Armen Panossian
Management
So I'll give you whatever I can on the three, I got to be a little bit mindful about publicly disclosing information. But William Morris, as you're familiar with, is a leading entertainment management and media rights company. You're right that directionally, with vaccine news and live events starting to come back, NBA in a bubble, baseball, et cetera, that's generally a good thing for William Morris. And our loan has nice call protection, has a pretty rich coupon relative to the pari passu, LIBOR plus $2.75 first lien term loan that the company has. And that term loan is something that could be observed in terms of trading prices in the market. And it's moved up nicely consistent with your intuition there. I think that's all I would say about William Morris. I would hesitate to drive forward guidance, because we also think that COVID cases are going to spike, so there's going to be some choppiness in the next few quarters. But the company has taken out some cost and is managing very well in terms of its liquidity needs for the foreseeable future. Zep. so Zep is a cleaning materials company. It did have some execution issues over the pre-COVID that resulted in the company looking more levered as a result of EBITDA declines. Directionally, you're right. People are cleaning more and sanitation products are doing better as is Zep. Now it remains levered and that's why we have it marked the way we do. But the leverage is, at least post COVID, heading in the right direction, as in down. But we don't feel comfortable marking it more aggressively, because we do still think that the company is more levered than we would like it to be and that's the reason why Zep is where it is. Now Dominion is a little bit of a different issue, it's a diagnostics laboratory company. They are modestly helped by the coronavirus but there's some puts and takes, because although there is more work being done around coronavirus and the company certainly benefits from that, there is a decline in elective surgeries, elective cases, going to the doctor for a checkup, et cetera, because of coronavirus as well. So there are puts and takes on that business. It's not, to use a basketball analogy, it's not nothing but net. There's some countervailing pressures as well. And as you know, we're going to be fair and err on the side of conservatism generally in the way we mark things. And we'd like to be proven wrong if and when it's appropriate that the company's performance necessitate a markup, but we don't want to be ahead of that curve.