Robert Piconi
Analyst · Tuohy Brothers. Please proceed.
Yes. No, it's not dozens, it's sub-10 because if you think about where do we do those types of deals, we're going to do them in places where we can find very credible, reliable large partners, ideally in markets that are experiencing growth, meaning where there is a defined market need. So, look at South Africa, I think the things are fairly well. [Indiscernible] there about what they call load shedding, which in California, we sort of call rolling blackouts. And so there is an absolute need for the storage there and in places where we prefer not to go set up shop. I mean we're more of a technology provider, I'd say, overall, although we have the ability to asset manage as we're doing now in Calistoga. So, I'd say that there would be definitely something if you look at over the next few years. There's other locations that can be interesting for that model. And in particular, I'd say, for gravity, where you're a -- if you think about it, that is all a local construction project, can be done mostly locally. Some places don't have the power electronics or they aren't making the big multi-megawatt motors. So, those may have to come in. But otherwise, because of the nature of -- it's a building and a construction project, it lends itself to these types of business models. And I think it's -- from an investor perspective, it's interesting because there's typically licenses that are paid upfront or in some cases, they're paid in cash over time and then there's the royalties tied to volume. And I know it can be frustrating when you're new and you just do them and the timing of those royalties, understanding when are they going to come as systems get built and turned over. And specifically with gravity, obviously, we're talking about systems that take 12 months to 18 months to build. So, -- but those are coming. They are at quite a significant royalty percentage. I mean on revenue, 5% is, I'd say, towards the higher end of what you see in royalty agreements. So, it's something that we're going to be providing some indicators on in terms of when we expect those to kick in on some of the initial agreements going forward.