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OGE Energy Corp. (OGE)

Q2 2023 Earnings Call· Wed, Aug 9, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Good day and welcome to the Q2 2023 OGE Energy Corp Earnings Conference Call [Operator Instructions]. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Mr. Jason Bailey, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Jason Bailey

Analyst

Thank you, Sherry and good morning, everyone. And welcome to OGE Energy Corp. Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. With me today, I have Sean Trauschke, our Chairman, President and CEO; and Bryan Buckler, our CFO. In terms of the call today, we will first hear from Sean, followed by an explanation from Bryan of financial results. And finally, as always, we will answer your questions. I'd like to remind you that this conference is being webcast and you may follow along at oge.com. In addition, the conference call and accompanying slides will be archived following the call on that same website. Before we begin the presentation, I'd like to direct your attention to the safe harbor statement regarding forward-looking statements. This is an SEC requirement for financial statements and simply states that we cannot guarantee forward-looking financial results but this is our best estimate to date. I will now turn the call over to Sean for his opening remarks. Sean?

Sean Trauschke

Analyst

Thank you, Jason. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us on today's call. It's certainly great to be with all of you. Earlier this morning, we reported second quarter consolidated earnings of $0.44 per share, including $0.46 from the electric company and a $0.02 loss from the holding company. To begin, we've never been in a better position to meet our customers' needs and grow our company into the future. We're on target for 2023, and I'm very bullish on what the future holds for OG&E. Since 2015, we've delivered on our commitments to grow the utility. We've increased the utility EPS by 51%, and we've more than replaced the earnings contribution from the midstream segment over that period. We continue to grow earnings as we execute on our long-term plan that offers a long runway of diverse investment opportunities to help us reach our North Star, delivering reliable, affordable, and safe electricity to the nearly 900,000 customers each and every day. Overall, the second quarter was very productive and included the following. Filing for our new generation approval with the Oklahoma Corporation Commission, we requested approval of two new combustion turbine units at our Horseshoe Lake power plant. These units would replace two of the oldest units in our fleet, having served our customers for more than 60 years. We've also filed in Arkansas for approval to begin constructions on these two units. These units are a great first step in meeting the future generation capacity needs of our company. We have now submitted four IIJA applications to the Department of Energy and believe our proposed projects are very strong, benefiting our customers and communities alike. We should receive word on these applications later this year, and we will continue to pursue additional opportunities through the IIJA…

Bryan Buckler

Analyst

Thank you, Sean. Thank you, Jason, and good morning, everyone. Let's start on slide 8 and discuss second quarter 2023 results. On a consolidated basis, second quarter net income was $88 million or $0.44 per diluted share, compared to $73 million or $0.36 per share in the same period 2022. Earnings for the second quarter of last year included a loss of $0.09 per share from natural gas midstream operations, which we fully exited in 2022 through the sale of our energy transfer units. OG&E's core utility operations performed well during the quarter. The electric company achieved net income of $92 million or $0.46 per diluted share in the second quarter, compared to $101 million or $0.50 per share in the same period 2022. Weather negatively impacted second quarter year-over-year results by approximately $0.07 per share, primarily due to fewer cooling degree days. As expected, current quarter results also reflect increased depreciation and interest expense related to our capital investments made over the past year, as well as higher O&M, mostly reflecting the timing of operational activities. Our results benefited from continued strong retail load growth, as well as rate adjustments related to recovery of our capital investments in Oklahoma and Arkansas. Year-to-date results through June at the electric company were $0.66 per diluted share and continue to track on plan for the full year. Other operations, including our holding company, reported a loss of $4 million or $0.02 per diluted share in the second quarter, compared to a loss of $9 million or $0.05 per share in the same period 2022. Current year results have come in within our forecasts, while the prior year results included a tax expense adjustment related to the midstream business that we exited in 2022. Turning to electricity uses factors on slide 9, OG&E…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question will come from the line of Shahriar Pourreza with Guggenheim Partners. Your line is open.

Constantine Lednev

Analyst

Hi. Good morning, team. It's actually Constantine here for Shahriar. Thanks for taking the question.

Sean Trauschke

Analyst

Hey good morning, Constantine. We're glad you're here. We suspected when she said Shah we were going to have you, so glad you're here.

Constantine Lednev

Analyst

Thanks. So your CapEx year-to-date is tracking well relative to the original plan 580 versus 450 last year. Can you comment on some of the drivers there, and how does that impact your annual CapEx run rate going forward, and does it require any adjustments in terms of regulatory mechanisms for timely recovery or anything beyond the rate case and so forth?

Sean Trauschke

Analyst

Yes, so great question, Constantine. I think the way to think about that is, what is fueling our growth is really this load growth and this economic growth that we're seeing. And, as we've said before, it's difficult sometimes to really forecast exactly when some of these new projects are coming into service and when they're going to come online, and so it's not necessarily a linear investment. But, I think that speaks to the health and vibrancy of the economy, that we're seeing more load growth come through, and we're making those investments. And like we said in Oklahoma, we're going to file at the end of the year. That case is not going to be a large case. It's going to pick up our investments since the end of the first quarter of 2022. So, that just speaks to our strategy in terms of staying current with our regulatory filings and smoothing out. We hear that from our customers. We want to make sure impacts to customers are smooth. So, I don't foresee any changes in our regulatory timing or strategy or anything like that either. We're on plan.

Constantine Lednev

Analyst

In terms of regulatory activity, do you have any specific views on the recent PBR transmission ROFR [Ph] docket that was opened in Oklahoma?

Sean Trauschke

Analyst

Yes, I'm very supportive of it. I think it's -- it's it shows great leadership by the Commission. We think it's good policy and we're going to be very involved in that docket and that's one of the things that we've heard from a number of our customers that they like the consistency of what their bills are going to look like and this would be one way to achieve that. So we think it's a positive move and good policy and I'm encouraged by the action.

Constantine Lednev

Analyst

Great. And last quick one. The slides were showing some continued kind of normalized load growth and but industrial sales are down a bit and we've seen that some moderation across the U.S. more broadly. What are you seeing in terms of sales mix going forward and especially as we look at load growth and rolling into 2024, kind of how does that roll into the prior five to seven guidance?

Sean Trauschke

Analyst

Yes, well Bryan you want to take that one?

Bryan Buckler

Analyst

Sure, sure. Good morning Constantine. We're really proud of the load results that we're seeing year-to-date. Our two largest customer groups, residential and commercial, are doing great and you know with respect to industrial and public authority and some of those other classes, the pipeline of our expansion, customer expansions and new customer entrance into our service territory and speaking with our business development teams, that pipeline is as good as it's ever been. So what does that mean for 2024 and beyond? I feel I'm feeling more and more confident in 2024. You're going to again see us be able to beat 1%, our historical load growth rate and so I'm really bullish on 2024 and 2025 and beyond. We continue to forecast and plan conservatively with that 1% assumption but there's clearly some great tailwinds when it comes to load growth for us.

Operator

Operator

And one moment for our next question. That will come from the line of Paul Zimbardo with Bank of America. Your line is open.

Paul Zimbardo

Analyst

Hi, good morning team. Thank you.

Sean Trauschke

Analyst

Hey, good morning Paul.

Paul Zimbardo

Analyst

Yes, good morning and I was hoping you could give a little bit more color and detail on the new disclosure around the EPA potential compliance costs around Good Neighbor, the 2.7 billion, just if you I know you said 100 million to 300 [Ph] million potentially in 12 months to 18 months after implementation, but if you could kind of break out how much is that capital and if you could avoid some of that with running the plants differently, just any additional disclosures would be helpful.

Sean Trauschke

Analyst

Yes and so first thing I would say, just last week we were granted a stay from the 10th Circuit with respect to Casper. So the federal implementation plan is not in effect for us. But that being said, that is primarily all capital. I mean obviously there will be some things that you would look at to, change the operations and the dispatch of certain units, but primarily that's capital.

Paul Zimbardo

Analyst

Okay and is there any sense on potential timing? I know we're kind of caught in the courts right now, but wouldn't you need to start making some of those investments?

Sean Trauschke

Analyst

Well, it's not effective for us. So we have the stay from the 10th Circuit, so we are not proceeding down that path. So that'll make its way through the courts and but as part of our overall planning, I mean that's just prudent planning to begin with and we've experienced this round of regulations previously and we plan accordingly and we'll make our decisions with that in mind and not just Casper, but you have greenhouse gas rules that have come out and you have mats and regional haze. So you need to look at it in total and we'll, when we need to comply, we will comply. But nothing is imminent.

Paul Zimbardo

Analyst

Okay. Understood. Thank you. And then switching gears a little bit, I know in the past you gave some details around expected holding company issuances to finance the rate-based growth and you quantified that in EPS terms before. Just with the latest move in interest rates, is there any refresher, is there still a good guidance assumption to be thinking of for the holding company in the future?

Bryan Buckler

Analyst

Hey Paul, it's Bryan. Good morning. When we look out for the remainder of this year in 2024 and beyond, Paul, I do want to bring in the utility. We're seeing exceptional growth at utility trending very nicely for 2023 and we'll finalize our plan for 2024 and beyond here in the coming months. But 2024 is shaping up really well. A lot of tailwinds at the utility. The holding company is just a part of the whole puzzle of how we finance the company, so no change in message at all with respect to the holding company. If anything, I just think we're seeing more and more tailwinds for our core business at the electric company. So we're really bullish on that and we'll provide a comprehensive update on a consolidated EPS growth rate in February.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And one moment for our next question. That will come from the line of Anthony Crowdell with Mizuho. Your line is open.

Anthony Crowdell

Analyst

Hey, good morning, Sean. Good morning, Bryan. Good morning, Jason.

Sean Trauschke

Analyst

Hey, good morning, Anthony. It's been a while. How are the girls doing?

Anthony Crowdell

Analyst

Everyone's healthy but getting more expensive. But I think that's what happens, right?

Sean Trauschke

Analyst

I understand. I understand. Well, good to hear from you.

Anthony Crowdell

Analyst

I never had dreams of retiring rich and they're going to make my dreams come true. But if I could just jump on one of Paul's last questions. I think, Bryan, you had said that you're looking to give a consolidated update. You don't want maybe an EPS growth rate on the fourth quarter call. I just want to check. I know you're making the filings in Oklahoma and some other filings more towards the end of this year. That update will come on the fourth quarter call or will we have to maybe for the completion of that filing to get an update?

Sean Trauschke

Analyst

Anthony, this is Sean. I think you should expect that on the February call.

Anthony Crowdell

Analyst

Okay, great. And then if I could just move to the last question. I know we want to keep it tight here. You give some great detail on slide 9 on the load growth. I'm just curious if you could go more into what drove that, 16% or 16.5% load growth in commercial and was it a was it like one certain project or I know you talk about there's a very deep or long like runway of commercial activity going on in your territory. Just what drove that? Maybe I'm just trying to think of what happened in 2024. I know year-over-year don't or maybe I should I expect another 16 next year.

Sean Trauschke

Analyst

Yes, hey Anthony. Good morning. On the commercial load, as we've talked about in the past, a big driver of the increased double-digit load growth in commercial is the data mining companies that came online late last year and expanded again early this year. There are Oklahoma-based corporation with Oklahoma ownership and Oklahoma management and so that's a that's a really strong data mining customer for us, but that's just part of the puzzle. There's a lot of other industries within the commercial sector that are supporting that growth as well. We see a lot of food and beverage manufacturers and facilities in this part of the country when you're in the central U.S. They need to be able to get to both coasts and we're seeing great expansion on that front. Manufacturing is really starting to take off in Arkansas in particular and EVs, EV manufacturers as well as EV charging stations across automobile dealerships and delivery companies have really helped the commercial load as well. So it's wide-ranging, but the single biggest entity by far was the data mining company that I mentioned.

Anthony Crowdell

Analyst

Great and that's a trend you're expecting. I don't want to run ahead of your 2024 guidance, but as you said you're expecting a strong year-over-year going to 2024 especially in the commercial sector?

Sean Trauschke

Analyst

Yes in 2024 we still feel good about continued growth across residential. We believe industrial and public authority will be positive again in 2024 and then you look at commercial I do expect it to be well ahead of the 1% growth rate that we would typically see in past years in commercial. It's a little too early to say if we're talking double digits again. We need more time to see how the economy plays out and how the business projects of these customers come to fruition.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And one moment for our next question. And that will come from the line of Paul Fremont with Ladenburg Salmon. Your line is open.

Paul Fremont

Analyst

Thank you very much. Wanted to follow up on Paul Zimbardo's question. Any light that you can shed on potential cash flow off setting potential need for borrowing at the holding company obviously the fuel cost recovery looks like that would be beneficial to cash flow. Anything else that we should be thinking about in terms of cash generation?

Bryan Buckler

Analyst

Hey Paul, it’s Bryan, good morning. I don't know that there's any particular items of a point to fall other than what you've already mentioned. Again I would come back to the utility EPS growth rate is going quite well over the last several years with the load growth we're seeing in our state and just a general economic expansion, so we are really bullish on the utility both here in 2023 and beyond, certainly have the ability to earn deeply into that 5% to 7% growth rate at utility. So that's beneficial all the way across as you might imagine including our corporate structure.

Paul Fremont

Analyst

And should we think of incremental borrowing at the holding company as most likely being linked to investment opportunities especially incremental to what's in your current CapEx budget?

Bryan Buckler

Analyst

Paul, just say our messaging on that hasn't changed at all. We do have some other investments that are holding company that are unrelated to the electric company. But obviously the vast majority of our businesses is OG&E the electric utility and so those cash flows when you think about our dividend at the holding company all that messaging is unchanged.

Paul Fremont

Analyst

Right. I appreciate it, thank you very much.

Bryan Buckler

Analyst

Thank you Paul.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. And that will come from the line of Travis Miller with Morningstar. Your line is open.

Travis Miller

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning everyone.

Sean Trauschke

Analyst

Hey good morning Travis.

Travis Miller

Analyst

Going back to that storm discussion at the beginning. Apologies if i missed this, but what was the impact from storms in the quarter or year-to-date either one that you have?

Sean Trauschke

Analyst

Bryan, did we quantify the storm or yet…

Bryan Buckler

Analyst

Hey Travis good morning. And just operationally I’ll go back to what Sean mentioned earlier. We certainly had and unprecedented level of wind storms that came through our service territory in mid through late June and then again through the middle of July. Many days of sixty mile an hour to eighty mile an hour winds and while we did have some outages overall our system performed very well and our response from our teammates across the company was extraordinary so you didn't notice any issuances of us talking about multiple days of outages. So we're really proud of our operational performance on our -- as far as cost incurred on storms you can take a look at a regulatory asset footnote and that will give you the detail you need.

Travis Miller

Analyst

Okay. Great. And then kind of more higher level on just the extreme hot weather seen a lot in that region. Are there operational issues that you have to deal with when you have some of that extreme hot weather that might offset some of the benefit that you would get from that extra weather related load?

Sean Trauschke

Analyst

Sure obviously Travis I made some remarks with regard to safety obviously in an extreme heat like that you need to take precautions with the workforce in terms of heat stress things like that. Obviously higher temperatures puts more stress on the system, but what I would tell you and what we were trying to convey in my remarks was we build and design the system for those days. And we were not strained yes, we have to take additional precautions. We have to manage things a little bit different when you do have prolonged periods of extreme heat. That's our business. And we've managed and designed it that way and it's performing beautifully.

Travis Miller

Analyst

Okay, great. Thanks so much.

Sean Trauschke

Analyst

Thanks Travis.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. I'm showing no further questions in the queue at this time. I would now like to turn the call back over to Sean Trauschke for any closing remarks.

Sean Trauschke

Analyst

Well great. Thank you Sherry, and I want to thank all of you for your interest in OGE and for being on the call today. Have a great safe day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you all for participating. This concludes today's program. You may now disconnect.