Well, I think one is, when you have the kind of operating rates that we had in the fourth quarter to carry through the first quarter, really, it comes down to the heavy volume and the spreading of fixed costs over the first and the fourth -- the fourth and the first quarter. And what we've seen in our history is that when you get on these larger projects like Texoma, the longer that you produce them, the more efficient that we get on these projects, so the better gains that we get on the projects. And as you know, we were on Texoma for a long period of time, so that was a big contributor. And I would contribute that kind of volume to a big 80%, 85% of the increased profitability. But as we've talked about in these meetings before, we've also had -- have had a pretty significant focus on our cost-reduction activities. I think that the idea of trying to maximize our tons per man hour and reduce our overhead cost per ton, work on our maintenance cost, work on our quality systems to reduce customer claims and things like working on our -- on the amount of steel that we buy and leveraging what we buy have all contributed pretty significantly to what those margins levels were in the fourth quarter. Now I hesitate to really throw a number on this because we're in a period of time on Water Transmission from the fourth quarter through the first quarter, obviously that it's a pretty high operating rate. So I'll feel more comfortable as we go through a period of time, the second, third, fourth quarters of this year as the operating rates are lower, probably talking about how much that those cost savings initiatives have generated as far as percentage of what the profitability is. But I think one thing we've said before is we cannot control what the price is in any of these markets, but what we can control is our costs and focusing on our costs and working on our costs to make ourselves as profitable as we can be in both of these segments. So that's what we're doing.
Brent Thielman - D.A. Davidson & Co., Research Division: Okay. That's helpful, Scott. And then I know you don't offer specific guidance, but assuming the import situation persists indefinitely and then considering some of the changes you're making within Tubular Products, when can that business get back to a more reasonable level of, I guess, segment earnings? And then the second part of that question, is there a target you'd be willing to discuss for Tubular Products in terms of either earnings or unit margins, I guess, assuming this import situation persists?