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Northwestern Energy Group Inc (NWE)

Q4 2018 Earnings Call· Tue, Feb 12, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good day and welcome to the NorthWestern Corporation’s Year End 2018 Financial Results Conference Call and Webcast. Today’s event is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to NorthWestern’s Investor Relations Officer, Travis Meyer. Sir, please go ahead.

Travis Meyer

Management

Thank you, Chelsea. Good afternoon and thank you for joining NorthWestern Corporation’s financial results conference call and webcast for the quarter ending December 31, 2018. NorthWestern’s results have been released and the release is available at our website at northwesternenergy.com. We also released our 10-K pre-market this morning. On the call with us today are Bob Rowe, President and Chief Executive Officer; Brian Bird, Chief Financial Officer. In addition, we have several other members of management in the room with us today to address questions if needed. Before I turn the call over for us to begin, please note this company’s press release, this presentation, comments by presenters and responses to your questions may contain forward-looking statements. As such, I will remind you of our Safe Harbor language. During the course of this presentation, there will be forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements often address our expected future business and financial performance and often contain words such as expects, anticipates, intends, plans, believes, seeks or will. The information in this presentation is based upon our current expectations. Our actual future business and financial performance may differ materially and adversely from our expectations expressed in any forward-looking statements. We undertake no obligation to revise or publicly update our forward-looking statements or this presentation for any reason. Although our expectations and beliefs are based on reasonable assumptions, actual results may differ materially. The factors that may affect our results are listed in certain of our press releases and disclosed in the company’s Form 10-K and 10-Q along with other public filings with the SEC. Following our presentation today, we will open the phone lines to allow those dialed in to the teleconference to ask questions. The archived replay of today’s webcast will be available beginning at 6:00 p.m. Eastern Time today and can be found on our website at northwesternenergy.com under the Our Company, Investor Relations, Presentations and Webcasts link. The audio replay of the call is available at 888-203-1112, then access code 3377935. Again, that is 888-203-1112, access code 3377935. I will now hand our presentation over to our CEO, Bob Rowe.

Bob Rowe

Management

Thank you, Travis and greetings from South Dakota where the sun is out today, which is a little bit unnerving after the winter weather we have been enjoying. So we are wondering whether we have done something to displease the snow Gods. We just finished our Board of Directors meeting. A number of you have met members of our board and my reflection on the last several days was we have remarkably engaged the board and from a governance perspective, they spent time on all of the key governance and growth initiatives and really are at the core of our strength as a company. Jumping into 2018 highlights, net income for the year increased $34.3 million or 21.1% as compared with the same period in 2017 and this increase was primarily due to a gain related to the adjustment of our electric QF liability to demand for electric transmission to customer growth after favorable weather in South Dakota as well as the net impact of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. And these improvements were partly offset by an increase in depreciation expense. Diluted EPS increased $0.58 or 17.4% as compared to the same period last year. Then after adjusting to remove benefits of the QF gain and TCJA and the small amount of favorable weather, non-GAAP earnings per share increased by $0.09 or 2.7% as compared to the same period in 2017 and Travis has included the bridge at Page 30 and I would characterize our adjustments GAAP to non-GAAP as conservative and transparent. We filed an electric general rate review with the Montana Public Service Commission at the end of September and we are requesting a $34.9 million or 6.6% annual increase to our base revenues primarily as a result of increases in property taxes and capital investment…

Brian Bird

Management

Thanks Bob. On Page 4 is a summary of the financial results, Bob did touch upon these, but on the summary page, you see net income is $197 million, an increase of $34.3 million or 21% and resulting in diluted earnings per share of $3.92 a share, a $0.58 improvement or 17.4%. And lastly, dividends paid $2.20, which was a $0.10 increase or almost a 5% increase on a year-over-year basis. Turning to next page, talking about gross margin on a full year perspective, gross margin was $919.1 million, that was a $23.7 million or 2.6% increase for the year. As you can see, that was primarily derived from our electric side of our business. When you consider the increase in gross margin due to those factors that actually impact net income, gross margin actually was increased $30 million or 3.3%. Speaking of those items, what were the primary drivers? The electric QF liability adjustment we talked about in the second quarter of this year. For the full year basis, our electric transmission business is up $6.2 million. We have seen increased utilization of our system during the year. Natural gas retail volumes, $3.3 million improvement, customer growth and primarily a significant contribution of our South Dakota business, which was much colder and I’ll mention that in a minute. Offsetting those improvements, you see a $6.1 million reduction in gross margin, the impact of the TCJA or the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act and think of that as effective the amount that we paid over the tax benefit that we actually received if you will from TCJA. All of those items netted to the $30 million change in gross margin impacting net income. Below that, those items that do not – offset elsewhere in the P&L and do not impact…

Bob Rowe

Management

Thank you, Brian. I will highlight several things and come back and discuss a number of those in more detail. First, on the regulatory front, obviously, the primary focus is the Montana electric rate case we filed in September and that we are working hard now on a parallel FERC case to be filed in the first quarter concerning our FERC jurisdictional Montana transmission assets, ongoing investments in transmission and distribution infrastructure. As we have discussed on previous calls, we take a comprehensive approach to our electric and natural gas infrastructure, focusing on safety, capacity and reliability and cost effective technology investments. Natural gas safety-related investments are an important part of that as is grid modernization, including an advanced distribution management system we are deploying this year and advanced metering that we are actively deploying really moving from north to south and South Dakota and Nebraska in both our electric and natural gas systems. A notable and I think important development is we have decided to join the Western Energy Imbalance Market and that’s a real-time energy market that could potentially lower the cost of energy for our customers, but also provide more efficient use of renewables and reliability and also greater access potentially for developers in Montana to the market. Off to the right, you see a graphic that’s really indicative of where we sit in our Montana electric operation in relation to the rest of the Western grid. We are on the very edge. So before committing to the Western market, we did consider other alternatives and had to determine ultimately that joining the Western Energy Imbalance Market would be a cost effective decision for our customers and a good decision for the state. And then you have the timeline. We actually have an important meeting in several…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question will come from Nicholas Campanella with Bank of America.

Nicholas Campanella

Analyst

Hi, there. How are you?

Brian Bird

Management

Hi, Nick.

Nicholas Campanella

Analyst

Hi. So, I just had a quick question, first on the resource planning. I know you said $200 million to the next 5 years. Is it safe to assume that’s just for the 60 megawatts in South Dakota and 200 megawatts in Montana or is there more spend associated with that 200 megawatts per year from 2022 to 2025?

Brian Bird

Management

Yes. I want to just be, make sure, Nick, you’re following. So, the 200 megawatts per year, Bob was talking about the Montana plan itself when you talked about that over actually a four-year period. We’ll be asking for RFPs here and each year associated for 200 megawatts. The 60 megawatts for South Dakota was completely separate from that discussion.

Nicholas Campanella

Analyst

Got it. Okay. But all-in, we should be thinking about $200 million for these programs in capital?

Brian Bird

Management

Well, I think what we said here is, from our perspective, we’re not including any of the capital from South Dakota or Montana from these RFPs that are going out through our resource plans in Montana sector, we’re not including anything in our capital plans. We’re saying, we hope to and could expect to, when up in excess of $200 million associated with that. So, we’re not saying that’s Montana, South Dakota or anything at this point of time.

Bob Rowe

Management

The RFPs in each case will be run by a third-party. We have the opportunity to participate, but the RFP will select the option best for customers.

Nicholas Campanella

Analyst

Absolutely. Got it. And then just on the no equity comments from the CapEx slide, can you just, Brian, give us a sense of where your FFO-to-debt metrics were on a trailing basis here and then where you see them going in your current capital plan barring any upward revisions in the CapEx from successful RFPs?

Brian Bird

Management

Yes. I think when you look at ‘18 and just thinking about how the rating agencies do that, I see ourselves being in the high 15s and expect to stay in that level and improve a bit over time, which is quite a bit above kind of a 14% and a mid BBB, BAA2, if you will, at Moody’s. At those levels, we think as long as we’re above 14, we’re going to be in pretty good shape. And so, right now, our plans are in good shape and should be able to manage this capital plan appropriately. But as Bob pointed out, if we’re successful in any of these RFPs or if there’s anything else that comes up from a negative regulatory standpoint, obviously, things could change. But we feel good with our capital plan, and we’re going to be in a great shape with the rating agencies.

Nicholas Campanella

Analyst

Great. And then my last question was, and I’m sorry if you touched on it already, but I know that you guys aren’t giving ‘19 guidance given the pending rate review, are there any kind of tangible drivers you could kind of call out for the year in either direction? I know you have the 0% to 5% tax guidance out there, but where would you see O&M or property taxes going in that time period?

Brian Bird

Management

Yes. We’re not prepared to talk about that at this point in time, Nick.

Nicholas Campanella

Analyst

Alright. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Michael Weinstein with Credit Suisse.

Michael Weinstein

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Hi, guys.

Brian Bird

Management

Hey, Michael.

Bob Rowe

Management

Hey, Michael.

Michael Weinstein

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Hey. So, the $6.1 million negative impact in 2018 from the TCJA, is that – that is based on an 18 months settlement versus the original 12 months that you had originally put into your guidance or actually reserved for it, I guess, right. So, the $6.1 million is the additional impact of the additional 6 months. Is that basically reverse in 2019 because it accounts for taxes that will be paid in 2019?

Brian Bird

Management

I guess, I look at it this way. The settlement on the electric side was handled in ‘18 and so there’s going to be no detriment or deferrals, if you will, in ‘19 associated with electric side of the business. We will continue to – on the gas side, the $1.3 million on a going forward basis, so that deferral, if you will, continue, but we did settle in ‘18 for all of electric and until new rates go into effect from the rate case, we’re done with TCJA.

Michael Weinstein

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Right, okay. So basically – but it is a kind of a pull-forward of $6.1 million of earnings impact, right, from taxes into 2018 that would have occurred in 2019?

Brian Bird

Management

Yes. I could say at least for that half year. I’d argue that the half of that would have rolled into ‘19 had we not settled, right, because if the rate case goes back July 1.

Michael Weinstein

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Right. And on EIM, have you guys thought about what kind of transmission infrastructure might be needed in order to comply with EIM rules by 2021? Is there any potential CapEx there that might come up?

Bob Rowe

Management

What I would say is, we’re an active participant in the regional market. EIM will increase that activity and certainly, we would look for any opportunities.

Michael Weinstein

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

And also just one last question. When you look at the rate cases and – the rate case and the RFPs, what do you think at this point this year might give you enough confidence? At what point would you have enough confidence to perhaps raise the total return guidance back to the old 7% to 10%?

Brian Bird

Management

It’s a great question. Until we see good traction on the resource plan and actually us being able to invest, obviously, we don’t know how we’re going – how that’s going to work out, but I thought I made it pretty clear in the past that you’d see us move up within that range that 6% to 9%, if we’re making some investment on the electric supply side. So, I don’t see there is any change in that dialog until we’re successful, if we are – ever become successful in that regard.

Bob Rowe

Management

Brian wanted to answer that question.

Michael Weinstein

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

You don’t actually have – I do have one more question. It has to do with the tax repairs deduction. So, there is a benefit of that – there is a benefit from that in 2018 earnings. How is that being proposed to be treated in the rate case?

Brian Bird

Management

Well that – if you’re talking about the $19.8 million excess deferred tax liability adjustment, if you’re talking about that particular item, I’m not sure of the question, but if you’re talking about that, since that was associated with goodwill, that’s not going to be dealt within the rate case, that’s a non-jurisdictional item. I make sure I’m understanding your question, Michael.

Michael Weinstein

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

I think that’s right, I think that’s right. Yes. I’m just wondering is that being disputed though, whether it’s non-jurisdictional or they’re not, yes?

Brian Bird

Management

Disputed is associated with goodwill.

Michael Weinstein

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Okay, alright.

Brian Bird

Management

But you did – I thought you might have said the words repairs, that’s what kind of threw me off there, Michael.

Michael Weinstein

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Yes, yes, yes. I’m thinking specifically about the repairs deduction?

Brian Bird

Management

No, repairs most likely will be dealt within in the rate case, yes, all taxes will be captured in the rate case, including how we handle repairs.

Michael Weinstein

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Are you booking a benefit from that right now?

Brian Bird

Management

Well, we continue to take repairs deductions during the year, correct.

Michael Weinstein

Analyst · Credit Suisse.

Okay. Thanks.

Brian Bird

Management

Thanks, Mike.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst

Good afternoon.

Brian Bird

Management

Hey, Paul.

Bob Rowe

Management

Hey, Paul.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst

Where does your request for interim rates stand and what’s that process look like?

Bob Rowe

Management

Typically, the Montana Commission waits until intervenor testimony is received. As you know, that’s coming in today. And then we would expect them to schedule the work session in the next several weeks to decide whether and if yes, how much interim relief to grant. In fact, Montana is that we want to see the delta between the filing parties ask and particularly, the consumer counsel’s testimony.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst

And when would that be retroactive to?

Bob Rowe

Management

That would be up to the commission, but have included our request.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst

Okay. So, there’s no fixed date after you file when interim rates would kick in?

Bob Rowe

Management

No.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst

Thank you very much.

Brian Bird

Management

Thanks, Paul.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Paul Patterson with Glenrock Associates.

Paul Patterson

Analyst · Glenrock Associates.

Good afternoon, guys.

Brian Bird

Management

Hey, Paul.

Paul Patterson

Analyst · Glenrock Associates.

So just – there’s a lot of moving pieces here with respect to the capital opportunities that you guys have and just sort of looking forward here, I mean, some of these things might have offsets like grid mod in theory might have lower costs associated with operations and what have you. I’m just sort of wondering, how do you guys think about the trajectory for rates given sort of the robust CapEx that you guys have got going in and given the other puts and takes, if you follow me? And how should we think about you guys going in for regulatory relief?

Brian Bird

Management

That’s an excellent question. I think from our perspective, we factor in the impact on customers’ rates as we look at our capital plan and we certainly don’t want to see that exceed inflationary pressures. I think you’ve seen us also manage our costs significantly to try to keep that as full as possible. And so we think at the capital levels that we have in place, that is going to do exactly that keep rates relatively flat, but increasingly add inflationary pressures.

Paul Patterson

Analyst · Glenrock Associates.

Okay.

Bob Rowe

Management

The history over the last several years, certainly for the last decade, has been one of thoughtfully scheduling investments in traditional infrastructure, as well as in technology to do just that on both the electric and cost side. We manage to maintain rates significantly below national averages and that’s even with the unique contribution that the Montana centrally assessed property tax makes to our customers’ bills. So, we’ve done a good job managing the cost to customers and our staged approach to capital isn’t part of reflection of that.

Paul Patterson

Analyst · Glenrock Associates.

Okay, great.

Brian Bird

Management

I’d also add to that. I think one thing that we’ve had success in the past when we have made investments in supply resources, we’ve offset other costs that pass through to our customers. So that impact, if we were to increase our capital spend for any of those things, isn’t going to have a significant impact on customers either. So that’s – that’s also our hope.

Paul Patterson

Analyst · Glenrock Associates.

Okay, great. And then just on the FERC 2019 case that you plan on filing, could you give us a little bit of a preview as to what you are sort of thinking of there and sort of what’s driving all that? I apologize for not being more on top of it.

Brian Bird

Management

Bob, go ahead.

Bob Rowe

Management

Yes, all I was going to say was read it when it comes out. We are anticipating looking at more of a formulaic approach, but the ultimate point is to reconcile what happens in the FERC jurisdiction with what happens in this case in the Montana jurisdiction and to keep us and our shareholders hold.

Paul Patterson

Analyst · Glenrock Associates.

Could you elaborate a little bit more on that? I apologize. So, are you saying that you want to – when you talk about having them match each other, could you – I’m sorry, could you tell us a little bit more about that?

Bob Rowe

Management

Well, so that we are neither under-recovering or over-recovering in either jurisdiction. So that essentially nothing falls off the table in the gap between the two.

Paul Patterson

Analyst · Glenrock Associates.

Okay. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

Well, thank you. Our next question comes from Vedula Murti with Avon Capital.

Vedula Murti

Analyst · Avon Capital.

Good afternoon.

Bob Rowe

Management

Hey, Vedula.

Brian Bird

Management

Hey, Vedula.

Vedula Murti

Analyst · Avon Capital.

Hi. A couple of things. I just want to make sure I’m kind of clear on this. The 60-megawatt RFP in South Dakota, and when will you know whether – I assume you’ll be allowed to put in your own proposal with others in third-party evaluates, when do you find out the winner?

John Hines

Analyst · Avon Capital.

This is John Hines. We’re going to be issuing the RFP in April approximately by the end of the third, fourth quarter, we’ll have an idea of what those bids are and we’ll make the determination of whether we’re successful. We’ll be part of an EPC bid with the – at the existing site in Huron and we have the determination in early 2020 with hopefully construction to begin soon thereafter.

Bob Rowe

Management

John is our Vice President for Electric and Gas Supply.

Vedula Murti

Analyst · Avon Capital.

Okay. So, you’ll be able to tell us that whether or not your proposal was the least cost, most effective one like call like 4Q of ‘19?

John Hines

Analyst · Avon Capital.

Correct.

Vedula Murti

Analyst · Avon Capital.

Okay. And so – okay, and construction is how long?

John Hines

Analyst · Avon Capital.

We can’t tell with any definition right now, it will be depending upon the bid, but we expect it to be operational by 2022.

Vedula Murti

Analyst · Avon Capital.

And is there like a general dollar range that we should be kind of boxing things of off?

John Hines

Analyst · Avon Capital.

Again, I’d be reluctant to give a dollar range right now until the competitive solicitations are complete and evaluated.

Vedula Murti

Analyst · Avon Capital.

But I think I was going back to Nick’s question about the $200 million, is the 60 megawatts a subset of that $200 million or the 60 megawatts is completely separate?

Brian Bird

Management

I think it depends. If you’re talking about the $200 million of these additions could increase our capital spending excess of $200 million over the next 5 years. If you’re talking about that, our opportunity to participate in this would be considered in that.

Vedula Murti

Analyst · Avon Capital.

That would be part of that, okay. And then in Montana, the RFP there is for 200, correct?

Bob Rowe

Management

That would flow out of the plan when filed and the comments on the plan.

John Hines

Analyst · Avon Capital.

Yes. It’s up to 200 megawatts beginning this year.

Brian Bird

Management

I think what Bob mentioned earlier in the call is when he said rinse and repeat is, we’re going to be doing 200-megawatt RFPs in multiple years after that.

Vedula Murti

Analyst · Avon Capital.

So, if you have an RFP – is this RFP already outstanding in your – in motion?

Bob Rowe

Management

No. The – as part of the plan development, there was a request for information, but – and actual RFP soliciting proposals to build or contract any kind of facility or any kind of demand side activity would come after the plan has been filed presumably after a 60-day comment period in front of the commission. So that is a future event.

Vedula Murti

Analyst · Avon Capital.

So, based on previous experience, at what point would this RFP be issued?

Bob Rowe

Management

At some point, if the schedule holds, I would say no longer than later this year.

John Hines

Analyst · Avon Capital.

That’s correct. The urgency, I think as we’ve talked about before is pretty strong given what we see as the regional shortages coming up, as well as our deficit internally. And so we will be moving as quickly as possible to move – to get these RFPs in action year-over-year.

Bob Rowe

Management

And our customers, we are already seeing significant price volatility at peak in both summer and winter periods, and that is – the price risk is indicative of an underlying supply risk and so forth.

Vedula Murti

Analyst · Avon Capital.

So, will we know by the end of ‘19 the outcome of the RFP in Montana?

Bob Rowe

Management

No.

Vedula Murti

Analyst · Avon Capital.

We will not know until 2020?

Bob Rowe

Management

Correct. John?

Vedula Murti

Analyst · Avon Capital.

And once we know in ‘20 – okay.

John Hines

Analyst · Avon Capital.

I was just going to say what Bob’s referring to is the regulatory uncertainty depending on when we get the plan out, when we get to 60 days and the timeframe necessary to conduct the competitive solicitation, we may have that information by the end of 2019 or early 2020. We just can’t give a firm date until we actually undergo the process.

Vedula Murti

Analyst · Avon Capital.

When you say end of ‘19, early ‘20, that will be a total resolution of knowing what happened?

John Hines

Analyst · Avon Capital.

That’s correct.

Vedula Murti

Analyst · Avon Capital.

Okay.

Operator

Operator

Alright. Thank you. Our next question will come from Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst

Bob, how often does rinse and repeat, how often do you do that?

Bob Rowe

Management

It could be developed during the planning process, but realistically, 3 times to 4 times.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst

Annually or –

Bob Rowe

Management

[indiscernible] by the way.

Brian Bird

Management

Paul, it will be 4 times in order to meet our needs by 2025.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst

By 2025?

Brian Bird

Management

Yes. In order to get RFPs in place, actually get construction and get these resources up and ready by 2025, we’re going to need about 800 megawatts, if you will. After that, those 4 RFPs are going to have to get accumulated to 800 megawatts. And in essence, you’re going to have to be carried out over a time period to fill that gap by 2025.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst

That’s basically about every year, you’re going to have to do an RFP, is it sounds like?

Brian Bird

Management

Correct.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst

Okay. And each of those is $200 million or cumulatively $200 million?

Brian Bird

Management

200 megawatt – 200 megawatts.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst

But the $200 million of potential capital, is that for the first RFP?

Brian Bird

Management

Yes. The $200 million of capital of our capital is the ability to participate in all of these efforts. And we’re saying that our expectation is we could do in excess of $200 million of capital in all of these activities.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst

Okay. So, you get a slice of each RFP or one RFP or something like that?

Brian Bird

Management

Absolutely. Something in Montana, something in South Dakota, I’m not going to share what our expectation is of capital by projects.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst

Understood. Thank you very much for clearing that up.

Bob Rowe

Management

Just a minute more on the process and John can add to that. The South Dakota process, as we’ve described is well underway, very well defined. In Montana, the RFPs would flow out of the plan. The plan models a variety of scenarios, focuses on what is our customers’ critical unmet need, and again, that is for dispatchable, sustained peak the kind of resources that you need multiple times during the year to offset availability and price risk. A fair question given how deficit we are, why are you doing this over a period of years rather than simply going out once and eliminating that risk? What we are doing, back to the earlier question about rate request is managing cost to our customers and taking advantage of the likely diversity of proposals over time and likely, we hope changes in price and changes in technologies that might become available. So, we are emphatically not selecting particular favored resources. We’re – have an independent process to identify the very best resources to meet our customers’ needs and designing a process that will be open to alternate technologies as those technologies become cost-effective.

John Hines

Analyst

Yes. I’d say there’s three main things or takeaways, I would suggest, that will be coming out of this plan. One, the customers in Montana, their portfolio is significantly short; two, the region which NorthWestern purchases power is becoming shorter and shorter, especially from a capacity perspective; and three is, the regulatory expectation is that we run competitive solicitations. And so that’s our plan to fulfill all three of those over the next 5 years.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Alright. Thank you. We have another question from Vedula Murti with Avon Capital.

Vedula Murti

Analyst

Sorry, a few here, but – in 2018, what was the earned ROE in Montana as compared to your ROE request in the current case?

Brian Bird

Management

Yes. Vedula, we’ll be coming out with our Montana Annual Report shortly after we make our FERC Form-1 filing and we’ll display at that point in time our Montana ROEs, so you have to wait a bit for that.

Vedula Murti

Analyst

Okay. And I assume that’s the same for the FERC ROE with respect to that filing as well?

Brian Bird

Management

We’ll have a FERC ROE in the filing itself, correct.

Vedula Murti

Analyst

Okay. Because it will be – I am sure it will be overly simplistic to basically thank that if you took your current Montana request and zeroed it out and basically took what would seem to be the after-tax effect, that’s kind of what you earned, that’s overly simplistic, that’s what I kind of was trying to figure that out.

Brian Bird

Management

Yes. I wish I can help you on that.

Operator

Operator

Okay. Alright. And there are currently no further questions in the queue at this time.

Bob Rowe

Management

Okay, great. Well, thank you very much for joining us and look forward to visiting with all of you next quarter and many of you over in the next few weeks. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today’s teleconference and you may now disconnect.