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Q3 2021 Earnings Call· Wed, Nov 3, 2021

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. And welcome to the New York Times Company's Third Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Harlan Toplitzky, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Harlan Toplitzky

Management

Thank you. And welcome to The New York Times Company's third quarter 2021 earnings conference call. On the call today, we have Meredith Kopit Levien, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Roland Caputo, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that management will make forward-looking statements during the course of this call. These statements are based on our current expectations and assumptions, which may change over time. Our actual results could differ materially due to a number of risks and uncertainties that are described in the company's 2020 10-K and subsequent SEC filings. Given the impact that the COVID-19 pandemic had on our business in 2020, we will also present certain comparisons of our operating results in 2021 to 2019, which we believe in many cases, provides useful context for our current year results. In addition, our presentation will include non-GAAP financial measures. And we have provided reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP measures in our earnings press release which is available on our website at investors.nytco.com. And finally, please note that a copy of the prepared remarks from this morning's call will be posted to our investor website shortly after we conclude. With that, I will turn the call over to Meredith Kopit Levien.

Meredith Kopit Levien

Management

Thanks, Harlan. And good morning, everyone. The Times had a strong third quarter with the power of our subscription first strategy on full display. It was our best third quarter in both new and total net subscription additions since the launch of the digital pay model more than a decade ago. And outside of 2020, it was our best quarter ever for digital subscription additions. We hit an important milestone during the quarter. The Times now has more than 1 million international digital subscriptions. We've said for some time that we see a huge opportunity to reach curious English-speaking people not just in the U.S. but around the globe, and we continue to prove that out in Q3. We added a total of 455,000 net new digital subscriptions in the quarter, including 320,000 for news and 135,000 for Games, Cooking and Wirecutter. This progress reflects the enduring demand for quality independent journalism and our long-term potential to mean more and more people across a range of news and life needs. Total revenues grew 19% in the quarter with digital subscription revenue rising 28%. And advertising up 40% for both print and digital. As a result, adjusted operating profit grew 15% despite a 20% increase in adjusted operating costs. The quarter was a busy one in news. While COVID remained the dominant story as it has for the last 20 months, a wide range of topics also captured the public's attention, including the Afghanistan withdrawal and the tragic events in Haiti, the resignation of New York's Governor and our ongoing climate reporting. These are the kinds of stories that our 2,000 person journalism operation is uniquely positioned to cover with depth and thoughtfulness. The news cycle, no doubt played a role in the quarter's performance but so too, did our improved…

Roland Caputo

Management

Thank you, Meredith. And good morning. Fundamental strength in the underlying business exemplified by strong digital subscription unit growth and healthy growth in both subscription and advertising revenues resulted in strong financial performance in the third quarter. Adjusted diluted earnings per share was $0.23 in the quarter, $0.01 higher than the prior year. We reported adjusted operating profit of $65 million higher than the same period in 2020 by $9 million and $21 million higher than 2019, which we continue to believe is an important comparison point given the impact that the pandemic had on our 2020 results. As Meredith noted, we added 320,000 net new subscriptions to our core digital news product and 135,000 net new standalone subscriptions to our other digital products for a total of 455,000 net new digital only subscriptions. As of the end of the quarter, we had approximately 980,000 Game subscriptions, approximately 900,000 Cooking subscriptions and 10,000 Wirecutter subscriptions. The Wirecutter offering having launched at the beginning of September. The international share of total new subscriptions remained at 18% as of the end of the quarter. Total subscription revenues increased nearly 14% in the quarter, with digital only subscription revenue growing nearly 28% to approximately $200 million. Digital only subscription revenue grew as a result of the large number of new subscriptions we added in the past year, continued strength in retention of the dollar per week promotional subscriptions were graduated to higher prices and to a much lesser extent, the impact from our digital subscription price increase. Digital news subscription ARPU for the quarter increased approximately 5 percentage points compared to the prior year and nearly 1 percentage point compared to the prior quarter. This improvement in both the year-over-year and sequential results was primarily due to subscriptions graduating from their introductory price…

Operator

Operator

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. The first question comes from Thomas Yeh with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Thomas Yeh

Analyst

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Meredith, can you talk a bit more about the experimentation during the quarter around the more aggressive limitations on access for non-subscribers? And then you said you were leaning back a bit in 4Q. Do you see that as a continued lever to pull during hotter new cycle periods? And given some of the pressure you're anticipating on churn in 4Q, what are the things you plan to do differently to drive paid conversion in 4Q relative to 3Q? And then secondly, can you give us an update on the advertising trends by categories and whether IDFA or supply chain inventory constraints that we've been hearing about on the advertiser side have any impact on the demand that you're seeing? Thank you.

Meredith Kopit Levien

Management

Yes. Good morning, Thomas. That's lots of questions. Let me see if I can remember them all. And try and answer. I'll do that advertising question first. We have not seen a huge. I think you're asking if we saw an impact of IDFA. We are I would say on the ad side, less exposed to that. We tend to be in upper funnel business, a lot of our advertising is brand advertising, the advertising that people buy from us. So we have not seen a huge impact from that. We didn't see it in the third quarter. We don't expect to see a huge impact. But that could have impact on just overall demand in the market. That remains to be seen. But it's not been a big factor. And I'd say we are less exposed because of the nature of our ad business. I think that's your primary ad question. Yes.

Thomas Yeh

Analyst

Yes. And supply chain inventory constraints.

Meredith Kopit Levien

Management

Yeah. I think, listen. I do similarly we did not see a big impact from all the issues around the product supply chain that many others have reported in the third quarter. And I would attribute that to our ad business being largely driven by upper funnel and middle funnel advertising versus lower funnel. That doesn't mean that we won't see some pressure from that. It's hard to imagine that doesn't just ultimately affect total marketer spend over time. I think the bigger thing you're hearing from us on the guide in the fourth quarter is just the comp starts to get harder because the market started to recover last year. And that's all within the range of expectation that Roland and I have suggested previously. On your first question, let me try and get it and you'll help me out if I missed any of it. In terms of experimentation on conversion. We did a number of things in the quarter. And this was all - we referred to these as things on our product road map earlier in the year. We are getting just better, more sophisticated, more precise about using machine learning in how we present our paywall and when we ask people to subscribe. So we've got more signal. We're using that signal more actively. We've got different ways to apply it and the models just get more sophisticated over time. And I would say you can expect that broadly to continue that just kind of gets better and better. For the most part, you experiment and that continues to improve. We also experimented more aggressively on the access model in various parts of the customer journey and in some cases, that meant more restriction of access to our journalism for non-subscribers. And I'd say those experiments worked very, very well. And what is always the case with us is when something really works. We'll then look at it and say, how do we make sure this is very sustainable over time. So what I described in my prepared remarks is that we were more aggressive about restricting access in the third quarter. It played a big role in the results. And we're losing that somewhat in the fourth quarter, which is not unusual as those kind of fine-tuning and calibrating the model. I think that was the whole of your question. I can't remember if you asked me about churn as well.

Thomas Yeh

Analyst

Yeah. Just touching on the anticipated churn in 4Q. Is the right way to think about that generally just that there was a larger kind of funnel of gross acquisitions and starts in 4Q relative to 3Q because of the elections, and that's why ---

Meredith Kopit Levien

Management

Yeah. There's a big group of people coming up for transition to full price because of the election in 4Q, 2020. So you've got a large cohort of people who will go through transition to full price. And then I mentioned also some pressure on churn from some of the changes in credit card regulations we're seeing in some markets. Roland, I don't know if you have anything to add on that.

Roland Caputo

Management

I would say, the markets that we're seeing, the regulation changes imminent are outside the U.S.

Thomas Yeh

Analyst

Okay. Very helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Vasily Karasyov with Cannonball Research. Please go ahead.

Vasily Karasyov

Analyst · Cannonball Research. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Good morning. I have a couple. One, you talked earlier this year about your outlook for the EBITDA margin next year. So I was wondering if you could give us an update on your thinking there. And the second question is Meredith for you. And it's about your view on the rise of such platforms as substack. Do you see them as a competitive? Do you see it as a complementary product or just would appreciate your view on that part of the one generalist market?

Roland Caputo

Management

So Vasily, I'll take the margin question first. I think the first thing I want to do is give a little context to how this year played out because it's important in answering the question. We've gotten quite a bit more ad revenue coming in the door this year than we had expected. And so when we spoke to you earlier in the year, results this year have been buoyed by very high-margin ad business. So we got a little bit more margin than we expected to this year. So in essence, it moved forward a bit. So I don't see a lot of movement on margin next year. Meredith mentioned a few times we continue to invest in the growth because we believe we have a very big opportunity. And while there's natural leverage in the business. And we want to see that flow through. If that becomes - is in conflict with investment we think is going to grow the business long-term and tap into that great opportunity, we're going to lean towards having a bigger and more profitable business out in the future versus trying to bring money to the bottom line immediately. I don't know, Meredith, did you want to add anything to that?

Meredith Kopit Levien

Management

Yeah. I think you said that just right. Vasily, on your subset question, I'll say a couple of things. One, we're quite confident that the sort of broad value proposition across The Times both from our core news report and in our standalone products is sufficiently competitive that we're going to keep growing even as new players emerge. So I think that's probably the first and most important thing to say. I'll say 2 specific things about subset. One, I would regard anything that is about helping make the market for paid digital journalism is good. This is still a forming market. And I would regard all efforts to get more people to think about paying for high quality journalism is a positive thing. And I would then just say on sort of our proposition particularly in subscriber only newsletters. You might come to The Times because someone like Kara Swisher or John McWhorter or Tressie McMillan Cottom has a newsletter that you want to follow and buy and you pay for that, but you get the whole of the New York Times value proposition with that. And so I would say we believe strongly that the competitive proposition that we've got more that the value proposition we've got is a very competitive one.

Vasily Karasyov

Analyst · Cannonball Research. Please go ahead.

Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Craig Huber with Huber Research Partners. Please go ahead.

Craig Huber

Analyst · Huber Research Partners. Please go ahead.

Yeah, thank you. I guess my first question on your marketing spend up 50% plus year-over-year. It seems pretty clear, that you're getting very good leverage on that spend. It sounds like you repeat a pretty high number again in the fourth quarter. I know it's tough to break out in your mind, Meredith, but the marketing spend versus the new cycle versus what you're doing on the back end to try and improve the digital subscriber growth. How much of that is attributable you think on a percentage basis, if you have any broad sense from the higher marketing spend. First question.

Meredith Kopit Levien

Management

I think I understand your question. And I'll say, generally, I've said this on previous calls. We spend into demand. And even in this particular quarter in the third quarter, we spent significantly more money. But our net additions or starts still came primarily and first and most through organic means. So we're still holding ourselves to a standard on profitability. And we still spent within our guardrails. So I'd say that, for us, is quite good. And I think both Roland and I have said in the past, it's almost the opposite of what people believe you sort of spend into a high conversion environment, spend into demand. And we can do so profitably. But the long view is that the model will continue to be disproportionately weighted to the product itself as the primary engine of demand not paid media, not paid marketing, but where we can spend profitably. We will do that to grow faster.

Craig Huber

Analyst · Huber Research Partners. Please go ahead.

Then the other question. Maybe talk about the addressable market in the U.S. but also globally. Can you put some numbers around that? You've done that in the past and has that changed in your mind at all for digital subs?

Meredith Kopit Levien

Management

Did you ask total TAM or international or both? I'm sorry,

Craig Huber

Analyst · Huber Research Partners. Please go ahead.

U.S. and global? How you want to look at it?

Meredith Kopit Levien

Management

Yeah. We still believe that there are at least 100 million people who speak English - English-speaking college educated around the world who will pay for quality journalism through a digital subscription. We think at least half that market is in the United States, half of it is outside the United States. I'd say our confidence that the market is there is at least as good as it was and potentially growing. In international, I think we've talked about this before, but I'll say we think half of that audience is - at least half of it is outside being United States. We're probably looking at a second read audience. So it's not just people who will pay for a digital subscription to quality journalism, but someone who will pay for 2. And our assumption is that we can win a larger share of a second read market, which is probably smaller than 50 million people but that we can win a large share in that. And I'll just say 1 more thing. I think we still have real running room domestically. Our international strategy in pursuit of that opportunity presupposes that we continue to lead and advance that lead domestically.

Craig Huber

Analyst · Huber Research Partners. Please go ahead.

And my final question, if I may. For the fourth quarter maybe just help us think about - what are you expecting generally for your news only digital sub additions in the fourth quarter, as high as you saw in the third quarter, which is quite a stellar number more of an average of the 2 middle quarters for the fourth quarter. How are you sort of thinking about that? And my other question related to that is what happened in the third quarter with the last month, month and half that came in significantly better than you perhaps were originally thinking?

Meredith Kopit Levien

Management

Let me take the first question and just say we're going to continue to see variability from quarter-to-quarter. And we're - it's why we don't guide quarterly on net adds. On one hand, you're seeing us gain more control of the levers. And on the other hand, we also all know that there are plenty of outside forces that can affect our business in any given quarter. So with that in mind, I don't have more guidance to give you than what Roland has already said from a revenue perspective. You can go back to what I said in the prepared remarks and draw some of your own conclusion. So we've said we really succeeded in our experiments around tightening access. And we're loosening some of that in the current quarter. I also said that - we expect to see more pressure on churn for some specific reasons in the current quarter. And at the same time the fourth quarter, if you look at the trajectory and standalone products tend to be a brisk period in stand-alone. So I think I'll leave it at that.

Craig Huber

Analyst · Huber Research Partners. Please go ahead.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Kannan Venkateshwar with Barclays Capital. Please go ahead.

Kannan Venkateshwar

Analyst · Barclays Capital. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Meredith, firstly, on the advertising side. I think over the last few years, there's just broadly been this philosophy. I think, of leaning more towards subscription and less on advertising. But it feels like the advertising business at least on the digital side is becoming a lot more stable and you have a bit more visibility around it. So if you could just help us understand with new products like Audio, for example. Should we expect that trend line to become more stable as you go into the coming quarters? And then related to that, what's the contribution margin for digital advertising versus print? Because you do have some more costs, I would assume on the digital side versus print. And so I'm just trying to figure out if the contribution margin is higher or lower. And I have a follow-up.

Meredith Kopit Levien

Management

Yeah. And Roland will probably give you a better detailed answer on your second question. Let me take the first 1 and maybe say a little bit about the second one. In general, I think I said this last quarter, we like our ad business better now. We particularly like our digital ad business better. And in the sense that it is much more about our proprietary first party data products applied to media where I think we still have plenty of running room. That business now sort of runs on the same high octane gas that the subscription business runs on, which is a real strength for the whole model and that's deeply engaged registered, logged in users whose data we have access to in privacy-forward ways. So that does - we believe that has had and could continue to have a stabilizing effect on the ad business. And we like that very much. We're a little bit less susceptible to the swings from big deals from 1 quarter to the next. We also are optimistic about and really like our position in audio. There seems to be quite a bit of demand for high quality audio, and we've got a great suite of audio products that are really performing well with marketers. And because, by the way, they're performing well with consumers. So we like all of that. And to your point thus far it has seemed to have and could have going forward a more stable character. All of that said, I'll just repeat the thing Roland and I have both said now for some time. Advertising in general, tends to be a more demand-driven business than the supply business. I think we are better positioned to go after that demand than we have been in some time. But it is still demand driven and the market can change pretty quickly. And the market is also shaped and dominated by very large platform players that operate at a scale that's different from The Times. And so we don't rule out that there can be significant swings in any part of the business as a result of that. Roland, I don't know if you'd add anything. If you want to comment on the margin.

Roland Caputo

Management

Yeah. I'll comment on the margin question. A couple of things to say, Kannan. One is we run that the digital ad business at a much higher margin profile today than we did say 2-3 years ago. So that's kind of one point of information. Relative to print, it really depends on mix. So if we're selling straight display in digital, I'd say the margins are comparable to print. But if we're heavily using creative services to support the sale or if it's a large partnership where we're creating content and other digital assets associated with sales. The margin is not as good in digital. But in terms of total margin, a lot of it depends on that mix. So more heavily weighted to display, the higher the margin.

Kannan Venkateshwar

Analyst · Barclays Capital. Please go ahead.

Got it. And I guess, broadly in terms of sales and marketing spend. Meredith, you mentioned that organic growth is driving a bigger part of your total acquisitions. So when you frame the spending around media, how do you think about it? Is it a percentage of revenues? Is it basically some of the framework which is more bottom line dependent? I mean how do you frame the total amount you want to spend on sales and marketing in a given quarter?

Roland Caputo

Management

I'll take that question, Kannan. So first, I want to break out brand from direct acquisition spend. So let's talk about direct acquisition spend for a moment. We guide that based on an internal rate of return. So we'll spend into particular channels. The marketers will spend into particular channels until they drop below that rate of return and then they won't spend any more. So that's really the guide is completely on a return on the CAC . Brand is different. We will pick particular moments in time to spend brand money. We're actually ramping into that now. So a bit of the elevated spend in Q4 is actually going to be brand and not direct acquisition spend. And that and we've been pretty much running it that way for quite a while. And just 1 other point. I think when Meredith talked about organic becoming a bigger part. She's talking about over the long-term, the percent of starts that have been coming from organic has been bouncing around in a pretty narrow band for quite a while now with the vast majority of it being organically driven.

Kannan Venkateshwar

Analyst · Barclays Capital. Please go ahead.

Got it. So just as a follow-up to that, I mean if a bigger part of the spending is queuing towards media and brand advertising, is it fair to say that when you look at your CAC numbers, those have essentially improved over the - maybe the last couple of years? I mean, has it gone down over time?

Roland Caputo

Management

Well, so last year, like again, last year, such a special year, they were - the CAC numbers were very low last year. The LTV to CAC numbers were very high. They've come back in line more - looking more like they did in 2019 at this point. And we're really happy with where they are. And as I said before, we're very focused on that - hitting that internal rate of return as our guide. So I think we emphasized and I did in my script that, that overspend in marketing was all productive and profitable. Otherwise, we would not have deployed that cash in that manner.

Kannan Venkateshwar

Analyst · Barclays Capital. Please go ahead.

Thanks so much.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Doug Arthur with Huber Research Partners. Please go ahead.

Doug Arthur

Analyst · Huber Research Partners. Please go ahead.

Yeah, thanks. Two questions. Roland, you had said at the beginning, on the cost side that 1 mitigating factor would be your ability to hire the talent that you're seeking. So I guess my question is, is that starting to ease? And what is your headcount up year-over-year? And then I've got a follow-up.

Meredith Kopit Levien

Management

Yeah. I'm happy to take the talent question broadly. I would say in journalism, it's going quite well in terms of our ability to hire talent on the product and technology and engineering side. We're optimistic that over a long time horizon, this will continue to be a really compelling place for people to work. I will say, though, that we are subject to the same sort of labor market forces that every other business with the scaling digital product is subject to, which is there's enormous competition for engineering talent, data talent, digital product talent and design talent. And so we're incredibly focused on that. I think over a long time horizon, we will - this will be a place where we - it will be a very compelling place for people to work. I think we moved a little more slowly than we would have liked this year so far on hiring.

Roland Caputo

Management

Yeah. In terms of the increase in headcount, it's roughly 5%-6% up.

Doug Arthur

Analyst · Huber Research Partners. Please go ahead.

Okay. And just as a follow-up to that, Meredith, I mean you've talked about the tech stack at the New York Times, not being where you think it ought to be eventually. I guess how can you - how do you frame that in terms of what inning you believe you are in terms of getting to where you want to be? And you've talked about your success in conversion in the third quarter. Any comments on that.

Meredith Kopit Levien

Management

Yeah. I have to think about the inning question. What popped into my head was maybe third or fourth. But let me - I'm not even sure that's right. Let me say it to you differently, which is where I think we're quite sophisticated is on the consumer facing experience front. So driving engagement, driving conversion, rapid experimentation. I mean that the quality and the pace of experimentation has gone up pretty dramatically in the last couple of years. Where we are putting a lot of effort and still have long arc work to do is in the back-end underlying platforms and systems, which I think really, really matter. We actually - I think we announced last quarter, I can't remember, getting a thumbs up from Harlan. We just hired a new CTO, who I'm super excited about, a guy named Jason Sobel, who was previously at Airbnb for five and half years. He was at Facebook for, I think, half a dozen years in its early days and arc of growth. And he comes with a pretty deep, back-end and infrastructure background. And we talk a lot about this next phase of our strategy is sort of getting to scale with journalism worth paying for. And a lot of that is about having the platforms in core tech and in data to make sure we can do that. So you can imagine that's going to continue to be a real area of focus for us. I'm optimistic that we're on the right track. I'm more optimistic than I've been in some time, and there's plenty of work still ahead of us.

Doug Arthur

Analyst · Huber Research Partners. Please go ahead.

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Harlan Toplitzky for any closing remarks.

Harlan Toplitzky

Management

Thank you for joining us this morning. We look forward to talking to you again next quarter.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.