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Q4 2024 Earnings Call· Mon, Feb 24, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Owens Corning's fourth quarter and full year 2024 earnings call. My name is Lydia, and I'll be your operator today. After the prepared remarks, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. If you'd like to participate in our Q&A, you can do so by pressing star followed by one on your telephone. We kindly ask that you limit yourself to one question. I'll now hand you over to Amber Wohlfarth, Vice President of Corporate Affairs and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Amber Wohlfarth

Management

Good morning. Thank you for taking the time to join us for today's conference call and review of our business results for the fourth quarter and full year 2024. Joining us today are Brian Chambers, Owens Corning's Chair and Chief Executive Officer, and Todd Fister, our Chief Financial Officer. Following our presentation this morning, we will open this one-hour call to your questions. In order to accommodate as many call participants as possible, please limit yourselves to one question only. Earlier this morning, we issued a news release and filed a 10-K that detailed our financial results for the fourth quarter and full year 2024. For the purposes of our discussion today, we have prepared presentation slides summarizing our performance and results and will refer to these slides during this call. You can access the earnings press release, Form 10-K, and the presentation slides at our website, owenscorning.com. Refer to the investors link under the corporate section of our homepage. A transcript and recording of this call and the supporting slides will be available on our website for future reference. Please reference slide two where we offer a couple of reminders. First, today's remarks will include forward-looking statements that are subject to risks, uncertainties, and other factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially. We undertake no obligation to update these statements beyond what is required under applicable securities laws. Please refer to the cautionary statements and the risk factors identified in our SEC filings for more detail. Second, the presentation slides in today's remarks contain non-GAAP financial measures. Explanations and reconciliations of non-GAAP to GAAP measures may be found in our earnings press release and presentation available on the investors section of our website, owenscorning.com. For those of you following along with our slide presentation, we'll begin on slide four. And now, opening remarks from our Chair and CEO, Brian Chambers. Brian?

Brian Chambers

Management

Thanks, Amber. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. During the call this morning, we will begin with a brief overview of our fourth quarter and full year 2024 results, before providing an update on the key strategic choices we've made over the past year as well as future investments we're making to position Owens Corning for long-term growth. Todd will then discuss our fourth quarter and full year financial results in greater detail. And I will come back to share expectations for our end markets and outlook for the first quarter. 2024 was a transformative year for Owens Corning as we successfully executed three major strategic moves to reshape and focus the company on building products in North America and Europe, while consistently delivering higher, more resilient earnings and cash flow. In addition to the acquisition of Masonite, the sale of our building materials business in Asia, and most recently, the sale of our glass reinforcements business, we also announced several capital investments to expand our capacity in highly profitable product lines that will further strengthen our market positions and drive organic growth. While market conditions were mixed across our business segments during the year, the combined power of our enterprise resulted in revenue, earnings, and cash flow growth. Through outstanding execution, we have demonstrated that Owens Corning is a best-in-class building products leader that consistently delivers strong financial performance and is positioned for future growth. Let me start a review of the quarter and the year with safety. In 2024, our team drove steady improvement of our already top-tier safety results through our Safer Together operating framework. Our recordable incident rate for the fourth quarter was 0.5, and we ended the year with a 25% reduction in injuries versus the prior year. Since acquiring Masonite…

Todd Fister

Management

Thank you, Brian, and good morning, everyone. As Brian mentioned, we finished the year with strong performance in the fourth quarter and outstanding results overall in 2024. We drove double-digit gains in top-line sales, adjusted EBITDA, and operating cash flow versus the prior year. Throughout 2024, the structural improvements we have made to the enterprise and the best-in-class commercial and operational execution from our team came through in our results. We have multiple paths to sustain our structurally higher EBITDA margin, deliver strong cash generation, and return significant cash to shareholders. By leveraging the strength of our Owens Corning operating model, delivering on the multiple organic investments in new highly efficient manufacturing plants, and executing our strategic plans to deliver the full potential of the Doors business, I'd now like to turn to Slide five to discuss the results for the quarter and the full year. In the fourth quarter, we delivered top-line and bottom-line growth. Adjusted earnings per diluted share for the fourth quarter were $3.22, in line with the prior year. For the full year 2024, adjusted EBIT grew to $2 billion, and adjusted EBITDA grew to $2.7 billion. Our roofing and insulation business segments delivered robust year-over-year margin expansion, driving an adjusted EBIT margin of 19% and adjusted EBITDA margin of 25% for the company overall. Our full-year adjusted earnings per diluted share were $15.91, up 10% from 2023. For the year, adjusting items, mostly noncash charges, tied to the three major strategic moves we made this year totaled approximately $910 million and are excluded from our full-year adjusted EBIT and adjusted EBITDA. They include $483 million of asset impairment charges resulting from the strategic review of our glass reinforcements business, $132 million of transaction and integration costs stemming from our acquisition of Masonite, which took place…

Brian Chambers

Management

Thank you, Todd. Throughout 2024, our team delivered great results, demonstrating the strength of our market positions and the impact of the strategic choices we have made over the past several years to position Owens Corning to deliver long-term growth, generate significant free cash flow, and sustain higher margins. Turning to our outlook, we expect our residential and commercial end markets to provide solid but mixed opportunities as we enter into the first half of 2025. In North America, we expect near-term demand for non-discretionary repair activity, especially in roofing, to remain stable, while residential new construction and other remodeling activity is expected to be weaker to start the year as interest rates remain elevated. Commercial construction activity is also expected to start the year slower than the prior year. And in Europe, we expect near-term market conditions to remain challenging but stable, similar to the second half of 2024. Within this environment, we still expect first-quarter revenue for continuing operations to grow mid-20% compared to the prior year's revenue of $2 billion after adjusting for glass reinforcement. For EBITDA, we expect to deliver another strong quarter of low 20% for the enterprise. Now, consistent with prior calls, I'll provide a more detailed business-specific outlook for the first quarter. Starting with our roofing business, we anticipate our revenue for the legacy roofing segment to be in line with the prior year. We expect our market shipments to be flat to slightly down versus the prior year. We anticipate our shipments to be relatively flat as distributors continue to see high demand for our products and are expected to build inventory of our shingles. For components, we anticipate volumes in the quarter to be down versus the prior year as we expect another quarter of attachment rates normalizing. We expect positive…

Amber Wohlfarth

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Please press star followed by the number one if you'd like to ask a question. Ensure your device is unmuted locally when it's your time to speak. A kind reminder to please limit yourself to one question only.

Anthony Pettinari

Operator

Our first question today comes from Anthony Pettinari with Citi. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Anthony Pettinari

Operator

Good morning. I was wondering if you could walk through maybe in a little bit more detail potential tariff impacts and the mitigation strategies that you referenced. And if there's any way to kind of quantify either percentage of COGS, percentage of sales, or just any of the platform, you know, components of it.

Todd Fister

Management

Good morning, Anthony. It's Todd. Appreciate the question. When we step back, we look at our execution over a longer period of time, the last five years, and we've been in a lot of different markets. We were in the COVID period where demand was really weak, the COVID period where demand was really strong. We had supply chain challenges, we had an inflationary period, we had relatively mixed markets last year. And I think what you've seen from us is really consistent execution through all those periods driving, you know, good stable high EBITDA margins as well as free cash generation. When we look at tariff exposure, as Brian shared in his comments, we are mostly local for local. We produce with significantly local cost of goods sold for local customers. When we look then at what our tariff exposure could be, if we look at all of the discussed tariffs, so, China, steel and aluminum, as well as Canada and Mexico, the scope that you're looking at is five percent or less of our total cost for the enterprise. So when we think about that, a lot of that is finished goods, where we've got an integrated supply chain across North America, where we're supplying product from Mexico and Canada into the US. It's not really a big deal in our roofing business. It's sort of a de minimis exposure in roofing. So when you think about that COGS exposure or the cost exposure across the enterprise, it's about two-thirds doors and then about one-third of insulation. And as I started with, you know, our track record of execution is we're in dynamic markets. And as we face those dynamic markets, we use all the tools that we have available to us to offset that in the short run and in the long term and get back to market-leading margins. Appreciate the question, Anthony.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Michael Rehaut with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Michael Rehaut

Analyst · JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to focus on pricing trends as you see them coming out of 2024 and into 2025, especially around your residential markets. I think there's been various amounts of concern regarding, as you kind of alluded to, the potentially softer start in some of the new res and repair model segments. How are you thinking about pricing power in 2025, particularly, I mean, across, you know, if you could kind of hit on insulation, roofing, and doors, and if there's any, you know, changes perhaps that you might be anticipating this year relative to the pricing power you've enjoyed over the last couple of years?

Brian Chambers

Management

Thanks, Mike. I'll start. Maybe I'll have Todd join in as we walk through. If I step back, I think we've had very good pricing trends in our core residential insulation businesses, our technical insulation business, our roofing business. And we're stepping into the market now with the doors business. So I think across the product platforms, we have seen some mixed end market conditions through 2024 and into 2025, and that's probably leading to a little bit of mixed pricing trends that we're seeing. But overall, I'd say within our roofing business, you know, we continue to see good demand for our products. We continue to bring great value to our customers. And so there, you've seen really positive price cost over the last year through some of the price realization that we've gotten through the increases last year. We've got another one announced in April in roofing. And given the strength of the market conditions we see in front of us, the strength of our product offering, you know, we would expect to continue to see good realization there. In the doors business, I think we've seen a little bit of mixed end markets. Overall, the pricing in the market is relatively stable as we start the year, which is good to see. Our pricing moves that we've seen, a little bit of pricing headwinds that you're seeing in our outlook is really related to our focused moves to get our price points in the market in line with historic premiums that we've had in the market relative to our service, our quality, and our innovation. But in terms of stability in the market, we're seeing relatively good stability on the pricing. But some of the pricing moves we're making that we made in the back half of the year and in the fourth quarter, we're going to see some carryover effects as we get those price points stabilized in the market. And then maybe I'll pass over to Todd. He can talk a little bit more about some of the pricing trends in the residential markets.

Todd Fister

Management

Mike, this is Todd. Appreciate the question. So when we step back and look at res, in insulation, we've said before, we think the industry can serve a market around 1.4 to 1.5 million housing starts. And that was before we saw, you know, the big shift towards single-family from multifamily. When we look at single-family, we see about 30% higher take per unit for a start than with multifamily. So we're in a market where we're still seeing good demand trends. Recent starts activity has been right around that level of 1.4 to 1.5 million, and we think utilization is still at healthy levels for the industry. Our estimates would be in Q4, you know, we were into the high 90% range of utilization for insulation in these markets. So we had positive price in Q4. Our guide for Q1 is positive price in res insulation. We know how to navigate through markets like these where, you know, there is a bit of noise from builders and others right now as we start the year, but that's not uncommon in res. We'll execute the way we have been in these markets to make sure we drive the right price points in the market for the year. Appreciate the questions, Mike.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from John Lovallo with UBS. Your line is open.

John Lovallo

Analyst · UBS. Your line is open.

Good morning, guys. Excuse me. Thank you for taking my call. The question is, I guess, roofing will include about $130 million of revenue from structural lumber, nonwovens, and insulation, about $30 million from the glass fiber plants. How do we think about the cadence of that as we move through the year? Should we expect the revenue contribution to just step up seasonally, or what's the right way to think about that?

Brian Chambers

Management

Yeah. Thanks, John. I think you can think about the revenue in that side of the business as being fairly consistent across the year. There's a little bit of seasonality on the nonwoven side that we see in the fourth quarter because some of that production is tied to roofing demand, which tends to slow down a little bit in the fourth quarter on seasonality. But overall, you could kind of look at those revenue guides as pretty ratable in terms of quarterly guides going forward in the business. And then the margin profile is going to stay again very consistent with the underlying businesses that we've attached those to. So maybe a little bit of better color on why we're doing that and how that's setting up. You know, when we go back and talk about the composites business overall, when we announced our strategic review, it was really focused on the glass reinforcements business. More industrial base, not really fitting in this long-term strategy of the company to focus on building products. So when we look at, though, nonwovens, lumber, those businesses are very focused in building products. It gives great capabilities in the roofing business with a vertical integration play. The lumber business uses distribution partners and a go-to-market strategy very similar to shingles. So we thought bringing the nonwovens and lumber business into roofing gives us great operational efficiencies and great commercial opportunities to kind of expand the growth of those product lines. But then in the nonwovens business, we make a specialty fiber called WUX, have two facilities in North America, and we wanted to maintain that vertical integration supply chain for supply security because the WUX and nonwovens are so critical to the support of our roofing profitability. So but those are glass melting operations. We felt those were best served operationally to sit inside our insulation business. So I think there's an operational and commercial rationale for why we place these businesses with roofing and insulation. And again, I think what you're seeing in our guide and our outlook is that these are going to be businesses that generate margin profiles very similar to the underlying roofing and insulation businesses that they're sitting in. So we think they're going to be a good fit operationally and give us good margin stability going forward in the businesses.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Sam Reid with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Sam Reid

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Awesome. Thanks so much. Wanted to touch on some of the capacity that's coming online later this year in roofing. And specifically, could you talk to the margin lift from mix? It should come from incremental laminate capacity. I think especially as some of that is replacing some lower margin strip shingle capacity that's coming offline. Thanks so much.

Brian Chambers

Management

Thanks, Sam. Yeah. We've not really gotten into the details of splitting margin profiles performance between strips and laminates, but you're absolutely correct in saying that we would expect to see a positive mix shift with more laminate sales. And in fact, that's been a driver to the margin performance in the business over the last several years and our ability to raise the margin outlooks and sustain the margins we have today is that mix of laminate shingles relative to strips, the mix of components. So there's a few factors inside the mix where we don't get specific, but in terms of the strip to laminate differential, but it does bring a higher profile. And we're seeing this as a mixed shift overall in the market. I've talked about this in the past few calls. And we look overall on the market dynamics, we've kind of seen this point and a half mix shift from strips to laminates in the industry. And that's really why we've been investing so heavily to find additional throughput in our existing network, to define additional laminate capacity, and why we've made the decision to convert the Medina facility from strip to laminate. So to your point, that facility, we expect to be coming online midyear. Hundred additional laminates. So that'll rank up and rate up through the back half of this year and then full production into next. So that gives us a great platform in terms of growth in the Midwest, with a product offering that we need more capacity to service the customer demand.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And next question comes from Matthew Bouley with Barclays. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Matthew Bouley

Analyst · Barclays. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Morning, everyone. Thank you for taking the question. I wanted to ask on the new roofing capacity or the new plant. So I guess in an industry that is also adding capacity beyond your own over the next couple of years, you know, depending on where we go with demand, it would be helpful if you could give us some perspective on how you think about kind of the impact of new capacity on the roofing industry margins and roofing industry price and kind of how you think about the incentives of getting plant utilization to a certain level. Thank you.

Brian Chambers

Management

Okay. Thank you. Let me walk through first, I guess, our view and why we're adding capacity, then I can touch on the industry side. You know, for us, we're very excited to be adding a new plant in the network. As I mentioned, you know, in talking with Sam, you know, the teams have done great work, I think, to increase the efficiencies of our existing network. But even through all of those capacity increases in terms of the laminate production that we're opening up, we still continue to run full out. We still have extended service cycles, and we have very limited opportunity to continue to service the growth we're seeing for our product platforms. So we're excited to be adding into the Southeast. It is the largest asphalt shingle market in the country. And when you look at population trends into the Southeast, we think that just continues to grow. It's also a market that sees quite a lot of storm activity. And while that's not easy to predict, when you think about the incremental storm demand that gets created pretty frequently, right now, we have very limited capacity with our three plants that are in the region today to service any of that incremental demand. So that would give us opportunities to service more incremental storm demand as we see moving forward. And then lastly, for us, it really gives us enough of a capacity platform in that region that we can start looking at potentially servicing other regions in a different way. So we can change service cycles that create additional capacity up in the Midwest, into the Southwest, and that gives us a lot of opportunities. And our view when we look at the additional capacity in the newer network, if to your point,…

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Stephen Kim with Evercore. Please go ahead.

Stephen Kim

Analyst · Evercore. Please go ahead.

Yeah. Thanks very much, guys. Appreciate it. Thinking on the utilization rates, insulation, I think you indicated that utilization rates were at the high nineties in the fourth quarter. I believe that was for fiberglass in North America. Can you talk about what utilization rates look like across your technical footprint? And then also with the glass plants that you're transferring to the business, the glass melters, I guess I mean. Can you give us a sense for what the annual DNA looks like associated with those two facilities? And I think you said that margins are going to be pretty similar. Was just wondering, because in the roofing side, the business margins are so high. I just want to make sure that we kind of had a sense. Are you talking within a couple of hundred basis points here, or does similar mean, you know, something much broader than that? Thanks.

Todd Fister

Management

Good morning, Stephen. Thanks for the questions. Let me start with the question around what we're seeing within technical and global insulation. So when we look at North America, the bulk of that business in North America actually uses similar assets to what we have on the res side. So we are seeing, you know, relatively healthy and attractive utilization rates on North America fiberglass as well. When you look at technical and global, the areas we've seen a lot of weakness really are the international markets and especially Europe and Asia. Clearly, we haven't announced a transaction to divest of Asia. So Europe really is our remaining big global exposure for technical and global. When we look at that business, our team has performed extremely well in difficult market conditions. Since we saw the Ukraine war begin, we've seen demand be soft in Europe, and our team has been laser-focused on the cost structure and the cash generation potential of that business. Really repositioning it for the market conditions that we're in, and they've done a phenomenal job with that over the last couple of years. So we are in a position where there is excess capacity in Europe in Stonewall. And when that market comes back, we are really well-positioned to take advantage of really attractive incremental margins in Europe on the basis of all the work we've done the last couple of years in weaker market conditions. To take full advantage of it. When you look at the second question you had around resegmentation and what it means for the different businesses. When you look at the two WUX plants that Brian mentioned that we're adding to the insulation business, you can think of the DNA structure of that as being pretty similar to overall composites. When you look at the nonwovens plants, we have invested a lot of capital in that business the last few years to add capacity because those are growing very attractive markets for us. But the structural requirements for CapEx going forward for nonwovens look more like the roofing business in terms of these assets being placed and then they don't require ongoing rebuilds in the kind of heavy maintenance cycle we would see in our glass melting or our stone melting facilities, which is part of the logic of why we integrate those into the roofing segment. So there is a bit more DNA today for nonwovens as a result of the investments that we've made. But you should not read anything into that in terms of the ongoing capital intensity or rebuild cycle because it's very, very different for those assets than traditional glass melting assets. Steven.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Brian Biras with research. Your line's open.

Brian Biras

Analyst

Hey. Good morning. Thank you for taking my question. On R&R side, I guess, on R&R demand, if it comes in a little bit better for the year or just whenever it starts to pick back up, that should be a boost to the door segment just given the R&R aspect there. How are you guys thinking about price versus volume and share gains for the door segment when R&R returns to growth? Thank you.

Brian Chambers

Management

Yeah. Thanks, Brian. I think we're looking for that kind of rebound and recovery as we move into 2025 across the board. Because as you know, the doors business is pretty evenly mixed between new construction and R&R activity, a little bit more skewed towards new construction, but a big part in the R&R front. We've seen that fairly weak through 2024, and we do expect that to improve as we go through the year. So when we think about that price line share, I would say, look, we are applying the same operating model in our doors business that we've been successfully running inside our insulation business and inside our roofing business. Which is a focus to grow the business by starting with being very customer-centric and focused on how we can help our customers win and grow in the market. We're focused on increasing product and process innovation that brings new products to market and drives efficiency, and we're focused on great manufacturing performance, service, quality, and cost competitiveness. So when we think about how we're going to manage as we go forward in the business, we want to start with we want to drive customer growth through our products, through innovation, through our service, through our quality, and that's the playbook that we've been running, and we're seeing some momentum starting to pick up with that playbook. Our volumes in Q4 were a little better. Our commercial teams have done great work really, you know, building and strengthening our distribution partnerships. We're looking at investments in terms of downstream pull-through activities with lumber dealers and other customers. We're focused on the home centers in terms of driving our service proposition. So I think we're going to be focused always on pricing to value. And we carry a price premium today based on our value proposition that we think is going to continue. But we're going to stay focused on winning with our customers, and we think as the markets recover, that's going to drive good volume growth for us and good margin improvement for us as we go forward.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Trevor Allinson with Wolfe Research. Your line's open.

Trevor Allinson

Analyst

Hi. Good morning. Thank you for taking my question. First, going back to roofing margins, 2025, maybe excluding any impact from the nonwovens. You've got a couple of price increases in 2024 that carry over. You've got another one for April. You did mention some cost inflation, but you're also expecting to be priced cost positive. So should we think about pretty healthy core roofing margins year over year as we go into 2025, or are there any other notable offsets we should be considering? Thanks.

Brian Chambers

Management

Yeah, Trevor. Now I think you're thinking about it the right way. I think we're set up for another very good year in roofing. You've outlined the price carryover we're seeing. We are going to and we expect to see more inflation in the year than last year. So we're expecting that as we've started the year, we're starting to see those come through. So there's a little bit of inflation headwinds. And we're also seeing some investment headwinds in just some of the upgrades to the facilities that we're going to see. So probably some increased maintenance and potential downtime as we continue to just make those adjustments to improve the efficiency and laminate capacity on the existing networks. But I think overall, you've got it dialed in. The first quarter, probably the a little bit of headwind we're still seeing is in the components volume. And this again is just the last quarter that I would expect us to see that kind of year-over-year negative comp. The run rate of our components volumes and the attachment rates have been very consistent. Q2, Q3, Q4 of last year. They're holding up as we start the year. So there's nothing underlying the decline in component volumes. It's just we were resetting off a very strong year in 2023 where there were some supply shortages that we thought caused some purchases that aren't repeating. But that's kind of the only near-term headwind here in Q1 that we're seeing in terms of some of the lower volumes. But outside of that, as we move through the rest of the year, we see good demand on the repair side, the R&R side. We've got some storm carryover that we're bringing into the year. So I think we're set up for a good first half.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from Philip Ng with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Philip Ng

Analyst · Jefferies. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Hey, guys. Doors is still a very new business for me, so I just wanted to drill down on that a little bit, Brian. I think if I heard you correctly, you're dialing back some of your pricing to kind of be more in line with the broader market. And when I look at your margins, you're guiding it to drifting closer to low teens, low double digits, from mid-teens. So I guess my question to you is what's your path to getting margins back to mid-teens this year? And I believe, you know, that business probably has a little more risk as it relates to tariffs. Just help us understand the Colombian lumber exposure. Do you have any of that? Any hardware to that gives me some concerns about, you know, cost being a little more elevated, pricing a little more challenging. Just kind of help us think through the path for profitability in that doors business this year.

Brian Chambers

Management

Yeah. Thanks. So let me start with your back end. You know, we're not terribly exposed to a lot of input materials. We've reshuffled the supply chain, so nothing out of Colombia lumber, things like that. We're not seeing that. We've really kind of dialed in most of our input materials being in local supply. We're still bringing some in from Asia, but that's, you know, not any major concern in terms of driving additional tariff inflation. What Todd said, and this is important to call out though, we do operate a very integrated supply chain for finished good materials inside the doors business particularly. Or we will do production in Monterrey, Mexico, and we'll bring that into the US. We'll do production in the US and bring it into Canada, and vice versa. So our exposure is going to be in finished goods, not input materials. And that's why we're more exposed indoors because of that integrated supply chain we built. And then we're also exposed in insulation on that because also that integrated supply chain where we move finished goods products across borders pretty seamlessly to service our customers. So, you know, that's going to be a little bit longer-term issue if those tariffs come in in terms of how we offset those. But having said that, I think the underlying fundamental of the business that we're seeing now that's kind of stepped up is just the volume headwinds. So our path to improving margins is consisting of, one, we continue to drive the integration synergies, and we're seeing that across the board particularly on sourcing and OpEx savings as we bring the business together. So that's a source of just cost savings that we continue to see ramping up that's going to drop through the bottom line.…

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Garik Shmois with Loop Capital. Your line's open.

Garik Shmois

Analyst

Oh, hi. Thank you. I had a question just on the CapEx increase for 2025. I was wondering if you could speak to what's incremental this year and what would be a good maintenance CapEx figure to use when considering the divestment of the what was a highly capital-intensive GR business?

Todd Fister

Management

Thanks, Garik. I'll take that. So when we look at the step-up in CapEx this year, it's really driven by the increase in the major projects that we've discussed on the call for growth, for productivity, for sustainability investments that position us for future earnings growth and cash flow growth in the future. So in the near term, we would expect this stepped-up level to continue as many of these projects are multiyear projects from start to finish. Long term, though, I would go back to the guidance that we've consistently given externally, which is we want to build a business that structurally is in the 4% to 5% of sales range in terms of ongoing CapEx. We've added a doors business that is very capital efficient. And we're really going to like the cash flows of that business as the markets improve and the volume returns because the ongoing capital requirements are really modest. And we're under contract to sell the most capital-intensive piece of our business, the glass reinforcements element. So when we look at that, we think that, plus the investments we're making in a very modern fleet of assets, position us for attractive ongoing capital requirements as we go forward. We just have to work through this near-term period as we wrap up some of those major projects.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We're now out of time for further questions, so I'll pass back to Brian Chambers for any closing comments.

Brian Chambers

Management

Okay. Thanks, Lydia. I'd like to thank everyone for making time to join us on today's call and your ongoing interest in Owens Corning. We look forward to speaking with you again on our first-quarter call, and I hope everyone will be able to join us at our Investor Day in May in Toledo. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect your line.