Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the nVent Q1 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only. After the speaker presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. J.C. Weigelt. Thank you. Please go ahead, sir.

Thank you, Shelby, and welcome, everyone to nVent's First Quarter 2020 Earnings Call. I'm J.C. Weigelt, Vice President of Investor Relations; and also on the call are Beth Wozniak, our Chief Executive Officer; and Sara Zawoyski, our Chief Financial Officer. Today, we will provide details on our first quarter performance as well as a COVID-19 business update on actions we are taking and what we are seeing in our business. Before we begin, let me remind you that any statements made about the company's anticipated financial results are forward-looking statements subject to future risks and uncertainties, such as the risks outlined in today's press release and nVent's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Forward-looking statements are made as of today, and the company undertakes no obligation to update publicly such statements to reflect subsequent events or circumstances. Actual results could differ materially from anticipated results. Today's webcast is accompanied by a presentation, which can be found in the Investors section of nVent's website. References to non-GAAP financials are reconciled in the appendix of the presentation. We'll have time for questions after our prepared remarks. And now I will turn the call over to Beth.

Thank you, J.C. Good morning, and thank you for joining us. Our goal today is to provide a business update around COVID-19 and spend some time on first quarter results. First, we hope that you and those around you are safe and healthy. I also want to take a moment to thank our nVent employees, all of whom are making extraordinary efforts to support our customers, support our communities and support one another. In a recent survey, there were two common themes that emerged across nVent. The first was results, and the second was caring, and I see these qualities each and every day with our employees, especially right now. I am so proud and grateful. Turning to Slide 3. I would like to share our three near term goals. First, we are focusing on the safety and well-being of our employees. Across our sites, we've adopted social distancing, expanded our hygiene practices and are working from home where possible. In addition, all of our plants have checklists, laying out best practices to follow and learn from one another. We've launched updated well-being programs for employees, focused on mental health, social, financial and nutrition components. We are taking proactive safety measures. All of our facilities have COVID-19 readiness plans. We are in the process of rolling out a temperature testing program, and many sites have already implemented facemasks for added safety. Communication is critical during these times. Our leadership team meets daily, and we're conducting town halls and team meetings with employees to keep them informed of what actions we are taking and listening to their concerns. Early on, we established a coronavirus information hub that is regularly updated with the latest resources and best practices. Many of our employees are working from home, and a global cross-functional team is…

Thank you, Beth. Let's turn to Slide 8 to review first quarter 2020 results. Sales of $520 million were down 3% relative to last year on a reported basis and declined approximately 8% organically. The acquisitions of Eldon and WBT added five points to growth and performed well overall against our expectations. As we looked at trends during the quarter, average daily orders declined low single digits for most of the quarter, however, quickly deteriorated in the last several weeks of March, ending the quarter down roughly 5%. First quarter free cash flow was better than prior year despite lower profits as our working capital initiatives began to take hold. We saw good improvements in inventory during the quarter, specifically, EFS made some early progress reducing finished goods inventory. We continue to target 100% cash conversion for the full year. Now please turn to Slide 9 for a discussion of our first quarter segment performance. Starting with Enclosures. Sales of $259 million grew 1% with the addition of Eldon and declined 8% organically. As we expected, the industrial vertical was slow during the quarter with additional weakness from COVID-19. Eldon had a strong quarter, growing 3% and expanding return on sales over 300 basis points as we continued to execute on our integration plan. Enclosures segment income declined 10%, mainly due to lower volumes and the impact from COVID-19, resulting in return on sales declining 200 basis points. We did initiate cost actions during the quarter that should begin to read out in the second quarter and balance of the year. Moving to Thermal Management. Sales of $121 million declined 16% organically. There were two main factors impacting Thermal Management sales this quarter. First, we saw pressure in the oil and gas vertical due to lower oil prices, which immediately…

Thank you, Sara. Please turn to Slide 13, summarizing our prepared remarks today. Our goals during these challenging times are clear. First, we are focusing on the safety and well-being of our employees. Our second goal is to continue business operations to serve our customers and support critical infrastructure. Third, we are taking actions to emerge from this current situation as a stronger company. We have a healthy balance sheet and solid liquidity position. We have already begun executing on levers to unlock cash with our working capital initiatives. Our longer-term strategy remains intact. And we have accelerated and expanded many of our One nVent initiatives. These include a focus on key verticals where we think we can win, geographic expansion and new product introductions. We continue to drive productivity across our business and are in the midst of a digital transformation to improve analytics and velocity as well as the customer and employee experience. We will continue to evaluate our capital allocation strategy with the goal of finding the best return with our cash. Long-term growth is a priority for us, and our team continues to execute on our strategy. We believe we are focused in the right areas to drive growth and deliver positive results. These are uncertain times, and I'm proud of the way our team has performed. As we take these actions in response to COVID-19, our ultimate goal is to emerge stronger. We thank you for your support, and we remain committed to making nVent a top-tier performance company. With that, I will now turn the call over to the operator to start Q&A.

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Jeff Sprague of Vertical Research.

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Hope everyone as well. Just a couple from me, and I'm sorry, I missed the first couple of minutes of the call. But looking at the $50 million of cost out for 2020. Could you elaborate on how much of that is temporary? And then I appreciate the discussion on managing decrementals. Kind of wondering what you would have kind of teed up to do additionally if things do remain challenging over the balance of the year?

Yes. Good morning, Jeff. So I'll just start by answering the question on the cost reduction efforts. So on that $50 million of targeted cost reductions for 2020, roughly $20 million of that is temporary. And we'd expect to see roughly half of that in Q2 with some of those specific actions that we talked about in terms of temporary salary reductions and furloughs. The remaining $30 million is really more structural. $15 million of that is really the carryover from 2019. So that should be largely reading out here in the first half of the year. And the rest of that is structural, incremental actions that we're taking in 2020, and that's largely going to read out in Q2, Q3 and Q4. So it looks like more of a $20 million annualized cost-out savings. And that's really targeted more so in the thermal space, largely around oil and gas as well as in Enclosures that we saw.

Great. And then what are the things that you're looking at if we problem here?

Yes. So some of the additional cost actions include really extending some of these temporary cost actions that we've, at least currently sitting here today, are focused on Q2. Secondarily would be taking a further reduction in some of our discretionary spend, including T&E in Q3 and Q4. We'd also be adjusting our inventory compensation expense. That's largely intact here in Q1, as you typically would expect. It's early on in the year, but we would see some incremental benefit from incentive compensation as well as targeted real estate, office spaces and some targeted footprint actions. So there are incremental additional actions that we would take, obviously, as things would progress in terms of depth or duration.

And then one other follow-up for me. I appreciate none of us has a crystal ball, so actually getting the demand equation right is challenging, and we're all making our best guess here. But I wonder on channel inventory. How closely linked your business is right now to where the inventories stand? I guess the question really, to put simplistically, do we have to work through some notable channel inventory liquidation before your sales kind of reconnect with end demand? Or are we kind of pacing at end demand right now?

This is Beth, Jeff. And I think that's one of the things in our business. As we've always shared, 2/3 of our revenue goes through distribution channels. And we've shared the models in the past especially '08, '09, where our sales drop off faster because of that inventory repositioning. I think we're going through some of that now. Inventory is healthy in the channels. But I think as our channel partners expect to see the same type of degradation in the second quarter, there's likely some further inventory reduction. When you look at where our sales are in April and EFS has been had sequentially strong quarters, including that first quarter. So to see that drop there. I think that's some of that inventory reduction that's going on through the channel right now. And we expect that to continue through Q2, which is why we're framing up 20% to 30% is likely where we're going to see our sales end up at.

Your next question is from Jeff Hammond of KeyBanc Capital Markets.

So Beth, can you maybe just speak to what you're seeing in terms of order trends in April versus the sales numbers you gave? I'm just trying to match up what the order trend is maybe telling you that might be the same or different versus sales? And then maybe just add a little more color on EFS. Besides the distributor destocking, why that business is maybe showing a little weaker?

Yes. So let me start with the latter part of that on EFS. EFS is mostly a commercial construction business and certainly mostly a North American-based business, as you know. And I think you've seen in many parts of the country where job sites have just been shut down. And typically, with that type of inventory, it's one that distributors can turn off and turn off quickly, etc. So I believe that's exactly what we're seeing. Because nice growth in EFS. In fact, orders were up all through Q1. So coming into Q2, we started to see that inventory repositioning. And I'll let Sara add some more color on orders in general in April.

Yes. So Jeff, this is Sara. So orders actually trended a little bit better than the daily sales rate in April, really down 10% to 15%. Let me give a little bit of color just by segment. Enclosures orders were generally in line with the sales. EFS was a bit better. We saw some good order intake in some of our regions outside of the U.S. That was down 15%. Thermal was actually up double digit in orders. And that's really reflective of some good project wins that came in, in April, particularly around LNG and some of the regions outside of North America.

Okay. Great. And then you gave some color, Sara, on the temporary costs and how those flow through. But if you just look at that $50 million of savings, is there a way to kind of how much did you get in 1Q? What do you expect in 2Q and second half?

Yes. So in those savings, we got roughly around $10 million of cost-out savings in Q1. That was really we're actually probably closer to $8 million. And that was really a function of largely the carryover savings from 2019. We would expect that to ramp in Q2, essentially be double that, and that's in large part because of those temporary salary reductions that we took. We talked about the incremental furloughs, the incremental salary reductions, the discretionary spend reductions, et cetera. From there, I would say, we're going to be prepared, Jeff, to ramp and adjust those temporary and those discretionary cost actions based on the demand that we see.

Okay. And then just real quick one. On the thermal orders, what are you hearing from your customers on the orders that are in the backlog, the orders that just came in around cancellation risk or deferral risk? Thanks.

Yes. I think, certainly, there's everyone is evaluating and pausing. So we feel good about the orders that we've received. It's just going to be the timing and execution of some of those projects. I would say in the short term, what we immediately saw was an impact on the MRO side of the business because as everyone adjusted their capital spend, the projects, especially those that are under construction right now, we expect to continue it's just that duration. So likely, we're going to see some things delayed or pushed out. But we haven't had other than on the MRO side, we haven't had many cancellations really anything significant to speak of. So we believe the projects that are in work are going to continue. They'll finish those jobs off. It's just a matter of timing.

Okay, thanks so much.

Your next question is from Julian Mitchell of Barclays.

Thanks, Good morning.

Good morning.

Maybe just the first question around the Thermal Management business, and in particular, the margins there, very heavy decline in margins year-on-year in the first quarter. Maybe just talk through the drivers behind that? Is it all about oil and gas MRO nosediving, and that's very high margin? Or was there something else aside from that? And should we assume that those decremental margins remain heavy as long as oil and gas MRO is under severe top line pressure?

Julian, this is Sara. So I would say, to answer the latter part of that question first. We would expect the decrementals in that ROS contraction to improve in Q2 from Q1 in large part due to the incremental structural cost actions as well as the incremental temporary cost reduction actions that the team is taking there in Q2. So we do expect those to improve. Specifically, in Q1, a couple of different drivers what's driving that kind of worse than what we expected from a ROS perspective. It really is probably, first and foremost, the significant sharp decline that we saw on the MRO side. If you remember, the thermal business is roughly 1/3 commercial, 1/3 MRO and 1/3 projects. And MRO and commercial have a high contribution mix to margin, and the MRO business has been relatively resilient because that tends to be a little bit more OpEx spends versus CapEx. But just given the severity of the oil and gas declines, we saw more a immediate and a more severe impact to those MRO rates of sales. So that was probably the largest driver. Obviously, commercial being down double digits also impacted that ROS as well. But like I said, really, the improvement in Q2 and beyond is really a function of the incremental cost actions that team is taking by way of structural cost actions as well as the incremental temporary cost reductions as well.

Thank you. And then my follow-up would be a firmwide question. So your decremental margins in the first quarter were obviously heavy, 80% plus. Second quarter, I think you talked about maybe a 40% decremental margin as a good a framework. If we look at the year as a whole, on slide 12, you're talking about the mild to moderate. So maybe, I don't know, 20%, 25% or sorry, 30%, 35% decremental for the year as a whole on that mild to moderate plan. So that's implying very narrow decrementals in the second half, given Q1 was 80-plus percent and Q2 was 40%. Just wondered if I'm reading that right. And if so, is that a function that second half narrowing of those cost saves and perhaps an abatement of some of those mix headwinds at thermal that you just touched upon?

Yes. Julian, the largest part of that is really going to be the timing of the cost action. So as we take those incremental structural cost actions, really, none of that was in Q1 just based on the timing of those actions. So we would expect that to fold into Q2 and extend into the back half. We also talked about, we do expect Q2 to sort of be the heaviest impact from an overall top line perspective. And with that, decrementals being in that 40% range, but we would expect top line to ease a bit and decrementals to also ease, i.e., get better in the back half of this year.

Your next question is from Deane Dray of RBC Capital.

I just want to add the thank you here for the effort to go through the scenario planning on this. Not many companies have been as willing to outline the sensitivity analysis. I know that takes a lot of work and planning, so we appreciate that. And just some additional questions on it is, what are you monitoring in terms of the total sales. I know that's for the full year. But the rate of decline is I want to get a sense of how nimble you'll be. Are you looking at the daily order rates, the trailing month? What's just a sense of how nimble can you be in tracking the sales decline? Because that sounds like that's the gating factor as to what sort of additional cost cutting that you'll take. So let me start there, please.

Yes. I think, Deane, a couple of things. We are tracking daily orders. We are talking with some of our key channel partners and customers just to understand what trends they're seeing. Part of this, I would say, more of a Q1 issue, an early part of April was us also looking at our managing our capacity or labor, right, in our factories because as you can imagine, starting with China, our plants did get shut down there. And then as we had these stay-at-home orders, it took some time for everyone to understand and including the employees, we were deemed essential, but just to manage our capacity. So I think we look at how is our plant performing, we look at what's the trends from our distributors, what are our customers telling us and just other economic indicators. And those are the things that we're trying to be to manage and then flex our workforce so that we can respond on the way down and then respond on the way back up equally.

That's certainly helpful. I just feel as though we'll be watching news about infection rates and hospitalizations more than the ISM this time. But I certainly appreciate the color there. And then just a follow-up question on free cash flow and working capital. Sara, can you take us through some of the focus areas in the accounts receivable? You're seeing some credit issues and how are those being dealed with? And also on inventory, would you be since you ramp down production, you'll be selling some from your own inventory. And so that inventory liquidation actually gives a lift to free cash flow. So just take us through some of those dynamics, please.

Yes. So historically, we have seen typically a tailwind in working capital in a downturn. As you suggest, inventory comes down faster than what we see on the sales front. So that will certainly help. But clearly, we came into this year with a top priority and focus on working capital. And I think the team has done an excellent job. I think with COVID-19, it is important that we're balancing things. We're managing for supply chain continuity, which is absolutely critical to service our customers. But we're also targeting for reduction in specific areas, where we have opportunity and some excess inventory. And I gave the example of EFS specifically in Q1 really taking a data-driven, cross-functional team approach to where they saw maybe some longer parts in the supply chain and some excess inventory, specifically around some purchased finished goods. So we're making some good progress there overall. You asked on the AR front. Some of this is in relation to kind of our One nVent focus that we've been really focused on since spin. And as we look at some of our top, very strategic relationships, and we are consistently rolling out this One nVent program, some of that is providing some opportunity just to harmonize terms in pockets of areas where we didn't have as good of terms as we did kind of overall with maybe one of our larger brands. From a in kind of context of COVID-19, while there's always some pressure on working capital in terms of folks looking for extension of terms. I think, again, we're doing a good job of managing all of that, really working to hold, to help ensure that we can really just maintain our cash profile and continue to support our business and support the needs of our customers.

That's real helpful. Thank you. And best of luck, everyone.

Thank you Deane.

Your next question is from Joe Ritchie of Goldman Sachs.

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Hope you're all well.

Good morning.

Good morning.

So on Slide 5, guys, you highlighted a few verticals that remain positive, including data centers. I'm just curious like as you kind of see the year progressing, and I know the demand environment is really, really difficult to predict. But like are these verticals that you would expect to stay positive in this type of environment or at least less negative? Just any color around that would be helpful.

Yes. I think some of these areas, maybe it's hard to say if things are going to be positive all year, but I think less negative. And so just take data centers and networking solutions. With everyone having stay at home, kids working from home, with everyone doing online shopping. I mean, we're just seeing that there's a build-out of that infrastructure in rural America for example, right? Networks run up to the bandwidth or the speeds. And so we're seeing that build out. Now some of those projects, while we're seeing some nice orders there, the execution of those projects, again, with construction, there could be delays. But in general, this is an area that, as we've said as a long-term strategy, we think there's strength. So our view here is, it's hard to say. Are they going to be positive full year? Don't know. But we think that these are areas just of strength based on the environment that we're in right now, and that's where we're focusing some of our commercial effort.

That makes sense. And I may have missed this earlier. But the trends, was that through kind of April? Or was that more of like a quarterly comment?

It was first quarter and as of April. Those were the areas that we generally saw some more positive performance.

Okay, great. And then maybe just my follow-up question. Just thinking about the price cost dynamic for the rest of the year. You commented price, I think, was about a $3 million positive this quarter. We're in a deflationary environment. Like how does that equation look for you guys as the year progresses?

Yes. So this is Sara. Hi. So we continue to manage the price plus productivity is going to offset inflation as well as some of our strategic investments. So I'll maybe give a little bit of color on Q1 because I think that will help kind of shape kind of balance of the year. From a Q1 perspective, productivity was $5 million. And inflation was $10 million and we got about a point of price. And Beth talked about this earlier. We did see some good productivity on the operating expense side as we work to contain some of our discretionary spend even in Q1. But we did see some impacts of COVID-19 on just the overall kind of productivity with some of the fits and starts on our factories that was included in that roughly $5 million of number. So as we look into Q2, we do expect productivity, which would include material productivity as well as some of our cost actions to ramp, but we would still expect those decrementals to be in that 40% range just due to the pace of some of our structural cost-out actions. Just for the full year, we continue to expect price, targeting price in that 1% range. And inflation, we continue to see, but we're driving that productivity hard, not just our cost actions, temporary and structural, but also on the material productivity side. So trying to capture some of that deflationary environment that we're seeing.

Your next question comes from Justin Bergner of G.research.

Couple of questions here. I guess to start, those verticals on that you had in the plus column on slide five, how much of your sales do they roughly represent at present or thinking about 2019?

So we typically have talked about infrastructure, and that's in that 10% to 15% range. But let me give a little bit of color maybe on some of these subverticals, right? So utilities that's less than 5% of our sales, and that's going to predominantly show up in the EFS business, particularly our ERICO brand. And then on the automotive side, again, that's another subvertical that maybe we haven't talked as much about, and that's in that, again, less than 5% overall. And that's particularly going to be in our Enclosures brand or our Enclosures segment. Some of these others are the very big buckets of verticals that we've talked about in terms of our largest being industrial, second to that being commercial, and then on the infrastructure side. Data centers and networking solutions is roughly $100 million in sales.

Okay. That's helpful. I guess I want to ask about the decrementals. I'm assuming that includes the benefit of the temporary cost cuts. Would the split of the decrementals or gets a rank order of the decrementals across the different business units look similar to what it looked like in the first quarter as we look at sort of the scenarios for the year as a whole in terms of thermal being the most challenged, followed by Enclosures, followed by EFS?

Well, I would say that there's a couple of different things that are going to impact decrementals. I think we talked about in Q2, really targeting that 40% decremental, a couple of things that are going to come into play with that. Enclosures and EFS are going to be impacted by the acquisitions. Well, that folds in as incremental dollars on the top line, on the bottom line. It does put some pressure, at least initially. And so we get kind of ramp up those ROSs margins on the decrementals. So I think that's one piece to note. I think the other piece maybe to note more specifically to Q2 is, we are expecting some mix headwinds by way of the decrementals in EFS as well. We would expect the thermal decrementals to meaningfully improve from Q1. But again, just due to the pace of that decline, we would expect that to still be heavier.

Okay. Fantastic. That's helpful. And lastly, you mentioned that you'll keep an eye out for bolt-on acquisition opportunities. Where would that focus be? And is that something you would do today? Or do you want to sort of wait a couple of quarters to see how the world looks before using your balance sheet more?

Yes. I think it's fair to say, we're still integrating Eldon, we just acquired WBT in Q1, so we're quite busy in those integrations. We're very focused on our liquidity and cash. So from an M&A and from executing M&A, I would see that would be further out, right, just because of our we've always said we wanted to be able to execute and integrate well. And meanwhile, though, we think there's lots of opportunities to do M&A. It's a very fragmented space. As you know, the process by which you do M&A is to build relationships, and we're our M&A team are doing that so that we have a rich pipeline. And when we think that things are in a more stable time or position and when we feel good at under having good visibility to that stabilization, that's when I think we would be ready to execute again. So it's certainly not in the near term.

Your next question is from David Silver of CL King.

Yes thanks. I have one particular question. And it would have to do with industrial marketing or commercializing of your new product programs. So you've mentioned in the past, this year was going to be a record for new product introductions. And for better or for worse, you don't get to choose the markets that you launched products in. But I was wondering if you could maybe give us an overview of how a 50-plus new product launch schedule might be affected by the current environment. In other words, I'm assuming for products that might be commercialized through the distributor channel, I think no time like the present. But maybe if there are new products targeted toward strategic customers or some that require kind of in-market testing or demonstration, I'm just wondering if that kind of the current environment maybe might cause delays or a change in schedule to better align the supply of your new the rollout of your new products with the receptiveness of the end markets. So just some comments on commercializing your 50-plus new products this year.

All right. Well, this is an area for us that we're going full steam ahead and not slowing down. That's not to say sometimes there aren't challenges with maybe working with suppliers or tooling. But we're trying to gain velocity as we work through our new product launches. And so we've rolled out launching with agile. And as we think about new products, we think about new product introduction. So it's also the commercial aspects. And with these take, for example, these new 11 products that launched in Q1, which was very high for us. Our teams have gotten creative in terms of doing video launches. And one thing we're finding, with everybody working from a stay at home, we've had a couple of new product sessions where we've gone out and said, we're launching a new product. There'll be a training session. In some cases, we've been able to ship products to our customers so that when we're doing the training, they physically have the product in their hands. And what's been amazing is with one of those first sessions, it sold out, so to speak, within hours, and we had to put a second session on. I know in our HOFFMAN enclosures, we were doing some training sessions and had like 1,000 people sign up within 24 hours. So we're finding great reception to launching these products at this time. And I think the key thing is our ability to quickly move to video or being creative because we don't want to over-PowerPoint people, but getting product in their hands. In fact, we've seen orders taken because once a customer can see the product, see the value proposition video is great for that, especially with some of our EFS products, we've received some new orders. So we're going to continue down this path. And I think our distributors have also been very receptive to this. In some cases, we have products that are targeted for labor savings or they're targeted for data and networking solutions or they're targeted for food and beverage applications. So what may take longer, just because we're in a down market is for our sales to ramp to the original profile that we had. But still getting those seeded right now, we think is really important. And we think it's one of those ways when we talk about nVent emerging stronger, the fact that we're going full force here, we think this is one of the critical areas for us.

Thank you for that. And I think you kind of stole my thunder with this follow-up, but I was looking at Slide 7 and where you break it down into three panels, the middle panel was new products, but then the right-most panel digital transformation. I guess that was another priority of your company that you've discussed in past conference calls. And I think you touched on it, but I just wanted to check on whether your new sales tools, like the digital capabilities you think are have gotten to the point where they need to be. Or is this an area where you might want to accelerate the resources or accelerate the development effort there to take advantage or to operate in the current environment? Thank you.

I mean, absolutely. So this is an area where I mean, there's always more that can be done. And so we looked at this time as to again, driving an agile approach to everything we do is driving a lot more velocity. But with virtual working at home and by the way, our infrastructure held up. We had no issues when we went to working virtually. It really was tremendous. But what we found is we were able to do more process work, more data cleansing, more enriched product data, expand some of the tools that we have, working with our channel partners as they're expanding their digital capability. So it's an area we're putting more focus on and using some tools to drive velocity there. So it's always been part of our strategy. But just getting momentum there, doing robotics process automation there's a lot going on. And it's an area we're really focused on because that is the future.

Okay. And I meant to say this first, but I did appreciate your Investor Relations effort to send along the slides ahead of time. So that did help me with getting some things done this morning ahead of the call. Thank you.

Thank you.

Thanks.

Your final question comes from Scott Graham of Rosenblatt Securities.

Yes, Hi. Good morning. in good health to all for you here.

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So in front of your filing of your Q, I was hoping you could help with the model a little bit here. For example, like what were in Enclosures, industrial sales down? What was thermal energy sales down in the quarter. Do you have those numbers?

Yes. Scott, give us just a second here.

Sure. Well, while you're looking that up, maybe Beth or J.C., you could tell me the data center business, is that entirely in Enclosures?

No. If you recall, I mean, it's majority in Enclosures, but then there's a piece that is our CADDY product line. And with our new acquisition of WBT, which is wire basket tray, we've extended more into the EFS space. And there's a smaller piece around Thermal Management when we do liquid cooling, and we do some leak detection. But it's predominantly Enclosures, but now expanded further with EFS.

Okay. Additionally, on the cost reductions, could you give us an idea of kind of how they hit by segment, assuming, of course, thermal will maybe get a disproportionate percent of sales? Can you do you have any sort of guidance on how we should look at that by segment?

Yes. So Scott, this is Sara. So I'll take the two questions, a little bit of the vertical view by segment as well as the cost-out summary. So in that $50 million of cost-out savings nearly half of it is going to be in thermal, just as you might expect, given the oil and gas challenges there and the declines. That's reflective of really the incremental structural cost actions that they're taking as well as some of the incremental temporary and discretionary cost actions. Second to that is going to be in closures. And then you've also got some cost actions on EFS, and then enterprise as well. So that kind of gives you an order of magnitude and order for what those cost savings are showing up by segment. From a vertical perspective, in that Enclosures down 8% organic, that roughly lines up with industrial, as you might expect, because that's the biggest percentage of those sales. And where we saw strength in the quarter is really on the commercial side. That was up kind of mid- to high single digits. From a thermal perspective in that down 16%, industrial was a bit higher than that, so down 20%. And then you've got your commercial better. I mean, overall, I think the commercial vertical performed well across these three segments. And then you've got energy down a bit more than that with infrastructure down less. From an EFS perspective, being up 3%, really, we saw strength the largest strength in the utilities part of that business, and we talked about that on the call, really showing up in our ERICO brand. Second to that, we also grew in commercial. And so overall, we saw good strength in EFS. We did see some industrial declines there in EFS, but that's only 20% of that portfolio.

Yes. That's very helpful. And will the Q be out today, Sara?

Yes.

Great. Awesome. Here's just another question, which is sort of a question about the a bit of a balancing act. So as we look at productivity, right, so right now, volumes are lower. So there's more time for people to put on a mask, take off their mask, do the hand washing and the social distancing thing. But as we go forward and volumes, let's say, are less down, how do you manage whereby the productivity away from the cost outs does not suffer from that?

Well, Scott, I'm not sure let me try and answer your question. Are you I think what you're saying that maybe there's some lack of productivity with just the PPE side of things. But I guess one of the things that I would say, around the world, and it started with China, but as other plants, as areas were either shut down in Europe or we'd have maybe just a pause as we reacted to different states shutting down, we've had to manage attendance levels. And interestingly enough, one of the things that we've seen is even with attendance levels being down and with some of the social distancing measures in place, we've actually seen productivity improve in some cases. And I think our as we go forward, while we're practicing good hygiene and all of those things, we believe there's still ways for us to drive productivity, continuing to execute just on some of our lean initiatives, continuing to execute on where we've invested in capital, continuing to execute on areas that we just knew were inefficient. So I think we believe that there's that all of those measures can still take place. Maybe some of it rolls out differently than what we first expected. But we absolutely know that there's ways that we can drive productivity as we go forward.

Well, got you. That's an interesting answer because I would have thought that there'd be a bit of a balancing act that was needed for all companies, truthfully, with how you tend to COVID versus the production line and what have you. So it sounds like you're saying that you're not concerned about losing momentum, whether it's lean or whether it's best practices. Does that then, by extension, mean that if you're generating productivity even with attendance down, social distancing, washing of hands that, that might usher in some ideas for further cost cutting after down the line?

Well, potentially. Or it allows us to ramp, right, and drive growth, right? That's the other way that we think about it. But certainly, I think the environment that we're in now, there's areas where we're accelerating performance, as mentioned around digital and just finding great new ways virtually to launch project products and engage with customers. And I think operationally one comment I would make because we learned from China first, is we started to create these pandemic checklists and share best practices across all of our plants. And that act in itself around the safety measures, I think, is creating a better sharing and networking environment to share other best practices, right? That's the culture that we have. And so I believe that's going to continue. In a way, we've become more connected than ever using virtual tools than we were three months ago. And it's been very impressive. And I think that's also one of the reasons, as I go back to the sharing of our of what we've done across our plants, that I can say here today, all of our plants are operational, including Mexico, where many other companies are just shut down. The fact that we were ahead of things in terms of putting in safety practices, listening to employees, working with authorities, has proved to be very successful for us. And so we're just going to keep continuing that sharing and learning and working virtually to get best practices implemented across the company.

Guys, this has been great transparency. Thank you. And I echo the prior caller about J.C. sending the deck out earlier. And also really nice work around the cost side. That was something that I think has been absent in some conference calls before you. Have a good day.

Thank you Scott.

Thank you, Scott.

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