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Q2 2014 Earnings Call· Thu, Oct 17, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentleman, thank you for standing by, and welcome to NetScout Second Quarter of Fiscal Year 2014 Operating Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session, and instructions will be given to you at that time. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. With us today is NetScout’s President and CEO, Mr. Anil Singhal. He is accompanied by NetScout’s Chief Operating Officer, Mr. Michael Szabados, and NetScout’s Chief Financial Officer, Ms. Jean Bua. At this time, I will turn the call over to Ms. Cathy Taylor, NetScout’s Director of Investor Relations to provide the opening remarks. Ms. Taylor, please proceed.

Cathy Taylor

Management

Thank you and good morning everyone. Welcome to NetScout’s Fiscal 2014 Second Quarter Conference Call for the period ended September 30th. Before we begin, let me remind you that during the conference of this conference call, we will be providing you with the discussion of the factors that we currently anticipate may influence our results going forward. These statements include forward-looking statements made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 and other federal securities laws. These forward-looking statements may involve judgment and individual judgments may vary. Forward-looking statements include expressed or implied statements regarding future economic and market conditions, guidance for fiscal year 2014, acquisition integration success and new product releases. It should be clearly understood that the projections on which we base our guidance and other forward-looking statements and our perception of the factors influencing those projections are highly likely to change over time. Although those projections and the factors influencing them will likely change, we will not necessarily inform you when they do. Our company policy is to provide guidance only at certain points in the year such as during the quarterly earnings call. We do not plan to update that guidance otherwise. Actual results may differ materially from what we say today and no one should assume later in the quarter that the comments we make today are still valid. For the further discussion of the risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ, see the specific risks and uncertainties discussed in NetScout’s Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended March 31, 2013 on file with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We have included on today’s webcast a slide presentation that provides a summary of key financial data that accompanies the financial section of today’s discussion. For those listeners who have dialed into the call this morning and would like to view the slide presentation, you can find it by going to your website at www.netscout.com/investors and then clicking on today’s webcast. While the slide presentation includes both GAAP and non-GAAP results, unless otherwise stated, financial information discussed on today’s conference call will be on a non-GAAP basis only. Non-GAAP items are described and reconciled to GAAP results in today’s press release. I would also point out that growth rate discussions are based on a year-over-year basis unless otherwise noted. This concludes the introductory remarks. I would now like to turn the call over to Anil Singhal, our Chief Executive Officer.

Anil Singhal

Management

Thank you, Cathy. I’m pleased to report that NetScout delivered a solid second quarter of fiscal year 2014. Non-GAAP revenue for the quarter was $92.2 million, which is up 9% over the same quarter a year ago. The year-over-year product revenue growth was even higher at 13%. Non-GAAP earnings per share was $0.34 comparable to last year. Michael and Jean will later be providing additional details on our performance this quarter. I would like to primarily concentrate on our prospects in the second half and the full fiscal year. This is especially relevant as we are reiterating the revenue and EPS guidance we provided at the U.S. the beginning of this fiscal year. With two quarters left in the current fiscal year, we are roughly in line with our historical average trend of 45% of total revenue in the first two quarters. This is despite the fact that our service provider business in the first half of last year included a few very large deals which weren’t anticipated to reoccur this quarter. Our confidence for the second half is attributable to three main reasons. First, the new product nGeniusONE based on our Patent Pending ASI technology that we released this quarter is already generating a lot of excitement amongst our enterprise sales force and a lot of interest amongst our top customers. Over 100 customers are running nGeniusONE in either their labs or in production. With the introduction of nGeniusONE, we have two major goals in mind. The first goal was to continue to create and expand our value to our NPM customer base. The creation of value to our customers had served us well over our company’s history and is evident through our high service renewal rates and customer retention. In this quarter, we have noted that our product…

Michael Szabados

Management

Thank you, Anil. As Anil just discussed, we have been experiencing rapid adoption in our customer base. During the past quarter, well over 100 of our top accounts have deployed nGeniusONE across all different segments, including general enterprise and service provider. Our interactions with early adaptors validate that this new product will drive revenue growth by offering a deeper insight into the applications as they are originated in data center server forms and delivered through the infrastructure which can only be achieved through additional instrumentation. In the near term, nGeniusONE also helps by demonstrating to our customer base a new prospect of technology leadership and commitment to their success. With just two months of general availability, nGeniusONE has already made a difference in our business by helping to close deals in the quarter, especially in a number of important new accounts against large competitors. Our sales teams are well trained and are successfully leveraging the new product both in current funnel deals and in new opportunities. As an example, one of our larger deal wins this quarter was a new financial services customer. This new customer had all their management tools that needed replacement. These were involved in a competitive situation with other APM vendors, including a large established vendor. The customer had specific application monitoring requirements in the area of transaction authorization as well as a need for network monitoring aggregation switches in the two major data centers. NetScout’s new nGeniusONE platform won the Proof-of-Concept trial because we were the only vendor that could provide a complete, unified, and fully integrated solution that was essential in all areas of network and application service management as well as being able to deliver the network monitoring fabric switch solution. We are pleased to have won this business against a large established…

Jean Bua

Management

Thank you, Michael, and good morning everyone. As Cathy noted earlier, my remarks this morning will be based on a non-GAAP results. Our accompanying slide presentation has the comparable GAAP results. To begin our financial discussion, we will be starting with the third slide of our presentation which is accompanying our call and is posted on our website. Our second quarter non-GAAP total revenue was $92.2 million, which is an increase of 9% from the same quarter in fiscal year ‘13; with a non-GAAP total revenue, non-GAAP product revenue was $52.4 million, which is an increase of 13% over the same quarter in fiscal year ‘13. Service revenue was $39.8 million on a non-GAAP basis, which is a 4% increase from the same quarter in the prior year. Our earnings per share for the second quarter was $0.34. This is equivalent to the second quarter of fiscal year ‘13. As we discussed in our earnings call one year ago, the second quarter of fiscal year 2013 was a unique quarter from a customer mix perspective where revenue was concentrated in our service provider sector. The customer mix added approximately 1.2 gross margin, 3.2 operating margin and $0.02 to earnings per share. As we commented during our earnings call from last quarter, we did not expect the same customer dynamics that occurred a year ago this quarter to repeat in the current quarter. Therefore, turning to slide 4, the business continues to operate within our long-term operating model. On a non-GAAP basis, our gross profit was $73.7 million, representing a 79.9% margin. Non-GAAP income from operations was $22.6 million. And our non-GAAP operating margin for the quarter was 24.5%. Non-GAAP net income was $14.3 million or $0.34 per diluted share. The non-GAAP net income margin was 15.5%. Turning to slide 5,…

Operator

Operator

(Operator instructions) And your first question comes from Eric Martinuzzi with Lake Street. Your line is now open. Eric Martinuzzi – Lake Street Capital Markets, LLC: Thank you. Congratulations on the good quarter, the good solid execution. And I hope we’ve got as many people as we started with on the call given that pause in the middle. Question for you regarding the Federal Government impact and not necessarily on government business but on communication service provider spending, is there any chance that deal approvals for NetScout could be impacted by Federal inspectors or Federal approvals in your service provider customer base?

Anil Singhal

Management

No, that’s not true. Yes, it’s not really impacted by anything happening in the Federal sector. That doesn’t affect the CSP market at all. Eric Martinuzzi – Lake Street Capital Markets, LLC: Okay. And then secondly, there’s been some acquisitions in this space. I don’t know The Now Factory that well. I do know that IBM bought them, and they do something in service assurance. I do know Empirix a little bit better, and I know that Thoma Bravo bought them. I’d like to hear your comments on those acquisitions, and what do you think it means for this space.

Anil Singhal

Management

Well, first of all, all these are good endorsements of the interest in this space. But in particular, I mean, Thoma Bravo has been accumulating a lot of assets and I’m sure they have some strategy in mind in the management area and this is one of those many ones. And The Now Factory one is a small one in the CEM space, which is customer experience management, and we’ll be having our own strategy announced next year, and I think despite the fact that some of these acquisitions have happened, we still have opportunities to partnering with the same people. And also, I mean, we are very familiar with most of the acquisitions which have happened on the last couple of years elsewhere outside of NetScout, and either has passed on them or they didn’t really fit our profile. So we are on top of this, and overall, I feel this was a good thing for the industry and NetScout. Eric Martinuzzi – Lake Street Capital Markets, LLC: Thank you.

Anil Singhal

Management

Yes.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from Aaron Schwartz from Jefferies. Your line is now open. Aaron Schwartz – Jefferies & Company, Inc.: Good morning. I know you made a handful of comments on nGeniusONE, but I did want to sort of flush it out a little bit. I know historically you don’t price for additional modules, et cetera. I think you disclosed that on the call, but can you walk through why you’re seeing larger deal flow, I believe you said that. Are you just seeing more budget that was traditionally allocated APM coming to the solution or what exactly is driving a large deal flow related to nGeniusONE?

Anil Singhal

Management

Okay. As we said, we are happy with that, but the effect of the larger deal flow is not like huge right now, but it’s a much bigger positive trend versus last year in the NPM space. Their deal sizes are increasing because people are having very good taste in their mouth about our strategy for upgrades. So we are not charging for nGeniusONE upgrade for anybody who is on the maintenance, and that is pushing them into using some of the moneys from other projects or which they were thinking about earlier in the NPM or maybe even APM space, employing that back into instrumenting a different part of the network which they were not considering earlier. And second thing is Packet Flow Switch, which has really no role in life without being used – the data being sent to a device like NetScout and other products and the packet flow products in the market. That is getting added to all these deals as a result of – because of multiple reasons. One is I think we have one of the best competitive products in the market, but also as I mentioned, the goodwill generated in the networking – in our standard NPM customer base is adding to those either slightly shorter deal cycle or slightly bigger deals. The APM, in fact, there is a lot of interest in that. But any real impact on the revenue is going to be seen starting in January as we mentioned during the call. Aaron Schwartz – Jefferies & Company, Inc.: Okay. And second question if I could. I appreciate the color and realize that the service provider had a very difficult comp in the first half here. But I think you said that you do expect some larger deals to come in the second half and that gives you comfort in the full-year outlook. Are those with existing customers where you have some visibility to the timing of deployment or maybe could you just walk through the timing of those coming in the second half and sort of your visibility towards those deals? Thank you.

Anil Singhal

Management

I think the timing is – I mean, it’s very hard to exactly predict, but there’ll be some good numbers in the third quarter and the rest in the fourth quarter, but they are all with existing customers. We have been doing a lot of business and we have done a lot of business in the last year. It just so happened some of that big business with a couple of large providers happened in the first half and that’s going to happen in the second half. So, the point we are making is that we were able to keep the first half of the service provider revenue almost flat despite that we didn’t use the numbers from the big deals here last year. And that’s why we said that we are expecting a good second half because some of the big deals which happened last year in the first half will probably happen in the second half. But it’s very hard to predict right now Q3 versus Q4. We are trying to get as much end of year budget as possible. Aaron Schwartz – Jefferies & Company, Inc.: Great. Thanks, Anil.

Anil Singhal

Management

Yes.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from Alex Kurtz with Sterne Agee. Your line is now open. Alex Kurtz – Sterne Agee & Leach, Inc.: Yes. Thanks for taking the questions, guys. So, Anil, just to follow up on that last question, you have 100 customers, I think you said in your script capping [ph] nGeniusONE. What could that mean for the fiscal – next fiscal ‘14 – well, more importantly fiscal ‘15 kind of growth rates? Is there some kind of incremental opportunity that this could drive as far as product growth maybe above what you’ve seen in the last couple of years?

Anil Singhal

Management

Yes. I mean, that’s what we are hoping for but, well, I guess we’ll have to just wait for the guidance for next year to provide you the special data – I mean, more detailed. But certainly as we shared last year, we have increased the size of our market by the nGeniusONE and we have increased our – we solidified our footprint in the NPM space with nGeniusONE goodwill and we have increased our market opportunity beyond NPM to APM also. So, all that means that we should see a lot of progress next year, but it’s still some time before we’ll be able to share those things with you. Alex Kurtz – Sterne Agee & Leach, Inc.: Is there a percentage of growth in your overall addressable market? Have you thought about that as far as how many extra dollars or what kind of growth your comments [ph] created?

Anil Singhal

Management

You mean – can you go – you are talking about APM now? Alex Kurtz – Sterne Agee & Leach, Inc.: Or just nGeniusONE.

Anil Singhal

Management

No, I think like it’s only two months of release. So, I mean, we get the subjective impact and a little bit of objective as you can see in the enterprise growth in the first half was quite good. Part of it is BFS and part of it is nGenius goodwill. And the third impact which is on APM will be more longer and will be the bigger one, but that will be next calendar year. Alex Kurtz – Sterne Agee & Leach, Inc.: And then a quick question for Jean. Obviously, strong operating margin execution, again, I imagine mostly driven by the revenue upside. On a go forward basis versus your target model, what would be set of circumstances that you would need to revise the target model up when you go into fiscal ‘15? So what are the set of factors that would need to be in place for you guys to think about that at the board level?

Jean Bua

Management

So, I think we have discussed in the past fiscal year ‘14 is a transitional year for us as we launch the new products that we’ve spent the last couple of months developing. So we’re going to go through FY ‘14 and keep the current long-term operating margin. What would have to happen in FY ‘15 is we will have to see how the revenue grows, as you mentioned. We have a very stable infrastructure. We don’t really need to add that much cost to it. Where we would be adding cost and keeping the margins in line with what they currently are would be in the R&D area to make sure that we continue to stay on the cutting edge of technology and deliver the products that our customers want. Also in sales and marketing, mostly in the sales area, as we mentioned, we have a tenured, well trained geographically dispersed sales force to places where we would potentially add people and then hence keep the operating margin targets within what we have now would be in any of the geographic areas where we see customer demand, as we’ve mentioned in the past, service provider. We continue to gain international customers. And any other kind of new product rollouts where we would require a product specialist. But again, the infrastructure that is needed for us to grow is pretty much already stable and is implemented in the current operating margins. We would just be looking at whether we will continue with R&D development and those related costs and how much expansion is required in the sales force. At the end of FY ‘14, we’ll have a better insight into the pipeline and we’ll determine whether we need to change the operating margins to a higher level for FY ‘15 and forward. Alex Kurtz – Sterne Agee & Leach, Inc.: All right. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from Mark Kelleher with D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open. Mark Kelleher – DA Davidson & Co.: Great. Thanks for taking the questions. Congrats on a great quarter. I wanted to ask a couple of things. The APM capabilities that are now in nGeniusONE, do you think there’ll be a stronger uptake on the carrier side or on the enterprise side?

Anil Singhal

Management

Initially it will be – for nGeniusONE it’s a multi-pronged benefit product. And so, specifically, when we talk about APM, we are talking about enterprise opportunities. But similar application monitoring capabilities will be helpful to the service provider but that’s just not – people don’t call it APM. So it’s a similar feature but when we are talking about the word APM, we are traditionally talking about enterprise. Mark Kelleher – DA Davidson & Co.: And on the service provider side, where are you seeing the growth? Is it testing for 3G networks? Is it 4G networks that have gone in that you need testing? Is it international? Where are you seeing the push right now in the carrier market?

Anil Singhal

Management

Well, first of all, the first half as you know was similar to last year. So in the second – if you are asking where we see the potential in the second half and next calendar year, it’s a continued expansion of 4G. We’re releasing next month our voice product and also there are new things coming in to the market with the initial roll out of 40G and 100G, they’re very high-speed stuff. And so, we either already have a product or we’ll have a product in those timeframe. So it’s just basically basic expansion on 4G that is RAN radio access monitoring on 3G and it’s across the board, but most of them are obviously existing customers because we have over 150 providers as our customers. Mark Kelleher – DA Davidson & Co.: Okay. And on the packet flow switch side, is there any way you can kind of size that as how meaningful that is to your business right now, a few percentage revenue?

Anil Singhal

Management

We decided not to separate that out because it will give you maybe a wrong impression because we are the only company, really, in the enterprise space who had both the Pro product as well as a packet flow switch product. So they help each other in terms of the sale and so qualifying one or the other separately I don’t think will do just this lower [ph] strategy. Mark Kelleher – DA Davidson & Co.: Do you sell the packet flow switch separately, independently without connecting it to in different stream or anything else?

Anil Singhal

Management

Yes, yeah, we do because there are multiple application of packet flow switch. So yeah, we have sold to – for different use cases but it is mostly going to existing customers. Mark Kelleher – DA Davidson & Co.: Okay, great. Thanks.

Anil Singhal

Management

Yeah.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from Matt Robinson with Wunderlich. Your line is now open. Matt Robinson – Wunderlich: Hi, thanks for taking my question and congrats on the results.

Michael Szabados

Management

Yeah.

Anil Singhal

Management

Yeah. Matt Robinson – Wunderlich: I’m just hoping you could give me a little more perspective on what’s integrated into from the acquisitions into the November service provider release and maybe some other – what other kind of salient elements are coming with that product versus what you’ve been offering to service providers up for now.

Anil Singhal

Management

Yeah, there is basically where our product line is instrumentation and so we had the Pro for the data space, VG [ph] 4G and we have this nGeniusONE application or PM and SDM which was a previous version of nGeniusONE. So that’s what we used to sell. And then, in addition, we used to sell a call-tracing product, a call-subscriber intelligence. So with voice, we are creating a new probes and basically it’s the same probes with different software and it’s based on – partially based on the Accanto acquisition and there are two kinds of probe, one for voiceover LTE and one for traditional SS7. So those are the new product and then there is a corresponding call trace product for trouble shooting. So those are the new things, completely new things. The rest of it is all made [ph] in the standard product. Matt Robinson – Wunderlich: How much does diameter signaling impact your product features?

Anil Singhal

Management

Well, that is already, I mean, that’s released a long time ago and yeah it’s a multi-million dollar impact but it’s just one of the many things. Matt Robinson – Wunderlich: And has this November release already been in beta for a while?

Anil Singhal

Management

Yeah, we had early versions of this. We call it EFD in a few places. Matt Robinson – Wunderlich: So these big service provider deals that are in motion for you, are they dependent upon this November release and are they, well, to what are they dependent upon it?

Anil Singhal

Management

A very small production and that the big impact of this will be next year. Matt Robinson – Wunderlich: So is the critical fast item for closing those service provider deals are basically just budgeting timing for your customers? Is that the way we should look at it?

Anil Singhal

Management

Yeah. And some new features we have already released in the last few months in the existing products. Matt Robinson – Wunderlich: How do you see the pace of the service providers and domestic versus overseas and particularly for VOLTE?

Anil Singhal

Management

Yeah, I don’t know. It’s hard to say but it’s percentage wise at some point next year will be same. I mean, it’s a similar pattern. So if people are using – the customer is using 4G data for us, whether it’s international or local, they’ll be a percentage of those people who will be using the voice over LTE product also from us. Matt Robinson – Wunderlich: So we should think in terms of the domestic market first?

Anil Singhal

Management

Because it is a bigger portion of revenue and not because it’s voice or something else. It’s just because we have, I mean, we have more North American business overall both in enterprise and service provider. Matt Robinson – Wunderlich: Do you see VOLTE as a market share catalyst for you?

Anil Singhal

Management

Well, it’s new for everyone. So, yeah, I mean, we continue to increase our market share. We were – we have no revenue five, six years ago in this area. And we crossed $100 million, close to that last year. So yes, there is market share gain for every single thing we do whether it’s 4G, 3G data, some things we are doing in the application recognition, voice over LTE and support for higher speeds like 100 gigs. So it’s a constant changing thing but the new operation it is every six months. Matt Robinson – Wunderlich: Thank you very much.

Anil Singhal

Management

Yeah.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from Sanjit Singh with Wedbush. Your line is now open. Sanjit Singh – Wedbush: Thank you for taking my questions. Jean, I was wondering if you talk about the guidance range, we’re halfway through the year and yet the range is still the same. Could you just talk about why you thought the range is the same? Is it assumptions around when some of these large deals roll in? Can you just talk about the range?

Jean Bua

Management

Sure. So, I usually talk about at the midpoint of guidance and in the past I’ve talked about it at the low point versus the midpoint and higher. And in the past, what we’ve said to get to through $385 million and that’s where in the first half of the year we are definitely executing well towards that range. We needed our NPM platform to continue to sell well along with the packet flow switch. The packet flow switch is selling to our expectation. We’ve also clearly completed the second quarter where the Federal Government has done their traditional budget flush to get to the low end of the range. We have said that we would need Federal to remain flat and government flat where it is at this point. So getting towards the low end of the guidance at this point, we feel comfortable with that. Getting towards the midpoint or higher, as we said, we would need the nGeniusONE new product launch to get better traction than we had originally anticipated or we would need in the second half of the year for the Federal Government now that it has come back from shutdown mode at least for the next quarter or so to continue to spend funds. As we’ve said over the last year or two, we have tremendous demand from our product with many new uses in the Federal Government and we still have and had in Q2 a lot of demand in the quarter for our product uses. It just goes back to whether the government will continue to spend money in the second half of the year. So at this point we’ve chosen to leave the range as $385 million to $400 million. We see the potential for upside in service provider to get to the 20% growth. Plus we do see potential still for nGeniusONE to have better traction but we would still need at least one more quarter to decide whether we think that that will impact the range to any significant degree. So clearly, at the end of Q3, as we have better visibility into Q4, we will adjust the range at that point if need be. Q3 of this year, we’re going to pass off first $100 million quarter which is a very exciting time for the company. We probably would pass it based on our estimate to the lower end of $100 million, so $100 million to somewhere maybe slightly north of that, with a lot of the uptick as Anil said from nGeniusONE and some of the traction beginning from the new product launch in our Q4. Sanjit Singh – Wedbush: Thanks for the explanation. That was great. Anil, on the packet flow switch, what’s the impact on option of probes, is it a halo of fact or is it more cannibalistic? How does those two part [ph] for the product portfolio work with each other?

Anil Singhal

Management

I think so far, I mean, people have thought it would impact it negatively but so far it has been positive because they are – people are not reducing their cost on existing – this is making the solution cost effective enough to put place [ph] they had talked to me [ph] they will not do it before. So I think so far we are seeing a positive impact on the probe revenue or it’s neutral to positive. And, yeah, long term it could have some negative impact but that will be more than made up because of the better competitive solution we have and being deployed in more places now that we are going to be asking our customers to deploy for the APM reason and not just for the NPM reason. Sanjit Singh – Wedbush: And what are the gauge traction [ph] of – you’ve made some improvements of the product portfolio, what the initial traction on [inaudible] new account either with nGeniusONE or is it APM specific? Is that something more of a calendar ‘14 event or what’s the traction with the new part?

Anil Singhal

Management

Well, I think, first thing is that, I mean, we are a very mature company with 2,000 customers. And so, I mean, driving a deeper penetration into those accounts is much more effective and much more useful for both customer and NetScout. So yes, we have some new customers, some really big wins in financial first time. But bulk of the investment is going to come from existing customer. And unlike other people’s business, our business is like a router of Cisco in that sense that you have new deployment within existing customers and new places, new data centers. Sanjit Singh – Wedbush: Right.

Anil Singhal

Management

So we call that new business. And that’s how we come to Salesforce [ph] also. So it’s sometimes, it’s different than a traditional software company and we are a software company but different in this sense. So we look at opportunity and the existing customer in new projects, whether it’s new projects because of new data centers, so new networks and now new APM and maybe next year because of fiber [ph], all those reasons are really the big opportunity and bulk of the growth is going to come from there. Sanjit Singh – Wedbush: Got it. And, Jean, my last question. Do you have the data on the depreciated amortization as well as CapEx and headcount?

Jean Bua

Management

Sure. So you want it for the quarter or for year-to-date? Sanjit Singh – Wedbush: For the quarter.

Jean Bua

Management

For the quarter, depreciation in amortization was about $5 million. Headcount is at about 1,013 people. And what was the third part, Sanjit? Sanjit Singh – Wedbush: CapEx.

Jean Bua

Management

CapEx for the quarter was about $4 million. Sanjit Singh – Wedbush: All right. Thank you for taking my question.

Jean Bua

Management

You’re welcome.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from Kevin Liu with B. Riley. Your line is now open. Kevin Liu – B. Riley: Hi, good morning. Just a couple of questions on the packet flow switch offering. The first one is in terms of selling to your existing base, can you give us a sense as to how many of these deals are kind of standalone packet flow switch deals versus bundled with your probes? And then, what sort of win rates are you seeing against some of the more established players like Gigamon and UE [ph] when you’re going in on these deals?

Anil Singhal

Management

Well, I think, we are winning quite a few of them. I think we are not separating, we are not looking at a PFS standalone and together in – we don’t track that because sometimes on the first month they will buy packet flow switch. In the second month they will the probe. So today we’re bought [ph] for together really so it’s very hard to keep track of those things and because overall, the customer is getting a good feeling about the natural integration within our two products. And in terms of the, well, I think our growth rate is higher probably than anyone including Gigamon. Obviously, the absolute number is lower because we just started a year ago, a year and a half ago. Sanjit Singh – Wedbush: Yep. And then also one quick one on service provider, for me, just, since your business in the second half isn’t all that dependent on some of your newer solutions, can you just talk about where all that growth is going to be coming from? It seems like to get to your 20% target, you’d need a significant pump up on the products that – so are you just seeing more instrumentation throughout the network? So are you successfully moving into other areas of the network like the RAN? Just wanted as much clearer as possible there.

Anil Singhal

Management

I mean [ph], a big portion is 3G and 4G expansions but we are moving to RAN area and we talked about voice also which will have some impact. And then there are projects in the 40G and 100G area which is, you can call it expansion but it’s really even higher speed environment. And Jean just mentioned that we have increased our sales people in the cable/MSO segment also, some of which is going to come from there. Sanjit Singh – Wedbush: Okay. Thank you.

Anil Singhal

Management

Yeah.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from Chad Bennett with Craig-Hallum Capital. Your line is now open. Chad Bennett – Craig-Hallum Capital: Yeah, thanks. So should we assume by your deals size commentary that, well, when you actually did give some color on deal sizes every quarter that seven-figure deals and six-figure deals are up meaningfully from where they were when you gave that data?

Anil Singhal

Management

Well, we are not providing that right now but, I mean, I think most important is the number of $100,000 deals, so it’s not just one or two big seven figure deals. It is the reason for saying increased deal sizes, I think it speak [ph] more a number of $100,000 deals is going to become more of the norm than exceptions because you might have one [ph] packet flow switch and one probe and that’s it, you’ll be exceeding that number. Chad Bennett – Craig-Hallum Capital: So the deal size commentary, that probably answers my next question isn’t a function of larger nGeniusONE or InfiniStream deals, whatever you want to call it. It’s a function of a monitoring product and a packet flow switch product, right, that’s increasing deal sizes?

Anil Singhal

Management

[Inaudible] more the InfiniStream in one big deal.

Jean Bua

Management

Hi, Chad, this is Jean. The deal sizes are relatively comparable to Q2 clearly because it’s a bigger business at this point versus last year; having slightly more deals in the $1 million range and slightly more deals as Anil mentioned in the $100,000. Right now, why we are seeing deal sizes increase is that the approach we’re taking with nGeniusONE, the convergence of NPM and APM and how we are as the only vendor can really do that to a very proactive and quick response. We’ve changed the workflow such that within three clicks these people can get to the root of their problem as a team and solve their customer or their end-user issues much faster. That road map and demoing that product has given them confidence to continue to want to instrument their network with our product and to some degree, we have won new customers because of that and we’ve also shortened sales cycle because the competition can’t compare at this point. Chad Bennett – Craig-Hallum Capital: Okay. So the financial services customer that you highlighted in the call, can you comment who you displaced there?

Jean Bua

Management

We don’t really go into who the competitors are that we displaced there. That was a quicker sale when they saw our product. Michael can probably give you a lot more detail about the environment and what we sold and how we won them there.

Anil Singhal

Management

Yeah, but it’s a bigger APM player. So other than that–

Michael Szabados

Management

Yeah, I mean, I don’t want to say who exactly it was but it was one of the leaders of the space and it’s a [inaudible] for us because we’ve won with all the combination of our strength including nGeniusONE and having the packet flow switch there and being able to address APM needs such as monitoring transaction flow. So, but it was one of the big ones. Chad Bennett – Craig-Hallum Capital: So, in the hundred plus customers that you indicate that are, I don’t know if they bought, demoed, trying nGeniusONE at this point, what applications, is there any consistency or any trend behind the applications that they’re trying out or demoing using your APM solution?

Michael Szabados

Management

Yeah, I mean, if you’re starting to see a pattern in Web-based applications, Citrix also, a set of applications that we used to be monitoring but now we are monitoring with more, in more detail custom application. And just the first conjecture [ph] there, all of these customers have the product deployed, whether deployed in the full production or partial or in the lab, that’s differentiated, that may be different but all of them are deployed so it’s not just trailing. This is all being used.

Anil Singhal

Management

And also, just one technical thing to mention is the way we have done the product is traditionally when you do a new release, you have to upgrade that infrastructure in order to try the product and you have to pay for it. So in our case, that portion of the [inaudible] is, there is no charge for it. Plus they can deploy – they can use both the older and the new side by side. So that allows them to quickly test it out, otherwise it takes a long time for a big customer who have hundreds of [inaudible] to overnight move to the next generation. And so, that’s what we mean by shorter deployment time. Chad Bennett – Craig-Hallum Capital: Okay. So a little bit confused on the nGeniusONE hundred plus – so the product did contribute meaningful revenue in the quarter and definition of meaningful is different but millions of dollars in the quarter or it did not?

Jean Bua

Management

Hi, Chad, as we talked about last time in Q1, we had a service provider win that bought nGeniusONE and we shipped it in this quarter. And we had a few other customers that also had bought early in Q1 that we shipped in this quarter. And then a few that also had bought in Q2 that were shipped or will ship in the subsequent quarters. At this point, to be able to pull apart nGeniusONE and everything else, as Anil talked about, we don’t really look at products families [ph]. However, nGeniusONE this quarter probably contributed in the range of maybe, on standalone maybe 1%. It’s really the trajectory, the roadmap, the approach and the convergence of NPM and APM that is driving our customers to see the value in our products. Chad Bennett – Craig-Hallum Capital: Perfect, that’s great detail. Last one for me. I didn’t see a backlog number. I assume we did not report one because it’s not material in your mind.

Jean Bua

Management

So the backlog number, I think over the times we’ve discussed it extensively. The backlog number is still consistent with where it was at year end when we reported it. It’s still though, when you look at the midpoint or higher guidance, probably a little less than 10%. So we’re still comfortable in our guidance and the back log is just a function of customers ordering and when they need their shipment. Chad Bennett – Craig-Hallum Capital: Okay. Thanks for taking my questions.

Jean Bua

Management

You’re welcome. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And we have no further questions at this time. I turn the call back to our presenters.

Anil Singhal

Management

Thank you everyone for staying on. We saw more than 50 people despite the small glitch we had. And so sorry for the confusion but I think we were able to address most of your questions and we’ll speak to you again in three months.

Operator

Operator

And that concludes today’s conference call. You may now disconnect.