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NetSol Technologies, Inc. (NTWK)

Q2 2018 Earnings Call· Tue, Feb 13, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. Welcome to NETSOL Technologies Fiscal Second Quarter 2018 Earnings Conference Call. On the call today are; Najeeb Ghauri, Founder, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Roger Almond, Chief Financial Officer; Naeem Ghauri, President, Global Sales; Jeff Bilbrey, President, North America; and Patti McGlasson, General Counsel. I would now like to turn the call over to Patti McGlasson, who will provide the necessary cautions regarding the forward-looking statements made by management during this call. Please proceed.

Patti L. W. McGlasson

Operator

Good morning everyone and thank you for joining us. Following the review of the Company's business highlights and financial results, we will open up the call for questions. Please note that all of the information discussed on today's call is covered under the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. The Company's discussion may include forward-looking statements reflecting management's current forecast of certain aspects of the Company's future, and our actual results could differ materially from those stated or implied. These forward-looking statements are qualified by the cautionary statements contained in NETSOL's press releases and SEC filings, including our annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly reports on Form 10-Q. I would also like to point out that we'll be discussing certain non-GAAP measures. The press release issued earlier today contains a reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial results to the most comparable GAAP measures. Finally, I would like to remind everyone that this call will be recorded and made available for replay on our Web-site at www.netsoltech.com and via a link available in today's press release. Now, I would like to turn the call over to Najeeb.

Najeeb Ghauri

Analyst · Timothy Stabosz, a private investor. Please go ahead

Thank you, Patti, and good morning everyone. Before the market opened today, we issued a press release announcing our results for the fiscal second quarter ended December 31, 2017, and a copy of which is available in the Investor Relations section of our Web-site. The fiscal second quarter was an improvement over Q1 in many ways, a fact most clearly evident in our return to profitability. However, this quarter was still not without its challenges, having been affected by a continuation of the same prolonged sales cycle we have experienced over the past few quarters. And while our revenue was down year-over-year, we believe it does not paint the full picture. In fact, both maintenance fees and services revenue increased over the prior year, and on top of this we still experienced an increase in overall revenue from Q1. The expected decrease in our total license fees was directly tied to the decrease of license revenue recognized from our 12-country NFS Ascent large contract, which impacted us last quarter as well. However, as we mentioned on our previous call, we will be recognizing additional revenue from this contract, having secured approximately $9.3 million in future revenues in addition to what was previously projected from this customer. It's worth pointing out that we recently collected approximately the first half of the payment, or EUR3.5 million, in our current quarter, which obviously was not reflected in our balance sheet for fiscal Q2. We expect the balance of that revenue to be recognized over the contract term as some more services are performed. So the theme this quarter once again is that we are optimizing and rationalizing our cost across the Company, so that we can become an even more nimbler and leaner organization. Most of you will remember that back in January 2017 we announced the implementation of a Company-wide cost reduction initiative expressly for this purpose. I'm very encouraged to report that in the second quarter we achieved roughly $2.1 million in cost saving related to these efforts. As broken out, we had $1.4 million decrease in our cost of revenues and more than $600,000 decrease in our operating expenses in Q2. When coupled with the $2.4 million we also saved last quarter, that amounts to more than $4 million in reduction so far, showing that we are well on our way to achieving our previously stated goal of saving more than $6 million through fiscal 2018. Now, before I go any further, I'm going to turn the call over to our CFO, Roger Almond, who will review the rest of the financial performance for the fiscal second quarter in more detail. And after that I will come back in a few minutes to discuss our operational highlights and general business outlook for the remainder of fiscal 2018. Roger?

Roger Almond

Analyst

Thanks Najeeb. Turning to our fiscal second quarter 2018 financial results for the period ended December 31, 2017, our total net revenues for the second quarter were $14.4 million compared to $15.9 million in the prior year period. The decrease in total net revenues was primarily due to decrease in license fees of $3.3 million, which was offset by an increase in services revenue of $1.9 million. Total license fees in Q2 were $453,000, a decrease of 88% from $3.8 million in the prior year period. The decrease in total license fees was primarily due to the decrease of license revenue recognized from the 12-country NFS Ascent contract. Total maintenance fees in Q2 were $3.7 million compared to $3.6 million in the prior year period. The slight increase in total maintenance fees was primarily due to a fluctuation in usage of active users, which was partially offset by select customers selecting not to renew their maintenance agreements. We anticipate maintenance fees will gradually increase as we implement our product suite to new customers. Total services revenue for the quarter were $10.3 million, an increase of 22% from $8.4 million in the prior year period. The increase in total services revenue for the quarter was primarily due to an increase in services revenue associated with the implementations and change requests related to the previously mentioned update to the 12 country NFS Ascent contract. This increase was partially offset by a decrease in services revenue for NetSol-Innovation. Total cost of revenues was $7.8 million for the second quarter, a decrease of 16% from $9.2 million in Q2 last year. The decrease in cost of revenues was primarily due to a decrease in salaries and consultants cost of $618,000 related to the right-sizing of technical employees at key locations including Pakistan, Thailand, China,…

Najeeb Ghauri

Analyst · Timothy Stabosz, a private investor. Please go ahead

Thank you, Roger. Building on my early remarks, NETSOL continues to focus on creating efficiencies wherever possible. We are staying lean in areas we can control while dedicating additional resources to the areas we believe will set us up for continued long-term success. We can look to the growing strength of our operating margins as clear evidence that our cost reductions are working. Meanwhile, I can also confidently say that NFS Ascent and Ascent Digital continue to generate interest across all major regions and industries as some significant new prospects have come through the pipeline which is further strengthening our projection and forecast. We are continuing to see more and more opportunities for growth and expansion. As a result, our total consolidated pipeline has increased approximately $175 million as of the end of this quarter. And more specifically, I'm encouraged to report that the highest value project in our pipeline has advanced as far as the procurement stage and we are currently in commercial negotiations for potential deployment in multiple markets. Obviously, we are limited in what we can discuss beyond this update due to the confidentiality agreements, but we believe it is important to give you an idea of what actually goes into these lengthy sales processes and discussions. More generally, in the past three months our business development teams have been supporting many new RFIs and RFPs in China, Australia, U.K., and the U.S., for NFS Ascent and we are seeing growing interest in LeasePak CLOUD specifically in the U.S. market. Our President of North America, Jeff, will join me in a minute to elaborate on our progress there as well. Now while the RFP and RFI numbers are growing, we recognize that there is a lot of work to be done to convert the initial requests into…

Jeff Bilbrey

Analyst

Thank you, Najeeb. As many of you are aware, the North American market for NETSOL presents both unique challenges and great opportunities. We've been working extremely hard to build a tighter relationship with our current client base with more account management outreach, a client newsletter to share great news about NETSOL and our products, and the more active user group that meets regularly to collect feedback and provide concrete evidence to them that we are listening to their needs. At the same time, we are being strategic about our ongoing products development and products placement, with a focus on enterprise features, cloud capabilities, and a new SaaS-only pricing model. The combination of these has yielded a very intriguing pipeline of new revenue opportunities with existing clients and reinforced great references from those clients to new prospects. As it relates to the opportunities in front of us, the general migration from business to a cloud infrastructure has created new entry points and also led to a resurgence of interest in our LeasePak CLOUD offering, as Najeeb mentioned earlier. For those newer to our story, LeasePak CLOUD is NETSOL's end-to-end portfolio management solution for the North American asset finance industry, which combines a new user interface with a modern architecture and a quick-start cloud deployment to provide enterprise leasing and lending features that make doing business faster, easier, and ultimately more profitable. This product can be scaled from a basic offering to a suite of highly specialized data modules. LeasePak CLOUD has been accepted and adopted by both new and existing customers and we believe it has the potential to transform the greater finance and leasing industry. As an example and further proof of this acceptance, we recently announced a deployment with one of our existing customers, MotoLease. Since 2013, MotoLease has…

Najeeb Ghauri

Analyst · Timothy Stabosz, a private investor. Please go ahead

Thank you, Jeff. As you just heard, our growing support in the U.S. and for different solution modules in our various module segments helps to ensure overall flexibility for our Company as we interact with varying maturity lifecycles. While we continue to pursue larger deals in the APAC region with our flagship Ascent offering, we are also capitalizing on the smaller, more fragmented opportunities elsewhere. We will continue to grow our revenues from a geographically and technically diverse set of resources, with the ultimate goal of mitigating any negative short-term development in one particular market. Additionally, as we position ourselves effectively for now, we are always cognizant of the future and the need to be prepared. As I made note of in our last call, in just the last two years alone we have witnessed incredible technological breakthroughs in the areas not just limited to big data, cloud solution, augmented virtual reality, artificial intelligence, blockchain, and rapid digital transformation, which is why last quarter we introduced NETSOL's new ideas lab. Our ideas lab will allow us to place more emphasis on our new initiatives and new areas where we can stay ahead of the technology curve and generate new opportunities for our Company. As a result, as one might expect, the amount of our spending allocated to R&D will need to increase, albeit off our current historically low numbers. To that end, our Board of Directors recently approved a decision to judiciously allocate resources to this very important mission along that line. NETSOL, under the leadership of Naeem Ghauri, who's heading the Innovation Lab, also recently appointed a CTO from a top-notch firm in U.K. as the head of this department. This individual brings a wealth of experience and specialized knowledge that will be critical for NETSOL's future development. Finally,…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from the line of Timothy Stabosz, a private investor. Please go ahead.

Timothy Stabosz

Analyst · Timothy Stabosz, a private investor. Please go ahead

As you know, I own about 3% of the Company. Nice job on the cost-cutting. I guess could you clarify again, Najeeb, can you give us some reassurance as to whether or not we are at risk of getting whipsawed? That is, again, nice to see the profitability coming through on the cost-cuts, but can you assure us on the ability of the Company to still ramp up as needed here and how you would handle such a situation?

Najeeb Ghauri

Analyst · Timothy Stabosz, a private investor. Please go ahead

Thank you, Timothy, for this question. First of all, as we mentioned in the last two calls now, we are by strategy trying to become a much leaner, much nimbler company, irrespective of revenue ups and downs. It is important for us to make sure that we demonstrated that we can make a profit and improve our EPS and bottom line. Secondly, there is obviously dependency on the new revenue growth, which you heard repeatedly in this call and in the previous call, how the sales cycles have grown number. I believe our job, we can control costs internally, both cash basis on that and non-cash basis, and that is reflecting in our financials, and I believe if we achieve $6 million-plus total cost savings in this fiscal year, that process will continue. The reason is that we have now matured the Ascent delivery mechanism in the Company. As a result, you have seen much growing pipeline, and that means we are more efficient, we can be more nimble, and we don't have to have too many people to support both the legacy system, which we are still growing but not to the level of headcounts we used to have in the past, and at the same time the same thing for the next-generation. So, I believe I'm pretty confident to show stronger operating margins from all the way from top to the bottom line, and I think we'll continue to make these efforts to make sure that the shareholders see the value of our revenue growth in forms of better bottom line and a better strong EPS.

Timothy Stabosz

Analyst · Timothy Stabosz, a private investor. Please go ahead

Very helpful. Can you clarify the pipeline? You say 175 million. Can you give us a sense of like again how that's trended, I don't remember, a year ago, or 6, 12, 18 months ago, where we're at now versus where we were?

Najeeb Ghauri

Analyst · Timothy Stabosz, a private investor. Please go ahead

Sure. Naeem, you want to jump in? Naeem is as you know Head of Global Sales and he's got numbers on his fingertips.

Naeem Ghauri

Analyst · Timothy Stabosz, a private investor. Please go ahead

Pipeline has been concentrated mainly in the Asia Pacific region. I'd say of the number, still 80% to 85% is coming from China, Australia, and the rest of the regions. So, that has actually matured now to a point where we are in kind of a fulfillment discussion now with the majority of those multiple country deals. So, currently we are talking to three different clients for multiple country implementations in Asia Pacific. One particular one is at the fulfillment stage. The other two are at RFP stage.

Timothy Stabosz

Analyst · Timothy Stabosz, a private investor. Please go ahead

Okay. I'll get back in queue. I think I have a follow-up if there is enough time to come back to me. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Michael Vermut with Newland Capital. Please proceed with your question.

Michael Vermut

Analyst · Newland Capital. Please proceed with your question

I had a couple of quick questions, but just I didn't understand that last answer to the question. Was that discussing three of the deals in the current pipeline that were stages that were at? I didn't really follow that.

Naeem Ghauri

Analyst · Newland Capital. Please proceed with your question

Can you tell on the 175 million, what that meant? And basically I just said, first of all from a region perspective it's mainly coming from Asia Pacific, and of the three deals, one is in procurement stage, the two are in RFP stage but in a strong position. The one on procurement stage essentially means that's the final round of the whole process, and that would be our largest deal at the moment in the pipeline.

Michael Vermut

Analyst · Newland Capital. Please proceed with your question

Okay. And just on the one that's in the procurement stage, does that mean that there are a couple that are still left or that where it's in the final negotiation on details?

Naeem Ghauri

Analyst · Newland Capital. Please proceed with your question

Mike, the client is never going to tell you that you are the only one they are talking to. So, they keep us on the edge. But for what we know, is that we are in a particularly strong position that this particular client.

Michael Vermut

Analyst · Newland Capital. Please proceed with your question

Excellent, excellent, okay. Just before I get to the other questions, going back on that, when I look at NETSOL, I've done as much work as an investor can do pretty much on the competitive products out there, and still we have by far the best product, we have the best cost structure. How are others, when we are going up for these bids, how are others competing against us? What are they bringing to the table that NETSOL doesn't have? Because I can't believe they have a better product suite or better cost structure on the pricing side.

Naeem Ghauri

Analyst · Newland Capital. Please proceed with your question

I think, Mike, in Asia Pacific we are very, very strong, and it's very hard to compete with us in this region. But it's the other way around probably first in the U.S. where we don't have [indiscernible] for Ascent. So, we will have to compete more on cost in the U.S. and in Europe. But in Asia Pacific, we are not necessarily the cheapest. We don't actually sell ourselves one of the cheapest in the market. We are a premium product [indiscernible] as much as anybody else with a European and U.S. company. [Indiscernible]

Michael Vermut

Analyst · Newland Capital. Please proceed with your question

I didn't mean cheapest there. I meant that we have the best probably cost structure to implement for them. I didn't mean cheap product.

Naeem Ghauri

Analyst · Newland Capital. Please proceed with your question

Okay, fine, [indiscernible]. So, what happens is we really price in such a way that we are on par but we have more leverage, Mike, to be competitive when we have to be, because we do have a better cost structure and use it to our advantage when we have to win a deal.

Michael Vermut

Analyst · Newland Capital. Please proceed with your question

Excellent.

Naeem Ghauri

Analyst · Newland Capital. Please proceed with your question

So, how we are competing with that, so I was just going to say that our competition obviously did try every trick in their books also [indiscernible]. We essentially have a lot of strength on our side. You are right about the products that it is essentially [indiscernible] in, and it's really hard to compete with us in Asia Pacific. We will hopefully be in a similar position in the U.S. and Europe once we start to get few of the projects live.

Najeeb Ghauri

Analyst · Newland Capital. Please proceed with your question

If I can add one more point, Mike, to this question, I think one of the key differentiators that NETSOL has for many years and now we are seeing the benefit is that we have such a strong global footprint in both emerging growing markets and the developed markets like the U.S. and U.K. that we get to share globally with our teams together, help each other from U.S. to China, China to U.S. and U.K. and vice versa, and then the same thing we have about the deliveries. We have a local support mechanism in each location as well as our biggest delivery center in Lahore, Pakistan. So, that really adds a lot of value to proceed to global value contracts in the multiple markets, at the same time with the help of this office that we have in different locations. So, it's really unique when we look at the competitive landscape in the same industry.

Michael Vermut

Analyst · Newland Capital. Please proceed with your question

Excellent. Now on the assumption that we do win a few of these large contracts, cost structure, is there much flexes needed in our cost structure or we can maintain these lean levels through implementation? What will need to come back and how much leverage will that be on the margin line if we do succeed in them? I'm trying to get a picture as to, okay, now we are at the base case, we're running slightly profitable, generating some cash, what happens when we do land some of these large contracts to the Company?

Najeeb Ghauri

Analyst · Newland Capital. Please proceed with your question

I think that will really take this Company to a next level. If you look at just the one big contract that we signed over two years ago in Ascent, that has really helped the Company in many ways in the last two years. So, if you multiply with two or three contracts for the next 12 months or so, this can really change both top line of course quite aggressively, and more importantly when you talk about the cost realignment, I think it has really helped the Company to draw some baseline where we want to manage and operate our business from. So, let's say we generate every new dollar from the new contract, incremental cost could be $0.10 to $0.20 just by adding a few more specialized teams on the frontline. So, it won't be dollar to dollar cost increase, it can be, and that's exactly what we are watching very closely to make sure that our teams are very efficient delivering more output than the input, and I think the goal is to, once we start signing these bigger deals, to improve constantly our gross margins and the bottom line, and that will value our commitment to our shareholders. Unless we have new ideas, like we just talked about innovation, which I think Naeem did touch upon, it is highly important to invest slightly to see the future how things are changing so dramatically in the technology space, but on the normal business basis we don't expect to increase costs significantly to any higher level and maintain our strategy to be bottom line driven.

Michael Vermut

Analyst · Newland Capital. Please proceed with your question

Excellent. Then I'll throw one more at down the hill, you can answer this. Since the last call and the progression of these contracts, do you feel better about them, have things gone more in our favor over the last, since last quarter, because we didn't really get – we just hear that the same ones are in the pipeline, have they progressed to a better stage for NETSOL?

Najeeb Ghauri

Analyst · Newland Capital. Please proceed with your question

Yes. As we mentioned in the prepared remarks, Mike, that the biggest deal we are working right now for quite some time is now on to a fulfillment discussion between sales, especially sales team led by Naeem and his team, and from delivery people on the whole. So, yes, we have really progressed quite nicely.

Michael Vermut

Analyst · Newland Capital. Please proceed with your question

Excellent. And then one last question for you, with all these potential deals on the horizon that will really change the Company forever it seems, and our stock not reacting down here, to me it seems the best thing to do right now is to deploy this cash flow that we are receiving, and I know that our current large contract becomes much more beneficial on cash flow in the later years that we would deploy more capital into buyback now while the stock is still here, is that an intention for this year?

Najeeb Ghauri

Analyst · Newland Capital. Please proceed with your question

Yes, we just had a Board meeting two weeks ago, the whole Board met for Annual Board Meeting. And I think the basic understanding with the Board is that we will continue exploring both buyback for NTWK, but also more importantly, explore how we can reduce or minimize the minority interest in Pakistan subsidiary. I mean we can also be open about investing in the buyback PK shares that essentially will translate, once we are able to do that, use our cash to grow more ownership. That means it will really improve our bottom line results also. So, we have both in front of us and we'll keep market posted accordingly.

Michael Vermut

Analyst · Newland Capital. Please proceed with your question

Excellent. Okay. It should be an exciting back half of the year, so good luck on everything.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Timothy Stabosz, a private investor. Please proceed with your question.

Timothy Stabosz

Analyst · Timothy Stabosz, a private investor. Please go ahead

Just a little nuance question. So, looking at the Form 4 filings from insider since the last earnings release, there's been a spate of inside buying, like nothing we have really seen. It's rather striking since the last earnings release. What does that represent? What makes these insiders, including you, Najeeb, and you, Naeem, what makes these insiders, more than just you two, so optimistic about the future?

Najeeb Ghauri

Analyst · Timothy Stabosz, a private investor. Please go ahead

Thank you for asking the question, Timothy. We did mention last quarter that – somebody asked the same question, price is so low, and I said, yes, it is embarrassingly low. We still believe in our heart as founders and the management who's been around for many, many years, across the Company that this Company is undervalued, heavily undervalued. That's one I think motivation. Number two, it also shows that we believe in the future. We are long-term business builder. We don't have as such, sell shares and cash out, no. We want to continue to invest our own money and show that we believe in the future of this Company to our employees also, to our shareholders, to our customers, that we are continuously doing the right thing to execute all the big deals in front of us. And last but not the least, I think it's the right message to show that this Company is really ready to take off in many, many different levels. So, buying more shares is important to us and we will continue as and when we can, but this is the message we gave across the board, my Board members and Naeem of course, to make sure that we are seen as a company that we have belief in it and it is not valued the way it should be, based on even today's financials. So, these are the driving [points] [ph] of it.

Timothy Stabosz

Analyst · Timothy Stabosz, a private investor. Please go ahead

Okay, that's very helpful. Thank you and good luck.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. At this time, this concludes our question-and-answer session. If your question was not addressed during the Q&A session, please contact NETSOL Investor Relations team by e-mailing them at ntwk@liolios.com or by calling them at 949-574-3860. I'll now turn the call over to Mr. Ghauri for his closing remarks.

Najeeb Ghauri

Analyst · Timothy Stabosz, a private investor. Please go ahead

Thank you for joining us today for NETSOL's fiscal second quarter earnings call and we will be back again in the next quarter. Thank you all and have a good day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time and we thank you for your participation.