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Q4 2024 Earnings Call· Thu, Jun 6, 2024

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Orion Energy Systems Fiscal 2024 Fourth Quarter Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers’ presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Bill Jones, Investor Relations, to begin.

William Jones

Analyst

Thanks, Michelle, and good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining this call today. Mike Jenkins, Orion's CEO; and Per Brodin, Orion's CFO, will review the company's Q4 and full year results, the company's financial position, and its fiscal '25 outlook. Then we will open the call to investor questions. Today's conference call is being recorded, and a replay will be posted on the Investor Relations section of Orion's website, orionlighting.com. As a reminder, remarks that follow and answers to questions include statements that are forward-looking as per the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements generally include words such as anticipate, believe, expect, project, or similar words. Also, any statements that describe future targets, goals, or company plans or its outlook are also forward-looking. These forward-looking statements are subject to various risks that could cause actual results to differ materially from current expectations. Such risks include, among other matters, matters that Orion has described in its press release issued this morning, as well as in its filings with the SEC. Except as described therein, the company disclaims any obligation to update or revise these forward-looking statements, which are made as of today's date. Reconciliations of certain non-GAAP financial metrics to the closest GAAP measures are also provided in today's press release. Now I will turn the call over to Mike Jenkins. Mike?

Michael Jenkins

Analyst

Thanks, Bill. Good morning, and thank you all for joining today's call. As anticipated, Orion's revenue momentum continued to build across the business in the fourth quarter, enabling us to achieve our strongest revenue quarter of the year and end within our full year revenue guidance. We expect this positive revenue momentum to continue in fiscal 2025 and have guided 10% to 15% revenue growth over fiscal '24 for the full year. A few revenue highlights from our fiscal '24, quarter four and year-end. Orion finished at $90.6 million, overall, which is within our latest guidance and is approximately 17% above prior year. Quarter four was a strong 22% over prior year. Our Lighting segment grew over 13% in quarter four and finished 8% above prior year. Maintenance recorded over $5 million in revenue in quarter four, while generating positive margin growth and finished over 17% for the full year. Our EV business recorded a record quarter four of approximately $5 million, up 42% over prior year, and finished over $12 million for the year, which was about a 96% increase. Let me now provide some commentary on our businesses. Starting off with the LED Lighting solutions, we saw steady progress throughout fiscal '24 in our ESCO and turnkey customer groupings. Our number one customer grew significantly in the quarter and in fiscal '24 as we expanded our lighting projects and maintenance relationships. On the Lighting side, we began executing exterior lighting retrofits for their stores, as well as a number of their DCs, in addition to new stores, which drove meaningful growth. Both of these areas will be multiyear projects that enable them to upgrade their energy efficiency and lighting performance. Our federal government business took a big step with the execution of our large Department of Defense base…

Per Brodin

Analyst

Thank you, Mike, and hello, everyone. I'll briefly review some highlights before we move to Q&A. Our Q4 '24 revenue rose 22.1% to $26.4 million, which compares to $21.6 million in Q4 '23, an improvement of approximately $5 million across all three business segments. Full fiscal year '24 revenue increased 17.1% to $90.6 million, a $13.2 million increase over fiscal '23. Fiscal '24 included 96% growth in our EV business, 18% in Maintenance Services growth, and 8% growth in LED Lighting. Both the quarter and the full year reflect the ramp of some larger LED Lighting projects, most notably the Department of Defense contract Mike referred to and the start of a three year preventative lighting maintenance service contract for our largest customers' 2,000 retail locations. Looking at margins, our gross profit percentage improved 390 basis points to 25.8% in Q4 '24 versus 21.9% in Q4 '23. For the full fiscal year, our gross profit percentage increased 50 basis points to 23.1% in 2024 from 22.6% in fiscal '23. Both 2024 periods benefited from the impact of higher volume on fixed cost absorption, sales mix, and improved pricing on certain maintenance contracts. Product gross margin improved approximately 370 basis points to 29.8% in fiscal '24 from 24.9% a year ago. The increase is attributable to new product sales as well as the benefit of higher volumes and fixed cost absorption. Reflecting steps taken in the Maintenance business and our expectation for the business overall, we expect our blended gross margin to remain strong in fiscal '25 as we continue to grow sales. However, there will be some negative effect in Q1 as we work through the remaining work orders for the Maintenance contracts that have lapsed. Operating expenses declined to $5 million in Q4 '24 from $9.6 million in Q4…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question is going to come from the line of Eric Stine with Craig-Hallum Capital Group. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Eric Stine

Analyst

Hi, Mike. Eric here.

Michael Jenkins

Analyst

Eric?

Eric Stine

Analyst

Hey. So it sounds like the 10% to 15% growth outlook for '25 is really LED Lighting, right? If we think about Maintenance, the loss of those contracts offset by Charging. Do you agree with that? And then just curious, what type of visibility do you see? You mentioned $2 million from the DOD project. I know you've got a number of other projects in hand, set to start. But just curious as you look at fiscal '25, what you have in hand today. And I know it's always timing dependent.

Michael Jenkins

Analyst

Yeah. As you outlined, we see both LED Lighting and EV as being strong growth drivers for us. As you said, the EV business and the growth in that helps offset some of the decline in Maintenance. But they're both working together for growth. We do have a significant pipeline going into this year on both EV and LED Lighting. We have some very large projects that support both our new and long-term customers. We did reference in the remarks about the automotive customers coming back this year. We did see a softer year in automotive, just based on timing of projects this past fiscal year. That will give us a nice boost. I did reference also one of those automotive customers is really beginning to respond to some of the fluorescent bands that we've seen. There's evidence that they want to accelerate some timing of retrofits as a result of some of the fluorescent bands coming. So, that's why we feel very good about the year in general and feel good about the Lighting business.

Eric Stine

Analyst

All right. And then maybe just turning to Voltrek. It sounds like you characterized the growth here to this point being really skewed towards fleet opportunities. Just curious, you mentioned synergies with your Lighting customers. Maybe what do you think that contribution is in fiscal '25 and maybe how much of your -- I think you referenced the $45 million plus pipeline?

Michael Jenkins

Analyst

Yeah. I would say right now our business is definitely a mix as it continues to be from a historical perspective. In terms of fleets and non-fleet sales, we do see a huge opportunity moving forward with fleet and DC fast charge. The NEVI funds and connecting the interstate highway system, all of that, we see that as an opportunity unfolding over the next several years. The first phases of grants are hitting the street right now at the state level. So, we do see more and more opportunities for fleets as we move forward, and we are engaging with customers about that as well as government sectors. So, the pipeline of over $45 million does not include all of the cross-selling synergies back and forth between Lighting and EV. We actually have a cross-selling pipeline right now that exceeds $30 million between our Lighting and our EV business. And so, we really are pleased in how that's coming together and strengthening.

Eric Stine

Analyst

Got it. And maybe last one for me, just sticking with charging. There's been a bit of a shakeout in the EV charging space, a number of the EV charging companies. Just curious, is that something that helps you, hurts you, doesn't matter? Just some thoughts there would be helpful.

Michael Jenkins

Analyst

Yeah. I think overall that volatility helps us. We're a well-established company in this space with over a decade of experience. We're partnered with very well-known premier equipment providers like ChargePoint, who's our largest partner. And so we feel really good about our position. Stable partners, trusted name in the industry, and a growing pipeline. So, we've seen some new entrants come and go, but overall, we feel continually optimistic about this space and our ability to compete and win.

Eric Stine

Analyst

All right. Thanks, Mike.

Michael Jenkins

Analyst

Thanks, Eric.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And one moment as we move on to our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Amit Dayal with H.C. Wainwright. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Amit Dayal

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Good morning, everyone.

Michael Jenkins

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Hey, Amit.

Amit Dayal

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

So good to see the diversification starting to now show up in the revenue mix. With respect to this $11 million EV customer, is this an enterprise customer or a government customer that you expect to deploy this year?

Michael Jenkins

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Yeah. We did announce it previously. It's Eversource, which is a utility in Massachusetts. And so, we're contracted with them what they call make-ready work, which essentially is getting essentially all the infrastructure in place. And then on top of that, and in addition to, there's equipment.

Per Brodin

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Maybe just to clarify, Amit, the end user is not the utility. There are customers of Eversource that are the customers purchasing these products and services. But Eversource helps fund those purchases for the customer.

Amit Dayal

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Understood. How many units does this translate into, just to get a sense of what the market is looking like, if you can share that?

Michael Jenkins

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

I'm sorry, Amit, you got a little broken up there. Could you please repeat the question?

Amit Dayal

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Yeah. I was wondering how many units this $11 million translates into? I don't know if you can share that information.

Michael Jenkins

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Yeah. I can't really give units. I can tell you that I believe the total subset of projects underneath that are approximately somewhere around, let's say, 20 to 25 projects.

Amit Dayal

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Okay. Thank you. [Multiple Speakers]

Per Brodin

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Maybe I'll just clarify one more thing on that, Amit. When we say make-ready, that work is a lot of the infrastructure required for the installation of a charging unit. So, that $11 million may not always include a charging unit itself if the customer decides to only have us do the make-ready work or, say, the grounded below work, if that helps.

Michael Jenkins

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Yeah. Part of our turnkey solution is to provide that construction work, often to bring the infrastructure in place to then put the charger -- connect the charger to.

Amit Dayal

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Understood. And then along those lines, you touched on it a little bit, are you seeing any acceleration in federal funding that could support stronger deployments in the next one or two years? It's been a little bit slower than what folks might have expected to play out. But is that changing that helps your future outlook?

Michael Jenkins

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Yeah, it does. In EV charging space, there was the $5 billion of NEVI funds that were appropriated. Like a lot of federal programs, they work ultimately through the states. And so things take time for that funding vehicle to go to the states and then for them to comply and begin to grant the monies. So, we're just starting to see some of that NEVI funding hit the street, and I think it will really accelerate over the next 24 months. But it's starting to be applied now. And that's really for DC fast charge infrastructure, which is good.

Amit Dayal

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Okay. Understood. Just one last one for me. With the maintenance margins now expected to improve from here, overall margins, is there room for further improvement or should we model for these levels, mid-20% margins for at least fiscal '25?

Per Brodin

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

I think for fiscal '25, we expect to see some modest potential improvement. As I mentioned in my remarks, that won't necessarily flow through in Q1 because of some of the headwinds still that we're facing related to these three contracts that are lapsing. But then it should continue to improve in Q2, Q3, and Q4.

Amit Dayal

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Okay. That’s all I have, guys. I’ll take my other questions offline. Thank you.

Per Brodin

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Thanks.

Michael Jenkins

Analyst · H.C. Wainwright. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Thanks, Amit.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. One moment as we move on to our next question. And our next question is going to come from the line of B.J. Cook with Singular Research. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

B.J. Cook

Analyst

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my call. I just want to clarify.

Michael Jenkins

Analyst

Hey, B.J.

B.J. Cook

Analyst

Hey, guys. The $45 million EV pipeline, I just wondered if that -- if I remember right, it was $50 million last quarter or so. And that's on net basis. I'm just wondering if that includes some new contracts that moved from the pipeline to [indiscernible] orders. We're looking at on a net basis. I just wondered if you're seeing some growth in the pipeline pickup for the new contract that turned into firm orders.

Michael Jenkins

Analyst

Yeah. Great question, B.J. Yeah, absolutely. The opportunity to return our pipeline, once they're closed and landed, then they come out of the pipeline once we begin to activate them as projects. So, that's a constant moving group of opportunities in there. And so a fair amount of those have been realized and are being realized. And so, we're constantly replenishing. So, I would say our pipeline overall is stable to growing. As I mentioned, there are additional opportunities, which we are counting as cost selling back and forth between EV and Lighting that are, let's say, EV related, which are not included in that currently.

B.J. Cook

Analyst

Got you. Appreciate that. And one other thing for me, you mentioned the $4 million to $5 million contraction in the Maintenance business. I'm just wondering if that's just a contraction or is that the number for your consolidated revenue outlook?

Michael Jenkins

Analyst

It's a contraction within that segment only, and that's the net impact. In my comments, I referenced the value of the contract loss was about $6.8 million, but we're offsetting that with new business, both with our three-year preventative agreement, which has been previously announced, as well as potentially some additional business, and we expect that to net to a contraction of $5 million.

Per Brodin

Analyst

And our overall growth guidance for the year is net of that $5 million.

Michael Jenkins

Analyst

Yeah. It includes that contraction.

B.J. Cook

Analyst

Okay. Perfect. Thanks for the clarification. I appreciate it, guys.

Michael Jenkins

Analyst

Yeah. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. One moment as we move onto our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Bill Dezellem with Tieton Capital Management. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

William Dezellem

Analyst · Tieton Capital Management. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Yeah. Thank you. I'd actually like to just follow up on that last point and just doing these numbers in my head. But if you didn't have that $5 million headwind, then your 10% to 15% revenue guidance would be closer to 15% to 20% revenue guidance. Is that correct?

Michael Jenkins

Analyst · Tieton Capital Management. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

That's correct, Bill.

William Dezellem

Analyst · Tieton Capital Management. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

And so do you view longer term that 15% to 20% revenue growth as the more sustained revenue growth that you would be targeting for the business?

Michael Jenkins

Analyst · Tieton Capital Management. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Yeah. I think somewhere around 15% per annum is definitely a target which we're shooting for and think is attainable.

William Dezellem

Analyst · Tieton Capital Management. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Okay. That's helpful. And then one other point of clarification before I jump to a couple other questions. The $35 million of cross-selling pipeline, is that LED and EV Charging business, or is that EV only that $35 million represents?

Michael Jenkins

Analyst · Tieton Capital Management. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

$35 million is both. So, part of the synergy, which we've always believed in, is that we can cross-sell Lighting programs to some EV customers and vice versa. Obviously, our base of Lighting customers is larger than EV, and so we thought that would be a bigger growth driver. But we are starting to see some significant opportunities coming the other way as well. So, that's a total between the two.

William Dezellem

Analyst · Tieton Capital Management. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

And so those opportunities that are coming the other way, would we be talking about EV Charging business that then is deciding that they would like some of your outdoor lighting solutions to either light up the EV location or the entire parking area where the EV would also be located. Is that the right way to think about that or are you actually finding EV customers saying, hey, we'd like you to put LED inside a building that is next door?

Michael Jenkins

Analyst · Tieton Capital Management. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Yeah, it's really all of the above. It's really about the customer more than the specific application. So, we're getting exposure to some new customers, new partners, etc., through the two businesses working together that is creating synergy and additional opportunities for another segment.

William Dezellem

Analyst · Tieton Capital Management. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Okay. That’s actually well clarified. Thank you, Mike. I appreciate that. And then a couple of additional questions here. So, you mentioned that the Orion execution with the ESCO and the military base was really good. Let me start by asking, has this ESCO done other military bases, or was this their first one that they had done outside the U.S.?

Michael Jenkins

Analyst · Tieton Capital Management. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

No, they do quite a few bases. And when I say quite a few, it's a couple per year or per every couple of years. So, these are very large projects, but they do a fair amount in this space. And we've worked with them historically on those as well.

William Dezellem

Analyst · Tieton Capital Management. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Okay. So, where I'm going with this is, was your execution strong enough and better than other suppliers in the past that you anticipate that you will receive other business from this ESCO? And I am making the presumption, if they've been doing bases, that they've done well enough that the military will continue to use them in other bases.

Michael Jenkins

Analyst · Tieton Capital Management. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Yeah. They are a longstanding partner of ours, where we've done a number of different sites. I think the execution on the projects in Europe this year was outstanding by our team. I think they would echo that. And so, I think we're well positioned to work with them on future projects.

William Dezellem

Analyst · Tieton Capital Management. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

And do you see the DOD opportunities outside of the U.S. with this ESCO to be larger or smaller than the opportunities to work with this ESCO on the types of business that you had done historically prior to this European base?

Michael Jenkins

Analyst · Tieton Capital Management. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

It's difficult to say exactly, Bill. I think there's going to be a lot of opportunities moving forward. One of the things that's interesting right now is that the federal government does have an ambition of electrifying essentially all of their assets by 2035. This is what we've been told anyways. And that includes military bases. And so that has a fairly profound impact not only for energy efficiency and LED lighting, but potentially for EV charging and other avenues as well. So, I think moving forward, we would anticipate that there could be more opportunities along these lines, both domestically or abroad.

William Dezellem

Analyst · Tieton Capital Management. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

And so this could be a federal building in any given city from small to large in the U.S. to a military base in the Middle East. Just anything and everything in between now and 2035.

Michael Jenkins

Analyst · Tieton Capital Management. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

That's our understanding.

William Dezellem

Analyst · Tieton Capital Management. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Okay. And then one additional question, if I may. The EV Charging you said was approximately $5 million of revenues this quarter. Do you have a backlog to maintain that pace of business or even increase it to $20 million or more annual run rate?

Michael Jenkins

Analyst · Tieton Capital Management. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Yeah. As referenced, our expectation for this year is a 50% plus growth. So, obviously, on a base of $12 million, that is north of $18 million. We have $11 million with one customer that we've referenced already and a $45 million to $50 million pipeline. So, we feel really good about our confidence in our ability to grow this business and achieve the $18 million plus.

William Dezellem

Analyst · Tieton Capital Management. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Okay, I wasn't doing that math. So, since I'm failing on the math front, I'll end my questions there. And thank you for all the time.

Michael Jenkins

Analyst · Tieton Capital Management. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

No problem, Bill. Yeah. Thanks, Bill. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our next question is going to come from the line of Andrew Shapiro with Lawndale Capital Management. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Andrew Shapiro

Analyst

Hi. Thanks. I have questions regarding kind of all three lines of business. As an immediate follow-up to your discussions here. How do you internally look at and define your sales funnel? Is there a book-to-bill activity? This is in Voltrek. Do you have somewhat of a book-to-bill activity and metrics lens that you're applying to this? And can you provide us investors some clarity on how to think about it and how your sales funnel is configured right now for Voltrek?

Michael Jenkins

Analyst

Well, Andrew, I would say that we look at it a number of different ways. But when we talk about pipeline, typically what we're talking about is -- almost always, we're talking about high-confidence pipeline, which means there's active projects. We have a level of detail around those where we believe it's a good fit. And we are quoting. And so, when I speak of pipeline, that's what I'm talking about. Beyond that, we use various metrics internally with the management teams, et cetera, but we really don't get into that from an external standpoint.

Andrew Shapiro

Analyst

Okay. And then when you book the project, you're not really billing the project. Generally, what's the timing like? What's the cycle like? You've now quoted it. Now they've signed the deal. What is a typical project timing and billing like?

Michael Jenkins

Analyst

Yeah. Again, not to cop out here, Andrew, but it really depends. It depends on whether or not we're doing a turnkey installation, we could be doing materials only, these could be just installing a unit on a ready pedestal, or it could be doing make-ready work, which is all the infrastructure to get the power to the site where ultimately we're going to put the station. So, it varies widely. Some of these projects we may -- the scope varies. Some of them we may be able to recognize revenue in a very quick order, and some of them it may be more engaged turnkey where we get progress payments over time.

Andrew Shapiro

Analyst

Okay. Got it. Next question here on Voltrek. Am I correct in calculating here what Per said is that Q4 benefited from a reversal on Voltrek's annual earnout accrual that had accrued up through Q3, right? And I think you said this was $3 million, and that is a singular quarter benefit for Q4. Is that correct?

Per Brodin

Analyst

That is correct. So, for Q4, we had a net reversal of $3 million. For the year, we had net expense for the earnout of $300,000.

Andrew Shapiro

Analyst

Okay.

Per Brodin

Analyst

The place that's most visible is in our adjusted EBITDA reconciliation at the end of the press release.

Andrew Shapiro

Analyst

Okay. So, more importantly, why or how as of Q3 did the accrual get to that excess for such a reversal? Is it that you had a bunch of business expected to close and bill in Q4 that has been bumped into Q1 and beyond?

Per Brodin

Analyst

I would say, it's -- I'll start with, through the end of Q3, fiscal '24, we were accruing at the maximum potential liability. And then as we got to -- and then just a reminder, for fiscal '23, the maximum earnout was achieved. So, we continued to accrue at the potential maximum. When we got to the end of the year and could view the actual results, we adjusted our, let's say, thought on what would be achieved. Because for the fiscal year ended March '24, the amount achieved for the discrete fiscal year '24 was $875,000 versus a target of $3.5 million. So, that was a big piece of the reversal. And then we also brought down the amount accrued for what we call the kicker, the cumulative earnout to an amount that was less than 100% of the max. It's based on our outlook. Doesn't impact our view on the expected success of that operation.

Andrew Shapiro

Analyst

All right. I guess, it just added to a lot of the volatility in thee reported earnings, which unfortunately added to the volatility in the stock that we all encountered over the last year. Going on to the maintenance, the overall side. So, the gross margins you had were really nice increase. What's the gross margin percentage you're trying to get back to, and how long do you think it takes to get there?

Per Brodin

Analyst

That's with respect to Maintenance?

Andrew Shapiro

Analyst

Well, yes, but it was also with respect to, I guess, the overall business. But let's drill down in the Maintenance because that is the main drag. What was the Maintenance gross profit margin in Q4, and about what recovery in margin percentage remains to get this line of business gross margin back up to your company goals?

Per Brodin

Analyst

We don't typically disclose the actual margin of the segments, but from a directional standpoint, maintenance increased to mid-gross margins, mid-teens, and we expect to see some improvement on that for the remainder of fiscal '25 after we work through Q1 and the drag that these last three contracts will have on that business. And then as I said in my other remarks, overall, we expect to see some incremental improvement to what we achieved in Q4, but it will still be that drag in Q1. And at this point, we don't expect it to be significant, but we still are expecting some improvement.

Andrew Shapiro

Analyst

And is Q1 the timing of the expected write-down in the maintenance area in the coming year that you put in your little forecast, or is that throughout the year?

Per Brodin

Analyst

No, that will be Q1, we expect the final contract that lapsed at the end of April. So, we expect by May and June to work through those remaining work orders. Similarly, the other two previously lapsed, so that shall all be cleaned up as well for the most part by the end of June.

Andrew Shapiro

Analyst

Including the equipment write-off you mentioned?

Per Brodin

Analyst

Correct.

Andrew Shapiro

Analyst

Okay. And lastly, and this is on the LED side. Are the new lower-priced products, I think you call them TritonPro and Harris, are they generative of similar gross margins as the more broadly greater-featured, higher-priced product line or are they lower margins?

Michael Jenkins

Analyst

Yeah. On a percentage basis, I would say, overall, they're similar to the rest of our portfolio.

Andrew Shapiro

Analyst

Okay. Great. So, as the sales mix shifts in some way, as these are new products that would start to get a percentage of share, it won't be any drag on the overall gross margin then?

Michael Jenkins

Analyst

No, not on a percentage basis, no.

Andrew Shapiro

Analyst

Great. All right. Thanks, guys.

Michael Jenkins

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And this concludes the question-and-answer session, and I will now turn the conference back to Mr. Jenkins for concluding remarks.

Michael Jenkins

Analyst

Great. Again, thank you all for joining us today. We look forward to updating you when we report our Q1 results and as we progress through our fiscal '25. We also hope to speak with you at upcoming investor events, including the Noble Capital Markets Virtual Equity Conference on June 26, a virtual event with one-on-one meeting opportunities. You can contact a Noble conference representative or our IR team to request a meeting at this event. You may also contact our Investor Relations team with any questions concerning today's call or to schedule a call with management. Their contact information is in today's press release. Thanks, again.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.