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North American Construction Group Ltd. (NOA)

Q4 2016 Earnings Call· Wed, Feb 15, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to North American Energy Partners Earnings Call for the Year-End and Quarter Ended December 31, 2016. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. Following management’s prepared remarks, there will be an opportunity for analysts, shareholders and bondholders to ask questions. The media may monitor this call in listen-only mode. They are free to quote any member of management, but they are asked not to quote remarks from any other participant without that participant’s permission. I advise participants this call is also being webcast concurrently on the company’s website at nacg.ca. I’ll now turn the conference over to David Brunetta, Director of Finance and Information Technology at North American Energy Partners Inc. Please go ahead, sir.

David Brunetta

Management

Thank you and good morning everyone, and thank you joining us. Welcome to the North American Energy Partners 2016 year-end and fourth quarter conference call. I would like to remind everyone that today’s comments contain forward-looking information. Additionally, our actual results may differ materially from expected results because of various risk factors, uncertainties and assumptions. During this conference call any reference by management to EBITDA indicates consolidated EBITDA as defined in our financial statements and earnings release. For more information about our results, please refer to our December 31, 2016 management’s discussion and analysis, which is available on SEDAR and EDGAR. On today call, Rob Butler, VP of Finance will first review our fourth quarter results; Martin Ferron, President and CEO, will then provide his comments on our outlook and strategy. Also with us on the call today are Joe Lambert, Chief Operating Officer; and Barry Palmer, Vice President of Operations. After management’s prepared section, there will be a question-and-answer session. I will now turn the call over to Rob.

Rob Butler

Management

Thank you, David. Good morning, everyone. Let’s now review your consolidated results for fourth quarter ended December 31, 2016, compared to the quarter ended December 31, 2015. For the three months ended December 31, 2016, consolidated revenue was $62.2 million, down slightly from $65 million in the same period last year. Revenue was down in the current period compared to last year as a result of reduction in civil construction activity at Millennium and Aurora mines, reduced overburden removal volumes at the Steepbank and Millennium mines and the prior year completion of a site development project at the Kearl mine. This reduced activity was partially offset by the ramp up of our expanded winter work programs at the Mildred Lake and Millennium mines, completion of civil construction work at the Mildred Lake mine, ongoing mine support activities at the Kearl mine and the completion of a new civil dam construction project at the Red Chris Copper mine in Northwest British Columbia. For the three months ended December 31, 2016, gross profit was $6.4 million or 10.3% of revenue, down from gross profit of $9 million or 13.8% of revenue during the same period last year. The lower gross profit in the current period was driven by higher depreciation from increased winter work program activity and the completion of preventative maintenance and repair activities performed early in the quarter to prepare equipment for our winter work program. Prior period quarter benefited from project closeout activities on a site development project. For the three months ended December 31, 2016, depreciation was $12.7 million, up from $10.3 million in the same period last year. For this quarter operating loss was $1.2 million, compared to operating income of $0.5 million during the same period last year. G&A expense, excluding stock-based compensation cost was $5…

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Thank you, Rob, and good morning to everybody. Well, we may not be quite out of the woods yet, but it certainly appears that the worst of the long and steep cyclical downturn in the oil business is behind us. It’s been a tough couple of years and of course we have to deal with the impact of the terrible wildfires in the Fort McMurray area for several months in 2016. Firstly today I’d like to review our performance during the downturn by comparing some key financial performance and position data from the start of the downturn, end of Q3 2014 to the end of 2016. Net debt was reduced by 35% from $133.3 million to $87.3 million, while the associated interest payments dropped disproportionately by 52% from $12.2 million in 2014 to $5.8 million in 2016 as a result of refinancing high cost debt. Consolidated EBITDA margins were increased from 13% to 23%, despite the very negative impact of the terrible wildfire that I mentioned earlier and the considerable pricing concessions provided to customers during the downturn. The improvement in the EBITDA margin was driven largely by operational innovations, but it appears to position us as a low cost provider in our space. Over 5 million shares were purchased for cancellation at an average price of $3.39 per share. And over 1.9 million shares were bought by the trustee for our long-term incentive hedging plan at around the same cost basis. Overall since we started allocating capital to share repurchases in late 2013, we bought 9.1 million shares which equates to around 25% of the initial shares issued. Lastly, we’ve come through the downturn, with all of our pivotal master service agreements intact or significantly expanded. And therefore, we do not face any renewals until late 2020 at the…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from the line of Yuri Lynk of Canaccord Genuity. Your line is open.

Yuri Lynk

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Your line is open

Good morning.

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Good morning, Yuri.

Yuri Lynk

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Your line is open

Good morning, Martin. Nice quarter. Just wondering if you could expand on the opportunity you mentioned on servicing your customer’s equipment – where are we in that process, is it going to take any kind of short-term investment on your behalf too? Whether it be in technicians or garage space or what have you – and how prevalent is that practice at this point?

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Yes, Yuri. It doesn’t require any new investment. So I’d actually like to hand the question over to Joe Lambert, our COO. He is the kind of mastermind behind this strategy. So I’d let him explain it to you.

Joe Lambert

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Your line is open

Yes. Excuse me, Yuri we’re using our existing facilities in workforce, this is a trial basis, it’s adding a few people. We tore declined through our facilities and processes. They’re impressed with what we did and we’ve got some track brands in under garage that they’re coming in on trial basis. Hoping to look at doing some rebuilts maybe later in the year, so we’ll – I’d say stay tuned we’ll see how it goes. And we’ll certainly keep you guys informed on the quarters.

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

But it’s important to know, we have plenty of spare capacity to do this type of work in our existing workshop. So we’re excited about it.

Yuri Lynk

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Your line is open

Okay. Is it mostly rebuild type activity that you’d be doing or would it be kind of a more recurring maintenance in terms of oil and stuff like that that would happen more regularly?

Joe Lambert

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Your line is open

Look the under garage work we’re talking about that we’re doing on the trial right now – is more of a consumable it – the wired side of a track piece of equipment. In oil sands, it’s high rare area. And so this is really almost a consumable for that piece of equipment. Not like rebuilding for a second line so that but we are looking at the major component replacement cycles on equipment and opportunities to extend life. We’ve done some with our own equipment and extending lives of some of our bigger gear and we’ve shown that some of our clients and we believe it’s going to be of interest to them going forward.

Yuri Lynk

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Your line is open

Okay. It’s helpful. Last question from me and I’ll jump back in the queue. Where are you Martin, what would you just say you are in terms of the M&A search, are there a number of interesting opportunities out there or you’re just in the early stage or do you have some prospects lined up just any color on if we might look at the transaction this year?

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Yuri, but as a mentioned, our multiple is low and the targets are high. So if that narrow extend we’ll be more interested. But I’m scrutinizing the market almost on a daily basis and there are several companies out there subject to evaluation that would be interest to us. So kind of watch this space this year I think.

Yuri Lynk

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Your line is open

Okay. That’s my two, I’ll turn it over. Thanks.

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Thanks, Yuri.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Ben Cherniavsky of Raymond James. Your line is open.

Ben Cherniavsky

Analyst · Ben Cherniavsky of Raymond James. Your line is open

Good morning, Martin.

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Good morning, Ben.

Ben Cherniavsky

Analyst · Ben Cherniavsky of Raymond James. Your line is open

I’m just – I’m detecting that there’s a change in the way you are perceiving the outlook your commentary about what’s in store this year was very helpful. But when I listen to that and when I read the MD&A and compare it to commentary in the last few quarters, unless I’m mistaken it sounds like you’re significantly more optimistic. And I’m just wondering what in particular if there was anything in particular that’s changed in the last two or three months that you’ve seen in the market. Is it just affirming the oil price or what else is happening out there that’s giving you this kind of confidence?

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

It’s not only the last couple of months. It’s really since the start of the downturn at the end of 2014 Ben. I mentioned, Ben, our stock was trading kind of in the 9’s near 10. And yet the outlook was nowhere near where it is today. At that point we didn’t have any opportunities on other resources, because they were all in the doldrums too. We were in infrastructure projects, our customers were producing far less, our competitors were stronger. So almost every feature of our operating environment has gotten better here and we’ve made ourselves a better performer. So the combination of those two things makes me very, very optimistic about what we can achieve here.

Ben Cherniavsky

Analyst · Ben Cherniavsky of Raymond James. Your line is open

So, it’s single – there’s been no silver bullet that sort of switched the light on for you guys, just a bunch of stars that are better alignment now?

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Well, I think it’s a whole borrowing full of sliver bullets.

Ben Cherniavsky

Analyst · Ben Cherniavsky of Raymond James. Your line is open

Okay. And then just on the fleet. Can you give a rough idea of what the utilization rate is right now and where it’s come from? And then maybe what equipment values are like for your fleet. If the market has firmed, is there any impact on what might be worth in your market?

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Yes. Right now as of today, we’re going through a very warm spell in McMurray. Unfortunately it’s unseasonably warm this week, so our utilization isn’t fantastic. But as soon as it gets cold again, hopefully by the end of the week, will be 100% utilized on all of our big trucks and excavators, shovels. So the top end of our fleets is flat out busy subject to weather. We picked up some additional trucks from our competitor at very favorable terms. So we got them also working. So we were flat out at the heavy ends and we expect that to continue until spring break up. Then we’ll continue with some other big trucks until the overburden contract we won, that’s finished, but that might be in Q3, in early Q4. So we will rely then on the construction season kicking off kind of in the May-June timeframe and that will put the lighter end of our fleets back to work as normal. So heavy end very busy right now, light end quiet, but that’s just a seasonal norm.

Ben Cherniavsky

Analyst · Ben Cherniavsky of Raymond James. Your line is open

So what’s the light end of the fleet like, and utilization right now?

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

It’s pretty quiet, there’s not much construction activity going on, and never is, at this time of year, right. So seasonally, it’s the heavy equipment in the winter and light equipment in the summer.

Ben Cherniavsky

Analyst · Ben Cherniavsky of Raymond James. Your line is open

Okay. Well, I’m just trying to get a sense of what – like I understand that there is seasonality, but what underlying in the market, given that the outlook change in your results are improving. How does the needle moved on utilization rates? And for that matter, if you’re going to close to 100%, are you going to be out looking for more equipment to purchase around?

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

I will address the last part first. As I say, we picked up seven trucks which was a meaningful addition to our fleet at good prices, here at the start of January from a competitor, so we’ve made that adjustment. On the late end of the year fleets, this time last year we had hardly any bids, hardly any opportunity. Utilization during the summer was quiet, because customers preferred a total activity. Today we’ve got a lot of bids in-house very early and we’re expecting our customers to catch up on construction work just as they’ve done on earthworks, to put our light fleet back to work in the May-June timeframe. So that’s the real change, our expectation for high utilization of a light fleet is much higher than it was this time last year

Ben Cherniavsky

Analyst · Ben Cherniavsky of Raymond James. Your line is open

And would that be indicative of the market up there in general? I mean, are you – back to the other part of the question as your business moved – change in fleet valuations or equipment prices in your market. I’m trying to get a sense of how you guys, your situation may differ from the market as a whole. Equipment is generally getting tighter to have implications for your ability to grow the business and things like that. So if you can just shed some light on those thoughts.

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Presently, our fleet capacity is fine, the opportunities that we foresee. We’re looking at cheap ways to add to that should we need to do so…

Ben Cherniavsky

Analyst · Ben Cherniavsky of Raymond James. Your line is open

Is there still equipment out there for you if you want to add?

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Yes. Yes.

Ben Cherniavsky

Analyst · Ben Cherniavsky of Raymond James. Your line is open

I mean there’s still ample amount of idle capacity.

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

I wouldn’t say ample, not within the oil sands anyway, but possibly outside there would be opportunities. We actually picked up a shovel from Nevada, a very large EX5500 shovel at a great price last year. So we’re looking at auctions all around the U.S. and Canada and where we see real value we’re jumping in and buying these pieces at pennies on the dollar. So that’s how – go ahead.

Ben Cherniavsky

Analyst · Ben Cherniavsky of Raymond James. Your line is open

So your opportunities still exist.

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Yes.

Ben Cherniavsky

Analyst · Ben Cherniavsky of Raymond James. Your line is open

That when you look outside the oil sands there are still lots of used equipment that you guys can purchase to be opportunistic.

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

I wouldn’t say lots; I would say opportunistically we’re finding stuff.

Ben Cherniavsky

Analyst · Ben Cherniavsky of Raymond James. Your line is open

But not as much as was available a year or two ago.

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Correct.

Ben Cherniavsky

Analyst · Ben Cherniavsky of Raymond James. Your line is open

Okay. That’s what I was looking for. Thanks very much.

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Sorry. It was simply long-winded in my answers.

Ben Cherniavsky

Analyst · Ben Cherniavsky of Raymond James. Your line is open

No, it’s okay. It’s all good. It helps. I just wanted to make sure I understood the market dynamics as a whole. So that’s helpful. Thanks.

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Bert Powell of BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Bert Powell

Analyst · Bert Powell of BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open

Good morning everybody. Martin, just a question on M&A, would you be – are you more focused on oil sands or would you be looking more into increasing the infrastructure exposure side of things?

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

I would say both of those. I think there’s opportunities to address both. We still see the oil sands as a great core business for us, but it’s cyclical. So if there’s any way of addressing that cyclicality by adding a business that has a difference cycle or continued spending, obviously people are excited about potential infrastructure spending both in Canada and in U.S. So if we see an opportunity to address that by our M&A, then we will certainly be looking at it.

Bert Powell

Analyst · Bert Powell of BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open

Okay. Given we got some stability with oil and your activity levels have come back in the oil sands as peepholes, your cost structures are more along – in line with the revenue realities and the prospects for infrastructure spend. Has the window – you’re not closed or closing quickly on M&A, given your expectations, I think it has to be going up.

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

I don’t think so. Some potential targets out there have very strong balance sheet. Banks, they covenant release for lower capital quantities.

Bert Powell

Analyst · Bert Powell of BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open

Yes.

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

And then they’re not very keen now to expand those facilities and give further covenant release. So the well-apt situation still exists and there’s opportunity.

Bert Powell

Analyst · Bert Powell of BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open

Okay, okay, fair enough. And then just your comments on the share buyback and you’ve done a fair bit of that, and your view that stock is still undervalued. Are you at current levels still looking to execute on your normal course to ensure bids in buybacks?

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Yes, of course. Every time we announce one of these things we tend to do it fairly quickly. On this occasion we can’t stop buying until April 1. But as soon as April 1 comes, I think we’ll be in the market and executing as soon as we can.

Bert Powell

Analyst · Bert Powell of BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open

Okay. And then just back to capacity, if capacity has left the industry and there’s only a few survivors left in it, I’m wondering where outside of the kind of the capital side, what about the human capital side. Have you – is there anything that’s tightening up in the labor market that you see in your sense?

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Yes, I certainly say it’s been harder than we expected to man up for our winter work. Unfortunately the fire in Fort McMurray wiped out a lot of the cheap rentals, property rentals that people were using to live in Fort McKay and go to work. So that’s been a factor. Also the dollars continued and we believe the Red Cross is still paying our benefits. So some people are kind of waiting for those payments to conclude before going back to work. That said, we have managed to find people that’s just being less easy than we expected.

Bert Powell

Analyst · Bert Powell of BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open

Okay. And just last question. Just in terms of your last quarter I think Martin, you talked about $5 million CapEx program or equipment efficiencies and I think it was a little bit of a catch-up work that was to be done in this quarter, I think you would call that out it somewhere at $0.5 million or $2 million for the fourth quarter. Just wondering how you progress them both those fronts in the fourth quarter. If there’s anything that’s carry over?

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

No, we allocated that – that amount of capital to the two initiatives you mentioned, the improvement of our fleet for certain types of work and then the catch-up on maintenance.

Bert Powell

Analyst · Bert Powell of BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open

Okay. That’s perfect, thank you.

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Maxim Sytchev from National Bank Financial. Please go ahead.

Maxim Sytchev

Analyst · National Bank Financial. Please go ahead

Hi, good morning, gentlemen.

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Hey, Max.

Maxim Sytchev

Analyst · National Bank Financial. Please go ahead

Lot’s of questions obviously already asked but Martin just wanted to circle back in relation to stock-based comp. Is there any way to hedge it? Have you considered doing this? Just maybe any commentary there please?

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Yes. A large part of our stock-based comp most of the employee based stock-based comp is equity related. And as I mentioned in my commentary, as of today we bought back 2.5 million shares. The trustee for our hedging program if you like I think is probably our second or third largest shareholder right now. So we’ve got enough shares that we bought about $3.50, $3.50 to issue for the next several years. Okay, so that’s a major hedge we put in place. The stock-based comp hit we took in the quarter was related to the cash base, the liability based DSU program, which is really direct to compensation. And we haven’t found an effective way to really hedge that yet. But we’re certainly looking at it, it’s one of Rob Butler’s priorities for the year. So I’m sure he’ll pull it off. So where we can we’re hedging, so on – in terms of impact I think going forward the shares we bought for the trust are really going to help. Right, because we’ll be issuing them but we bought them at a much lower price and hopefully we’ll issue on that. We just got to solve for this DSU plan.

Maxim Sytchev

Analyst · National Bank Financial. Please go ahead

Okay. And that’s helpful. And then the question that I also had is in relation how should we think about the accounts receivables gyrations as that two levels pick up in 2017. Should we expect a bit of a draw or just trying to go back into the free cash flow for 2017?

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Yes. It’s good question. So in Q4 couple of things happened. One, we got busy. So we started to build working capital. Two as part of the kind of concessions that we had to provide to a certain customers, we extended some payment terms. So there was only so much we could give on price. So we did give a little bit in terms of extending the payment terms, so that was a feature. And then on the copper mine we’re on, there customers are good payers, our oil sands customers. So those three things build up receivables in the quarter. But I think you’ll see us go back to a more normal situation as this year progresses.

Maxim Sytchev

Analyst · National Bank Financial. Please go ahead

Okay, that’s excellent. And on the copper mine specifically Martin, do you know if the client to have plans to spend incremental capital on the environmental initiatives that you benefited in 2016 or they’re still looking for capital or approvals just trying to get a bit more color there.

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

No, I think we are hoping to stay on that particular site to do more construction type work as we did in 2016. So, that’s great. We’re bidding another copper mine nearby actually. And hope we get on that one too. So yes, we’re looking at every opportunity like that we can address.

Maxim Sytchev

Analyst · National Bank Financial. Please go ahead

Okay. And the margin profile, I guess is within your comfort level. I would assume right.

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Yes. It’s not a – I have to say it’s not as good as we could potentially in your sense but it is reasonable.

Maxim Sytchev

Analyst · National Bank Financial. Please go ahead

Right. And then actually do you mind maybe just commenting on the margin profile. Because I mean it’s been obviously beyond impressive in 2016. Just sort of the buckets construction typically is slightly low margin and that business is coming back to life. Is that how you’re thinking about 2017 just in terms of the puts and takes?

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Yes, it’s true. I have said many times that we counted in the same margin on a person as we count on a heavy piece of equipment. So I’ll say, our light fleets and light intensity increases hopefully this summer the margin on that particular type of work will be lower. But we’ve made some improvements there also that we’re going to be put into place in this current year. So I wouldn’t expect a major impact on our overall margin. They might bring it down a point or two but it’s nothing dramatic.

Maxim Sytchev

Analyst · National Bank Financial. Please go ahead

Okay, excellent. That’s it for me. Thank you very much.

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Thank you, Max.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Glenn Primack [ph] from Promus Holdings [ph]. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi, good morning. I was wondering when you were able to pick up the equipment during the downturn at really good prices on your balance sheet. Did you put it on the balance sheet at really good prices or just step it up to market type price.

Rob Butler

Management

It’s Rob. No, whatever we paid for it is what it ended up on our balance sheet out.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, so your book values understated then? Right.

Rob Butler

Management

Yes, we are realizing that benefit that to lower costs as we depreciate.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, so like I understand why Martin says the stock is cheap based on where you’re buying stuff. And then where you see your businesses improved because you can address more areas and you’re live where it seems like some competitors have been seriously weakened? How about when you look at that 2017 through 2019 project based or what gets you excited? Do you put anything in there for the Canadian government wanting to export crude or would you be able to address any of that opportunity if they’re really going to build out pipeline to the – what BC or something?

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

No. We’re no longer in the pipeline construction business. So the benefit of that initiative would be indirect and that it would make deal signs a better oil field in terms of being able to export oil. So none of that is really factored into our expectations, it just adds to our optimism.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, so that would add more value to what you’re doing at the mine level?

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Absolutely.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, and then those companies at mine level it seems like you talked about how they were able to reduce your operating cost. Years back like I used to use like $60, $65 would be the price that where you had economics down new mine. Do you think that has come down at all or you think that’s still a decent number to use or because I don’t know – I think they’re spending today. I don’t know they probably got it down to like sub $50?

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Yes. I think the numbers come down. But I’m not expecting to see any new mines until the price increases.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Sure.

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

But I’ve said though that the production levels on existing mines have increased dramatically. One mine that’s going from 110,000 barrels in 2014 to 2020 it’s now – that’s double.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes.

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Which is kind of like common – it’s like plumbing an extra mine, isn’t it.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

It is.

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Except that we’re in the same place. And look like we can address that extra activity.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. And then SAGD, a really good base business to have, as they branch off into other things.

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Well, absolutely. This core is strong. I’m very confident about it and it gives me then the optimism to look at some diversification.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Well you’ve done a hell of a job out there and it’s been fun on the stock. That’s it for me.

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Yuri Lynk from Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.

Yuri Lynk

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead

Yes. Just a housekeeping question. Martin or maybe David wants to take it. Can you give me some details on the $1.4 million in other income? And if that was included in the adjusted EBITDA number or not?

Rob Butler

Management

It’s Rob. Yes, the $1.4 million is part of our consolidated EBITDA results. It was the sale of other current assets that we had on hand that we were able to find a buyer for during that period. And it’s something we will do from time to time as the opportunity arises.

Yuri Lynk

Analyst · Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead

Okay, thanks.

Rob Butler

Management

Okay.

Operator

Operator

And we have no other questions in queue at this time.

Martin Ferron

President and CEO

Well, that’s it for now. Thanks for everybody’s attention and great questions today. Thanks very much. So we will catch you next time. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This concludes the North American Energy Partners conference call. You may now disconnect.