty

Analyst · KBW.

And then maybe the last question, Jim, for you. If we assume, you gave a color on the tax rate for the balance of the year which is helpful. For next year, how do we assume this plays out? Do we assume kind of a 31% effective and then also some impairments to the expense line or should we assume that we go back to where we were historically?

Jim Ryan

Management

We continue to originate this business, we're going to have businesses – we’re going to originate for all of 2017 and I would expect really just kind of a similar year over year change. I would not go back to the historical numbers just because we intend to be in this business and we're currently originating new product as we speak.

Chris McGratty

Analyst · KBW.

So just so I am clear, 31% effective and roughly 10 million of amortization or impairment I should say spread out or is it kind of you incurred in two quarters, I am just trying to make sure to get them all right.

Jim Ryan

Management

Yes, so if for example a project was to go into service in the first quarter, you’d really see that benefit of taxes and the benefit of – or the expense of impairment in the same quarter, it's just these projects are spread out later in the year – in the third and fourth quarters. So that impairment expense could be a little bit volatile just as those products go into service.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jon Afrstom with RBC Capital Markets.

Jon Afrstom

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Production yields, the 383 number, I know, Jim Sandgren, you talked a little bit about there was some pressure on the last quarter. But does that feel like it's sustainable-type numbers? Is there anything unusual in there?

Jim Sandgren

Management

No, nothing unusual in the quarter, I think that's probably a more normalized run rate. Obviously if we have any kind of large tax-exempt opportunities going forward, that will have maybe a similar impact. But I feel like that's a pretty good sustainable run rate.

Jon Afrstom

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Jim Ryan, it looks like -- just maybe talk to us a little bit about your asset sensitivity. I know that in the back of its presentation, it looks like you're more asset sensitive as time goes on. You maybe talk a little bit about the repricing timeline on some of your assets?

Jim Ryan

Management

Yes, good question. We do benefit in the second year of our models more than we do in the first year, just as we have an opportunity to reprice investment portfolio and other fixed rate loans. So you hit the nail on the head when you understand that pretty well. In terms of sensitivity, the other thing that I'm watching very closely is obviously our reinvestment rates. During the first quarter we had higher yields and in the second quarter came to -- first quarter came to a big end – and the second quarter began, we saw yields come in a little bit and that will also drive any benefits we're going to derive from higher interest rates. So clearly we are more asset sensitive than we were from 12/31 and that was pretty intentional as we saw an opportunity as rates pull back a little bit to lengthen some liabilities at our wholesale funding book trying to take advantage of the forward expectation for interest rates.

Jon Afrstom

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Have you guys seen anything on deposit pricing pressures that doesn't look like it but I'm just wondering if there's any concerns or reactions from clients yet?

Jim Ryan

Management

No, Jon, really not much -- we're keeping a kind of a close ear to the ground with our regions and having conversations all the time but really haven't seen much change. So we've been able to keep deposit rates as they are.

Daryl Moore

Management

Jon, our model still reflects that when rates continue to rise we will have to reprice those deposits even though we've been able to hold off on these first couple of rate increases here. So our models still reflect the full expectation that deposit rates will reprice at some point in time.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Terry McEvoy with Stephens.

Terry McEvoy

Analyst · Stephens.

Good morning everyone. First question, could you talk about the group in Madison that’s focusing on CRE and moving up market and whether any of the deals of success that they could be having showed up particularly last quarter within the annualized CRE growth that you show on page seven?

Jim Ryan

Management

Yes, this has just really been a continuation, Terry, since we announced the partnership last January. They've had growth every quarter since the announcement, so we continue to see strong growth in Wisconsin but we've had some other growth in markets like Louisville, Lexington and now into Grand Rapids. So we continue to leverage that experience and expertise throughout our footprint and keeping a close eye on commercial real estate, we're still at 189% of total capital, so we still have room to move and there are pockets of our markets where the competition is kept out, and we're seeing opportunities to be a little bit more selective around pricing and fees. So just kind of continuation I'd say certainly from the Wisconsin perspective.

Bob Jones

Management

Terry, just to remind everybody, you probably know this but our first last year in 2016 from date of closing to the end of the year we grew our loan portfolio in Wisconsin 7% which is pretty remarkable given the turmoil you go through with your clients. And it's a great reflection on the quality of the folks we have out there and the acceptance of our model in those markets.

Terry McEvoy

Analyst · Stephens.

And then as a follow up, the 15 branches recently in the consolidation five, I believe last year; could you just talk about deposit outflows versus expectations within those fifteen or twenty branches?

Bob Jones

Management

Terry, really continue to be lower than we have modelled. I think with the strong investment in our mobile and online platforms and the fact that we still have branches that are fairly close and proximity to some of those branches that have been consolidated, we continue to see a lower level of attrition in those deposits. So it's really an opportunity to reduce some cost and then reinvest some of that in technology to make sure we continue to serve our customers. So you know, 3% growth in the quarter from a deposit standpoint. It's supportive of that. I think now we're up to the metric we continue to look at is deposits per branch, I think we’re now $56 million; three or four years ago that number was closer to 25 million, 30 million. So we've made great progress and if we are selectively making the right call on these branches.

Terry McEvoy

Analyst · Stephens.

And then just last question, if you just help me out the total auto portfolio, how much did that come down in the first quarter and what's the expected run off over the next three quarters?

Bob Jones

Management

Actually that portfolio grew slightly in the first quarter. Chris has done a great job of improving pricing and reducing costs, but as you well know the demand is still there. So we're getting a better yielding product -- the portfolio actually grew; our expectation for the balance of this year is probably would be. stay stagnant, maybe slightly growth. Again just based on the volume seen just remind you we don't do forward planning and over time we want to wind through this portfolio but we did prove the profitability over the last quarter or two under Chris’s leadership.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Andy Stapp with Hilliard Lyons.

Andy Stapp

Analyst · Hilliard Lyons.

Good morning. The results impacted by the new stock based accounting standard.

Bob Jones

Management

No, they are immaterial.

Andy Stapp

Analyst · Hilliard Lyons.

How much was the large trust settlement mentioned in your prepared remarks?

Bob Jones

Management

Yeah, we prefer not to disclose that, Andy. As Jim said, it was significant enough to really change but obviously you can understand the confidential nature of that.

Andy Stapp

Analyst · Hilliard Lyons.

And a minor question, but do you have a breakout of the $1.4 million in branch consolidation expenses by line item.

Bob Jones

Management

We can get that to you. How about -- back up, we've got a five branch over the fifty branches we can get to you in -- an e-mail and we'll get it you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Peyton Green with Piper Jaffray.

Peyton Green

Analyst · Piper Jaffray.

Good morning, Bob; question for you. In terms of loan production and the loan production yield, if we think -- I mean if we look at the first quarter versus the fourth or the year ago number, the production yield was substantially higher, 383, and the new production balance was roughly stable linked quarter. And I guess, my question would be, are you expecting to work a mix change with the securities book going forward such that overall ROA might improve more than balance sheet growth? And then also, the second question would be with the loan pipeline, the proposed and accepted, does that support mid single digits loan growth going forward?

Bob Jones

Management

I can answer the second half question which is absolutely, the pipeline, as Jim said, is at a record level, even at a pull-through rate of 35% we still get to that mid level growth that you just referenced. As to your first question, I am going to let Jim Ryan address that.

Jim Ryan

Management

It's actually in the other category, at the other loss category it shows up in our income statement the other expense category is a big bulk of expenses, which were a lot of lease terminations charges, the rest of it's pretty small in the other categories.

Bob Jones

Management

Different question.

Jim Ryan

Management

Oh I am sorry.

Bob Jones

Management

You are answering Andy Stapp’s question. So Peyton, you want to repeat the question, I apologize.

Peyton Green

Analyst · Piper Jaffray.

Sure, no problem. The production yield of 383 was up versus 336 a year ago and 318 in the linked quarter, and yet the production volume was around 455, roughly flat with 459 in the fourth quarter. So my question was, if you generate the 5% loan growth, would you expect earning assets to grow by a similar amount or will you work mix change?

Jim Ryan

Management

Yes, I would expect it to grow by a similar amount. That production yield is highly dependent on that mix, tax versus tax exempt and also the fixed versus floating and so you're going to see a little bit of volatility to the extent that we have more tax exempt loans in a particular period over another. But the fact of the matter is that prime and LIBOR being higher all those are going to lead to higher production yields versus year ago numbers.

Peyton Green

Analyst · Piper Jaffray.

And then at the margin you're less likely to add indirect which is low –

Jim Ryan

Management

Absolutely. End of Q&A

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And at this time there are no further questions.

Bob Jones

Management

Well, Chris and Gabriel [ph] had enough time for breakfast, so with that we will conclude our call. If you have any follow up questions, please reach us, and thank you for your time.