Olin Corporation (OLN) Q4 2013 Earnings Report, Transcript and Summary

Good day, and welcome to the Olin Corporation Fourth Quarter 2013 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Joseph Rupp, Chairman, President and CEO of the Olin Corporation. Mr. Rupp, the floor is yours, sir.

Good morning, and thank you for joining us today. With me this morning is John Fischer, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; John McIntosh, Senior Vice President of Operations; and Larry Kromidas, our Assistant Treasurer and Director of Investor Relations. Last night, we announced that net income in the fourth quarter of 2013 was $24.7 million or $0.31 per diluted share, which compares to $34.6 million or $0.43 per diluted share in the fourth quarter of 2012. Sales in the fourth quarter of 2013 were $562 million compared to $587.6 million in the fourth quarter of 2012. During 2013, Olin achieved $424.6 million of adjusted EBITDA, which is the highest in the history of the company. The record adjusted EBITDA was driven by record results in the Winchester business, which more than offset weaker year-over-year results in our Chlor Alkali business. In addition, during 2013, we increased our cash position by $143 million and repurchased approximately 1.5 million shares of our stock. Fourth quarter 2013 results in both Chlor Alkali and Winchester exceeded our expectations as better than expected demand resulted in higher product shipments. The fourth quarter 2013 Chlor Alkali operating rate was 81%, which compares favorably to the fourth quarter 2012 operating rate of 76%. The favorable Chlor Alkali and Winchester results were partially offset by higher than expected stock-based compensation costs, reflecting a $4.6 million unfavorable mark-to-market adjustment, and higher legal and legal-related settlement costs. The fourth quarter 2013 results included $6.5 million pretax gain associated with the sale of a joint venture interest, $4 million of favorable tax adjustments and $1.4 million of pretax restructuring charges. As Olin enters 2014, we believe we can generate adjusted EBITDA in the $375 million to $425 million range. This range reflects the view consistent with prior surges at the record level of demand currently being experienced in the Winchester business will begin to moderate during the second half of the year. In the first quarter of 2014, earnings per share are forecast to be in the $0.30 to $0.35 range. Winchester first quarter 2014 segment earnings are forecast to improve when compared to the first quarter of 2013 due to improved pricing and lower costs. First quarter 2014 Chlor Alkali segment earnings are forecasted to decline compared to the first quarter of 2013, due to lower ECU netbacks, partially offset by improved volumes and lower costs. I'll discuss the businesses in more detail beginning with Chlor Alkali. The Olin operating rate in the fourth quarter of 2013 was 81%, and for the full year of 2013, the business operated at 84%. Of note, the November and December operating rates which exceeded our expectations were higher than both the September and October rates. We see continued strength in chlorine demand as we move through January and as a result, we have placed chlorine in 100% order control. During January, we've had request for chlorine deliveries that we have been unable to fulfill. The full year 2013 operating rate was consistent with the rates achieved in 2010 through 2012, based on our current capacity. Fourth quarter 2013 shipments of chlorine and caustic soda increased 2.5%, compared to the fourth quarter of 2012. And full year 2013 shipments of chlorine and caustic soda were similar to 2012 levels. During the fourth quarter, chlorine shipments to vinyls customers increased approximately 46% compared to 2012 fourth quarter levels, while chlorine shipments to urethane customers declined approximately 12% and chlorine shipments to titanium dioxide customers were unchanged. During the fourth quarter of 2013, shipments of bleach increased approximately 6% when compared to the fourth quarter of 2012 levels and represents the 24th consecutive quarterly year-over-year increases in bleach shipments. For the full year 2013, bleach shipments increased approximately 8% compared to 2012, and these shipments represented approximately 10% of our total Chlor Alkali capacity. We expect bleach shipments to continue to increase in 2014. Fourth quarter 2013 shipments of hydrochloric acid increased 15% compared to the fourth quarter of 2012. But for the full year 2013, hydrochloric acid shipments declined approximately 2% when compared to full year 2012 levels. Hydrochloric acid prices declined 31% in the fourth quarter of 2013, and 33% in the full year 2013 when compared to 2012. These price declines reduced fourth quarter 2013 Chlor Alkali segment earnings by approximately $4 million when compared to the fourth quarter of 2012 and reduced full year 2013 Chlor Alkali segment earnings by approximate $19 million compared to 2012. The hydrochloric acid prices experienced in 2012 reflected product shortages that occurred early in the year, and we believe that 2013 results are more representative of ongoing results. During 2013, in spite of the decline in prices, hydrochloric acid sales continue to command a meaningful price premium when compared to chlorine. During 2013, the volume of hydrochloric acid shipments represented approximately 7% of our total chlorine capacity, and we expect these shipments to grow in 2014. The fourth quarter 2013 operating rate was negatively impacted by planned maintenance outages at the McIntosh, Alabama facility including our SunBelt plant and also at the Becancour Canada facility. During 2013, spending on planned maintenance outages increased to approximately $9 million compared to 2012 levels. As we look forward to 2014, we expect spending on planned maintenance outages to decline and to be closer to the 2012 spending level. In addition to the higher planned maintenance outage spending in 2013 compared to 2012, the Chlor Alkali business also experienced higher electricity costs in 2013 when compared to 2012. And higher depreciation expense in 2013 versus 2012. Electricity costs per ECU produced increased approximately 6% in 2013, compared to 2012. And it was primarily driven as a result of higher natural gas costs. These increases negatively impacted the 2013 Chlor Alkali segment earnings by approximately $12 million. Depreciation expenses in 2013 increased $13.3 million compared to 2012, and that was a result of the completing and bringing into service our new membrane cell Chlor Alkali plant in Charleston, Tennessee and our 3 new HyPure Bleach plants. ECU netbacks declined in the fourth quarter of 2013 compared to the third quarter of 2013, and the fourth quarter of 2012. These declines reflect lower prices for both chlorine and caustic soda. The fourth quarter 2013 ECU netback was approximately $525, which compares to netbacks of approximately $570 in the third quarter of 2013, and approximately $580 in the fourth quarter of 2012. Chlor Alkali fourth quarter 2013 segment earnings were $30.7 million compared to fourth quarter 2012 segment earnings of $54.3 million. The year-over-year decline primarily reflects lower ECU netbacks and lower hydrochloric acid pricing. The fourth quarter 2013 Chlor Alkali segment earnings equate to quarterly segment EBITDA of $56.4 million. Full year 2013 segment earnings were $203.8 million compared to 2012 full year segment earnings of $263.2 million. The year-over-year decline primarily reflects lower ECU netbacks, lower hydrochloric acid pricing, higher electricity costs and higher maintenance costs and higher depreciation expenses. The full year 2013 Chlor Alkali segment earnings equate to full year segment EBITDA of $305.9 million. First quarter 2014 Chlor Alkali segments segment earnings are forecast to improve compared to the fourth quarter of 2013, but decline compared to the first quarter of 2013 levels. First quarter 2014 chlorine and caustic soda volumes are forecast to increase compared to the first quarter of 2013 levels. The forecasted year-over-year decline in segment earnings reflects lower ECU netbacks. At this point, we do not believe the caustic soda price increase that was announced in the market during the fourth quarter will be successful. We also did not expect to see additional declines in caustic soda prices, which are supported by spot prices that have been stable. We also believe the industry may be entering into a more typical Chlor Alkali cycle, lead by increases in chlorine demand and chlorine prices. Since 2002, Olin has experienced flat demand for chlorine and caustic soda, and our operating rates for the years, 2010 through 2013 have ranged between 83% and 85% without any breakout in demand. As I said earlier, that may be changing. Due to higher-than-expected current demand, we have recently placed our chlorine customers on order control and announced a $50 per ton chlorine price increase. Within Olin's system, depending on bleach and hydrochloric acid demand, we believe it's possible that second and third quarter operating rates could be near our capacity. And as a reminder, seasonal strength in the sale of bleach during the second and third quarter of the year can add between 4% and 6% to the quarterly operating rate. We believe that 2014 may be a transition year to the start of a new cycle with caustic soda prices below 2011 to 2012 levels and chlorine prices improving. Turn -- I'm going to turn now to Chemical Distribution. During the fourth quarter of 2013, the Chemical Distribution segment had breakeven segment earnings. This compares unfavorably to fourth quarter 2012 segment earnings of $2.6 million. Fourth quarter 2013 segment EBITDA was $3.9 million, compared to $6.4 million in the fourth quarter of 2012. Fourth quarter 2013 caustic soda volumes declined by 29%, compared to the fourth quarter of 2012. Fourth quarter 2013 bleach shipments increased slightly when compared to fourth quarter 2012. And during the fourth of 2013, the business sold quantities of Olin produced hydrochloric acid and potassium hydroxide. Year-over-year, fourth quarter 2013 caustic soda margins declined, but margins improved as the business moved through the quarter. Consistent with the view of Chlor Alkali business, we do not expect the caustic soda price increase that was announced during the fourth quarter to be successful. We expect first quarter 2014 Chemical Distribution sales and earnings to improve compared to fourth quarter of 2013. Within the Chemical Distribution business, both the fourth and first quarters are seasonally weaker for caustic soda and for bleach sales. In 2013, we were disappointed with the financial performance of the Chemical Distribution business. We experienced aggressive pricing in the caustic soda market from large global distributors, and observed some realignment of caustic soda producer and caustic soda distributer relationships. We also experienced delays in the startup of our capabilities to sell Olin produced hydrochloric acid and potassium hydroxide. Some of these delays were regulatory in nature. In 2014, significant synergies are expected to be realized from selling Olin produced bleach, hydrochloric acid and potassium hydroxide, as well as the continued integration of the Chemical Distribution and Chlor Alkali transportation and logistics capabilities. Throughout 2013, we made progress in these areas. And now Winchester. Fourth quarter 2013 commercial demand continued at levels experienced throughout 2013. And fourth quarter 2013 commercial sales increased 36% when compared to the fourth quarter of 2012. Fourth quarter 2013 commercial volumes increased across all product categories. The increase in the fourth quarter 2013 commercial sales were partially offset by lower law enforcement and military sales. The year-over-year reduction in military sales reflects the anticipated completion of 2 contracts earlier in 2013. Total fourth quarter 2013 Winchester sales increased 15% compared to the fourth quarter 2012. For the full year, 2013 commercial sales increased 40.5% compared to 2012. And full year law enforcement sales increased 21% compared to 2012. These increases were partially offset by a 21% decline in full year military sales. These changes resulted in a full year Winchester sales increase of 26% to a record level of $777.6 million. The improved year-over-year commercial volumes contributed to the significant improvement in fourth quarter 2013 Winchester segment earnings when compared to the fourth quarter of 2012. Fourth quarter 2013 Winchester segment income was $34.1 million compared to $16.5 million earned in the fourth quarter of 2012. The full year 2013 Winchester segment income of $143.2 million was a record and was more than double the previous record level of annual earnings achieved in 2009. Full year 2013 Winchester EBITDA was $158.1 million. In addition to the increased sales volumes in 2013 when compared to 2012, the division also benefited from lower commodity metal costs, lower manufacturing costs and improved product pricing in 2013. During 2013, the average purchase cost of copper declined by approximately 6%, and the average purchase price of zinc declined 8%. These declines more than offset an approximately 3% increase in the average purchase price of lead. The favorable impact of the declines in the prices of copper and zinc was amplified by an approximately 41% increase in the volume of copper purchased and approximately 52% increase in the volume of zinc purchased. The volume of lead purchased in 2013 increased approximately 25% compared to 2012. During the fourth quarter of 2013, the cost savings realized from the ongoing centerfire ammunition relocation project were approximately $4.9 million, that compares to $1.6 million in the fourth quarter of 2012. For the full year of 2013, the full year cost savings from the relocation project were $17 million, which represents a $22 million year-over-year improvement compared to 2012. During 2013, the relocation of all pistol manufacturing operations was completed, and the relocation of rifle manufacturing equipment was initiated. During 2014, we forecast the annual cost savings realized in the centerfire ammunition relocation project to increase, to $24 million to $26 million range. We continue to expect the entire relocation program to be completed by late 2015 or early 2016. We also continue to believe that the annual cost savings that can be achieved at the completion of the project is in the $35 million to $40 million range. During the fourth quarter, the commercial backlog increased by 13% compared to the level at the end of the third quarter. The December 31, commercial backlog of $497 million is the highest level since the end of June and has increased in excess of $500 million during January. By comparison, the backlog on December 31, 2012, was $138 million. Based on this level of backlog, we now believe the level of commercial demand that Winchester business experienced in 2013 will continue at least through the second quarter of 2014. Based on the level of demand, the current backlog and continuing improving cost position, we also believe that the first quarter 2014 Winchester segment income should exceed the first quarter 2013 levels. As we look at the Winchester business going forward, we continue to believe that the significant increase in gun ownership that has occurred over the last 5 years, as well as the increase of the number of people who've become regular target shooters will result in commercial ammunition demand in excess of historic levels. Based on survey data as many as 8 million new target shooters and therefore, ammunition consumers have been created in the past 5 years. The combination of this improved demand profile and the realization of $35 million to $45 million of cost savings from the centerfire relocation project, continues to make us believe that the Winchester business can, under normal conditions -- demand conditions, generate an annual EBITDA in the $100 million to $115 million range. I believe that the 2013 cash flow and adjusted EBITDA performance demonstrated the long-term potential that Olin has. Over the past several years, we have made significant investments in expanding, diversifying and improving both the chemical and ammunition businesses. In 2013, the benefits of those investments began to be realized. In 2014, we have opportunities to further expand the sales of value added products in Chlor Alkali, to make improvements and realize additional synergies from the chemical distribution business and to capture further cost savings in the Winchester business. We continue to look for ways to deploy cash flow to increase shareholder value and we will consider accretive acquisitions and investments, share repurchases and our dividend policy. As I said earlier, during 2013, we repurchased approximately 1.5 million shares, and we intend to be a consistent, steady and opportunistic buyer of our shares over time. I'd now like to turn the call over to our Chief Financial Officer, John Fischer, John will review several financial matters with you. John?

Thank you, Joe. First, I'd like to discuss the balance sheet and the fourth quarter 2013 cash flow. Cash and cash equivalents at December 31, 2013, including the restricted cash associated with the Go Zone financing that are classified as long-term assets on the balance sheet, totaled $312 million compared to $177.1 million at December 31, 2012. During 2013, working capital employed declined by approximately $30 million. The decline primarily reflects lower levels of both receivables and inventory. During the fourth quarter, Winchester was able to increase inventory but throughout 2013, Winchester inventories declined compared to December 31, 2012 levels, and remained well below December 31, 2011 levels. Inventory levels in the Chemical Distribution business also declined in both the fourth quarter 2013 and for the full year. As we look ahead to 2014, we expect that inventory levels in the Winchester and Chemical Distribution businesses will gradually be replenished. As a result, during 2014, we expect working capital to be a use of cash. Capital spending in the fourth of 2013 was $20.4 million, and for the full year 2013, was $90.8 million. Full year 2013 depreciation and amortization expense was $135.3 million. By comparison, capital spending in 2012 was $255.7 million and depreciation and amortization expense in 2012 was $110.9 million. In 2014, we are continuing to forecast that capital spending will be in the $95 million to $105 million and that depreciation and amortization expense will remain in the $135 million to $140 million range. We believe the maintenance level of capital spending to be in the $75 million to $85 billion range. During 2013, Olin repaid $23.7 million of debt that matured. During both 2014 and '15, there is $12.2 million in maturing debt and then no other debt maturities until the second quarter of 2016. Now turning to the income statement. Selling and administration expenses increased $18.3 million in the fourth quarter of 2013 compared to the fourth quarter of 2012. This year-over-year increase reflects the combination of higher legal and legal-related settlement costs of $10.5 million, and a mark-to-market adjustment on stock-based compensation of $5.7 million. The legal and legal-related settlement costs, primarily reflect legacy, environmental issues and ongoing environmental insurance recovery activities. The mark-to-market adjustment associated with stock-based compensation reflects the approximately $6 increase in the Olin share price experienced in the fourth quarter of 2013. Each $1 change in the stock price increases or decreases selling and administration expenses by approximately $750,000. In the fourth quarter 2012, by comparison, the stock price was essentially unchanged. Selling and administration expenses as a percentage of sales were 9.9% in the fourth quarter of 2013 compared to 6.4% in the fourth quarter of 2012. Full year 2013 selling and administration expenses increased $21.4 million compared to full year 2012 levels. In addition to the legal and stock-based compensation costs, the full year ownership of KA Steel increased these expenses by $7 million. Full year selling and administration expenses as a percentage of revenue in 2013 were 7.6% compared to 7.7% in 2012. Fourth quarter 2013 charges to income for environmental investigatory and remedial activities were $5.3 million compared to $1.6 million in the fourth quarter of 2012. Due to the timing of certain regulatory decisions and cleanup actions, more than 50% of the total 2013 charges to income for environmental investigatory and remedial activities were incurred in the fourth quarter. These charges relate primarily to the expected future environmental investigatory and remedial activities associated with past manufacturing operations and waste disposal sites. Full year 2013 charges to income for environmental investigatory and remedial activities were $10.2 million, which includes $1.3 million of recoveries from third parties of costs incurred and expensed in prior periods. 2014 expenses for environmental investigatory and remedial activities are currently forecast to be in the $15 million to $20 million range. We are not forecasting any recovery in 2014 of environmental investigatory and remedial costs incurred and expensed in prior periods. On a total company basis, defined benefit pension planned income was $5.2 million in the fourth quarter of 2013, and was $20.5 million for the full year 2013. We expect 2014 defined benefit pension plan income to be similar to 2013. We did not many make any cash contributions to the domestic defined benefit pension plan in 2013 and we are not required to make any cash contributions to our domestic defined benefit pension plan in 2014. During 2013, we did contribute approximately $1 million to our Canadian defined benefit pension plan and expect to make a similar cash contribution in 2014. During the fourth quarter 2013, Olin recorded a pretax restructuring charge of $1.4 million associated with the exiting -- the use of mercury cell technology in the Chlor Alkali manufacturing process and the ongoing relocation of the Winchester centerfire ammunition manufacturing operations from East Illinois to Oxford, Mississippi. We currently expect that pretax restructuring charges of $4 million to $5 million will be recorded in 2014 for these activities. The effective tax rate in the fourth quarter of 2013 was 19%, which included $4 million of favorable tax adjustments, primarily associated with the use of capital loss carry forwards on the sale of the joint venture interest. Excluding these adjustments, the effective tax rate was 32%. For the full year 2013, the cash tax rate was approximately 26%, which reflects the benefits of accelerated depreciation included in the 2010 Job's Creation Act. In 2014, we currently believe the effective tax rate will be in the 35% to 37% range. As Joe mentioned earlier, during 2013, we repurchased approximately 1.5 million shares of Olin stock at a cost of approximately $36 million. As we move into 2014, we intend to continue to repurchase shares on a steady and opportunistic basis. In 2013, Olin demonstrated the cash generation capabilities of the business and as we move into 2014, we are well positioned to continue to generate cash. We expect capital spending to remain below the level of depreciation and between now and the second quarter of 2016, we face less than $25 million of required debt repayments. In addition, we do not face any cash contributions to the large domestic defined benefit pension plan. On January 24, Olin's Board of Directors declared a dividend of $0.20 on each share of Olin common stock. The dividend is payable on March 10, 2014 to shareholders of record at the close of business on February 10, 2014. This is the 349th consecutive quarterly dividend to be paid by the company. Before we conclude, let me remind you that throughout this presentation, we have made statements regarding our estimates of future performance. Clearly, these are forward-looking statements, and results could differ materially from those projected. Some of the factors that could cause actual results to differ are described, without limitations, in the Risk Factors section of our most recent Form 10-K and in our fourth quarter earnings release. A copy of today's transcript will be available on our website in the Investors section under Calendar of Events. The earnings press release and other financial data and information are available under Press Releases. Operator, we are now ready to take questions.

[Operator Instructions] The first question we have will come from Frank Mitsch of Wells Fargo Securities.

John, I wanted to come back to the steady and opportunistic basis on the share buyback. You started in earnest -- sometime during Q1 2013, and then accelerated from that pace, all else equal, given the -- given where you started from, would it be unusual to expect that Olin buys back more stock in '14 than they did in '13?

I think that's -- and is -- I think we would be steady and opportunistic and I think what you saw in Q2, 3 and 4 is representative of what we think steady and opportunistic is.

Great. And then, you outlined some of the uses of cash, and you also mentioned M&A, what is your expectation for properties becoming available in 2014? And are you quasi confident that you'll be able to execute something in that regard?

Frank, as you know, we're constantly looking at anything and everything, primarily, downstream in bleach, hydrochloric acid, et cetera. But I would say, that there is -- probably quasi confidence that we would be able to find something that we could do, yes.

Okay, great. And obviously, Q4 had a fair amount of expenses on the legal side, and obviously, mark-to-market, what's your expectation of those expenses as we look out into 2014? I know that you gave us good guidance on the environmental provisions, but I was just curious as to those other expenses.

I think, Frank, the best way to think about it is the corporate and other line in the segment income statement, we would say that 2014, that spending should be in the $72 million to $78 million range. And that encompasses the legal costs.

Right. So a modest step down.

The next question we have comes from Christopher Butler of Sidoti & Company. Christopher W. Butler - Sidoti & Company, LLC: Could you talk to us a little bit more about the pricing environment on Chlor Alkali and as it pertains to demand, we've had a bit of an about-face here with the caustic price increase not being accepted, but now chlorine and stronger-than-expected demand. And could you tie in the outage with one of your peers and how that might be playing in?

Chris, this is John, let me speak to 2013. If you look at 2013, there was $60 worth of chlorine price increases announced and $160 of caustic price increases announced. Yet, when you look at 2013, from the perspective of how pricing indexes behaved, really, there was ground lost on both chlorine indexes and caustic indexes. So it was a year in which the industry was working hard to try to move pricing but found an environment on the demand side that just didn't create enough momentum for that to happen. As we look -- and I can only speak for what we see across our system, as we looked into the saw -- the last half of the fourth quarter and into the first quarter, we saw a pretty significant pickup in demand for chlorine products across several different sectors that we serve, notably in vinyls. And when we try to forecast what we think is going to happen with operating rates moving forward for us, we see operating rates moving higher sequentially, as we approach the peak seasons for us. We believe chlorine is going to be tight, that constituted the basis for the chlorine price increase that we announced. We put our customers on order control because, quite frankly, we don't have material, and out of some of our locations were actually late listing orders for chlorine now. So we hope that the environment we're seeing is being seen by other producers across the industry, and we hope this is a trend on the demand side for chlorine which will set the stage for chlorine pricing moving up in '14. Christopher W. Butler - Sidoti & Company, LLC: And shifting gears to the Distribution business, you had mentioned some of the capability issues on the potassium hydroxide. You said that you are expecting better things in 2014, should that -- does that imply that those difficulties, regulatory and otherwise have kind of been taken care of it at this point?

Yes, they have.

Next, we have Edward Yang of Oppenheimer. Edward H. Yang - Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division: You mentioned the stronger -- you mentioned chlorine's up in January, you had a price increase. Did any other producer follow through with the $50 chlorine price increase you announced last week?

To my knowledge, not yet to this point in time.

But that was late last week, Edward, that it was announced. So I think that's early. Edward H. Yang - Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division: And have you provided guidance on first quarter operating rates and ECU netbacks? I think John mentioned it's going to be up sequentially.

We have not, but we are seeing continued strong demand on the chlorine side, that's obviously going to drive operating rates up, but we have not provided specific guidance. Edward H. Yang - Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division: And John, when you say that you have not been able to meet some customer demand on the chlorine side. Does that mean -- I mean, effectively, an operating rate in the '90s, I mean, typically that's what I would associate with being at or near capacity.

Well that's -- that is spoken from a specific plant perspective. Across the system, we are able to -- but we have had requirements or demands or orders at certain locations that we are just unable to meet on a freight logical standpoint. Edward H. Yang - Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division: And just stepping back to look at fourth quarter ECU netback, $525, that was a bit of a larger decline than I would have anticipated, I know you were looking for -- I think closer to $20 decline, that was more than that. And if I look at industry pricing, which you typically lag by about a quarter or 2, in terms of what you pass through to your customers. Fourth quarter, you see netback for the industry was down about 5%, does that mean you expect first quarter ECU netbacks for you to be down about 5%?

We don't -- we have -- we just haven't provided any guidance on that. But let me speak to the fourth quarter change. When we looked at -- when we get our last call, talking about third quarter earnings, we were in a position where there had been a price -- there was a caustic price increase on the table and we actually believed we would see some improvement in our pricing as a result of that. What happened to us was in fact, we saw no improvement from that and index pricing for caustic went down 2 different times in the third quarter which created the environment, at least in our portfolio of contracts where we saw caustic pricing decrease in the fourth quarter. And that's the majority of what was behind the price decrease that we saw. Edward H. Yang - Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division: Okay. And on the Winchester side, I got a modified AR15 over Christmas, so I'm doing my part to support the demand there. But in terms of trying to size the magnitude of the downtrend you would see from the surge that -- this remarkable surge that you've seen, would you be able to provide any additional color in terms of what you expect to see in the second half?

I think what we would see in the second half, Edward, is that we are going to see the first half probably equal to or stronger. And I think we'll start to see the tail-off in the second half. I think what happened the last time is that our earnings were off about 10% when you compare full year to full year. Our volumes were off 10%.

Second year out from the start of the surge, the earnings were off about 10%. That was in '10 compared to '09. That's the best we can do.

The next question we have comes from Herb Hardt of Monness. Herbert A. Hardt - Monness, Crespi, Hardt & Co., Inc., Research Division: Question is regarding distribution, it's obviously, been disappointing. Could you explain in a little more detail what actually has not worked? And why it's now coming back into reality?

I think a couple of things to hit on that, Herb, #1, is that as we talked about, we didn't have equipment in place to be able to handle some of the synergy that we're looking forward, which is the distribution of our co-products, which would be KOH, HCL and bleach. So that was a bit slower than we thought. In addition to that, as we've mentioned in the comments is that there has been a fairly aggressive situation out in the marketplace that was a little bit unanticipated that I think over time will mitigate itself.

I think, Herb, I'd like to add one other thing, if you looked at Chemical Distribution, the business itself did generate a meaningful level of after-tax cash flow for us. It just didn't do it to the degree that we had hoped.

Next we have Edlain Rodriguez of UBS.

Just one quick question on the Winchester, I mean, given your view of a strong first half and moderation in the second half, do you see 2014 as normal domain conditions? Or are we still above that? And it's probably going to be 2015 where it's normal?

We are above normal conditions this year.

Not for 2014?

For 2014, we are above normal conditions.

Okay, okay, that's fine. So another question on your guidance, your EBITDA range of $375, $420. When you look at all the different segments, can you give us what you think of the split between the segments? That may comp that to $375, $420?

Well, the only thing we said, and I think we will stick with that is, when you compare it to 2013, we talked about the view that in the second half of 2014, we expected Winchester to moderate compared to 2013.

Don Carson of Susquehanna.

How much more of caustic soda did you export in the fourth quarter than in the third quarter? And was this a key driver of weak overall pricing.

We're not -- we don't normally participate in the export market, Don. So if the question is how much should we export?

Negligible amount.

Negligible.

Okay. And also in your opinion, are there -- is there any potential for incremental shutdowns coming here in the U.S., perhaps some of the units with older technology? What is your outlook for the -- given the supply side here over the next year or so?

We believe that there will be rationalization in the industry as the new capacity comes on. We have consistently said that this industry will continue to consolidate, we believe, and that capacity will continue to be rationalized.

The next question we have comes from Dmitry Silversteyn of Longbow Research.

First of all, just a bookkeeping question. What was the depreciation and amortization for Winchester in 2013?

Approximately $15 million.

Okay. That's what I thought. Can you talk a little bit about the freight rates both in terms of the fourth quarter, as well as what your outlook is for 2014. I know they've sort of stopped increasing at the pace they had -- in a previous 2 or 3 years, but I think they're still up and so what's your outlook for 2014 in terms of freight rates and in terms of input cost such as energy on year-over-year basis?

Freight costs, first, let me speak to that. Year-over-year freight costs were basically flat. We attribute that to a lot of the advocacy work that's being done by the shippers in Washington, trying to pursue more equitable treatment from the railroads in terms of freight related costs. We also believe that the chemical industry -- and we have specifically, within Olin taken competitive actions by making -- by moving product in -- by other modes as opposed to rail. And we also believe that's had an impact on freight. And we would like to believe that there's real no incentive for freight rates to return to double-digit kinds of increases that we've seen over the last 3 years and believe that the right environment is one that we saw in 2013, which is relatively flat in terms of increases. Energy cost per ECU went up 6% in 2013, across our system mostly driven by natural gas pricing. Of course, in the first quarter of '14, we have seen a further spike in natural gas prices related I think, to the withdrawal rates because of the cold weather across the country. But we don't expect for that nearly $5 natural gas price to be the norm going forward and we would expect electricity costs to not increase at a level commensurate with that. And not increase significantly over what we saw in 2013.

Okay, very good. And then just a follow-up on the sort of the pricing and demand environment, it sounds like you're seeing better chlorine demand in the PVC market. And hopefully, TiO2 market will be a little bit better in 2014 as the coating industry looks to be fairly strong in terms of the outlook for 2014. Is the increased chlorine production that you're looking to generate, particularly, in the second and third quarter, your seasonally highest quarters, is that going to be matched by improvements in demand in caustic? Or do you expect to see some pricing challenges in caustic as more of these chlorine comes to the market?

If we're right in our belief that we are seeing a more typical recovery occur with chlorine demand and chlorine pricing strength leading the economy from a period of stagnation and almost no increased demand to a period of increased demand, then we will see some pressure on caustic as chlorine prices move up, driven by higher chlorine demand. But that is a typical pattern that the industry has seen in the past. And for us, as we continued to increase the amount of bleach we produce in the peak seasons, bleaches in ECU consumer, chlorine and caustic. And that will be important to us to manage that.

Okay. And then finally, you mentioned in an answer to the previous question that you're not a participant in the export market for caustic, it is a market at least from what we're reading that is stable and growing and there's opportunities there if the pricing differences continued particularly in the energy side between the U.S., and the rest of the world. Do have plans within the company to take a closer look at the export market or are you just not set up for some particular reason to be an effective exporter?

We have capabilities to export, but because we've not historically done it, we have centered our caustic business on the North American caustic contract market. And that's what we're used to doing. We are not at all averse to participating in the export market and we do have plants that are situated in locations where exporting would be possible. If that's what makes sense for us, then that's what we would do.

Would the exporting be, to like large distributors that will move your product into the individual customers or would you have to sign-up specific customer relationships to become a bigger exporter?

We would probably look to export through distributors first, because that is a way to do it on a more moderate basis than dealing direct with export customers.

The next question we have comes from Aleksey Yefremov of Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

Question on Winchester. Are you implementing any price increases this year, maybe January 1st or later on?

There's no announced price increases at this point in time, if you recall, Alex, we announced price increases back in June. And naturally we'll continue to evaluate that as we get into the year, but there's not a January price increase in the industry announced.

Great. And then on your outlook for Winchester, for moderation in the second half, is this outlook based on prior cycles and your general experience with demand trends or is it based on something you already see in the marketplace?

It's based on history, not on what we're seeing.

Okay, so the marketplace. Basically, you seen no change in terms of demand levels, inventory levels, et cetera.

And as you -- no. And as you -- we talked about the backlog, it's a pretty strong backlog at this point.

All right, makes sense. And then -- final question on Winchester. You mentioned expected savings of $24 million to $26 million from relocation. Is it incremental to $22 million achieved in '13 or $2 million to $4 million as incremental, that we should expect?

What we said was that this cost -- the actual costs savings in Winchester in 2013 from the relocation was $16 million to $17 million, which is a $22 million improvement from '12, because we had costs in '12. The $26 million compares to the $17 million.

The next question we have comes from Jason Freuchtel of SunTrust.

As you expect the Winchester business will begin to moderate in the second half, do you expect to see any pushback from retailers in the pricing. And when there -- is there a lag, I guess typically involved in the impact that you see in the margins when you do receive some pricing pressure?

Over the long run, the price of product tends to reflect the underlying cost of the commodity metals which are copper, lead and zinc. And those prices over the last 12 months, have been relatively range bound. So absent a significant movement down in those, we would not expect to see significant price pressure, even as demand backs off.

Okay, great. And your expectation of seeing a typical chlorine demand cycle. Will the pricing pressure to the caustic have a negative impact on the distribution margins?

No, not typically.

Next we have Richard O'Reilly with Revere Associates.

I want to get back on the power course of natural gas. Can you refresh us, what's your exposure to the major power sources, water, gas, et cetera?

We haven't specifically detailed our power mix. I can say that we have a relatively equal mix of power -- a relatively balanced mix of power amongst all 4 of those fuel sources that you've mentioned and we think that's one of the strengths we have as we look at our energy input costs.

Okay. So as gas has gone up, you continued your historical advantage vis-à-vis the Gulf producers.

That's fair. That's correct.

Second question, it's a more a philosophical question on your earnings guidance, you're willing to give an EBITDA -- full year EBITDA guidance and then quarterly EPS, why not both apples-to-apples or 1 or the other?

Well, we used to just give quarterly earnings per share guidance. The first time we gave full year guidance was last year and we decided to give it on an EBITDA basis. And that's the practice we are following.

Okay, first is a full year EPS?

At this time, that's right, Richard.

At this time, we have no further questions. We will go ahead and conclude today's question-and-answer session. At this time, I would like to turn the conference back over to management for any closing remarks, gentlemen?

We'd like to thank you for joining us today, and we look forward to speaking with you in April when we announce our results of our first quarter. Thank you.

And we thank you, sir, and to the rest of management for your time today. We thank you all for attending today's presentation. At this time, you may now disconnect your lines. Thank you, and take care, everyone.