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Oil-Dri Corporation of America (ODC)

Q3 2014 Earnings Call· Mon, Jun 9, 2014

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Oil-Dri Corporation of America Q3 2014 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Lisa, and I will be your operator for today. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host for today, Mr. Dan Jaffee, President and CEO.

Daniel Jaffee

Analyst

Thank you, Lisa, and welcome, everybody, to our third quarter teleconference. Joining me in the conference room here in Chicago are Dan Smith, CFO; Doug Graham, VP and General Counsel; and back by popular demand, Ronda Williams, who will be covering our Investor Relations and our Safe Harbor. So Ronda?

Ronda Williams

Analyst

Right, thank you. It's great to be back here. Welcome, everyone on today's call. Comments may contain forward-looking statements regarding the company's performance in future periods. Actual results in those periods may materially differ. In our press release and our SEC filings, we highlight a number of important risk factors, trends and uncertainties that may affect our future performance. We ask that you review and consider those factors in evaluating the company's comments and in evaluating any investment in Oil-Dri stock. Thank you.

Daniel Jaffee

Analyst

Thank you, and don't panic, Reagan is just on vacation. We didn't punish her for this quarter. Dan, do you want to take it through?

Daniel Smith

Analyst

Sure. Good morning. Oil-Dri sales for the third quarter and the first 9 months have benefited from enhanced private label cat litter business from the MFM acquisition and improved branded cat litter sales. However, our earnings reflect our long-term promotional investments in our consumer brands; continued packaging, freight, material and fuel cost pressures; and some weakness in our B2B area. Sales of $67.4 million for the quarter and $200.3 million for the first 9 months reflected solid business growth over the same periods last year. Our EPS was $0.10 per diluted share for the quarter, which was down significantly from fiscal '13's quarter EPS of $0.46. The quarter's results book brought our year-to-date EPS to $1.11 versus $1.40 for the same period in fiscal '13. Our retail and wholesale team reported strong top line sales growth for both the quarter and the year. Overall, cat litter sales increased about 18% for the quarter with both private label and branded business showing improvements. However, the Retail and Wholesale Group reported a loss for the quarter due to increased costs and our continued investment in advertising and promotional spending. We continue to expect that our advertising and promotional spending for the fiscal '14 will be greater than fiscal '13. In the B2B area, quarterly sales for B2B team was behind the third quarter of fiscal '13 by about 8%. Our Ag products reported a 38% drop in sales, driven primarily by a reduction in business with our Corn Rootworm formulators. Our animal health business was also down, but our Fluids Purification product sales were up for the quarter. The combination of reduced sales and increased costs adversely impacted the group's income for the quarter. The quarterly results led to 9-month income amounts that were less than the year-to-date values for fiscal '13.…

Daniel Jaffee

Analyst

Great. Thank you, and as always, we'll open it up to Q&A. We encourage you to ask your most important question first, and then go back to the end of the queue so that everyone can get a question asked if they want to. So Lisa, let's open up the question-and-answer line.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from the line of Ethan Star.

Ethan Star

Analyst

Just wondering, you've appointed a new Chief Operating Officer in early April. I'm just wondering what's behind that, and could you give us a little bit more flavor for that? And is he filling a traditional COO role or a different role. It'd be just helpful to know that.

Daniel Jaffee

Analyst

Well, it's a great question because it's a significant turning point in our organizational history. And probably the best way to answer it is also to segue into something I definitely want to cover, which is the continued success of our Fresh & Light brand. As you know, that's -- I came up through the cat litter side of the business, and I'll get to those details at some point in the call, but that's an area that with Paul Ziemnisky, I wanted to be able to spend a lot of time. Paul is our GM, but it's, obviously, this is something I've spent 20-something years watching happen in the launch of lightweight litter and the revolution that's really taking place right now in the United States on that. And so, what Mark Lewry is doing, and he's got a wealth of experience, I've competed in and around Mark for 20-some-odd years, so we've always had a mutually respectful, healthy competitive relationship, highest integrity, highest skill set. And so, he's come in and taken all of the nonconsumer stuff away from me. So he's got all the B2B. So our animal health, our Ag products, our Fluids Purification, our B2B marketing, all of that reports now into Mark, and that's allowed me now to spend really the bulk of my time and energy on what we're calling this lightweight tsunami.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Robert Smith.

Robert Smith

Analyst

So my interest in the company is long term, and I'm not interested in the next quarter. But I just want to preface my comments by saying that in the past, it seems that a spoiler has kind of appeared when unexpected and that happened for me here in that the only thing that really concerns me is the decline in animal health sales. I thought that this was really a secular trend upward, and I was really taken aback and surprised by this, and I'm wondering if you can really give me some color and dig down and just tell me what just happened here.

Daniel Jaffee

Analyst

Yes, Mark, it's a great question. And I share your concern. It's a small entity that's growing rapidly, but then in any short period of time, you can see big fluctuations when a couple of things hit. And what hit really was -- it depends on where you want to go, but in South America, we had a lot of inventory out there supplying a major customer. That major customer shifted the product they're taking from us, they're still buying from us, but now we're stuck with this big inventory hangover and we've been trying to work out of that. So not a lot of new sales coming out of South America, which was a horse for us. Instead, it's trying to work out inventory of a product line. Over in Asia, and I was just there for the grand opening, it's really a lot about putting a lot of expense and energy into getting something started but that it isn't yielding a whole lot of benefits in the short run. But I don't think that's a surprise. I mean, it's anytime you start an entity from scratch, you're going to -- your expenses are going to get out in front of your revenues. I can tell you, though, the team is extremely experienced, focused, excited. 50% of the world's pigs are in China. Literally, 50%. And our Calibrin-Z is our highest-value product, and it's the best product on the market for zearalanone binding, which is the mycotoxin that impacts pig production. Give you some random stats that I learned over there, but it really shows you that the future for our type of technology is very bright. And don't quote me on this. You got an accountant who's also a cat litter salesman now talking to you as an…

Robert Smith

Analyst

You really didn't because just circling back, so -- for me, it was a question that revenues or dollars were down 11% in animal health. Are you just telling me that there was an inventory adjustment in South America?

Daniel Smith

Analyst

One of our key customers in South America had quite a bit of inventory holdovers, so there wasn't a lot of new sales this year.

Daniel Jaffee

Analyst

Compared to 1 year ago.

Daniel Smith

Analyst

Compared to 1 year ago.

Daniel Jaffee

Analyst

It's a small business. It just is. So you're going to see big, wide fluctuations. You may see them in quarters where it's up 50%, and that doesn't mean it's going to be up 50% every quarter. It's just working off a small base. It's really is -- are we fishing in the right pond? And that was my way of telling you we are. But did we pull any fish out this quarter? No. So you're right.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of John Bair.

John Bair

Analyst

I -- in the last couple of quarters, and it's kind of historical, I guess here, the increase fluctuations in the cost of natural gas and so forth. And so, my question is sort of twofold here. I know with prices having gone up, that's obviously an impact, but how much additional gas usage in volume sense have you incurred with the acquisition of the Florida assets? And how much is that really coming into play here? Does my question make sense?

Daniel Jaffee

Analyst

Okay. Yes, it definitely does. We've reported our annual tonnage pretty much at the end of every year. And last year, we did 815,000 tons-ish. And you can do the math because we sort of said how much sales revenue we're generating in all of this. So let's just say you've added about 10% of our tons to that 815,000, but you couldn't straight-line that and say, you're adding 10% to your natural gas because cat litter is what's called RVM, which means we don't have to dry it twice, we dry it once. And so, it uses less fuel than an LVM product. So you can probably say 5% to 6%, and I think you'd be pretty accurate.

John Bair

Analyst

Okay. And that kind of leads into a parallel question, such as how -- what are you doing about -- or is there anything further you can do with regards to your plant efficiency? In other words, are you able to run -- cure more cat litter since your overall volume production is up? Is there some efficiencies there that you're working on? Or are you pretty well where you think you can maximize that at this point?

Daniel Jaffee

Analyst

That's another great question. I mean, when we took it on, it was a Lucille Ball skit. There's no doubt about it. We took this big acquisition. We dropped all this tonnage into our existing facility, so we had to throw a lot of people at it and just made sure we fill the orders because these accounts -- Publix, Dollar General, Meyer -- They were absolutely partners of us before and even bigger partners of us after. So we had to make sure we were supplying them. Now we're getting to where we absolutely -- our goal is by 8/1 to really get those efficiencies in place where we start to have it be incrementally more efficient than it was historically. However, as I say that, anytime you're growing rapidly in a certain area, it's very difficult to do 2 things, which is both grow rapidly, meet all orders as they come, keep your supply chain solid and cut costs and focus on what we call munda [ph] or waste and driving that out of the system. So I mean, maybe it's a good sign because I want to get this out on to the call whether anyone is going to ask me about it or not. So John, if you don't mind, can I segue into our cat litter business and how the results have been going?

John Bair

Analyst

Yes, absolutely. And I guess, where I was ultimately driving with this was can -- hopefully, there'll be a tapering off of the impact as you get the stuff -- the new production and so forth kind of under control. But I mean, I recognize that gas prices where I track them very closely as well. So I understand that that's pretty well out of your control, and I hope you don't ever go back in and hedge like you did a number of years ago. I think that was post-Katrina, if I'm not mistaken. So anyways, yes, go ahead and segue in, and then I'll get back in the queue.

Daniel Jaffee

Analyst

Okay, thanks. So it's very exciting. We get purview to this, the IRI information. And we can use it in the ways we've used it in these teleconferences, so I wanted to just -- I don't want to bombard you with a lot of numbers, but I do want everyone who's an investor in Oil-Dri to realize what an incredible thing we are experiencing here. I mean, I've been involved in this category now for 25 years, and this is as good as it gets. So Cat's Pride Fresh & Light, let me start with 24-week data, and this is multi outlets. So this includes Walmart. It includes grocery. It includes mass and all the different chains that turned their numbers in. So this is the biggest number you can get your arms around. We generally think it represents 65% to 70% of the category. You still got like the clubs that are not turning in their data. PetSmart and PETCO does not turn in their data. But everybody else does: Target, Walmart, Kroger, you name it. So you're getting a good, good healthy sample size. So the category grew at 5.6% in dollars for the 24-week period, which is a healthy category. And that growth is driven by lightweight cat litter. So Cat's Pride Fresh & Light, which you guys know we launched 3 years ago, our distribution was up 5.6%. So that gives you an idea. If our velocity stayed the same, if we sold the same per point of distribution and we grow our distribution by 5.6%, you would say your sales would go up by 5.6%. Anything above that and you're increasing your velocity, and even below that and you're really playing a churn game. You're just putting on new real estate, but you're losing more…

Operator

Operator

Your next question is a follow-up from the line of Ethan Star.

Ethan Star

Analyst

Very exciting to hear the news from Fresh & Light. And can you elaborate a little bit more on the -- there's currently a new product for the pet specialty stores?

Daniel Jaffee

Analyst

Well, you've got to be more specific. There's always new products in the pet specialty stores.

Ethan Star

Analyst

Okay, that was mentioned in the Q, so...

Daniel Jaffee

Analyst

Oh, our new product. I thought you meant a competitor's. I thought you're saying you've spotted something, which -- because you do a lot of retail. Yes, we've got a specific product that we've tailored for the pet specialty. It's doing well right now. Advanced and -- just all I can tell you, it's outperforming our expectations, and I think it's meeting or exceeding PetSmart's expectations. It's been a positive turn of events.

Ethan Star

Analyst

Okay. Is it considered a Fresh & Light derivative or not?

Daniel Jaffee

Analyst

I don't know, so I'm not going to answer that question. I don't know how they positioned it, and I don't remember the final formula, so I'm not going to answer the question. I don't know.

Ethan Star

Analyst

Okay, could I do a quick follow-up?

Daniel Jaffee

Analyst

Sure.

Ethan Star

Analyst

Just for a different thing, however. How is MD-09 doing?

Daniel Jaffee

Analyst

Okay, well, it's doing very well, actually. This is all about what are known as wet droppings, which is basically chicken diarrhea and a subject near and dear to my heart. And I can tell you, when I was in Asia, for instance, we have a big distributor and I don't want to get into too much specifics, but they've been using MD-09 [indiscernible] into the call because the product works very well and then once they sell the MD-09, they've been able to sell to A and Z on the back end to them to be able to solve the mycotoxin problems. So it's been a 2-for win for us. The product itself is doing well, but it's also been a great sort of support to solve the problem that everybody knows they have, which is visual. The mycotoxin problem, everyone kind of gets it, but it's the things [ph] around it, it's difficult. I mean, I was so -- if my sows took this, would I get 13.8 and not 13.4. There's no guarantees in life. There's a whole bunch of different variables that go into production. But wet droppings is visual, it's obvious, you use this product, the wet droppings go away and they can see the benefit. So we're very happy with MD-09.

Ethan Star

Analyst

Okay. Just one last thing and that's that I would hope for another dividend increase this year.

Daniel Smith

Analyst

I'm sure you and my family will all be in line for that one. So we'll -- as you know, we take that up at the June meeting every year.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Robert Smith.

Robert Smith

Analyst

So the capacity and expansion for Fluid Purification, how much would it increase -- the capacity increase?

Daniel Jaffee

Analyst

Interestingly enough, you got a 2-for going on there. So when we hit the wall on capacity, it really forced us in a greater way to focus on the efficiency of the existing mills. And then now we have the new mill coming on, so joint total capacity and I'm going to say 33%.

Daniel Smith

Analyst

Okay. So now it's third mill, so by nature it's 1/3, so.

Daniel Jaffee

Analyst

Yes, right, yes, well, [indiscernible], but I would go 33%.

Robert Smith

Analyst

Okay, and the comment about the sales of Agsorb and Corn Rootworm, can you just give me a little color on that? What's going on there?

Daniel Jaffee

Analyst

I talked to our General Manager, and he said it's twofold. There really are only 3 or 4 Corn Rootworm major customers anymore. The ones we have are actually down a little bit because their business is down, but we actually lost one, too. It was a price-type bid thing. And so, it was down not just because the market is down, we also lost share in the Corn Rootworm business this year. So that was disappointing because that was the exact question I asked them. And we're doing everything we can to try to get it back.

Robert Smith

Analyst

Okay. And is there anything you can say about new product development at this point? You said you had things on the burner for next fiscal year and beyond.

Daniel Jaffee

Analyst

No, we do. We absolutely do. And no, I would say nothing that -- that's ready to be publicly disclosed at this point.

Robert Smith

Analyst

So all the points that you enumerated that added to increased costs for the quarter, what's the totality of that? Is there a number that -- so we could -- I could kind of back it out and just say, what would have happened if that money had not been spent?

Daniel Smith

Analyst

Well, Robert, overall, gross profit went down 5 points, so there's a lot of factors going on. We tried to list them out in the Q in terms of percentages.

Robert Smith

Analyst

I know you did, yes.

Daniel Smith

Analyst

Yes, but I mean, you got a fairly substantial drop. Packaging is up, freight's up, material is up, fuel is up. To John's earlier question, that fuel change is not a usage change, that's a rate change. So...

Robert Smith

Analyst

For example, the MFM thing was a onetime deal, I mean -- so you can back that out and things like that, I mean. The additional incremental costs for marketing of Fresh & Light?

Daniel Smith

Analyst

Yes. We usually disclose our advertising spend at the end of the year. It's in the K. We're saying it's going to be higher than fiscal '13, and I think that's where the guidance we're providing at this time.

Robert Smith

Analyst

And for 9 months, it was higher also?

Daniel Smith

Analyst

It was higher.

Daniel Jaffee

Analyst

Okay, good, and you reminded me of a good point that I definitely want to get out there, which is, we are going to be going out and already talking to our customers about price increases because costs are going up, and every year, you get farther and deeper, it's the nature of the clay business. And every year, pretty much, regulations get in and on to the books. I can't remember any ever getting taken off the books. So every year, it gets more and more complex and expensive to mine and process in the United States. And then with natural gas on top of it, there's no doubt, everyone in our industry is experiencing the same thing. So we're out there raising prices all effective 8/1, 9/1 type stuff. And so, that hopefully will help repair some of the margin damage we saw here in the third quarter and as we finish the year. I think we're pretty much out of time. If we had any other new questioners who didn't get to ask anything, but -- if not, I think I'm going to just say, look -- Lisa, are there any new questioners?

Operator

Operator

No, there are not.

Daniel Jaffee

Analyst

Okay, well then, listen, again, very much appreciate your guys' patience and understanding that -- we like to think of ourselves as bigger than we are. We are a small business. We're really only doing $250 million in sales. And when you get a couple of big things all happen at the same time, i.e., building a new plant in the Fluids Purification side, opening an office in China and growing your consumer business, this brand that you launched. So I mean, this I can tell you on a 52-week basis now, at retail, for 70-some-odd percent of the market, it achieves $35 million in sales. This is something we launched 2, 3 years ago. And you guys can put your own multiple on what a consumer brand is worth in terms of a multiple of sales. But it definitely -- when they get sold, not that we're selling, you just want to value it, they command a higher ring than private label sales or something like that. And for the first time in, I want to say, 15, 20 years, we're no longer #5. So we leapfrogged above the #4 player, and we are now #4. We'll see how all this shakes out. But if you take the growth of the category and then say what has Oil-Dri's share been of that growth, it will make us a major, major player in this category. So what that means is, if the category started over 6 months ago and you say, okay, what percentage of the growth of that does Oil-Dri represent, We'd be 1 of the top 2 players in this category. And so, will it keep playing out that way? Well, that remains to be seen. But at the moment, the consumer is voting, and it's very exciting, so we got to keep feeding this thing. It's very hard to monetize your return on investment in the short run when this is happening. But eventually, what happens is the sales will plateau, we'll get the spending, it will dictate what the appropriate level of spending is, and then, that's when my family and I, as the biggest shareholders, expect there to be a bottom line payout, but in the short run, we're very comfortable with continuing to let this thoroughbred run because it's winning in the marketplace. So thank you. We will see you and talk to you again at the end of the fourth quarter, our fiscal year end. And until then, be well.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. Have a great day.