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Nexstar Media Group, Inc. (NXST)

Q1 2023 Earnings Call· Tue, May 9, 2023

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to Nexstar Media Group's First Quarter 2023 Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. And now I'll turn the conference over to Joe Jaffoni, Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Joe Jaffoni

Management

Thank you, Kyle, and good morning, everyone. Let me read the safe harbor language, and then we'll get right into the call and your questions and answers. All statements and comments made by management during this conference call other than statements of historical fact, may be deemed forward-looking statements for purposes of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Nexstar cautions that these forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those reflected by the forward statements made during this call. For additional details on these risks and uncertainties, please see Nexstar's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2022, as filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, and Nexstar's subsequent public filings with the SEC. Nexstar undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. Thank you for your patience. With that, it's now my pleasure to turn the conference over to your host, Nexstar Chairman and CEO, Perry Sook. Perry, please go ahead.

Perry Sook

Management

Thank you, Joe. Good morning, everyone. We appreciate you all joining us today to discuss Nexstar's first quarter results. With me on the call today is Tom Carter, our President and COO; and Lee Ann Gliha, our CFO. I will start with a summary of our recent highlights and developments, followed by Tom's operations review and Lee Ann's financial review. Nexstar's first quarter financial results mark a very strong start to the year for the company. Record first quarter net revenues were driven by all-time high quarterly distribution revenue and the benefit of the CW acquisition, which more than offset the cyclical year-over-year decline in political and Olympic advertising. Net revenue, adjusted EBITDA and attributable free cash flow all came in ahead of consensus estimates, extending our long-term record of exceeding expectations. We returned nearly 60% of our attributable free cash flow or approximately $6.25 per share, to our shareholders in the form of dividends and share repurchases in the quarter. While economic uncertainty and rapidly changing expectations regarding monetary policy are contributing to the turbulent markets, the scale and the financial success and strength of our highly diversified and profitable operating model combined with our focus on execution drove excellent results and strong shareholder returns in the quarter. Looking ahead, we remain positioned to perform well in the current environment, with over 50% of our net revenue derived from contractual and recurring high margin distribution revenue, and two-thirds of our core advertising revenue comprised of more resilient local advertising. During the quarter and subsequent to quarter end, Nexstar successfully reached new multiyear agreements with two of the largest virtual MVPDs, YouTube TV and Hulu. In addition to extending carriage of our big four network stations, which were up for renewal, both operators are now carrying Nexstar's MyNetwork and independent…

Tom Carter

Management

Thanks, Perry, and good morning, everyone. We generated another quarter of strong operating performance, with all-time high first quarter net revenue of $1.26 billion, a 3.9% increase from the prior year. Results were driven by the benefit of the CW acquisition and record quarterly distribution revenues, partially offset by a decline in television advertising, primarily due to the absence of midterm political and Olympic advertising, as well as continued advertising softness, primarily in national, which is a smaller part of our ad revenue mix. Excluding the results of the CW, net revenue was essentially flat from the prior year quarter. Core television advertising decreased 2.6% year-over-year. Excluding the CW, core advertising was down approximately 8.5% primarily driven by double-digit rates of decline in national spot advertising, which accounts for nearly 30% of our core TV ad revenues. Nexstar's local television ad revenue, which represents approximately 70% of our total core television ad revenues, excluding the CW, continues to meaningfully outperform national, declining low single-digits. This performance is consistent with our guidance we provided on our last call. So far in Q2 2023, we are seeing similar results in the national market to what we saw in the first quarter, with a modestly softening local market, driven in part by a slowing rate of growth in automotive and by our unique exposure to local markets in the top 20 DMAs, notably New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and Tampa, where local advertising markets behave more like national markets. Excluding the CW, our top performing categories in the quarter were automotive, home repair, manufacturing, attorneys, entertainment and travel. We're extremely pleased to see automotive, our largest advertising category in terms of dollars spent, maintain its growth trajectory for the third consecutive quarter, increasing 12% over Q1 of 2022. While overall automotive spending remains…

Lee Ann Gliha

Management

Thank you, Tom, and good morning, everyone. As always, Tom and Perry gave you most of the details on the revenue side, so I’ll provide a little color on the CW financial results, our TV Food Network distribution, and then jump to expenses followed by some discussion – further discussion on our guidance. In the first quarter, the CW generated $61 million of revenue and $75 million of adjusted EBITDA loss from $7 million of one-time expenses comprised primarily of restructuring charges, all of which was in line with our projections and expectations. As a reminder, the CW generates revenue primarily from national television and digital advertising, distribution fees from affiliates and virtual MVPDs, as well as some short-term periodic continuing revenue from licensing content to an SVOD player. Since the CW programming schedule is locked in for the 2022, 2023 broadcast seasons, you’ll be able to see the Nexstar playbook start to fold only in the fourth quarter of this year. Moving back to our consolidated expenses. Together, first quarter direct operating and SG&A expenses increased $65 million, primarily due to the inclusion of the CW, which including the one-time restructuring expenses of approximately $7 million I mentioned a minute ago, accounted for $37 million of the difference. With the remaining amount due to increased affiliation fees, due to increased distribution revenues, and the expansion of local news at our Washington, D.C. Bureau and other local markets, as well as the expansion of our news programming at NewsNation, which was partially offset in our adjusted EBITDA and free cash flow calculations by reduced programming costs at NewsNation related to reduced reliance on syndicated content. Q1 2023 corporate expense was approximately $48 million, including non-cash compensation expense of $14 million compared to $47 million, including non-cash compensation expense of $13…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Dan Kurnos with Benchmark. Please go ahead.

Dan Kurnos

Analyst

Great. Thanks. Good morning. Super strong results, guys. Maybe just Perry high level, just as you think about kind of the sports landscape, we’ve seen some of the peer group also start to add some names. You guys led the way with LIV, TV acquisition focus on independence. Just how do you think about kind of the broader opportunity for you here? And just how do we also think about the contribution thus far you alluded to some incremental revenue synergies over time.

Perry Sook

Management

Sure. I guess my first comment would be everything is old, is new again. When I started in the business in the late ‘70s, and obviously throughout the ‘80s and into the ‘90s independent television was the home for broadcast sports primarily across the country. And it’s interesting in the conversations we’ve had with team owners, league commissioners, broadcast television because of its superior reach is once again the belle of the ball. And if you’re only distributed via cable, you are missing a good portion of the marketplace. So the conversations have been steady and we continue to believe that they will yield results for Nexstar, additional results over time. So it’s kind of heartening to see that people are recognizing broadcast television as the superior reach vehicle. I would say as it relates to the LIV Golf addition to the CW. Our CW affiliates are selling the heck out of it. And because there’s not really a network scatter market, the network is selling a modest amount, but the local stations are out billing the network in terms of advertising sales by a substantial margin at this point. So, that’s – for CW affiliates that we’re programming movies or syndication or paid programming, and so this is all new and incremental revenue to them, so it’s a net positive for the company that we think will grow over time.

Dan Kurnos

Analyst

Got it. That’s helpful. And then, Tom, just on sort of distribution, I think you had guided previously the front half would be sort of mid-single-digits and then accelerating from there Q1 a little bit higher than mid-single-digits to start the year. And I don’t know if you had included the incremental carriage agreements that you signed with the virtuals and that original guidance. So maybe that one housekeeping question and just kind of how we think about sort of the pace over the balance of the year given the initial Q1 outperformance.

Tom Carter

Management

Well, I would say, yes, Q1 was a good quarter and our entire year’s budget did include renewals of the vMVPD, so that was baked in there. We’re not changing our guidance at this point with regard to overall retransmission revenue because we gave a range of potential outcomes and we still believe that that is in the cards in that range, even though the first quarter was a slight over performance. So we’re pleased with where we are, but not so exuberant that we are prepared to change our guidance at this point.

Dan Kurnos

Analyst

All right. Fair enough. Good start to the year, guys. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Craig Huber with Huber Research Partners. Please go ahead.

Craig Huber

Analyst · Huber Research Partners. Please go ahead.

Good morning. I have a big picture question on contracts. All this controversy out there that the Trade Press is picked up on for the virtual MVPDs and those contracts being done by the broadcast networks, as you know. And your preference and your peers preference seems to be that you want to do them yourself, like you do for the legacy MVPDs. When would that window sort of maybe open when the contracts potentially come up for renewals, so you could actually maybe switch to that? I mean, how many years out do you think that could potentially be? So you could do those contracts yourselves.

Perry Sook

Management

Virtual MVPD contract renewals generally have a contract tenor of two or three years. So to the extent that a number of them were just renewed, I think that’s probably going to be the window absent a legislative act or something that might accelerate the process. I think that’s a meaningful time to revisit the issue at the time of contract expiration.

Craig Huber

Analyst · Huber Research Partners. Please go ahead.

Okay. And then also, can you help me with the retran sub declines all in, in the quarter? Was it down about mid-single digits year-over-year or…

Tom Carter

Management

Well, I think we gave the overall decline is low to mid-single digits, but that includes some addition of new carriage of some of our CW, MyNetwork and independent stations by virtual MVPDs. So that’s the contributing factor as to why our attrition actually went down slightly from the last quarter that we reported.

Craig Huber

Analyst · Huber Research Partners. Please go ahead.

Sort of an organic basis, sort of down mid-single digits reasonable for us to expect?

Tom Carter

Management

We haven’t commented on that, but obviously it’s – if you think about legacy or same station, it would be slightly lower than that low to mid-single attrition for the overall group.

Craig Huber

Analyst · Huber Research Partners. Please go ahead.

Okay. Thanks for that. Can you just give us a little bit more detail, if you would on your second quarter core advertising pacings here, excluding the CW, sort of how that’s tracking? And talk about some of the categories might be changing for the better or worse versus what you saw in the first quarter? Thank you.

Perry Sook

Management

I would say that second quarter core advertising pacing looks a lot like first quarter. I think that the national might be a point or two behind or slower than first quarter at this point in time. Granted, we’re only in the eighth day of May, ninth day of May. So we are – I think optimistic that our results are going to be similar. Our digital revenue continues to pace positive. The network revenue, we just got a mid-six digit scatter by in the past week from Procter & Gamble. So I think that there is no question that there are economic headwinds out there, but on an all-in basis, the core advertising revenue is probably pacing marginally worse than the first quarter results. Although I think you’ll see an uptick in political advertising revenue vis-à-vis expectations. Won’t make up for all of it, but there are lots of puts and takes.

Craig Huber

Analyst · Huber Research Partners. Please go ahead.

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Jim Goss with Barrington Research. Please go ahead.

Jim Goss

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please go ahead.

All right. Thank you. I was wondering with LIV Golf you mentioned it’s doing better than the prior programming, which probably isn’t too surprising. But I’m – typically the CW network would’ve pretty limited relationships in terms of a couple of hours of prime time each night for the most part. And so I was wondering if you could talk about what that relationship is with this sort of newer programming in a different timeframe from the normal?

Perry Sook

Management

Well, I would say that, Dennis Miller and Brad Schwartz, who are heading up the CW and our programming efforts as well as their very talented executives in scripted and unscripted, all of which are new are talking to everybody in Hollywood. And I think that was one of the more pleasant surprises following our takeover is that when we responded, hey, the doors are open, let’s talk about doing business. The community responded. I think it’s in everybody’s best interest that there is a viable fifth network competitor out there. And so the community’s responded. And again, our goal is to broaden the appeal of the network. So you’ll see everything from FBOY Island on the network to a series that was announced yesterday, a comedy called Son of a Critch with Malcolm McDowell as one of the primary leads. So, we’re trying to broaden the appeal and we’re trying to broaden the slate of programming as well. And the full schedule will be announced on nine days from today on May the 18th with all the pieces in place. And the good news is on that schedule, there’s only really two shows that will have any effect from the writers’ strike. So we’ll be able to cover that off pretty easily. And the bulk of our schedule will reign intact, which should give us a bit of a competitive advantage over those that are more dependent on scripted.

Jim Goss

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please go ahead.

Okay. Thank you. And one other thing, in terms of the retrans outlook you’ve painted a pretty happy picture with your experience. I assume that the increase in distribution revenues from the MVPDs is a big offset. I’m wondering if there’s any other offset in terms of your net value from any better bargaining power you might have with the broadcasting, the streaming companies as they take more conservative outlook toward their own programming expenditures?

Perry Sook

Management

Well, I’ll comment and then Tom can add in any details. The streaming revenue as a percentage of our total distribution revenue is a low-double digit amount. So even though those are increases, that that doesn’t move the needle as much as contractual resets, subscriber attrition that has been less than projected internally at least so far this year. So those are the primary puts and takes, and the fact that we reset the economic relationship with 50% of our subscribers at the end of the year providing – driving the increase, the 9% increase and that was in light of our partner station’s Mission and White Knight not being carried on the two satellite providers, which is not an inconsequential deduct from our advertising revenue when compared to the history.

Tom Carter

Management

And just to add to that, we do have 40% of our subscribers up this year. The majority of that is at the end of the year, but we’ll see that as an opportunity for growth in 2024. And also keep in mind that with the change in the programming of the CW and additional programming at the CW such as LIV Golf, we think we’re going to bring added value to all of the CW affiliates. And as those network affiliation agreements come up for renewal, we expect to have a conversation with them with regard to what the appropriate value is for CW going forward, given the changes and the additions we’re making to the CW that as Perry mentioned, benefit the local CW affiliates meaningfully so far. And we hope to be able to see that reflected in increased affiliation fees going forward.

Jim Goss

Analyst · Barrington Research. Please go ahead.

All right. Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Benjamin Soff with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Benjamin Soff

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Hey guys, thanks for the question. In the past, you’ve spoken about the fact that broadcast accounts for 40% or so of the pay TV viewership, but only receives about 30% of the total fees. So obviously that’s a big tailwind when we think about your ability to get better pricing over time. I’m just wondering if there’s an update on that breakdown following this latest round of renewals and kind of what timeframe you think we’ll start to see that gap really start to close. Thanks.

Perry Sook

Management

Yes, I think your percentages are a little out of WACC. We’ve said historically broadcast gets 30% to a third of aggregate viewing and has taken kind of a high teens percentage of the distribution revenue. So that’s the gap that we’re obviously trying to close. I mean, that’s industry information and I don’t know everybody else’s results, so I can’t give you an update on what the – where the bid and the ask are in the industry. I can just say that we’re very pleased with the renewals that we’ve contemplated and optimistic about the renewals we have ahead of us for 2023.

Benjamin Soff

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Okay. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Steven Cahall with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Steven Cahall

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Thanks. Maybe first, Tom, I was wondering if you could talk a bit more just about your overall advertising strategy. I think you’ve announced some new senior leaders in advertising this year, between the CW and BestReviews and now the bigger schedule for NewsNation, there’s just a lot more in the advertising portfolio. So maybe you can talk about when you go to market at the local level, how much you’re looking to hold back from the upfront? And how you’re using these different components to kind of focus on more growth and share gains? And then Lee Ann, on the CW, I think you said you’ve completed distribution deals that have effectively paid for it. Just wondering, when we can expect maybe the CW to convert to a cash flow contributor? And as we think about the reprogramming, kind of what inning do you feel like we’re in after what you’ve discussed for the 2023, 2024 season? Thanks.

Tom Carter

Management

Well, I’ll take the first question, Steve. Yes, we’ve added quite a bit from a national perspective with regard to our sales team. And if you think back on Nexstar, it was very much case by case national sales. We had NewsNation, which is a three year old entity and really has become into its own over the last 18 months or so, we had The Hill, now we have the CW. So we’re putting all of those together and marketing those as a package for national advertisers. In addition to the fact that we can – we have stations that reach 68% of the population. So we have an opportunity there to put together a Nexstar network, if you want to think about it that way from a station perspective. So that’s really the avenue and where we’re trying to make additional inroads that we haven’t historically because we don’t – we didn’t have the assets really to put together a package for national advertisers that’s the primary growth driver and the market that we are attacking. We’re in the middle of the upfront right now, and I think those – the decisions with regard to sales and inventory allocation, et cetera, are ongoing. So I think in the next 60 days or so, I think we’ll have a better feel exactly how we look at that with regard to the national products that we have. And then obviously, the strength of our local sales force continues to be exhibited in the results that we’re putting up from a local perspective. And use that as a funnel as well for multi-market deals up to national with regard to advertisers that are looking to do regional buys and sectional buys with regard to our products. So with that, I'll turn it over to Lee Ann to talk a little bit more about the trajectory of things.

Lee Ann Gliha

Management

Yes. So thanks, Tom. The CW, I think we've said a few times, the – when we bought the company, we had the 2022-2023 broadcast season as already programmed. So that was all of the – the programming that is currently generating those losses. And so that – those will – that will stay in place until, unfortunately, the end of the third quarter of this year. The fourth quarter will be the first year – first period where we can really kind of program that on our own, this is really going to be the 2023, 2024 broadcast season. And it's really of a transition, right. So we're putting in – we have a couple of – one carryover commitment, All American, coming into the next broadcast season, but we'll really be able to put on that kind of our new slate. And it's really our transition sort of broadcast period of moving to kind of the Nexstar way of doing things. We're still anticipating that we'll achieve profitability by 2025. That's still the current plan, and we'll just have to see how things unfold. But we're happy about it. We really got those additional distribution revenues earlier than we thought we ever would have, which really helps pay for the investment.

Steven Cahall

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Thanks. And then maybe just a quick follow-up. Just on allocation, your leverage is about the lowest level it's been in a while. You've talked about how underpriced you think the stock is. Would you ever consider sort of holding leverage steady through the nonpolitical years to buy back more stock and smooth it out? Or should we expect the buyback to more sort of track where free cash flow is, i.e., a little less buyback in the odd years and then obviously accelerated in the even years with political?

Lee Ann Gliha

Management

Yes. Look, I think for now, our plan is to just spend the free cash flow as we get it. And that means either doing that by paying down debt, paying our dividends, buying back stock or making strategic investments. I think as we kind of evolve and delever more, we'll obviously always look to do what is the best for the shareholders, and so we can revisit any of those thoughts in the future. But for right now, the plan is to execute on spending the free cash flow as it comes.

Steven Cahall

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Barton Crockett with Rosenblatt Securities. Please go ahead.

Barton Crockett

Analyst · Rosenblatt Securities. Please go ahead.

Okay. Thanks for taking the question. I was curious about wanting to make sure we understand the CW footprint and how that's evolving. There – obviously, you guys are buying the San Diego station and talking about a transition. I think that CBS was in the news with plans to transition off of the CW for some of their stations, which I think are in some major markets. So could you give us an update on the reach of the CW and what you expect in terms of transition from CBS stations and maybe others and how that plays out over time?

Perry Sook

Management

Sure. Well, I mean, let's start with the fact that the CW has the same population reach that FOX, ABC, NBC and CBS do, we all reach 130-plus million television households. So everyone is on parity there from a distribution perspective. We knew at the time of acquisition that CBS did not intend to renew the CW affiliation for their owned CW affiliates at the end of this season, and we went with their timetable is when they wanted to make a public announcement internally and externally, which was obviously this past week. So the good news is, is we have multiple expressions of interest for affiliations in virtually every market, Nexstar has stations that could be easily converted to CW affiliates in three of those markets. So we do not anticipate any issue. And in fact, in a couple of markets, we have – I would – it's too strong to call it a bidding war because the discussions haven't progressed that far, but multiple expressions of interest. People recognize the value of having the CW affiliation versus having no affiliation. And so that will ultimately help us to drive pricing terms and new affiliation agreements. So we see this as an opportunity both to upgrade the station group, as well as improve its financials as it relates to the network.

Barton Crockett

Analyst · Rosenblatt Securities. Please go ahead.

Okay. Thank you for that. And then one other thing. I was hoping you could give us an updated view on the progress or the expected timing for material commercialization of ATSC 3.0. And what you think is the likely kind of road for moving off of the requirement for broadcasting the legacy – dual broadcasting the legacy, I guess, 1.0? And when you would be able to go just purely kind of 3.0. And does there need to be like an antenna subsidy work with an FCC mandate? How does that kind of happen?

Perry Sook

Management

Well, I think these are all things that will be discussed in this public-private partnership to advance the advancement, if you will, of ATSC 3.0. And Chairperson, Rosenworcel committing to this partnership very much like the analog to digital transition, which was an industry and FCC partnership to basically define the rules of the road and advance that. Obviously, those are important things that have to happen for us to be able to activate spectrum in a material way. We will ultimately have to do away with the 1.0 simulcast requirement, which means there has to be an ability to receive a 3.0 signal. Many new sets, all of the Sony TV sets being manufactured, have a 3.0 receive capability in them. For older sets there will have to be some sort of commercial solutions, so that people who are not part of an MVPD universe can receive their current programming. I think there's – there are commercial opportunities to solve that. But these are all things that need to be considered. The simple fact of establishing a sunset of 1.0 period, would incent set manufacturers to build to the new standard sooner as opposed to later. And so all of these things go into the discussion of how we transition from 1.0 to 3.0. And we have to put the consumer first. And I think we do that and everything else will kind of fall into place pretty rapidly behind that. We're still optimistic that, this year, we will sign some sort of a commercial test case, use case for certain applications of our 3.0 spectrum. It will not be a huge financial contributor, but it will be more of a proof of concept for certain verticals and maybe more than one. So we think that things will begin to roll this year and pick up momentum. And we've said by the end of the decade is when we expect ATSC 3.0 spectrum to meaningfully contribute to our financial profile.

Barton Crockett

Analyst · Rosenblatt Securities. Please go ahead.

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Nick Zangler with Stephens. Please go ahead.

Nick Zangler

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead.

Hey, guys. Just back to that premium sports opportunity given some recent announcements, how attractive would you say this content is to you? Like would you characterize the opportunity as strategic priority number one? And then when you think about these potential arrangements, is there really – is there an opportunity for the advertising revenues that you generate against the games themselves to generate a profit? Or is it really the shoulder programming, like the pregame and postgame shows, that really represents, I guess, the most lucrative aspect of the sports partnerships? Just curious how those might be arranged.

Perry Sook

Management

Well, listen, having done retrans negotiations for over 20 years, the thing that drives economics and retrans are live news and live sports. And there are other things that contribute, but those are the primary drivers. So if you have them, I think you're advantaged over not having them. And so – and the deals that we would do would be to make money on the advertising from the get-go. Shoulder programming would be a way to enhance that value, but we would not take the position that sports over the life of a contract would be a loss leader to accomplish other goals. I mean we will find a way to make money or we probably won't do the deal. But the good news is, I think at the local station level, it greatly enhances our offerings in the local community. And at the network level, it's basically table stakes. And so I think you'll see us continue to explore those opportunities, at both the national and the local level, as broadcast is in vogue once again, for some of us it never fell out of vogue, but it's in vogue in terms of a distribution mechanism and a way to achieve superior reach to streaming and traditional MVPD relationships.

Nick Zangler

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead.

I mean, I would imagine that the sports content opportunity is likely most significant for Nexstar specifically across the broadcast group, just given your geographic footprint, number one. But I mean, obviously, I'm just wondering if you would agree. But then when you do go to market and when you're having these conversations to win these sports deals, how do you market yourself, I guess, relative to the peer group? And does the CW's national presence actually provide a pretty strong advantage to you somehow as these conversations are occurring?

Perry Sook

Management

Well, each of the conversations, I think, are individual. I think you're right, given the geographic location of our stations in major markets with sports teams is a plus. The fact that we have CW affiliates or independent stations or MyNetwork affiliates in the top 10 markets, with the exception of two, we've got more shelf space. It's kind of hard to do a basketball or baseball deal with a big three affiliate, maybe even Big 4 affiliate because of the amount of inventory that is claimed already in those affiliation agreements. I would think that we have a good shot at activating these, much like we did with the Clippers in Los Angeles. That's a CW affiliate, but we were able to clear 15 games, and I can tell you that it was a financial success for KTLA and, we're in discussions on renewal as we speak.

Nick Zangler

Analyst · Stephens. Please go ahead.

Okay, great. Much appreciate it. Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Alan Gould with Loop Capital. Please go ahead.

Alan Gould

Analyst · Loop Capital. Please go ahead.

Hi, thanks for taking the question. Perry, just to drill down a little more on the sports rights and the pricing of the sports rights, the team's got used to some pretty high fees from the RSNs, which obviously turned out to be unsustainable. What is the tone like in these contract negotiations?

Perry Sook

Management

Well, of course, they want the money they've been paid and superior reach and anything else they can ask for. I think the reality is that there will likely be a step-down in economics, but that may transfer into other things in terms of increased reach might entice better attendance at the gate. But listen, I think every sports owner is going to go through this in real time and every league commissioner is going to go through this in real-time. There's a reason the RSNs are in bankruptcy, because that business model is not sustainable. So I think everybody gets it. It's just now what is the new world order, which I think includes broadcast. I think there'll still be RSNs, but I think they'll be much smaller in terms of the amount of programming that they have from a particular team or league. There'll still be cable. But I think none of this is zero sum. I think you'll see broadcast with a traditional approach and perhaps even streaming and trying to meet the customer where they are. The good news is, is that we see broadcast being a part of that, both at the local level and potentially at the national level.

Alan Gould

Analyst · Loop Capital. Please go ahead.

And Perry, on the revenue side, RSNs have some of the highest cable affiliate fees. How close could this bring an independent or a CW station to the kind of retrans fees that you're getting from a big four network station?

Perry Sook

Management

Well, it will certainly help, won't it?

Alan Gould

Analyst · Loop Capital. Please go ahead.

Okay. And one for Lee Ann, should we assume CW losses decline sequentially for the rest of the year based on Nexstar's management, and then obviously start improving 4Q once you change the programming?

Lee Ann Gliha

Management

Yes. Fourth quarter should be better than the other quarters in the year.

Alan Gould

Analyst · Loop Capital. Please go ahead.

But should we assume 2Q, 3Q, 4Q to decline sequentially from the $75 million losses that you just reported?

Lee Ann Gliha

Management

Yes, that will – sequentially. I mean we still have all of the programming in place that is related to the expense of programming through the end of the broadcast season. So we will still see losses in Q2 and Q3, Q4 should be better. But I'm not sure what you mean by sequential. Maybe we can chat offline, we can get a little more color on that, what you're looking for.

Alan Gould

Analyst · Loop Capital. Please go ahead.

Okay, thanks Lee Ann.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the floor back over to Perry Sook, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, for closing comments.

Perry Sook

Management

Well, thank you very much for joining us today. We continue to execute against our plan, taking the necessary actions and making the required investments to shape the future of Nexstar and to continue to deliver long-term growth and industry outperformance. In the face of economic uncertainty, we believe that Nexstar remains an attractive investment with higher quality factors, including stable earnings, robust free cash flow generation, return of capital to shareholders and higher credit quality at a reasonable valuation. Thanks, everyone, for joining us today. We look forward to speaking with you again when we report our second quarter results in about 90 days.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.