Craig Nunez
Analyst · Clay Knobler for Imperial Capital
Sure, I'll take -- this is Craig, I'll take a stab at it and then let Chris chime in as well. By the way, good to hear from you. So, we have stated for years now that our goal was to pay our debt to zero, then hit the preferreds. But we've also pointed out that there could come a point in time when our leverage becomes so low, that it might make sense to go tackle the preferred because the preferreds have a 12% coupon and our Parentco bonds, for example, have only a 9.125% coupon. So, we are we are continually evaluating whether to tackle the preferreds or today [ph] or whether to buy bonds. So, every time we make a decision to buy a bond back, we were comparing that to buying the preferreds. And that relates to the second question you asked, which -- the follow-on part, which was what is the cost of buying the preferred now and that's an important factor in our decision. There is a redemption premium, is one way to think of it, associated with the preferreds. And just like there's a call premium associated with calling bonds, there's a redemption period premium with the preferreds. And it's quite sizable, at present. Currently, today, it's about 20%. So, if we were to buy back the -- we were to redeem the preferreds by providing notice to the preferred holders that we wanted to redeem a portion of their preferreds, they would be required to sell it back to us. But we'd have to pay them the par amount plus about 20% premium on top of that. And so when you compare that to the market value of our Parentco bonds, as an example, or the call premium of our Parentco bonds, say in -- at the end of October, when it drops down to 102.5, I believe it is, and you do the math, it actually is more attractive at this point in time to buy down bonds, than it is preferreds just from a mathematical standpoint. Additionally, you have the qualitative benefit that bonds can default if your business turns out and you'll be in a default, and it can put you -- it can undermine your business. Our preferreds have no events of default in the middle. So, they are true equity securities and they give us tremendous flexibility, we can just stop paying those distributions on the preferreds if we have to. Now, we certainly, at this point in our life evolution, we don't envision being in that type of a situation, but there's a qualitative benefit to having them as well. Now, that redemption premium on the preferreds drops over time. Every quarter, when we make a distribution to the preferred unitholders, it gets credited against that redemption premium. So, each quarter that 20% -- what is now 20% premium will drop and this next quarter, I believe it drops to perhaps 17%, and the quarter after that, it will drop a little bit further. So, there's a point at which you come in the not-too-distant future where there's a crossover, as I like to call it, where it actually does get economically more attractive or at least as attractive to buyback the preferred as the Parentco bond. And then the real key is the qualitative factors that you have to weigh is whether you want to retire back a debt instrument or whether you want to retire as events the default or whether you want to buyback a preferred, which gives you significant equity flexibility. And then as far as the mechanics that you asked with the preferreds it is -- is simply providing them a notice that we plan to redeem portions of their preferreds. There are minimum amounts we have to redeem, I believe it's $25 million increments, all that's in our -- in the documents that are filed as record in our filings. But it's a pretty straightforward simple process. We've not redeemed any preferreds yet, except for pick amounts that we had picked in earlier years that we later retained, but it's pretty straightforward. Chris, do you have anything to add on that?