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Q4 2016 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 2, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Andrew, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the O-I Fourth Quarter Full Year 2016 Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers’ remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. David Johnson, Treasurer and VP of Investor Relations, you may begin your conference.

David Johnson

Analyst

Thank you, Andrew. Welcome, everyone, to O-I’s earnings conference call. Our discussion today will be led by Andres Lopez, our CEO; and Jan Bertsch, our Chief Financial Officer. Today, we will discuss key business developments, review financial results for 2016 and we’ll highlight our high level expectations for 2017. Following our prepared remarks, we’ll host a Q&A session. Presentation materials for this earnings call are available on the Company’s website at o-i.com. Please review the Safe Harbor comments and disclosure of our use of non-GAAP financial measures included in those materials. Unless otherwise noted, the financial results we are presenting today relate to adjusted earnings, which exclude certain items that management considers not representative of ongoing operations. A reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP earnings can be found in our earnings press release and in the Appendix to this presentation. Now, I’d like to turn the call over to Andres.

Andres Lopez

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open. George Staphos with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

Thank you, Dave. And good morning everyone. Let us start on the Slide 3, where we provide highlights for our review and outlook. I’m pleased to report that our financial results came in near the top end of our guidance range. Closing out a solid performance to what I regard as a pivotal year for O-I. This strong earnings performance enables us to deliver our cash flow target and to make significant progress on reducing debt. A global economic backdrop presented us with numerals uncertainties and challenges throughout the year. Nonetheless as a company, we remain focus on disciplined execution of the things we could control, delivering operational improvements throughout the organization that drove sustainable gains to the bottom line. Starting to 2017, we expect to leverage our global market leadership to achieve operating profit gains overcoming the continued economic headwinds and uncertainties across the globe. We continue to expect a 10% compounded annual growth rate in adjusted EPS from 2015 to 2018. Our strategic initiatives are paying off. And we continue our focus on rigorous execution for the next phase of these initiatives. In turn, adjusted free cash flow is expected to remain strong and we will use this cash to continue to de-lever our balance sheet. Turning to Slide 4, as you have heard me outline in the past, we are on a multi-year journey. As a Company, we are one team leveraging the scale of the entire enterprise and effectively executing on one plan to deliver increasing shareholder value. One team, one enterprise with one plan is about flexibility and faster response to changing conditions in order to deliver on our promises. The first horizon of our transformation was focused on stabilizing the business. That is consistent execution across our geographies and establishing how we work as…

Jan Bertsch

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open. George Staphos with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

Thank you, Andres, and good day. Let’s turn to Slide 11. O-I achieved full year adjusted earnings of $2.31 per share representing, an increase of 25% versus the prior year on a constant currency basis. For the full year, the clear drivers for earnings growth came from our strategic initiative and the acquired business. The latter benefit came with higher interest expense of course. In 2016, the net benefit of the acquired business reached the $0.30 per share that we promised. And the legacy business added to the bottom line as well. Separately corporate expenses came back in line with historical averages. The prior year was better due to substantially lower incentive accruals for management and gains on FX hedges. In all, the business improved as expected. Turning to Slide 12, cash generation remains one of our top priorities. In 2016, cash from the operations topped $750 million, substantially higher than the $612 million generated in the prior year. The key movements in working capital were as expected. We received a large VAT refund related to the acquisition and trade working capital was a modest use of funds particularly in payable. I wanted to pause for a moment to explain why we have adjusted free cash flow to exclude asbestos payment. In short, we believe this provides investors with more clarity about the cash flow generated by the business after reinvestment in CapEx. The asbestos payments are essentially relieving a legacy liability on our balance sheet. Turning to Slide 13, let me briefly compliment remarks Andres already made. On our 2017 outlook by region measured on a constant currency basis. Starting with Europe, we expect to continue under the same macroeconomic environment. So execution with rigor and discipline and elements, we can control are the key ingredients for financial performance…

Andres Lopez

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open. George Staphos with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

Thanks, Jan. Before taking your questions, I want to thank all of our employees around the world for their high level of commitment and their very positive contributions to the enterprise performance. O-I is transforming its sales by leveraging its existing and strong capabilities in a rigorous and disciplined way as well as by quickly adding capabilities not readily available internally. We are focused on improving our customers experience and giving priority to long-term neutrally beneficial partnerships. We are addressing the structural cost across the end-to-end supply chain. We are simplifying the organization across the world. And we are becoming a flexible and nimble company able to more effectively and more quickly adapt to changing conditions. We are pleased with our progress and our confident our plans will continue to build shareholder value in 2017. And now, we will open the lines for your questions.

Operator

Operator

At this time, we will be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of George Staphos with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open. George Staphos with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open.

George Staphos

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open. George Staphos with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

I’m on the line. Hello?

Andres Lopez

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open. George Staphos with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

Hi, George.

Jan Bertsch

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open. George Staphos with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

Good morning, George.

George Staphos

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open. George Staphos with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

Hi, I’m not sure if – not sure why you could not hear me. The question, if you can hear me, is on Europe. First of all, on your European pricing, do you expect that by the second quarter you will have caught up with inflation? If you can provide some color around the construct for pricing this year. And the related point, were you expecting that energy credit to show up in the fourth quarter in Europe? Thank you, guys.

Andres Lopez

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open. George Staphos with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

So George, let me just touch on pricing and then Jan can thoughts on the energy credit. So when we look at the pricing in Europe we’re seeing a more constructive environment this time. And we are actively engaged in Q1 in the negotiations that then will be reflected in our financial performance starting in Q2. As you know, we have around 35% of our business in Europe under contract. So our pass-through provisions will take some of the deflation that we experienced in 2016 into 2017. So that’s kind of the environment we’re facing in Europe in price. Jan?

Jan Bertsch

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open. George Staphos with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

On the energy credit side, George, we have of course had been expecting that for a long time and I think in the beginning of the year we were indicating, we thought it might be somewhere around $8 million. But we had not included it in our forecast because we never saw visibility on when that would come. It was very late in the year that we were notice that we should receive it. But there was no timing associated with that. So we weren’t certain if it would actually be received in 2016 or not. So it came very late in the year. Despite that I think, we had been guiding to within the range consistently throughout the year. We saw a strong performance by Europe not including that energy credit. So I think just enhanced the quarter a little bit in the end.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Lars Kjellberg with Credit Suisse. You’re line is open.

Lars Kjellberg

Analyst · Lars Kjellberg with Credit Suisse

Yes. Good morning.

Andres Lopez

Analyst · Lars Kjellberg with Credit Suisse

Good morning.

Lars Kjellberg

Analyst · Lars Kjellberg with Credit Suisse

If you can refer to Page 5, you – obviously, you have delivered solidly in terms of absolute EBIT, but you are somewhat behind your targets. I gather, you’ve got about 78 basis points out of the 100 that you had expected from these operational things. So when you look into next year, should we not expect a meaningfully higher than a 40 BPS margin expansion? You indicate on the call that it will be higher, but is there a meaningful catch up between $25 million, $30 million? And also, if you can allude to your actual margin expansion when the 20 BPS versus 80 from 70, 80 from your programs on the – what was the source of that incremental margin expansion?

Jan Bertsch

Analyst · Lars Kjellberg with Credit Suisse

Okay, Lars. Hi, this is Jan.

Lars Kjellberg

Analyst · Lars Kjellberg with Credit Suisse

Hi, Jan.

Jan Bertsch

Analyst · Lars Kjellberg with Credit Suisse

So first of all, let me just talk about the performance in 2016. On a total corporate basis, we did exceed our expectation of 100 basis points through the entire company. Now that didn’t necessarily come exactly as planned by region, because we can’t foresee all the things that come our way throughout the year, while we set up these targets at the beginning of the year. But as a total company, we exceeded those targets. We had indicated in Investor Day that we thought we would get about another 40 basis points of improvement year-over-year. We’re solidly seeing that for 2017 that 40 basis points. And remember that’s incremental over the 100 basis point that we already – 120 basis points that we already achieved last year. And while we’re tracking and we’ll be reporting out on the total systems cost as the year goes on that helps the company because as we look at the total end-to-end supply chain that incorporate so much of our business. And there’s always trade-offs and collaboration going on between the areas and between the regions related to how we achieve those benefits. So we think that’s a better way to track these costs going on. And I think the 40 basis points that we’ve signed up for 2017 is clearly achievable.

Andres Lopez

Analyst · Lars Kjellberg with Credit Suisse

I will add that we’re very pleased with the evolution of these initiatives in 2016. We were able to meet our financial commitments and we were able to do very positive trade-offs that we need to have in the business. For example flexibility is important, we mentioned these all along. We got increased flexibility, which is going to drive down the manufacturing productivity index. But it’s going to increase our ability to serve our customers, it is going to increase our ability to reuse inventories and that’s all very positive. So I will say performance was very good, financial performance was achieved and the right trade-offs were played during the year.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Mark Wilde with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Mark Wilde

Analyst · Mark Wilde with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open

Yes, good morning.

Andres Lopez

Analyst · Mark Wilde with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open

Good morning.

Jan Bertsch

Analyst · Mark Wilde with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open

Good morning.

Mark Wilde

Analyst · Mark Wilde with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open

I wondered if we can just talk a little bit more about the price cost. You pointed to that being a drag in both Europe and in Latin America in 2017. I wondered if it is possible to just quantify that in both regions? And also I think, if I heard you correctly, I think you suggested that maybe that price cost pressure would increase in the second quarter in Europe as some of these contract deflators roll in?

Andres Lopez

Analyst · Mark Wilde with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open

Okay, let me just cover some comments. And then I’ll hand the call over to Jan. So it is always challenging when we coming to – from a year of low inflation into a year of high inflation. Now we experience these in the past two. Now our inflation this year is largely driven by FX impact on input costs. That’s what’s driving the inflation primarily as well as the negative spread. Now this impact is primarily in Latin America and within Latin America is in Mexico. So we expect overall that our prices will recover inflation with exception on latest FX impact which we won’t be able to recover. We’re seeing a more constructive environment for price in Europe and the price adjustment formulas are kicking in from the beginning of the year. While we’re saying it will kick in its starting the second quarter is the product of our negotiations for all the business that is on annual contracts. We have these pass-through provisions – in a large portion of our business for North America is 95% of our business, for Europe is 35%, for Latin America is 40% and APAC is around 50%. So all-in-all, we expect that we’ll be having unfavorable spread but that’s driven primarily by FX impact on input. Jan?

Jan Bertsch

Analyst · Mark Wilde with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open

I think the only thing I’d like to add to that really is that, as you recall in 2016, we were focused on setting up our global supply chain organization. And in 2017 now they’re up and running. And they really have the opportunity now to solidly focus on this challenge. If they have more visibility, transparency, I think we have more opportunity to make headway on these kinds of things as we look globally across the organization.

Andres Lopez

Analyst · Mark Wilde with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open

Yes, and the Latin America region is the one with the most pressure and they normally perform quite well recording inflation. So I would expect that as we go into the year we might be able to see an improvement in our position coming from that region.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Anthony Pettinari with Citigroup. Your line is open.

Anthony Pettinari

Analyst · Anthony Pettinari with Citigroup. Your line is open

Good morning.

Andres Lopez

Analyst · Anthony Pettinari with Citigroup. Your line is open

Good morning.

Anthony Pettinari

Analyst · Anthony Pettinari with Citigroup. Your line is open

With the new administration, there’s been, obviously, a lot of talk about border adjustment tax, and I’m just wondering is this something that’s been the focus of discussions with customers in terms of contingency planning and impact to the business. And then when we think about Vitro and Constellation all together, is it possible to say what percentage of sales or volumes are produced and consumed in Mexico versus produced in Mexico and consumed in the United States?

Andres Lopez

Analyst · Anthony Pettinari with Citigroup. Your line is open

Okay, so the first thing is we are in constant contact with our customers. And we haven’t seen any change in plans from them up to this point. Now it’s not clear yet what the changes are going to be and when those changes will take place if they do. Now, as a consequence of that it’s very early to defined consequences. Now, nevertheless I can offer a couple of comments. In the worst case scenario, the percentage of the O-I total business that could be potentially and eventually affected, will be in the low single-digit. And that wouldn’t happen overnight. I would compare any impact of that to any financial impact we’ve seen in the past when macros move up or down in any given region, so we wouldn’t expect anything major beyond what we normally have to deal with in any given year. Now, important consideration, the consumption of food and beverage business – excuse me, products in the U.S. will be the same. And if that consumption is not served by imported products, they’ve got to be served by local production, and we are very well-positioned within the U.S. to produce and deliver product to our customers. I would expect that also that any potential impact of any adjustment in tariffs will be absorbed somehow across the value chain including consumers. So the impact should be minimised by player in that value chain. And finally, I think it’s important to consider that every year one million tons of empty glass are imported into the U.S.; and if the borders are restricted, somebody’s got to produce those containers within the U.S. and we are again very well-positioned for that. So Jan, would you have anything to add to that?

Jan Bertsch

Analyst · Anthony Pettinari with Citigroup. Your line is open

I guess I would add that as Andres mentioned the impact to us from a volume reduction standpoint is very small and it certainly won’t happen overnight. But one thing, I think, that everyone has to recognize is that we have dealt with volatility before. In O-I Mexico we’ll work very hard to find offset domestically if that’s the case. We’ve dealt with FX issues, we’ve dealt with strikes, we’ve dealt with political uncertainty, and unrest and economic uncertainty around the world. And I think 2016 is a huge tribute to that. So I’m certain that we will find offsets to this as well.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Debbie Jones with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Debbie Jones

Analyst · Debbie Jones with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Hi good morning.

Andres Lopez

Analyst · Debbie Jones with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Good morning.

Debbie Jones

Analyst · Debbie Jones with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

I was wondering if we could talk about the free cash flow guidance, specifically on working cap. Could you just give us kind of order of magnitude, what’s driving that? And on the inventory reduction efforts, what regions that might impact the most? And if you could just focus a little bit more on the incremental CapEx spend by region as well.

Jan Bertsch

Analyst · Debbie Jones with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Okay, hi Debbi. Let me walk through the working capital for you. As I did in my message, we do expect solid EBITDA growth in 2017. We expect working capital improvements too. And I would assume most of that working capital improvement is going to be coming from inventories. Inventories are probably going to be most impacted in Europe and Asia Pacific. I believe – so that’s where we’ll see the most benefit of that $50 million. CapEx, we expect to be up year-over-year as well. Now we do have one incremental furnace rebuild plant for 2017. So that is a big piece of it. And Andres mentioned about how critical it is to continue to build flexibility into our processes. So we’ll be investing in areas where we can continue to make progress there. And both of those – of course they are good for the long-term performance of O-I.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Ghansham Panjabi with R.W. Baird. Your line is open.

Ghansham Panjabi

Analyst · Ghansham Panjabi with R.W. Baird. Your line is open

Hey guys, good morning. I guess going back to George Staphos’ question on Europe and inflation. It looks like Europe is having a cold winter and power prices have surged. So first off, do expect any incremental cost on the energy basket for Europe specifically, net of your current hedges? Second, can you sort of size the Netherlands plant shutdown for us from a production standpoint? And also, how much excess capacity do you estimate in the region for the European glass container industry as a whole at current? Thanks.

Andres Lopez

Analyst · Ghansham Panjabi with R.W. Baird. Your line is open

So, just talking about the shutdown of the factory in Europe, we’re taking this action with two primary objectives. The first one is cost reduction by producing our product in more cost effective locations going forward and then balancing demand and capacity in O-I Europe. We’re taking a special care as we do this on transferring the production for our existing customers to alternative locations. And that’s also part of the reason why this is going to take place primarily at the end of the year. Now we’re shutting down – I will say probably 30% of the existing excess of capacity in the total region. That’s what these capacity would equate to as we implement this shutdown.

Jan Bertsch

Analyst · Ghansham Panjabi with R.W. Baird. Your line is open

And you also asked a question related to the energy. And certainly energy prices are going up, but it’s our practice to typically to hedge those costs. So there’s not too much energy impact on that front in 2017, a large portion of that has been hedged.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Scott Gaffner with Barclays. Your line is open.

Scott Gaffner

Analyst · Scott Gaffner with Barclays. Your line is open

Thanks, good morning.

Andres Lopez

Analyst · Scott Gaffner with Barclays. Your line is open

Good morning.

Jan Bertsch

Analyst · Scott Gaffner with Barclays. Your line is open

Good morning.

Scott Gaffner

Analyst · Scott Gaffner with Barclays. Your line is open

Andres, I just want to go back to Slide 5 again in the 2016 operations dashboard you put out there. Because you did fall relatively short of the expectations for the year from on those – on three of the four metrics there, but yet as you mentioned you did meet your financial commitments. So I just wanted to one – sort of find out what went wrong that that led to the shortfall there? And secondly, obviously the correlation between the financial commitments and these targets is not at a 100%. So maybe these are the wrong metrics or maybe there was just some disconnect in 2016. But can you talk about how you regain that footing in 2017 on these targets?

Andres Lopez

Analyst · Scott Gaffner with Barclays. Your line is open

Okay. So as I said before we’re very pleased with the performance we get nothing really went wrong. This is about trade-off. So for us to increase flexibility to support the top line and our customers on the top line is paramount. That’s a very important aspect of our business and we did so. Flexibility also supports reusing inventories and there is a significant free cash flow. We can’t get out of reusing inventories or time. So we supported that flexibility increase along the year. What was very important for us was to get the increased output out of our assets to able to match the incremental saves and we were able to do that. So what we needed to achieve, for example coming out of the manufacturing productivity index we got. And at the same time we were able to deal with service, customer service inventories and the free cash flow we need to generate. As to the stabilities improving, we continue to invest in a very discipline way in our assets and this is going to continue to improve our performance down the road. When you talk about correlation, while this slope of improvement is smaller, I think the contribution for this is higher. And that’s why we’re getting the same amount of dollars we were expecting. So I think we are seeing the evolution we want. This is the first time we’re measuring this way and I think that contribution of that is it drove discipline and execution within the company. But it also gave us the chance to show all of you that the areas in which we were focusing on and also give you a good idea of how rigorous we are in this process and how discipline we are as we execute.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from line of Philip Ng with Jefferies. Your line is open.

Philip Ng

Analyst · Philip Ng with Jefferies. Your line is open

Hey, guys. Understanding any border tax impact would be very small from a sales standpoint; but, Andres, I think part of your initiative to integrate your business and supply chain across the Americas, would that have any impact on your ability to kind of integrate your global supply chain system? And the one million tons or so you said you called out that the industry exports from Mexico to U.S., is that mostly products packaging in Mexico, or are you shipping empty bottles into the U.S.? Thanks.

Andres Lopez

Analyst · Philip Ng with Jefferies. Your line is open

Okay. So the one million tons is global supply. So you will find a portion of them coming from China and from abroad. So it’s not only Mexico. Mexico would be just a portion of that. Now as I said before it’s not clear yet what changes are going to take place and when and what’s going to be the actual impact of that. I would expect that supply got to happen because consumption won’t go down. So somebody’s got to supply that. My expectation is that the value chain, the players in the value chain ultimately will share the impact of this and ultimate impact on volume might be minimized. So again this is all to be analyzed as more information is available. But at this point in time as we talk with our customers, we have no reason to project a change in position versus what we’re giving to you today.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Tyler Langton with JPMorgan. Your line is open.

Tyler Langton

Analyst · Tyler Langton with JPMorgan. Your line is open

Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Just on the CBI joint venture, I think when you originally announced the deal, you talked about it growing to I think $0.15 of contribution over I think a four-year period. So I just wanted to see if that was still something that was – if that was achievable. And then just in terms of your guidance for flat sale volumes in North America for 2017, does that include the contribution of the JV, or does it exclude it?

Andres Lopez

Analyst · Tyler Langton with JPMorgan. Your line is open

So let me just start by saying that that excludes the contribution of the JV volume-wise. So we’re not including the volume in North America. Jan, would you have any comment?

Jan Bertsch

Analyst · Tyler Langton with JPMorgan. Your line is open

Yes. As far as the EPS in 2016 about $0.05 was attributable equity earrings to CBI. 2017 will be about a dime. And we’re on track for 2018 as we continue to ramp and to be at about $0.15 per share.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Chip Dillon with Vertical Research. Your line is open.

Chip Dillon

Analyst · Chip Dillon with Vertical Research. Your line is open

Yes, good morning.

Andres Lopez

Analyst · Chip Dillon with Vertical Research. Your line is open

Good morning.

Chip Dillon

Analyst · Chip Dillon with Vertical Research. Your line is open

Just two questions, one clarification. You mentioned that the CBI’s a joint venture I guess contributed $0.05 in 2016, and you said an incremental $0.05 in 2017. I assume that means $0.10. I just want to be sure you didn’t mean a flat number. And then secondly, Jan, could you update us on the sensitivity? I know you did a bond deal in the fourth quarter, I believe, but just sort of the updated sensitivity to changes in short-term interest rates on your balance sheet?

Jan Bertsch

Analyst · Chip Dillon with Vertical Research. Your line is open

Sure. So let me clarify CBI. It was a nickel of earnings in 2015 and it will raise to a dime in 2017. So an incremental nickel. And it will now be reported beginning in 2017 in the North America business region. On sensitivities and interest rates, we have a little less than $2 billion of floating rate debt now after we did our euro bond deal in the fourth quarter that swapped floating rate debt to fixed rate. About $1.4 billion or so of that is in the U.S. So from a sensitivity analysis I think if we had a 25 basis point increase on the $2 billion of debt that’s floating. It would equate to about $5 million on a full year basis.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Arun Viswanathan with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Arun Viswanathan

Analyst · Arun Viswanathan with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open

Great, thank you. I guess I just had a question on Europe. It looks like Q4 was pretty strong. Q3 was a little bit light, so was that a catch-up there? And then similarly, for Lat-Am, it looks like the volume read-through from Q4 to Q1 indicates that there’s potential decline in Q1. Maybe you can just touch on your sensitivities in both Europe and Latin America or your outlook? Thanks.

Andres Lopez

Analyst · Arun Viswanathan with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open

So let me start with Q4, it was a quite a strong quarter we were 3% or prior in that quarter. As we go into Q1 we will experience flat to a slightly up volume that’s what we expect. For the year in total, we don’t expect a deterioration. We should be flat to a slightly up. So in a market that is totally flat, we’re seeing a very good response in the market from our customers overall and I think that materialized in the Q4 and that’s why we see the strong volume performance in the region.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Brian Maguire with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Brian Maguire

Analyst · Brian Maguire with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Yes. Thanks for taking my question. Jan, I think you mentioned that the CBI JV contributed about a dime to earnings in 2017 moving from corporate to North America. I guess that’s about $20 million of EBIT. Obviously, not having sales against that, that’ll boost the margin in North America quite a bit. Just wondering on the guidance and the outlook, if we could get a view on what North American margin might look like year-on-year in 2017 without that accounting impact just on a more apples to apples basis.

Jan Bertsch

Analyst · Brian Maguire with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open

Yes. So we expect maybe about $15 million to $16 million of EBIT, which is generating that $0.10. And you’re right, I mean the margin is going to increase more in 2017 because that there was our equity earnings coming through. So that will explain why North Americas margin will jump up more than we would typically expect. But even in Investor Day, we expected a small North America improvement in their margin and we’ll continue to expect the small margin improvement without taking that into consideration.

Operator

Operator

Our last question comes from the line of George Staphos with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open.

George Staphos

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

Hi. Thanks for taking my follow-on. I wanted to come back to the question on asbestos and philosophy there. Andres and Jan, to extract it from operating free cash flow and ultimately that’s for all of us to determine and handle as we would as well. That would suggest that from your discussions and analyses with your consultants, accountants, et cetera, that you really feel comfortable as a management team that asbestos liability, as you have it pegged, is, in fact, the appropriate valuation because otherwise we should continue to capitalize and taking it out of free cash flow. Can you comment as to why you feel comfortable that valuation on asbestos is, in fact, correctly pegged? Any color would be helpful. Thank you, guys and good luck in the quarter.

Jan Bertsch

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

Thank you, George. Yes, we’ve had this liability on our books for a long time. Since we have restated our earnings in our books last year, we’ve done a lot of analysis course related to this. And we have a long trend of history on our claims on the age of our claimants, on our payments. So we feel – and so we have a very appropriate valuation on the books. We will continue, of course, to look at this on an annual basis like we would for any larger accrual that we have, what we’ve done in depth detail on this, and believe that it is appropriately disclosed.

Andres Lopez

Analyst · Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open

So thank you everyone. That concludes our earnings conference call. Please note that our first quarter conference call is currently scheduled for April 25. Remember folks that packaging matters, go fresh, go pure, go glass. Have a good day.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today’s conference call. You may now disconnect.