Matthew Walsh
Analyst · the Bank of America.
Thanks, Jason. Let me take the first question, which is really around what's happening with the HUMIRA biosimilar kind of event or HUMIRA LOE event. Yes, I mean you said it right in the sense that Sandoz was able to acquire the CVS business and then Teva has announced something recently. And of course, Optum, we've got more than 50% access already in the Optum business as we speak today. And I do think that our strategy is resonating with our providers, which is, again, I'll reinforce. We do have, obviously, penetration into the Optum world in regards to a large PBM, but we also have really good pickup state-by-state level, whether you're talking about the VAs at various levels that we're talking about Blue Cross Blue Shield in various states, certain systems.
And I think those are probably more resilient, more sticky business over the long term is that if you look at it as more kind of diversified the more diversified you are in the biosimilar business, the more you can retain share as it gets more competitive over time. And I still do hold the fact that I think in '25 -- '24 as the year progresses, you'll see better overall penetration into that world. But '25 will definitely open up for us in terms of what we expect to do with HADLIMA.
Turning to your question about NEXPLANON. I don't foresee any market erosion for the ex-U.S. business. Look, 70% of our business is in the U.S. That's where everybody is going to be looking forward to try to penetrate first. And I think after that, you would get into the much, let's just say, less attractive pricing environment in ex-U.S., whether it's the access markets in the emerging markets or whether it's in Europe, I think that it's just too fragmented and too difficult to penetrate, unless you've got essentially the breadth of being able to get into the U.S. And I don't think, as I've mentioned earlier in my prepared remarks, I clearly think there's a lot of fact out there.
This is not just suppositions, a lot of fact that would lead one to believe that this is a 2030 event. Our applicator alone globally has patent protection until 2030, and somebody would have to develop their own applicator, which in itself is not as easy as you may think because you've got to do studies around safety, around efficacy of the applicator device alone before you can actually show anything else in regards to the [ rod ] itself. So I think this is a 2030 event globally and beyond.