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Northwestern Energy Group Inc (NWE)

Q4 2019 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 13, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the NorthWestern Corporation's Year-End 2019 Financial Results Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to NorthWestern's Investor Relation Officer, Travis Meyer. Please go ahead, sir.

Travis Meyer

Management

Thank you, Shelby. Good afternoon, and thank you for joining NorthWestern Corporation's financial results conference call and webcast for the year ending December 31, 2019. NorthWestern's results have been released, and the release is available on our website at northwesternenergy.com. We have also released our 10-K pre-market this morning. Joining us on the call today are Bob Rowe, President and Chief Executive Officer; Brian Bird, Chief Financial Officer; and additionally we have other members of the management team in the room with us to address your questions. Before I turn the call over for us to begin, please note that the Company's press release, this presentation, comments by presenters and responses to your question may contain forward-looking statements and non-GAAP financial information. As such, I will remind you of our safe harbor language. During the course of this presentation, there will be forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements often address our expected future business and financial performance and often contain words such as expects, anticipates, intends, plans, believes, seeks or will. The information in this presentation is based upon our current expectations. Our actual future business and financial performance may differ materially and adversely from our expectations expressed in any forward-looking statements. We undertake no obligation to revise or publicly update our forward-looking statements or this presentation for any reason. Although our expectations and beliefs are based upon reasonable assumptions, actual results may differ materially. The factors that may affect our results are listed in certain of our press releases and disclosed in the Company's Form 10-K and 10-Q, along with other public filings with the SEC. Today's presentation also contains non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to the definitions and reconciliation of these measures that are included in our webcast materials. Following our presentation, we'll open the phone lines to allow those dialed into the teleconference to ask questions. The archived replay of today's webcast will be available for one-year beginning at 6:00 p.m. Eastern Time today and can be found on our website under Our Company, Investor Relations, Presentations and Webcast link. With that, I'll hand it over to our President and CEO, Bob Rowe.

Robert Rowe

Management

Good afternoon, thank you for joining us and we are calling in from our Sioux Falls Office, where the temperatures have rocketed up over the last couple of hours, and it's now a positive two degrees Fahrenheit. I'll start as always with some recent highlights. Net income for 2019 was $202.1 million, that's a $5.1 million or 2.6% increase, compared to last year. Diluted EPS was $3.98, a $0.06 or 1.5% increase, compared to last year. Non-GAAP adjusted EPS was $3.42 and that's a $0.03 or a 9% increase, compared to 2018. The Board declared a quarterly dividend of $0.60 per share, that's a 4.3% increase and that's payable March 31 to shareholders of record as of March 13. Late last year, we issued a carbon reduction vision for our electric portfolio in Montana. We are targeting a 90% reduction in carbon intensity by 2045 starting from a 2010 baseline. In December, we also announced our transaction to acquire an incremental 25% or 185 megawatts of Colstrip Unit 4 from Puget Sound Energy for $1. In February just this month, we filed a request for approval of the Colstrip acquisition with the Montana Commission. In December, the Montana Commission issued a final order approving our electric rate case settlement, and this month we've also issued an all-source competitive solicitation or request for proposals for up to 220 megawatts of peaking and flexible capacity to be available for commercial operation early in 2023. And with that, I'll turn it over to our CFO, Brian Bird to walk through our financial results.

Brian Bird

Management

Thanks, Bob. Slide 4 shows our summary of financial results. The takeaway there as Bob talked about net income $202.1 million, a $5.1 million or 2.6% improvement on a year-over-year basis. I’ll get into details, but generally the 2.3% improvement in gross margin that increase was a higher increase than our operating expenses of about 1% resulting in operating income improvement about 4% that ultimately drove our good results on a year-over-year basis. Turning to Slide 5. In terms of gross margin, gross margin of $939.9 million, a $20.8 million improvement or 2.3%. If you look into the major drivers there I would talk about two things that really from 2018, the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act impact benefit this year $22.1 million versus the 2018 amount. That's offset also with a better electric qualified facilities liability adjustment in 2018. So kind of taking those two offsetting one another, what really drove the results to a great extent. We had good retail volumes on the gas side and electric retail volumes. We also saw some benefit from our rate increase, $4.4 million this year for a nine-month period, an improvement in our electric supply cost recovery. Offsetting that to a degree, we did see some reduction in our electric transmission revenues during the year and also stepped out our natural gas production rates. That total change in gross margin on those items that impact net income was $20.2 million. In addition things that flow through trackers like property tax and production tax credits netted to a $0.6 million increase in gross margin again netting to a total of $20.8 million increase in gross margin. Moving forward to weather on Page 6. Upper right, just to summarize, we did estimate overall favorable weather in 2019 resulted in a $7.3 million pre-tax…

Robert Rowe

Management

Thanks, Brian. I'll start with a couple of words about our carbon statement in Montana. And as you know that's targeted 90% reduction in carbon intensity by 2045, as compared to a 2010 baseline – in the baseline is the result of effectively that's been Colstrip Unit 4 was able to be fully dedicated to serve our customers, the first resource that we had in Montana after going through deregulation and divestiture of the Montana power days. As you know, we are already over 60% carbon-free on a delivered basis in Montana and that compares to 28% average nationwide. This is a Montana specific statement, although it's notable that in South Dakota, we are – I think about 32% carbon-free right now. We’ve referred to this as really a no BS, kind of a carbon statements are not a lot of qualifications to it. It's driven by continued renewables coming on an actually very soon, we'll have more wind on our Montana system. Then we have hydro and we'll have more wind or hydro and then we have Colstrip even after we close on the additional acquisition at Colstrip. Energy efficiency continues to be important. Thermal resources will be very important in meeting our customers’ demands in Montana dispatchable resources. But the frequency, the range of dispatch at this point to diminish as other resources come online toward the end of the decade. We expect there are thermal resources that will be retired. So this is a glide path, it's also worth noting that this really is linked to the same modeling assumptions as in our resource plan and just like the resource plan, this will be updated on a regular basis and that will allow us to capture changes in economics, changes in technology, changes in public policy. One…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We'll take our first question from Mike Weinstein with Credit Suisse.

Michael Weinstein

Analyst

Hi Bob, Brian.

Robert Rowe

Management

Hey, Mike.

Michael Weinstein

Analyst

Hey. Could you talk a little bit more about why the RFP, I guess final decision would be in the first quarter of 2021, what are the – what's the extra, I guess time required for that?

Robert Rowe

Management

It's going to be a very thorough process or through the pre-qualification process there will probably be several stages of evaluation. So we believe in our supply folks, most importantly, believe that's a realistic and prudent schedule.

Brian Bird

Management

Yes. Our expectation is that by this call next year we'd be giving you an outcome.

Michael Weinstein

Analyst

Got you. And have there been any other changes to the process there? Or is it the same process, just seeing more time with it?

Robert Rowe

Management

We are following the process outlined in legislation passed last year in Montana. So that does include several steps that otherwise we wouldn't have – and the legislation actually isn't in place. But for example there we filed the RFP with the commission before releasing it for submission. So that's one extra step that does come in mind under the statute that we'll be taking effect this year.

Michael Weinstein

Analyst

Right. And I mean is the delay coming from you guys you initiate – you're saying that you need more time, it's not that somebody else is saying they need more time like the legislature or the commission itself or?

Robert Rowe

Management

No, I would not. I did use the word delay at all. This as a reasonable schedule to work through.

Brian Bird

Management

We might have been aggressive on the front-end in terms of fully understanding the time period, but working with the independent party revised our time period.

Michael Weinstein

Analyst

Okay, got it. Hey, I was wondering if you could maybe talk a little bit more about the energy imbalance market. I think, Bob, you mentioned that the additional assets are required to join that. And you're planning on joining in next year, is there any timeline that you have for additional assets that might need to be built? I mean what are we talking about here? Is it any significant investments that are required?

Robert Rowe

Management

Those would be the assets that come out of the RFP.

Michael Weinstein

Analyst

Okay, so you need to see that before you can join?

Robert Rowe

Management

No, we're actively going through the steps to join right now. It's a very significant undertaking to get in place all the systems, hardware, software, people to be able to participate in the market and that's a joint undertaking of our transmission department and our supply department.

Brian Bird

Management

Mike, I just add…

Michael Weinstein

Analyst

Yes.

Brian Bird

Management

Mike I just add, the capacity that we plan to build through 2025, certainly meets our needs from an EIM perspective. We or others, obviously through PPA, depending on the outcome of RFPs. But anything we don't have during the time that we're in EMI up until the end of 2025, we'll have to enter into contracts in order to achieve that.

Michael Weinstein

Analyst

Got it. Are there any transmission assets required that need to be built or any additional upgrades there?

Robert Rowe

Management

Not specifically for this. I mentioned, we do have a couple of transmission project under way.

Michael Weinstein

Analyst

Right. All right. Thank you.

Robert Rowe

Management

Thank you.

Brian Bird

Management

Thanks Mike.

Operator

Operator

We'll take our next question from Julien Dumoulin-Smith with Bank of America.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst

Hey, Team. How are you, Brian and Bob?

Robert Rowe

Management

Julien, how are you?

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst

Can you hear me?

Robert Rowe

Management

Yes.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst

Good, pleasure. Absolutely, good to hear from you. So just following up on where Mike was taking a second ago. Timing of equity here, you specifically talked about this upside $200 million. You also put in the slides here 2020, 2021. Are you waiting to get some clarity about that process before kind of the deciding definitively on equity needs? And also when you talk about equity here, is that a definitive block equity or you think about like an ATM process or something like that?

Robert Rowe

Management

I put two answers to your first question, Bob walk through the $222 million of incremental capital from the last time we talk from the slide. And when I talked about it on the last call, I was specifically talking to the $80 million, not the full $222 million and talked about having a need, the latter half of 2020 or into 2021 that's still the case. But again, we just need to size that debt according to needs from a rating agency perspective, again FFO to debt perspective. So that's really answering your first question. Your second question, we've used ATMs in the past, like them, that's certainly a possibility, but we'll evaluate other options as well.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst

Right. So basically whatever comes out of this current process in Montana that would be incremental later on, as you say in the slides, so that's not going to dictate the timing whether 2020 or to early 2021, right, et cetera?

Brian Bird

Management

That's a fair point, Julien. I think, we'll need some equity prior to it outcome. I think in terms of certainly building out anything, if we're fortunate enough to be successful in Montana. That would be certainly beyond the end of 2020 early 2021 time period. So that might be – hopefully that's an incremental amount of equity we're raising at sometime in the future beyond it.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst

Got it, excellent. And then, Brian, did you say – you expect to move to the middle of the 6% to 9% TSR range? And then to the extent which I heard that right, can you clarify how you think about like a base year or anything like that? Sorry, I don't mean to read more into it than is necessary. But I also heard it, so I just want to make sure I heard it right here?

Brian Bird

Management

I appreciate you gave me an opportunity to clarify it again. The main thing here is in 2020 and 2021 we're now at about $400 million of capital investment. If we're able to sustain that type of increase if you will to $400 million every year, I think you'd see our EPS growth rate improve. Again assuming reasonable recovery and thus you'd see EPS plus a dividend yield moving us more to the center of that 6% to 9% range. Is that make sense?

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst

Excellent. Absolutely. No, thank you. I appreciate it, that's important. Sorry quick last little detail here, maybe this is a Bob question. When you think about Colstrip and the various owners, how do you think about consolidating up further your ownership in that plants beyond what's contemplated today, broad-based?

Robert Rowe

Management

Yes, through the RFP we are looking for flexible dispatchable capacity that would complement our other resources, including the PSC portion of Colstrip. So I think what we're looking for again is something that would – in terms of serving our retail customers, something that would be complementary with a big emphasis on flexibility, dispatchability, particularly on an intra-hour basis. And then beyond that we'll just see what's proposed in the RFP.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst

Okay. Is that differently, you don't have a need for base-load coal like Colstrip?

Robert Rowe

Management

I'm comfortable with what we've acquired and beyond that we'll just see what comes in the RFP. But our focus is flexibility, dispatchability and risk management, I would add.

Julien Dumoulin-Smith

Analyst

Absolutely. Thank you very much for the clarification.

Robert Rowe

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

We'll take our next question from Shar Pourreza with Guggenheim Partners.

Shar Pourreza

Analyst · Guggenheim Partners.

Hey guys.

Robert Rowe

Management

Shar, how are you doing?

Shar Pourreza

Analyst · Guggenheim Partners.

Not good, not too bad. Can I just follow up on Julien's question, I guess, putting in a different way, if you are presented with a similar structure as you received with Puget. Would you take on additional interest in Colstrip especially as the partners kind of decarbonize?

Robert Rowe

Management

What I would…

Shar Pourreza

Analyst · Guggenheim Partners.

Can you hear me?

Robert Rowe

Management

As we're focused on resources that are complementary to the resources we have now in terms of ability to be flexible, operate on an intra-hour basis and then manage to diversify our risk as well. And then if you can read into that, if you like.

Shar Pourreza

Analyst · Guggenheim Partners.

Okay, got it. And then obviously you did – you've got the Colstrip deal, you issued the RFP for additional generation. Any sense on sort of the timing and the composition of the next RFP as you think about the duration of your peaking needs?

Robert Rowe

Management

No. I think we'll work through this RFP, see what comes out the other end focus on implementing that, and based on conditions at that time, which will be obviously different in terms of size of the need, the economics, the technology, that's available. But given the exposure that our customers have right now, I don't think we can wait terribly long. The first thing is we get through this process, whenever the results are – get those resources engaged to serve our customers.

Shar Pourreza

Analyst · Guggenheim Partners.

Got it. And then lastly, it's helpful is – you sort of highlighted the complaint around the FCRM pilot program. Is there any – just remind us if there is a statutory deadline, I know you expect a decision, but is there a statutory deadline for Montana, PSC to issue a decision on the petitions? And then Brian, this is maybe a little bit for you. Even if you sort of get a scenario where there is a 25 basis point reduction in the earnings and the ROE. Is there sort of an earnings impact given the fact that you do under earn in Montana?

Brian Bird

Management

Yes. First of all, I think, just to clarify that we spoke about earlier. I think just the MCC is the only party that as far reconsideration associated with the FCRM and the 25 basis point everyone else – I shouldn't say everywhere else, but most parties it's certainly comment on that certainly support moving forward that without any impact on the ROE, and we hope that's where the commission will come down again in that regard. So I'm pretty confident we'll get there, but we'll see. I think the other thing I'd say is, it would be an impact of course to our earnings and regardless if we're earning or under earning, I think it's going to have an impact, if in fact we're deemed in anyway, not an ROE perspective, and so I just leave it at that.

Shar Pourreza

Analyst · Guggenheim Partners.

Got it.

Robert Rowe

Management

The proposal, I thought was maybe the best decoupling our fixed cost proposal I've seen anywhere and was an extremely forward-looking step by the Montana commission. I think that testimony really eviscerated any kind of an argument for an ROE adjustment, but then beyond that said, if you really think this is something to look at that's something that can be evaluated as part of the subsequent study. So I certainly hope the commission sticks to its guns. And there were a number of very good responsive fleeting from other interveners opposing the request for reconsideration.

Shar Pourreza

Analyst · Guggenheim Partners.

Got it. Thanks guys. That was helpful.

Brian Bird

Management

I think one thing too, in terms of the timing. I think we're going to need to get an outcome pretty soon on that, because we're supposed to implement that program by July 1, and so we hope to hear something relatively soon on that.

Robert Rowe

Management

Just one more little footnote following on to implementation of the order. There was also good action by the commission approving, what we're referring to is our green pricing stipulation. So Bobbi Schroeppel, our Vice President for Customer Care and quite a good group of stakeholders are actively working on approaches to develop green products that our customers actually want to buy and we think that's very responsive to what we're hearing from both large and small customers and from some of our cities.

Operator

Operator

We'll take our next question from Jonathan Reeder with Wells Fargo.

Jonathan Reeder

Analyst · Wells Fargo.

Hey, good afternoon gentlemen. Just kind of following up on that comment there, Bob, in your prepared remarks, it kind of sounded like in the RFP based on some of the desire for kind of green products that we might expect some renewables to maybe clear this first RFP? I mean, is that kind of fair?

Robert Rowe

Management

Very honestly, we don't know what will come out the other end, and what will ultimately be expected given the number of parties, who are bidding in. I expect we will see some real diversity in proposals. And as we think about our resource needs, we think about it really as a pyramid, and that's the base long duration, dispatchable resources, and then building up the pyramid dispatchable resource at a shorter duration. So that potentially creates an opportunity to acquire some diverse resources through the process, but the foundational need is going to really be long duration dispatchable resources.

Jonathan Reeder

Analyst · Wells Fargo.

Okay that's helpful. And then Brian, just to confirm the FFO to debt ratio that you guys still target that's 15%?

Brian Bird

Management

We target 15%, I think the clearing is really 14%. We'd like to have some cushion in our FFO to debt.

Jonathan Reeder

Analyst · Wells Fargo.

Okay. And then lastly, the higher T&D CapEx spend that's now in your budget. How does that impact the potential cadence of rate case filings, as well as any rate affordability concerns for your customers?

Brian Bird

Management

Great question, Jonathan. I think twofold, we will obviously as that spend and that was a $223 million that Bob talked about. That's spread across those four years. I would say this. It could move things accelerate things a little quicker. As said in the past that we expect to file bit more frequently certainly than we have in the past and we'll let you know that in April in terms of our timeline, if you will, at least for 2020, if there's any filings. I think the other thing too is we expect during this time period, particularly when we get into EIM, that's going to help reduce any bill headwind. In any time we think about our long-range plans. We're trying to increase the customers at less than inflation.

Robert Rowe

Management

The one thing I'd add to that is, of the $222 million part of it is South Dakota, part of its Montana, part of its electric, part of its gas. So on any one business segment, the increased capital is just that much more modest.

Jonathan Reeder

Analyst · Wells Fargo.

Yes. No, I would like you guys to kind of spread it across the field pretty well so. Okay, thanks so much. That's all for me.

Brian Bird

Management

Thanks Jon.

Operator

Operator

We'll take our next question from Vedula Murti with Avon Capital.

Vedula Murti

Analyst · Avon Capital.

Good afternoon.

Robert Rowe

Management

Good afternoon.

Brian Bird

Management

Hi, Vedula.

Vedula Murti

Analyst · Avon Capital.

In terms of the pending RFP here in Montana, do you have – is there a rate – in the past that it's been difficult for you to be able to come up with self-owned proposals that managed to be able to effectively compete or be able to cross to finish line with the Montana PSC and the independent evaluator. Yet in South Dakota, you were able with the Brownfield site to have a unique situation where it actually did work that way. In this current RFP, do you have any particular new opportunities or advantages that could produce perhaps a better outcome or the likelihood of a self-owned option more so than maybe it's been – then has been in the past?

Robert Rowe

Management

Could you point me to the RFP you're referring to? I'm kind of a blank.

Vedula Murti

Analyst · Avon Capital.

The ones in the past where you wanted to have your self-owned options and you haven't been able to get the PSC or whoever to validate having your self-owned options in Montana?

Robert Rowe

Management

I truly can't think of an example. What I wonder, if you're referring to coming out of the 2015 plan, we undertook an RFP and we would drew it, because of noise at the commission really unrelated. If you recall, that was when commissioner at the time, came up with a reasonable idea that QF contracts ought to be limited to 15 years, but that under a notion of symmetry resources coming out of the RFP, whether owned by us or anybody else also ought to be limited to a 15-year period. So as a result of that separate action by the commission, we ultimately ended up withdrawing the RFP because we requested 20-year proposals. I wonder – could that be what you're thinking of?

Vedula Murti

Analyst · Avon Capital.

Yes. Perhaps in this case, I guess maybe – just maybe ask a little differently then. Given your success in South Dakota, do you feel like in this new process or things that you have advantages in terms of what you will be able to propose, that may perhaps increase the probability of being successful at least in terms of part of solicitation. In addition, does the Colstrip acquisition per dollar actually perhaps influence at all the self-owned viewpoint, given you're not going to be able to fine-tune too much more capacity for dollar?

Robert Rowe

Management

Certainly, I agree with that statement. I think we will participate in the RFP. Obviously, we think we are good at building and operating resources, and we think there are real customer benefits to having us do that. So we're going to participate, but the proposals from all parties will be evaluated on a neutral basis by a third-party, really through a blind process. In terms of relationship to Colstrip either the relationship, I would see is that we did at least defer about a quarter of our customers exposure through that very cost effective transaction. We think that was the right thing to do for our customers. And also we think that was a pretty progressive move in terms of thinking about eventual closing costs and creating a situation where the ultimate decision about disposition of Unit 4 is going to be based either on the economics at that unit or on a public policy decision in Montana, and not somewhere on the coast. Beyond that I really don't see a relationship between Colstrip and the RFP. Brian, do you say anything else?

Brian Bird

Management

No, I think, we obviously, know the service territory that we operate in and have built resources and ask for pre-approval and received approval on resources we put into our portfolio in the past and we plan to compete. That's all I guess I'd add, Bob.

Vedula Murti

Analyst · Avon Capital.

Okay. And I want to make sure I clarify one thing as Julien asked the question in terms of, when you're running and make sure I understand this probably the $400 million – if you were to sustain a $400 million capital expenditure level, when we're talking about the midpoint of the 6% to 9%, given that you're at a 3% yield, the inference is that the $400 million – at a $400 million CapEx run rate, but that would imply about a 4.5% earnings CAGR as part of that as your 6% to 9%. Is that fair?

Brian Bird

Management

That is the approximate math, if you use that 3% flat dividend yield, correct. And I think the reason for sharing that is historically we have said in the past, in light of the lower growth and investment in some of the outcomes we had been receiving, we expect it to be in the lower end of that 6% to 9% range that we're certainly pleased in terms of being able to invest capital, including the $80 million that we're investing in South Dakota, and Bob pointed out, projects that we – throughout our service territories, both electric and gas certainly to our customers benefit, but that higher level of investment allow us to move up within that range.

Vedula Murti

Analyst · Avon Capital.

And also to clarify also the equity question, given the timing you laid out toward early 2021, which also lines up with the outcome of the RFP process in Montana. Is there any reason not to simply wait to find out what that outcome is in terms of figuring out whether it'd be an ATM program or maybe whatever the sizing is and that type of thing and with the agencies, do you feel like you have time to perpetuate that if you have an idea of what the outcome is?

Brian Bird

Management

Yes. I think – it's a fair question. I think, obviously, one of the benefits of an ATM program you could size that if in fact you – let's say, you weighted into the first quarter and you knew an outcome from that you could certainly size that and utilize that over time, it's certainly something to think about. We just wanted to make sure we gave people the impression of the timing that around an equity raise, and so something certain to think about, Vedula.

Vedula Murti

Analyst · Avon Capital.

Okay. And just in terms, if we're running at a $400 million CapEx program. Given your cash flow profile in order to keep – maintain a balanced capital structure. Should we be thinking at that point in time that something in the $100 million to $200 million kind of area is what would be required to maintain the capital structure?

Brian Bird

Management

Vedula, I think people all run their various models and I think they probably have in their miles on FFO to debt calculation for us. That's what we're really trying to get you to do is from your perspective in a modeling perspective for you to size that equity. We're not going to provide you what we believe that is at this point in time.

Vedula Murti

Analyst · Avon Capital.

All right. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We'll take our next question from Brian Russo with Sidoti.

Brian Russo

Analyst · Sidoti.

Hi, good afternoon.

Robert Rowe

Management

Hey, Brian.

Brian Russo

Analyst · Sidoti.

Hey. Just on Slide 38, the rate base and authorized returns, just remind us your thought process here. You're currently earning on $3.4 billion of rate base, but your actual estimated rate base, if you kind of true it up outside the historical test years is $3.8 billion. Is that the way to look at? So that delta will – that was roughly $400 million will be need to – be recovered in future rate cases?

Brian Bird

Management

That's correct. The $3.8 million is a future rate case perspective. If it all happened on a particular date today, we would be earning on the $3.8 million, $7.3 million, currently earning on the $3.4 million today.

Brian Russo

Analyst · Sidoti.

Okay, so – and the timing of these upcoming rate cases is to be determined and like you said, maybe after your first quarter call in April?

Brian Bird

Management

That's when we give you an indication, what we plan to do in 2020.

Brian Russo

Analyst · Sidoti.

And in South Dakota for recovery of the peaker plant, are you going to pursue the general rate case route? Or file for a tracking mechanism?

Brian Bird

Management

Yes. We're going to pursue that the rate case, Brian, I think the timing of that will determine whether we can get a known and measurable adjustments. So the timing of that will also require us to have some conversation with the commission and regardless, while we're making an investment in that and we – I said, we don't have a rate case, we certainly would have AFUDC during that time period.

Brian Russo

Analyst · Sidoti.

Okay. So would this be like a one-off rate case or would you seek recovery of the difference between $606.6 million and $557.3 million, which was authorized back in December of $15 million plus, the $80 million for the peaker? Is that...

Brian Bird

Management

I think, it would be all in. It would be all in. And potentially if it was primarily, as you can see from the schedule, you're looking at it's primarily on the electric side, where we have that need and obviously the generation units on the electric side. So if we have a rate case from a South Dakota electric perspective, we're not just going to do the $80 million of investment in the plants. It's going to be for all of our South Dakota electric business.

Brian Russo

Analyst · Sidoti.

Got it. And then just to clarify, remind us the peaker plant in South Dakota being built in Huron, South Dakota. Is that at an existing generation facility? Or is it just that some sort of industrial site that has easier access to transmission?

Brian Bird

Management

That is our site.

Brian Russo

Analyst · Sidoti.

It's your site. Okay. Got it.

Brian Bird

Management

Correct.

Brian Russo

Analyst · Sidoti.

Thank you very much.

Brian Bird

Management

Thank you, Brian.

Operator

Operator

We have no more questions in the queue at this time.

Robert Rowe

Management

Okay, great. Thank you all very much for your interest and support. We'll see quite a few of you over the next two months, and hopefully be visiting with all of you in April. Take care.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.