Origin Bancorp, Inc. (OBK) Q4 2021 Earnings Report, Transcript and Summary

00:02 Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Origin Bancorp, Inc's Fourth Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. . After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please also note, today's event is being recorded. 00:27 At this time, I'd like to turn the conference call over to Chris Reigelman, Head of Investor Relations. Sir, please go ahead.

00:37 Good morning, and thank you for joining us today. We issued our earnings press release yesterday afternoon, a copy of which is available on our website along with the slide presentation that we will refer to during this presentation. Please refer to Slide 2 of our slide presentation, which includes our Safe Harbor Statement regarding forward-looking statements and the use of non-GAAP financial measures. 00:57 For those of you joining by phone, please note, the slide presentation is available on our website at www.origin.bank. Please also note, our Safe Harbor Statements are available on page 6 of our earnings press release that we filed with the SEC yesterday. All comments made during today's call are subject to the Safe Harbor Statements in our slide presentation and earnings release. 01:19 I'm joined this morning by Origin Bancorp's Chairman, President and CEO, Drake Mills; Chief Financial Officer, Steve Brolly; President CEO of Origin Bank, Lance Hall; our Chief Risk Officer, Jim Crotwell; and our Chief Credit and Banking Officer, Preston Moore. After the presentation, we will be happy to address any questions you may have. 01:39 Now, I'll turn the call over to you Drake.

01:43 Thank you, Chris, and good morning. Looking back on the past quarter and the full year, I am pleased with our results and what we have accomplished as a company. Moving into 2022, we are deliberate and purposeful in how we execute through our planning process that is focused on creating sustainable long-term value. Our success places us in a position of strength as we take advantage of positive operating leverage. 02:05 You can see that we had an impressive fourth quarter and a full year 2021. We ended December with $7.9 billion in total assets, $5.2 billion in loans and $6.6 billion in deposits. Lance will provide more detail regarding our loan deposit growth, but I want to steal a little thunder of his and mention that we showed 5.7% growth in loans excluding PPP and mortgage warehouse quarter-over-quarter, which is 23% annualized. 02:33 As we begin 2021, we felt confident in our ability to deliver high single-digit loan growth, and that's exactly what our bankers delivered. Again, backing out PPP and mortgage warehouse, we saw an increase of $404 million or 9.9% year-over-year. I'll save the deposit growth for Lance, but I'm pleased with how our bankers continue to deliver strong growth, the core organic relationships. 02:58 Looking at our income statement, I'm proud of our results for the quarter and the year. We finished the quarter with record net income of $28.3 million or $1.20 diluted earnings per share. Our net interest margin was 3.06% on a tax equivalent basis, and our efficiency ratio was 56.92%. 03:17 For the full year, we had record net income of $108.5 million or $4.60 diluted earnings per share. Our pre-tax pre-provision earnings was $122 million for 2021, up 17% year-over-year. Our efficiency ratio improved in 2021 even with slight increases in non-interest expense, which Steve will go through later in the presentation. 03:39 Our primary strategy that continues to be front and center for our management team is the efficiency of this company. As we are focused on expense management, we will always be mindful of the investments in people and infrastructure that produce stronger revenue streams. This has been evident in our investment in the Texas market, which you can see on Slide 9. Our Texas bankers grew loans $373 million and grew deposits $558 million in 2021. 04:06 When you look at the last five years, we've grown loans and deposits at a compound annual growth rate of over 21% and 28%, respectively. We've had incredible success in DFW in Houston with the way our teams produce. This applies to our legacy bankers as well as our lift-out teams. We will continue to leverage our infrastructure and aggressively pursue the most talented bankers in our market. 04:28 Now, I'll turn it over to Lance.

04:31 Thanks, Drake. We had another strong quarter of growth and I'm proud of the meaningful results our bankers have produced. Origin has always had the philosophy that our success comes directly from having the right people. We certainly have high-quality bankers who have attracted high-quality relationships throughout all of our markets. We've been purposeful and strategic with client selection. This has been and will continue to pay off for us as we continue to focus on the client experience and being trusted advisors. 04:58 On Slide 10, you can see dynamic organic loan growth of over 50% and a compound annual growth rate of 10.8%, and our loan portfolio, excluding PPP and mortgage warehouse over the last five years. As you dissect, the core of our loan business excluding PPP and look specifically at C&I, owner occupied CRE and owner occupied C&D, we show five year growth of 37% with a compound annual growth rate of 8.2%. 05:30 Drake appropriately bragged on our bankers production in the fourth quarter as loans held for investment excluding PPP and warehouse grew $241.5 million or 5.7% compared to the linked quarter, which is 23% on an annualized basis. I'm also pleased that we delivered 9.9% loan growth for the year. 05:53 In prior quarters, we've spoken in detail as to how we were able to use the PPP program to deliver for our clients in a time of need during the initial impact of the pandemic. At the end of 2021, we have $105.8 million of PPP loans outstanding with $3 million of net deferred fees remaining. We expect to recognize the balance of those fees in the first-half of 2022. 06:18 On Slide 12, you can see an overview of our deposit trends. We have and will continue to place a high-level of focus on growing non-interest bearing deposits. In the fourth quarter, average non-interest bearing deposits increased $145 million compared to the linked quarter, and now represent over 33% of total average deposits. Year-over-year we saw an increase of average non-interest bearing deposits of $425 million or 25.2%. Core deposits remain at the center of how we truly value a loyal relationship. 06:51 Regardless of the environment, Origin clearly understands the significance of the core deposit relationship and will continue to emphasize that philosophy with our bankers. In 2021, our bankers responded by growing average core deposits by $1.37 billion or 30.3%. This growth took place while our cost of total deposits decreased 12 basis points year-over-year. 07:16 At Origin, we place a high-level of focus on leveraging technology to drive value for our company. During the past year, along with other initiatives, we launched a new website, increased our partnerships with FinTechs, and integrated robotics in the many of our processes. This focus on technology is a major component of our vision statement and what we believe is critical to enhancing the client experience and creating long-term sustainability. 07:42 Now, I'll turn it over to Jim to go through our credit quality metrics.

07:47 Thanks, Lance. As you can see on Slide 14, our overall credit quality continues to improve as evidenced by our continued reduction in classified loans. Classified loans held for investment as a percentage of total loans held for investment net of PPP loans reduced to 1.35% as of year-end, reflecting a 35% reduction from the level a year ago. 08:10 Past due loans held for investment to total loans held for investment net of PPP loans ended the quarter at 0.50%, which is consistent with the levels reported throughout the year. Non-performing loans held for investment to loans held for investments net of PPP also remained stable at 0.49%. 08:29 Lastly, annualized net charge-offs for the quarter to average loans held for investment came in at 0.22%, down 2 basis points from Q3, and is also been stable throughout 2021. Based on these metrics, as well as our ongoing review of our portfolio, we continue to be extremely pleased with the stability and resiliency of our portfolio, which continues to be driven by our focus on relationship banking. 08:56 We decreased our allowance for credit losses to $64.6 million, a $5.4 million reduction from quarter-end Q3. As of year-end 2021, our reserve represented 1.23% of loans held for investment, and 1.43% of loans held for investment net of PPP and mortgage warehouse loans. The decrease in the reserve was driven by the improving credit quality as well as continued improving economic forecast. 09:24 With that said, we continue to keep a close eye on the Omicron variant and its potential impact on economic conditions, as well as inflationary pressures, continue supply chain disruptions, and labor shortages and their potential impact. All-in-all, we are very pleased with the overall performance and stability of our portfolio. 09:43 I'll now turn it over to Steve.

09:46 Thanks, Jim. I'll start on Slide 15. Our total yields on loans held for investment increased 6 basis points in Q4, which includes the impact of PPP loan forgiveness. Excluding the impact of PPP loans, our yield on loans held for investment decreased 4 basis points in the quarter. 10:03 Top right graph shows the continued decrease in our cost of funds, as our total cost of deposits was 19 basis points for the quarter, representing a 39% decrease from the fourth quarter 2020. 10:15 On the bottom right graph, you'll see our fixed and variable loan composition. As an asset sensitive bank with approximately 60% of our loans floating, increased interest rates will be beneficial for Origin. We expect to generate an approximate incremental $20 million or 9.1% in net interest income from 100 basis point parallel shift in interest rates. 10:38 At December 31, 2021, 51% of our Prime and one month LIBOR index loans have no interest rate below their floor interest rate. With an increase of 50 basis points only 20% of our Prime and one month LIBOR index loans will have no interest rate below their floor interest rate. With the total of 100 basis point increase that percentage decreased to 7.2%. 11:04 Slide 16 shows our recent net interest income and NIM trends. The graph on the left shows our 4 quarter trends of income and NIM. Our net interest income increased $1.6 million representing a 3% quarter-over-quarter increase. Excluding PPP and mortgage warehouse, our net interest income increased from $42.9 million to $45 million or 5% quarter-over-quarter. We believe that our net interest income will continue to improve in 2022. 11:35 The graph on the top right shows the change in net interest income, excluding PPP and mortgage warehouse loans of $2.2 million from the third to the fourth quarter. Every balance sheet component improved compared to the prior quarter, with interest from investment securities increasing $1.2 million and real estate and C&I loan income contributing $673,000. 12:00 The bottom graph shows our NIM quarterly changes with lower yielding securities contributing to a largest negative impact due to the fourth quarter having a full quarter impact on the investment securities purchase that was made in the latter part of the third quarter. 12:15 Slide 17 is our net revenue distribution. The top left shows our net revenue growth since our IPO and the 4Q '21 over 3Q '21 increase of $2.4 million. The bottom left graph details our non-interest income lines. Mortgage banking revenues increased 5% in the third quarter to the fourth quarter. Insurance commission and fee income, which is a seasonal revenue producer, increased 3.5% compared to the fourth quarter of 2020. 12:48 We added new table this quarter to give clarity to the components of other non-interest income, which is on the top right. During the fourth quarter, we completed the acquisition of the remaining 62% of the Lincoln insurance agency. The accounting rules require us to fair value our original 38% investment and that produced $5.2 million fair value gain. 13:10 Slide 18, our non-interest expense analysis, we reported total non-interest expense of $40.4 million, an increase of $1.2 million compared to the third quarter. The main driver of this increase was an additional $900,000 incentive accrual primarily due to the growth in loan production. We continue to focus on efficiencies, support our growth and the bottom graph represents our quarterly operating leverage and efficiency ratio trend. 13:39 Now, I'll turn it over to Drake.

13:42 Thanks, Steve. Our capital position has supported our strong organic growth, while allowing us to continue building valuable partnerships. I mentioned on our last call that we would close two end-market insurance acquisitions in the fourth quarter. Those partnerships were successfully finalized in December, having a slight impact on capital. We are in a strong position, and, as I have consistently stated, we will continue to take an opportunistic and disciplined approach in deploying our capital in ways that we believe will be beneficial to our shareholders and drive long-term value. 14:14 2021 was a great year for our company. We executed on our strategic plan and delivered on what we told the market we would do. We produced strong organic growth, took advantage of dislocation in the market, attracted highly-talented bankers, effectively managed our expense structure, maintain strong credit quality and significantly grow our Texas franchise. 14:35 I am proud of the employees of Origin and what they accomplished in 2021. They remain committed to our culture, which is unique and separates us from others in our market, and continues to be a competitive advantage. This was reinforced this year by being recognized by American Banker Magazine as the Third Best Bank to Work For in America. 14:55 The Origin vision is to combine the power of trusted advisors with innovative technology to build unwavering loyalty by connecting people to their dreams. Our vision is clearly in focus. We are strategic and intentional about following the vision to drive us to attract highly-talented bankers who want to be a part of an award-winning culture and continue to build a best-in-class growth story. 15:18 Thank you for being on the call today, and we'll open it up for questions.

15:26 Ladies and gentlemen, at this time we'll begin the question-and-answer session. Our first question today comes from Matt Olney from Stephens. Please go ahead with your question.

15:53 Thanks. Good morning, everybody.

15:55 Good morning, Matt.

15:57 I want to start with the loan growth, and it's great to see the robust loan growth when I take out PPP and mortgage warehouse. Any more colors on the driver of the loan growth in the fourth quarter? And if you could speak to utilization rates or paydowns or anything else that you think is more notable as far as the driver? And then as you look into 2022, what type of growth do you expect ex-PPP and mortgage warehouse?

16:29 Yeah. Hey, Matt. Good morning, this is Lance. We started last year, I was very confident that we were going to get high single-digit loan growth, so I was really pleased in the third quarter and fourth quarter to see that come to fruition. We felt very confident all year on our pipelines and the conversations with our Presidents, and we kind of walked into Q4 with about a $300 million pipeline at the time and that came out great. 16:55 Texas continues to be the huge driver for us, almost 100% of the loan growth came in the Texas markets as those investments in Dallas and Fort Worth and Houston continue to pay off. On a going forward basis, we just feel like we are an organization that is built to grow from our geographic management model to the way that we (ph) the culture that we have built that allows us to lift-out teams. 17:21 So if you look at Slides 9 and 10 of the slide deck, we're traditionally growing about 20% in Texas, which is equating to double-digit loan growth for the company, and we think that's going to continue next year.

17:37 So Lance, if I layer in that 20% plus growth in Texas along with the other markets, do we get back to the high single-digit level on a combined basis? Is that a fair way to look at it?

17:52 Yeah. Matt, I would say from a budget perspective, we're budgeting 10% loan growth. I mean, we think we can drive double-digit loan growth. It was also great to see in Q4 our line utilization get back to historic levels. We went from 42% to 48% in utilization, which equated about $113 million in C&I growth in that area. The fact that the vast majority of this was C&I, which is where we like to drive this business. It was overall just a really, really good quarter for us and we see that continuing into next year.

18:26 Okay. That's great, Lance. And then on the deposit side, also some really strong growth in the fourth quarter, would love to hear your thoughts on how sticky that deposit growth is? Just trying to pit shape anything seasonal could be in the fourth quarter numbers and then same thing, expectations for deposit growth as you roll into 2022.

18:51 We have continued to incent bankers on core deposit growth, specifically NIBs and you've seen we've got our NIB and that was a stated goal, though the last few years we've had to get over 30% NIB on our portfolio, and I think we've gotten up to 33% now. From a seasonal perspective, we do have public funds here in our core markets in North Louisiana through some of the tax dollars you see $100 million to $150 million ramp up there at the end of the quarter that will work itself back out through the year as those dollars get distributed. 19:25 But then we also chart that year-over-year and we always continue to see slight growth in that portfolio book of business. So something that we are continuing to strive to do and we're now at this point down to 79% loan to deposit ratio and we feel like we've got a great opportunity to put that liquidity to work in our loan portfolio.

19:48 Okay. Thanks, Lance. And then just lastly on the fee side, there were few moving pieces in the fourth quarter. I think you called out the fair value gain, but I'm guessing as we look into the first quarter we should get some more benefit from insurance income from the closing of those two deals in December. Can you point us to a range or a landing spot for us to think about for first quarter as you integrate all these different items? Thanks.

20:20 And you're talking about total fees, you're not just talking about insurance.

20:23 Correct.

20:25 Go ahead, Steve.

20:26 I'm going to start with a subset for insurance just so you could see, because that's going to be little bit larger and everything else. Insurance is about $13 million this year, we expect that to be about $20 million in 2022. 20:41 Other than that, we expect mortgage to increase about 6% and all the other fees to increase low single-digit numbers. Now swap fees, we really don't think, if rates increase swap fees probably won't increase. And then the last piece really limited partnership income, we normally budget that kind of flat, but thinking maybe a $1 million a year, but that is very volatile.

21:10 Got it. Okay. Thank you, guys.

21:14 Thank you, Matt.

21:17 And ladies and gentlemen, this is the conference operator. Are you able to hear me?

21:20 We can hear you loud and clear now. How us?

21:23 I can hear you loud and clear. I apologize for that. We were having a technical issue. I do have control of the Q&A. So our next question today comes from Brad Milsaps from Piper Sandler. Sir, please go ahead.

21:36 Hey, good morning, guys.

21:37 Good morning, Brad.

21:40 Thanks for taking my questions. May be one to start with, the expenses you guys done, really a nice job last couple of years keeping a pretty tight lid of cost. Lot of discussion about expense inflation. You guys are a growth company, I know you've got expenses coming in from the consolidation of those insurance companies as well. So Steve, just curious if you give us a good kind of jumping-off point for expenses in 2022? And maybe kind of how that relates to your hiring plans as well?

22:13 Yeah, Brad. To make this simple, let's just use the starting point coming out of the fourth quarter of $40.3 million a quarter. And I’m very pleased with the fact -- let's say that's $161.2 million run rate, and pleased with the fact that we're looking at about a 3.1% increase in expense for the core bank. And we've spent a tremendous amount of time. There is wage inflation and wage pressure and a number of things that we are dealing with, but after we got through the budget came back in as a team, look at what our opportunities were as a growth company and paying for production and the majority of that is production. We're going to see about a 3.1% increase in the core bank. 22:56 If you add on the increase for the insurance agency, that's another 3.4%, about $1.35 million a quarter. So, we feel pretty good that even though you might look at that as a 6.76% increase that the core banks at 3.1% going into a highly productive year. And I would say a good bit of that 3.1% expense was put on with the non-producers in the third and fourth quarter, that's just starting to come into effect. So we're getting that production, we're seeing some good things. We're being able to hold on operating expenses and very pleased with where we're going to come in.

23:40 Thanks, Drake. So if I understand, if I kind of annualize the fourth quarter, maybe add another 3% to that plus the insurance companies that should get me pretty close.

23:50 Yeah. And I'll help add a little bit. In my math it’s probably -- I'm going to say a $43 million run rate with everything baked in.

24:03 Got it. Very helpful. And Steve, I think you said last quarter that your interest rate sensitivity table assumed about a 60% deposit beta, but you thought you could do better. Do you still have that 60% assumption in that table? Or have you guys alter that at all?

24:23 Hey, Brad. We did alter that a little bit. That 60% is really after a 100 basis point increase. With all the liquidity in the system right now, the first 25 we really have zero, and we did it by 25 basis points increment. So under 100 basis points it is averaging about 20%, and that's on an average, and over 100 basis points it’s to our normal 60%. So there's going to be a little bit of a lag in the first 100 basis point increase.

24:56 Okay. Thank you. That's very helpful. And then final question --

25:00 I'll add to that, really the way I'm modeling it, my model is a little different from their model is about 50% with zero beta. 50 basis points, I'm sorry.

25:15 Okay, okay. Great. And then, Drake, maybe final question just kind of a bigger picture one. I think it was, on this call about a year ago, you talked about your Mississippi and Louisiana regions kind of being double the profitability of Texas, and your goal over time was to get kind of that sub-1 ROA. Texas Bank up closer to where your other regions are, closer to 2. Just kind of curious, could you update us on the progress there you made in 2021? And kind of where you might be able to be a year from now in terms of bringing the profitability of Texas up in line with the rest of the organization?

25:55 Yeah. I was thinking about this a minute ago when we were preparing for this call. 13 years ago we went into Texas, the Nova, into Dallas, year later Fort Worth in 2012, actually 2013 mid-point in Houston. We've been in Texas for 13 years and today we're significantly large in Texas and we're on Louisiana and Mississippi. So that ROA is ramping up very nicely. We're starting to see, as I've talked about many times and we are extremely focused on positive operating leverage. 26:31 And I'm sorry to spend a little time here, but going back to the IPO, if I sell this institution, it would be -- we'd be able to overlay $2 billion of additional assets on top of the infrastructure where we basically laid $4 billion over the top of that infrastructure, very little investment. And so, what we're starting to see is a pretty strong ramp up in ROAs in the DFW and Houston market. 27:00 So if I give you a little bit -- and I probably shouldn't do this, but if you look at Houston, we're looking at that 150 to 170 range by the end of the year. And then if you look at Dallas, I expect them to be approaching 2% at the end of this year, if not there.

27:29 Okay, great. Thank you very much.

27:35 And ladies and gentlemen, our next question comes from Brady Gailey from KBW. Please go ahead with your question.

27:42 Hey, thanks. Good morning, guys.

27:44Good morning, Brady.

27:46 When I look at period end balances linked quarter, the bond book kind of was flat at $1.5 billion. I know average balances kind of caught up in the quarter. But how are you thinking about any potential bond book growth in '22 as the long end of the curve gets a little higher?

28:09 So, Brady, we have modeled less than 10% with the loan growth model at 10% deposits. If they come in a little bit less than 10%, we should be able to just grow the investments may be 5%, but it really has to do with the timing. We did have a little bit excess cash at the end of the first -- at the end of the December, but that as Lance had mentioned is public funds and we know that comes out. 28:36 Now with the rates are a little bit higher, the end of the fourth quarter we were seeing about a 140, 150 yield. And right now we're looking at about 175, 180. So we will start to add a little bit more. Our normal run off is about 20 -- between $15 and $18 million a month. So we need to at least add that on each month and then we may add more just depends on the flow of the cash and where we project loan growth.

29:10 All right. And then looking --

29:13 Yeah. Brady, this is Drake, I want to add to that. I think we are in a very good position from a liquidity standpoint to be able to truly manage expense on the deposit side and look at our relationships and continue to grow core deposits at us what I think is a slower cliff as far as any rate increases. So as we look at the portfolio, we are going to be mindful that we might run down deposits slightly that are higher costs that we don't see as long-term relationships, while we have this luxury. 29:45 We also have changed our model somewhat to run a lower loan to deposit ratio overall compared to what we have done in the past. So these are all factors I think that we are going to be able to deploy to maybe put some liquidity to work in the right way and make sure that we are very focused on margin as we do that.

30:08 Okay. All right. And then moving to the mortgage warehouse, that continued to normalize lower in the fourth quarter, now at about $580 million. How are you thinking about the warehouse into '22? Is that $580 million kind of a good washed out base to grow from? Or, do you think we continue to possibly see some shrinkage? I know 4Q is a seasonally weak quarter, but how do you think about it next year?

30:34 Well, I want to remind everyone on the call and our investors that, it's our strategy to run and it was 2 years ago to grow mortgage warehouse to 10% to 12% of outstandings. So if you looked at average balance year-over-year growth, that was 31% between 2020 and 2021. And so, we think that that number is close to $600 million and that will run at 10%, 12%, and that we are going to be able to have slight increases in that. We are still on boarding clients and we will continue to do that, but we are going to manage this in that 10% to 12% range. I am pleased with where we are, pleased where we’ve ended up and even looking at -- overall, we have hit the plan exactly on target. So we are going to probably see that $600 million slight increase potentially, but I would say flat at that.

31:28 Very clear. And then the 10% to 12%, Drake, that's as a percent of loans or assets?

31:35 Loans

31:36 Loans. Okay. All right. And then finally, it's great to see the couple of insurance acquisitions. Are there any other fee income-based businesses that you think you would be interested in? Are you where you want to be with insurance or would you like to add the insurance side? It feels like with the growth you're putting on bank M&A could be less likely. So I'm just wondering if fee income-based M&A is still in the cards for you all?

32:04 Absolutely. It’s -- there is some opportunity, I like this insurance business. We are creating some relationships as we speak that I think fill in our footprint. And I think that's an important aspect, because as we look at Texas and some of the relationships that we're growing there, it is I think prime opportunity for us to continue lay our fee income. We're going to drive this thing to where it's a 70%-30% split between spread income and fee income, and feel like that's going to create the valuation that we need.

32:36 All right. Great, Thanks, guys.

32:40 And our next question comes from Kevin Fitzsimmons from DA Davidson. Please go ahead with your question.

32:46 Hey, good morning, everyone.

32:48 Good morning, Kevin.

32:50 Drake, just to follow on Brady's last question. So, I was going to ask something similar in terms of that new with the organic growth you have sitting in front of you that why even look for traditional bank deals. But I believe in the past you've mentioned the prospect of getting into a new market in Texas is possibly being something you might be interested in. So I didn't want to jump so fast to rule that out or give you the chance to rule it out and how you feel about traditional bank M&A?

33:26 Well, first off, I wouldn't rule that out, but our organic growth is allowing us to be in a position of luxury, let's say. It allows us to stay disciplined and focused on creating partnerships that I think fill in gaps in our markets, but staying within the same footprint that we're in. This is all for me. And after 38 years of building institution, culture and everything else, truly, hopefully we could find partnerships that allow us to continue to do what we're doing, bring in very good markets and production and that's what we're looking for. 34:07 So, I wouldn't rule that out, but it's going to be a disciplined approach, and it's going to be something that's truly going to benefit our shareholders if we pull the trigger on something.

34:22 Okay, great. Thank you. And then just one follow-on on the margin. I appreciate all the asset sensitivity position. But as we look at all the moving parts between PPP fees running off, and then positive tailwinds from mix shift and then rising rates, is it fair to say that maybe the margin might have bottom in first quarter, if that's going to be a heavier quarter for PPP fees running off, and then the mix shift and then the effective rates start to more than offset in second quarter and then over the balance of the year? Is that a way to think of the percentage margin trajectory?

35:12 I think that's fair. And I think the important point here is that, we feel that we've bottomed from a margin standpoint and there is upside. I love our asset sensitive position we're in. The fact that our own Board and with our new production people are bringing own relationships that aren't as price-sensitive, if you are out there just fresh territory. So I'm pretty bullish that we've bottomed and we will see somewhat of a flat environment without

35:48 Thanks, Drake. Yeah. And just one thing you mentioned earlier about deposits, because we don't hear a lot about that, because the industry is so flushed with cash, and your focus on staying -- keeping that as a priority, I find interesting because, do you think from an industry standpoint we're so used to these big increases in deposits and having this excess cash, but could we wake up a few quarters from now and have deposits for the industry actually declining. And so then maybe we pivot and NII has been driven by earning asset growth from liquid assets, but the percentage margin is getting killed, where it pivots to the opposite where maybe we're getting lift in the percentage margin, but some banks that don't have the loan growth that you have might be pressured on an average earning asset base. So I'm just curious about your thoughts about the industry?

36:49 Yeah. And for me, I've been here 38 years and again -- and in my opening comments I mentioned twice long-term value, never have a lid up off of building long-term deposit relationships and core deposits, and that is something that I preach, something that we incent here. We are going to build value through core deposits. I don't care how much liquidity we have because that will -- liquidity will flush and then all of a sudden we will have the same loan growth, deposit loan growth and we'll have to get that engine going. This engine is going all the time, and I think it's really what creates long-term value for organizations like us.

37:31 That's great to hear. Thanks, Drake.

37:36 Our next question comes from William Wallace from Raymond James. Please go ahead with your question.

37:51 Thanks. Good morning, Guys.

37:52 Good morning, Wallace.

37:53 Just following up when Kevin's questions. I believe it was 9% expected NII increase and then up 100 environment. And I think what I heard Steve saying was, you're modeling loan growth to be matched by deposit growth. So is that to assume that there is no assumption of liquidity deployment of -- it looks like you still have some excess liquidity even with the funds that are running off. So if you have excess cash and you decided to deploy it, I'm assuming that would be upside to the 9% NII and then up 100 environment. Am I saying that correctly? Am I hearing that correctly?

38:43 For the most part, other than -- we're going to take a little bit of stance on deposit growth. We don't see deposit growth matching loan growth this year, because we are in a position that we think we can maximize margin and yield, and focus solely own. Because if you go back several years ago, you remember that we had brokered deposits, we had a number of different things. So we're in a position where we are focused on and hats off to our Houston team and our DFW team for funding themselves basically. And that's a position we haven't been in before with DFW. 39:25 So, now we can truly focus on creating deposit franchise that has, like I said earlier, with Kevin a tremendous amount of value. We don't have to pin down own broker deposits like we did before. So we can pair that down and you might see 3% to 5% growth in deposits this year versus a double-digit loan growth.

39:46 Okay. All right. That's very helpful. So the 9% assumes you're having less deposit growth and deploying all liquidity into the loan portfolio.

39:57 Yes, absolutely.

39:59 Okay. Lance, you mentioned a pretty significant increase in line utilization in the fourth quarter from 42% to 48%. To hit your 10% budgeted target in 2022, do you need continued increase in line utilization? And if so, where do you need to go and where were we pre-COVID?

40:26 No, I don't think that we do. So we're at 48%. Our historic number is like 49%. We were 49% pre-COVID. So this quarter we got back to historic levels. If we got continued lift that would be a benefit, but we feel like we could do 10% based on producers and production levels. I mean, I’m just kind of going back and looking year-over-year, we had a new loan in line production up 36% year-over-year, fee income up 23%, treasury management up 11%. So we feel like the growth engine can do that without additional line utilization, but that would be a nice benefit.

41:03 Okay, great. And then maybe just along the lines on the lending side. I know you guys are always going to be opportunistic as it relates to new hires. Are you actively and aggressively continuing to try to build the production side? Or, are you now at a point where you feel like opportunistic is truly the best word?

41:31 I think that you're always going to see us looking for good talent. Now at the same time, we feel like we have a lot of capacity in the group that we have now from the lift-outs we've done in the previous years to the producers we had in last year. From the 7 producers last year we produced about $122 million in loans which turned into $112 million in growth and $636,000 in fees. I mean, we have much higher expectations as that begins to normalize, so we're going to be able to get the benefit of those producers versus our existing teams. 42:04 Now at the same time, we are closely watching dislocation, we're closely monitor talented people, we're close into these communities. And as we've built the bank we've done it through lift-outs, and so that strategy is not going to stop.

42:17 And Wally, I want to throw something in here. The talent that we attract is in line with our portfolio mix and our desire to grow C&I institution. So we've passed on a number of opportunities for lift-outs and additional teams that are, let's say, real estate focused or have relationship that just don't fit. So who we're lifting out and who we're bringing on, we think a long-term producers that produce the portfolio mix that we desire moving forward.

42:53 Thank you for that color. And then, I believe I heard Steve that you said that you guys think you can do a 6% increase in mortgage, there's a lot of headwinds expected. I think we're talking 25%, 30% expected declines in volumes and probably pressures on gain on sale margins. Can you remind us -- I believe, I know we've talked in a couple of quarters past about production hires on the mortgage side. Can you talk a little bit about how you ramped up that team that would give you confidence in the 6% growth in mortgage

43:26 Yeah. And we're -- especially in Texas continuing to ramp up the hiring MLOs and we expect at this time based on what we know in our pipelines that mortgage volume will increase by 6%. But we understand that competition in the markets is going to impact that gain on sale margin, but we intend to use our MSR hedge much more efficiently than in the past to manage that impact. And I think that the normalization in the markets and the traditional flows are going to allow that MSR hedge to work more effectively than it has in the past. So we see a big upside this year in mortgage.

44:05 Okay. Great. And last question, just kind of more philosophical. Lance, we've talked about technology and how important technology is to the organization for over a year now. And I know you guys have invested in some systems that help on the lending side and the efficiency side. Are you also -- when you're talking about how important technology and partnerships are, are you guys also looking to partner with FinTech companies kind of in a banking-as-a-service type relationship? Or is it all just right how can you better utilize offerings from FinTech companies to help you bank more efficiently and operate more efficiently?

44:53 Yeah. Hi, thanks. I think it's a little bit of both. I mean if you look at kind of the budget for the year and the investments that we continue to make, it's in -- continuing to invest in C&O. We've been in C&O commercial bank for a while, we're adding on the consumer piece this year which creates more automation, more efficiency inside of our operations groups, more of a streamlined view for the client experience. We continue to invest in our robotics process automation, saw some interesting data around that the other day where from going through and working through the departments and manual processes we've reduced 4,000 man-hours on an annual basis so far that have been put over into the process automation group, that's a savings of 2.25 FTEs. So we continue to work through that through our mortgage group, through our operations. 45:47 Doing some things this year with some fraud detection software, some data management, some real-time text-based client surveys. If we're going to drive our company based on delivery and service that we want to be able to measure that. And so we've partnered with a group called Podium that's going to provide instantaneous feedback and net promoter scores. We've also invested now into FinTech equity funds, and we're trying to have a seat at the table to understand what can benefit us the most as we continue to push this company, both from a client experience and then automation perspective. So we're taking a holistic look at ways that we can improve our company. And as we've talked about in the past, it's about driving efficiency, driving automation, so therefore that we can focus on production.

46:39 Thank you, Lance. I appreciate. That's all I had, I'll step out.

46:43 Hey, Wally, thank you for allowing us some of your time this quarter. We appreciate it.

46:53 And our next question is a follow-up from Brad Milsaps from Piper Sandler. Please go with your follow-up.

47:00 Thank you. Drake, just wanted to maybe touch quickly on credit, obviously NPAs are at low levels, but the last couple of years I guess your charge-offs have run mid-high 20 basis points, which I think through a cycle, I think that's a pretty good level. But at a time when banks are having may be zero or even net recoveries, just kind of curious, is that related to some of the clean-up you've done over the last couple of years in some areas you wanted to push out as a bank? Or anything else going on there, just want to think about charge-offs and how you might treat kind of the remainder of your excess reserves going forward?

47:42 No, and I am a little bit reluctant to say necessary clean-up. As I've said before, COVID allowed us to do a lot of things to really focus on what we want this institution and portfolio look like moving forward and understood some of the stresses. So we did take the opportunity to do some things and push some credit out. And that's why I am so proud about our 9.9% growth rate we have, because we had almost $60 million of credits that we pushed out that did not fit the profile. And there were some clean-ups in some areas, especially when you look at the assisted living arena, and some of those type of deals, but there are just some legacy deals that we cleaned up. 48:26 But I want Jim Crotwell to talk about for just a sec, if you don't mind credit, because I couldn't be prouder of Jim and Preston and their teams and what they have -- and the position they've put this institution, because you're going to see charge-off levels that are going to be continue to be lower. But if you look at -- and I think these are 2 great trends, our classified assets are down 41%, past watch credits are down 38%. So we've had some significant changes. So Jim?

48:55 Thank you. Drake, Yes. The one metric that I’m just been extremely pleased Dan is the movement that we had in overall classified assets coming in at 1.35% at the end of the year. You look back to where we were a year ago at 2.08%, so that's a dramatic improvement and decline in that metric. While all the other credit metrics have been very, very stable, very proud of our bankers and what they do on an ongoing basis and our past dues have been very stable throughout the year at 0.50%. Our non-performings have been very stable as well and compared to peers that's a very, very positive metric for us. 49:32 So, as I see it from a reserve standpoint we've done the heavy lifting, if you will, as we brought that reserve down, as we continue to see the resiliency and the stability in our portfolio. I think we will see some continued decline over this year, but depending upon the economic forecast, it will not be at the rate that we have seen this last year, but I think we do have a little bit of room to go there. And I see the same decline throughout -- toward the end of 2022 as we get back to the more historical levels from a charge-off perspective. 50:08 So all-in-all, I can't say enough about how I am pleased with how our portfolio has performed over the last two years. And again, as I mentioned in our comments earlier, I think it's a direct result of being focused on relationship banking.

50:24 And Brad, I will add just another note to that. This client selection process that we have talked about has been a very serious matter within this organization. And if you look back at our issues in the past, it's always been surrounded by core client selection and it even goes a little deeper into poor relationship manager selection, something that we changed four years ago. And if you look at the credits that we are charging off today in this clean-up process, it relates back to that client selection process and also that relationship management process. I am very pleased with where we are.

51:02 That's helpful. Thanks, Drake. And just to follow-up on your comments around Houston and Dallas pushing towards 1.5% to 2% ROA by the end of this year. If I look at consensus expectations, folks who are kind of looking for you do a one ROA in both years. It would seem, if you have got all three states pushing north of 1.5% that would need to come up, but there may be other aspects of the organization thinking about that whether the holding company et cetera that's dragging that down. Just kind of want to square those comments on those two regions achieving those levels of returns vis-a-vis the consolidated ROA for the entire company.

51:49 Yeah. And for us this is about -- if you look at our metrics, if you look at our incredible growth in EPS, if you look at our incredible revenue growth and all the things that matter from a metrics perspective, there is one area that we have to continue to focus on and that's pre-pre ROA and that's what we are doing. We understand where we have to be. So we have done the things. Mortgage was a drag for us, it certainly was to a degree this year. We have ourselves in a very good position there, not to be less -- so let's say drag is down. We have what I think have done an unbelievable job over the last three years of reducing overhead from executive management standpoint. 52:30 Now, we just recently hired Derek McGee on the legal side, he is going to do an incredible job for us as we get ready to cross 10 (ph) and some other things. But we have what I think is an efficient holding company, an efficient executive team. And so those numbers -- those markets pushing those numbers are going to equate higher ROAs as we go through '23, '24.

52:58 Okay, great. Thanks for taking the questions.

53:00 Okay, Brad. Thank you.

53:04 And ladies and gentlemen, with that we'll conclude today's question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over to Drake Mills for any closing remarks.

53:13 Well, we finished up what I think is an incredible year, a tremendous amount of obstacles that we had to deal with, but on the same side, our teams, our people, our culture is intact, and we are in a position, I think an undervalued company that's creating a tremendous amount of value. I hope investors recognize that. I appreciate our investors, I appreciate our stakeholders, and thank you for the involvement in the company, the support and all the things that you do for us. 53:41 But on the other hand, we're producing at a high-level, creating a tremendous amount of value, and we're doing it in a laser-focused way that does things that I think are going to long-term put this company in a very strong position. So, thank you for your support, and we hope to see you in the future pretty quickly.

54:02 Ladies and gentlemen, with that, we'll conclude today's conference call. We do thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines.