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Northern Oil and Gas, Inc. (NOG)

Q4 2015 Earnings Call· Thu, Mar 3, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good day everyone and welcome to Northern Oil and Gas Incorporated’s Fourth Quarter and Year-End 2015 Earnings Results Conference Call. This call is being recorded. With us today from the Company is the Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Mike Reger; Chief Financial Officer Tom Stoelk and Executive Vice President Brandon Elliott. At this time, I will turn the call over to Brandon. Please go ahead, sir.

Brandon Elliott

Management

Thanks, Chelsea. Good morning everybody. We are happy to welcome you to Northern's year-end 2015 earnings call. I will read our Safe Harbor language and then turn the call over to Mike Reger, our Chief Executive Officer for his opening comments and then Tom Stoelk, our Chief Financial Officer will walk you through the financial results for the quarter. Please be advised that our remarks today, including the answers to your questions, may include forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to be materially different from the expectations contemplated by these forward-looking statements. Those risks include, among others, matters that we have described in our earnings release as well as in our filings with the SEC including our Annual Report on Form 10-K and our Quarterly Reports on Form 10-Q. We disclaim any obligation to update these forward-looking statements. During this conference call we will also make references to certain non-GAAP financial measures including adjusted net income, adjusted EBITDA and PV-10 values. Reconciliation of these measures to the closest GAAP measures can be found in the earnings release that we issued last night. With the disclosures out of the way, I'll turn the call over to Mike.

Michael Reger

Management

Thanks Brandon. Good morning and thank you all for joining the call today. I would like to begin the call with few highlights and accomplishments from 2015. Discuss our plans for 2016 and then turn the call over to Tom Stoelk, our CFO to cover the financial highlights. Despite the challenging macro environment 2015 was another good year for Northern. We continued our focus on capital allocation, balance sheet strength and liquidity. Our capital discipline allowed us to generate free cash flow in the second half of 2015, which we used to reduce the amount we have drawn on our revolving credit facility from $188 million as of June 30 of 2015 to $150 million as of the end of the year. We have reduced that balance even further to $125 million as of March 1. This is a result of the speed of which we were able to cut our capital spending in late 2014 and early 2015. The strong hedge position we had in place as we entered 2015 and a 76% reduction in year-over-year capital expenditures. Even with this dramatic cut in capital spend and the addition of fewer net wells than we originally modeled. We were still able to beat guidance and increase year-over-year production by 3% due to our returns based capital allocation approach. Northern has been very proactive throughout this downturn. At the beginning of 2015 we very quickly reversed our consent decision on quite a few wells that we had elected to participate in at higher oil prices resulting in the elimination of over $80 million of CapEx on wells that no longer met our internal rate of return thresholds. Next, we added to our hedge book as oil prices temporarily improved in the spring of 2015 by layering in $65 swaps in…

Thomas Stoelk

Management

Thanks Mike. Today, I am going to cover some of the financial highlights for the fourth quarter and provide some commentary on our liquidity. Adjusted net income from the fourth quarter of 2015 was $15.6 million or $0.25 per diluted share. Adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter was $67.7 million. Both of these amounts were impacted by the low oil and natural gas prices during the quarter. Fourth quarter production averaged 15,716 barrels of oil equivalent per day. In light of the low price commodity environment, our total capital expenditures declined approximately 76% in 2015 as compared to our actual CapEx spend in 2014. Despite the reduction in capital spending, our year-over-year production growth was 3%. This year-over-year production growth was partly driven by completion of our large inventory wells and process entering 2015 as well as the improved economics and recoveries on the 18.6 net wells that we added during the year. Realized price per barrel of oil equivalent after reflecting our settled derivative transactions was $59.83 per Boe for the fourth quarter which was down approximately 11% on a year-over-year basis. This decrease was due to low commodity prices in 2015 as compared to last year. Partially offsetting the lower commodity prices was an improvement in the average oil price differentials to NYMEX WTI benchmark which averaged $8.30 per barrel in the fourth quarter of 2015 as compared to $12.89 per barrel in the fourth quarter of 2014. We currently expect that oil price differentials will be in the $8 to $10 range during 2016. Oil, natural gas and NGL sales, when you include our cash derivative settlements totaled $86.5 million in the fourth quarter. A high level of oil hedged under fixed price agreements helped to mitigate the current low price environment. For the fourth quarter of…

Operator

Operator

Certainly. [Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from the line of Scott Hanold with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Scott Hanold

Analyst

Thanks. When I look at the fourth quarter production results, they came in pretty strong, and obviously you guys had made some indication to the better productivity you are seeing from your operators. Can you give us a little color on some of those fourth quarter completions you saw? Is there a specific operator that helped boost that? And give us a little color on the better productivity, as well as maybe the shift to more core acreage, how that mix shift all benefited 4Q?

Michael Reger

Management

Yes, thanks Scott. This is Mike. I think the - we had decent completion activity in the core of the play in the fourth quarter. One of the highlights would have been our high working interest exposure to Whiting's Tarpon area. We had a handful of wells completed with Whiting in October, November and those came online in the fourth quarter. Several other operators were completing some wells in the core of the play, and so it increased our production little higher than we had expected as well. So we continue to see the core of the play get even better almost all of our operating partners are using the higher intensity completions and we’re seeing substantially increased EURs across the board.

Scott Hanold

Analyst

Okay. Can you quantify that at all, the size of the EUR uplift that you are seeing, on average?

Michael Reger

Management

We are seeing 30% to 50% depending on the area and depending on the operator.

Scott Hanold

Analyst

Okay, okay, good. And can you also discuss with the plan to stay within cash flows, well productivity improving, but your well costs coming down, it seems like that required threshold that you all have to consent to a well is improving, and how do you weigh that versus what that limitation or the governor is on how much you want to spend?

Michael Reger

Management

Yes, I think it just it all comes down to what kind of drilling activity we see in 2016, obviously each time we receive a well proposal and we receive them every day. We run the economics on that well based on the current strip if it meets our economic threshold we participate if it doesn't then we don't. We’ll continue to obviously participate in the better wells, which is again makes our strategic business model very unique and then we can tack our production - our CapEx and production according to well prices. We gave you - during my comments I gave you just kind of a range and what we could possibly see given the up to component of our approved capital budget and what we think is kind of our latest most likely case given lower oil prices. So that’s kind of the range I want to push it to and again if oil prices stay low it could even be lower CapEx spend. So that's the beauty of our business models we have the ability to increase our production or CapEx spend based on activity levels and oil prices - at our discretion.

Scott Hanold

Analyst

Yes, I appreciate that, and to that point, if this is a lower-for-longer environment and you are actually reducing spending on completions, could you guys be a little bit more opportunistic on the acreage and outspend cash flow in that way, just being it is the right time as the acreage prices are low? Is that a consideration?

Michael Reger

Management

You know, it is, but I would say that the operative word here is discipline I think you know we - anytime we see a drilling unit where we have existing working interest or we see that a unit is being proposed where we - where that drilling unit, that location, that operator would generate and those wells would generate an acceptable rate of return for us. We will spend a lot of time picking away at working interest in that unit. And so where we receive well proposals that don't meet our rate of return thresholds we’ll not consent those wells, and units where we - where it does meet our internal rate of return threshold, we’re going to attack.

Scott Hanold

Analyst

Okay, and I guess this is a quick follow-up to that. Have you guys been seeing more acreage opportunities come through with this last downturn in oil prices?

Michael Reger

Management

It started to pick up a little bit and I’m trying to figure out the best way to say this, but we’ve seen a pickup in deal activity, but what we are starting to see that’s relatively new is opportunities in the very, very core of the play. You could see that our average cost per acre in the fourth quarter actually increased a little bit just because we were spending a lot of time in a very, very core of the play picking away at acreage opportunities. So we’re starting to see more and more opportunities in those better areas and so we think that there's a lot of work to do here in 2016 in that very core area.

Scott Hanold

Analyst

Appreciate it. Thanks for the time.

Michael Reger

Management

Thanks Scott.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Peter Kissel with Howard Weil. Your line is now open.

Peter Kissel

Analyst · Howard Weil. Your line is now open.

Thank you. Good morning guys, and thanks for taking my questions. Mike, thanks for walking through how you derive the CapEx and the associated production there, but I just have one logistics question, I guess. When you receive an AFE, is there any way to determine the operators intent to either defer completions or complete immediately? I am just trying to see how you are balancing the cash outflow with the potential cash inflow and the lag that could exist with some of the deferred completions that are going on.

Michael Reger

Management

Sure. Well, first of all just to say the overarching theme as we got a good liquidity position so we can make our decisions based on quality of rock, whether we’re going to participate in the drilling of a well regardless of when it’s completed. We aren’t reliant upon that well being completed in order to shoot the gap if you will. Here is the way we do it over here and Northern is the largest non-operator in the Williston Basin. Our relationships with our operating partners are very good and extensive down to every level from their land departments to ours and their accounting department to ours. We have very good visibility on timing of wells. Our entire duct portfolio or of the portfolio of drilled that uncompleted wells, we haven't basically mapped out by operator when those wells are expected to be completed. And then any wells, obviously it helps us further model the economics on that well based on our discussions with the operator on when those wells are expected to be completed. So it’s something we worked really hard at and we’re really good at it.

Peter Kissel

Analyst · Howard Weil. Your line is now open.

Great. Thanks, Mike, that's helpful. Earlier, the questions were on asset acquisitions or acreage acquisitions. I'm just wondering. Conversely, have you seen any of the operators out there looking to buy out non-operated partners to core up their positions in this sort of market? And if so, is that something you would be interested in to continue to boost liquidity, if it is a possibility?

Michael Reger

Management

We’ve seen a little bit of that from some of our larger partners, but I think more than anything just given the quality of our balance sheet relative to some of our peers, we’re actually seeing the opposite were some of the larger operating partners we have are looking to potentially sell some of their non-op DUCs to us. So we’re seeing - it’s across the board, Pete and it's a really interesting environment, but we’re being as opportunistic as possible as you can probably imagine this environment were really redlining our engineering department - there is a lot of activity.

Peter Kissel

Analyst · Howard Weil. Your line is now open.

Okay, all right. And one last question for me. You have had great hedges in 2015. You still have good hedges in 2016. Presumably, some of your economics still work here at the 20% hurdle rate at the strip because you are still electing to participate in some wells. So I guess my question is, would you be willing to hedge at these levels based on the strip in 2017 and 2018 to try to lock in those cash flows at this point or do you think that there is a better reward if you wait it out a little bit to hedge?

Michael Reger

Management

I guess I’ll take this opportunity to use the word discipline again. We really - we’ve always looked at our CapEx as a returns based exercise as you known - you’ve known me personally for 10 years, Pete I’ve never had an opinion on oil prices in 10 years I’ve only ever had an opinion on returns. If we elect to participate in a substantial number of wells, it's based on essentially a current strip and we are more than prepared to hedge those and lock in those returns. It has nothing to do with oil price, there's no magic number, we hear some of our operating partners talking about 50 or 60 or what have you. If we see somewhat of a larger acquisition or if we see a substantial pickup and wells that we participate in that we’re participating in and at the current strip we’re more than happy to lock in those returns. All we care about is returns.

Peter Kissel

Analyst · Howard Weil. Your line is now open.

Great. Thanks Mike. Appreciate the answers.

Michael Reger

Management

Thanks Pete.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Neal Dingmann with SunTrust. Your line is now open.

Neal Dingmann

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open.

Mike, just one for - I just have two questions. The first overall question I had, obviously you mentioned discipline several times today. So I guess when you package everything together and look between deciding on participating with additional AFEs, and when you’re looking at the DUCs versus hedging, et cetera, is all this based on when you and Tom sit down you want X amount of liquidity? That's the key? Or is it more about - all about required rate of returns. I get the discipline idea that you are definitely forecasting, but I was wondering when you package it all together really what is driving this for you?

Michael Reger

Management

Yes, I’ll give you one - somewhat simple answer, if you model anyone of our well proposals that we received in our engineering, our Aries Engineering Software essentially if the well meets our rate of return threshold then it’s effectively going to be liquidity positive. So the way we look at it is that anything in this current oil price environment if any well in this current oil price environment meets or exceeds our economic thresholds it’s going to be a net positive from a liquidity standpoint from reserves and what have you. When we look at the current rig count, it essentially solves for itself and in my comments I wanted to provide somewhat of a range of what a CapEx spend would look like under a certain completed well scenario and in a normal environment we would expect to complete our wells, our DUCs this year and complete and with the current rig count add another six net wells. And if those all came on straight line that would result in that certain production profile. If oil prices stay low and rig counts continue to drop, our CapEx spend will drop. It's just a function of activity levels in the basin. That’s the beauty of our business model and our ability to manage our CapEx as we think our greatest strength in this current environment and makes our business model ideal in this environment.

Neal Dingmann

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open.

Good answer, Mike, and just one follow-up on that. On that very first part when you said to make sure these wells are I would like to say be your cash flow positive, is that - you are looking at, what - obviously not necessarily from day one or is that just a certain payback period or how do you all - how do you define that?

Michael Reger

Management

Okay, I’ll just laid out, what we look at is on a basic - assuming a well that’s being drilled is going to be completed in relatively short order and we haven't received any confirmation from our operating partners that wells going to be drilled and then that completion will be materially delayed. We would run essentially a two-year strip starting in six months from well proposal and that’s a good hand wave and kind of how those cash flows will roll in and if that strip, actual strip meets our economic threshold as it relates to our engineering work then we will participate in the wells and to echo the previous answer I gave all we care about is returns. If we hedge it has nothing to do with the arbitrary price, it has to do with locking in a rate of return that we feel is acceptable.

Neal Dingmann

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open.

Got it. Great details. Thanks a lot.

Michael Reger

Management

Thanks a lot.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Phillips Johnston with CapitalOne. Your line is now open.

Phillips Johnston

Analyst · CapitalOne. Your line is now open.

Hey, guys. Thank you. Just a question on your reserve adds last year for both your PDP wells and the PUD locations that you booked. What was the average EUR that Ryder Scott assumed for all of your new additions and how did that compare to the average EURs booked in 2014?

Thomas Stoelk

Management

I think that the average is on the PUDs are in a low 600’s and that was probably up about 30% from the average EURs booked in 2014 and that’s just really due to the - there is a reduction in number of PUD locations, but the quality of where those wells and those PUDs are located at.

Phillips Johnston

Analyst · CapitalOne. Your line is now open.

Okay, and the PDP wells, was it roughly the same [a year] or so?

Thomas Stoelk

Management

Not as much of an uplift on PDP because you have a mix of over completions in there, so you have a smaller increase kind of year-over-year with respect to that.

Phillips Johnston

Analyst · CapitalOne. Your line is now open.

Okay.

Thomas Stoelk

Management

You’ve got a basis, got a lot of over completions I guess is what I’m trying to tell you.

Phillips Johnston

Analyst · CapitalOne. Your line is now open.

Okay, makes sense. And then, just looking at the balance sheet, Tom, as you pointed out, liquidity is very strong. You have got no debt maturities until 2020. Your spending for this year looks pretty close to cash flow, so you're not adding any new debt. But as you point out in the release, you do have about $75 million of hedging gains rolling off at the end of this year, which is a headwind to next year's cash flow and leverage ratio even if pricing improves. My question is, what additional levers are you guys considering in order to prevent the leverage ratio from expanding next year? And would you consider new equity or is that something that you would [Audio Dip]?

Thomas Stoelk

Management

Well, it’s really hard and really don’t want to speculate any kind of capital decisions but I think first and foremost what we’ll do is in the spring borrowing base redetermination go in as I referenced in the call I think will have a 20% to 30% probably reduction somewhere there. In connection to that we’ve already had discussion with our banks about changing the covenants to get to something that that we would be more comfortable with should lower prices kind of not recover and that’s probably our first line of attack with respect to it and then see where it kind of it plays out from there.

Phillips Johnston

Analyst · CapitalOne. Your line is now open.

Okay.

Thomas Stoelk

Management

But we know a number of levers that we could pull with respect to it.

Phillips Johnston

Analyst · CapitalOne. Your line is now open.

Okay, sounds good. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Steve Berman with Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open.

Stephen Berman

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open.

Good morning. Mike, one clarification. When we were talking about the 100 million keep production flat scenario, was that flat relative to the full-year average of [16.3] or flat for Q4? I hear the train going by there.

Brandon Elliott

Management

We got some oil moving by, sorry about that.

Michael Reger

Management

Yes, we see an oil train going by our office here. I think it would be year-over-year and the way we - and the way we model that if you take the 16 net wells and they come on ratably or straight line you know that that model shows relatively flat production to slightly down. And then looking at kind of where oil prices are now and in the last literally in the last week we've seen another dramatic drop in rig count in North Dakota - again, the beauty of our business model is we’re going to elect to participate in the wells that get drilled in the best spots and then meet our economic returns and if not then we won't and we have pretty good visibility on when the 9.7 net wells will come on and right now we don’t see whole lot of those coming on in the first half of the year. So we feel really good about our spend regardless of pace.

Stephen Berman

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open.

Got it. Tom, a couple for you. The G&A guidance you gave, was that cash only or all in on the…

Thomas Stoelk

Management

No, that’s all in.

Stephen Berman

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open.

All in.

Thomas Stoelk

Management

Yes, that’s all in.

Stephen Berman

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open.

Okay, and then DD&A was down in Q4 from prior quarters. Is that a good number to use for 2016?

Thomas Stoelk

Management

Yes, that is exactly what I would use. I mean obviously, the depletion will be based on reserves that we calculate at the end of March, which is going to be factor of price, so that’s still moving around. But at this point I’d use the $16.59 depletion rate and the $0.11 depreciation and accretion rate to model. It will likely change somewhat after we finalize reserves and record those but that’s a good number to use right now.

Stephen Berman

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open.

Great. Thank you.

Thomas Stoelk

Management

Yep.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Ryan Oatman with Cowen and Company. Your line is now open.

Ryan Oatman

Analyst · Cowen and Company. Your line is now open.

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. Want to take just a little bit of a different tack here to talk conceptually. There has been some operators talking about the opportunity in the Williston Basin for refracs. I just wanted to walk through how that works with you guys. Do they speak to those as capital expenditures, and you guys incur those costs alongside the operator, or do they classify those as operating expense and it is a free benefit for you? You don't outlay any capital, but you get the benefit on the production side?

Michael Reger

Management

Yes, I think over the last 10 years I can’t remember a supplemental AFE showing up that didn’t meet our economic thresholds just because a very small amount of capital can mean a lot when it comes to any re-completions, we’ve seen a lot of that, we saw that really start to take hold as new completion design started showing the positive results. So anytime we receive a supplemental AFE for a re-completion, it's usually a very substantial rate of return on that additional spend.

Thomas Stoelk

Management

And it’s capital right mostly.

Michael Reger

Management

Yes.

Ryan Oatman

Analyst · Cowen and Company. Your line is now open.

Okay. And can you speak to how that has trended over time here? I mean is that just more talk here or have you actually seen more AFEs coming in here recently?

Michael Reger

Management

We’ve seen a lot from Marathon over the last, call it year. Marathon actively developed the Bailey Field and Dunn County, which is some of the best rocks in North Dakota and we saw a lot of re-completions on these older completions where we had some substantial working interest in some good areas, we’ve seen it from - we’ve seen it from a handful of other operators that. Lot of these wells, if you remember, when we started drilling in 2007, 2008 you know was - some of them were even open hole, no frac, so our open hole, no stages and so the ability to get in there and try to crack open those really high quality rocks has been great. And again we saw a lot of different Marathon in 2015 so it ebbs and flows, but they’re great returns for both our operating partners and us.

Ryan Oatman

Analyst · Cowen and Company. Your line is now open.

That's great. And then, I do appreciate the comments on guidance, and understanding the capital program is fluid, obviously, at this point, I'm wondering if you could provide whatever sort of incremental clarity you may have at this point. You are decently into 1Q, understanding that the non-op cycle tends to make some visibility in terms of AFEs going out a little bit more fluid. Do you have a sense as to how much capital you think will go out the door in 1Q and how we should think about if we're going to use that base of $60 million to $70 million, how - maybe I won't pin it down quarterly, but how that progresses throughout the year?

Thomas Stoelk

Management

Yes, as Mike referenced in his comments, we think it’s going to be more heavily backend loaded somewhere like 30, 70 maybe first half, second half somewhere in there right if that helps.

Ryan Oatman

Analyst · Cowen and Company. Your line is now open.

That’s great. All right, I will hop back in the queue. Thanks.

Thomas Stoelk

Management

You bet.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of John Aschenbeck with Seaport Global. Your line is now open.

John Aschenbeck

Analyst · Seaport Global. Your line is now open.

Good morning. Thanks. I had a follow-up here on 2016’s program. What would - with completion activity starting back up in the second half of the year, what would you anticipate a good ballpark decline Q4 2016 versus Q4 2015 levels?

Michael Reger

Management

Yes. That’s 2015 probably. I think what’s going to happen with our production if we come as we kind of come into the year on a 10 well scenario and we initially forecast 15% that you are going to see it would be backend loaded. So what that means is in the first half, you are going to see the heavier decline. And then in the second half I think you're actually going to see a probably flatten out. So in the first quarter, it will probably be high single-digits, it will come off a little bit from that sequentially into the second quarter. And I actually think when I look at modeling and as those wells going to come on, it’s pretty flat in the second half. So I hope that helps.

John Aschenbeck

Analyst · Seaport Global. Your line is now open.

It does. Thanks. All my other questions have been asked.

Michael Reger

Management

Great. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our next question comes from the line of Adam Leight with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Adam Leight

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Hey, good morning everybody.

Michael Reger

Management

Hey Adam.

Adam Leight

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Thank you. Most of my questions were covered, but I guess, Tom, on the borrowing base, how independent is the actual borrowing base from the covenant negotiation? Do you anticipate that is really just a trade of covenant for covenant or is the pricing grid exercise? How is that going to work? And then, sort of the second part is a two-parter itself, but how comfortable would you be using any capacity the banks might allow to use cash to help delever the balance sheet, given where the bonds are trading?

Thomas Stoelk

Management

I guess answer to the first question it’s kind of all over the Board, to be honest we are not trying to dodge your question Adam, but you’ve seen some companies actually take an increase in the prices their interest rate grid to do that. In our case when you look at it and you look at our outstandings and the discipline that we've done with the banks. I think we feel we have a great relationship with our banks and probably to be honest with you, we are expecting to take grid for some covenant relief, yes, you got a lot of people struggling in the industry and we’ve kind of been real stand up with respect to our performance and our discipline and kind of the moves that we made with commitment reduction. So I’m not necessarily anticipating a really difficult time with respect to that. What was the second?

Brandon Elliott

Management

Yes, Adam this is Brandon, I think on the second one, I think we’re probably not going to get into kind of future potential capital decisions like that.

Adam Leight

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Okay. I mean part of it was just a viewpoint on liquidity versus repositioning the balance sheet for downturn?

Thomas Stoelk

Management

Yes, I think that from that standpoint it’s hard to speculate like Brandon says on capital decisions, but obviously when you do the math on some of the long-term balance it appears attractive, but I think our mindset is that nothing is more important than liquidity right now. We kind of noted in our comments that we continue to reduce activity and I guess we think that investing some level of capital and drilling does support kind of the long-term business and future financing capacity. So it's hard to look much past that I think we currently believe we want to maintain liquidity, probably do some drilling to keep the base up there and have future financing capacity with it. Not sure that we are real interested in using some of that capacity to go out and take out some of the senior notes. I think that’s probably what’s you are really asking me.

Adam Leight

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

That's what I was really asking and you didn't have to try to avoid my question. So thanks.

Thomas Stoelk

Management

Okay, all right.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the call back to Brandon Elliott for closing remarks.

Brandon Elliott

Management

Thanks everybody for your participation in the call and your interest in Northern Oil & Gas. Chelsea will give you the replay information and we look forward to talking to you guys next quarter or out on the road over the next couple of months. Thanks everyone.