Yes. I'm not sure if they're going to come out and talk in those precise terms and for that kind of time period. I guess my comments are more around I get the feeling that they're more comfortable with a certain level of building, that the projects are going pretty well. They're able to finance them, They're able to contract these rigs at attractive day rates. There -- I think there's a growing level of comfort in rig building that wasn't there 3, 4, 5, 10 years ago, and that's more what I'm referring to. Strategically, I can't tell you and they're not sharing with us something that long-range, although internally, they may be considering it. But I just get the sense that they buy into this idea that worldwide production is going to continue to shift more and more into deepwater. That's the new frontier for the 21st century. It takes a lot of rigs to make that happen, and that their internal organizational effort and financing efforts going into new build rigs is working pretty well. And we saw this on the land side maybe a few years earlier with drillers like H&P. They set up a system internally, for instance, in that case, to build flex [ph] rigs. And once they got it up and running, it worked pretty well. You sort of develop a more systematic process around building these rigs, the rig design, staffing the rigs, training crews, financing the rigs. And I think that's what's at work amongst the more established drillers now. It's that it's become a more systematic process, they're comfortable with it. Strategically, it's a great path to earnings growth and a great path to deployment of capital for their shareholders and just a kind of a more steady-state world. Let me, though -- also point out though that we get the fact this is always going to be a cyclical business and we're always going to be subject to external factors like the availability of credits, steel cost, shipyard slots, et cetera, et cetera. So this is going to have some volatility in it. The point I'm trying to make is, what's really changed and what we're trying to highlight is that perhaps the strategic thinking of our customers has -- is evolving and shifting in a positive way for NOV.