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Q3 2020 Earnings Call· Sun, Nov 8, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the NN Third Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Mark Schuermann. Please go ahead, sir.

Mark Schuermann

Management

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us. I'm Mark Schuermann, Vice President Treasurer and Investor Relations. I'd like to thank you for attending today's business update. Our presenters this morning will be President and Chief Executive Officer, Warren Veltman; and Tom DeByle Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. If anyone needs a copy of the press release or the supplemental presentation, please contact, Abernathy McGregor at 212-371-5999. Before we begin, I ask that you take note of the cautionary language regarding forward-looking statements contained in today's press release, supplemental presentation, and in the Risk Factors section in the company's annual report on Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended December 31, 2019 and when filed the company's quarterly report on Form 10-Q for the three quarters ended September 30, 2020. The same language applies to comments made on today's conference call, including the Q&A session as well as the live webcast. Our presentation today will contain forward-looking statements, regarding, sales, margins, foreign exchange rates, cash flow, tax rates, acquisitions, synergies, cash and cost savings, future operating results, performance of our worldwide markets, the impact of the coronavirus pandemic on the company's financial condition and other topics. These statements should be used with caution and are subject to various risks and uncertainties, many of which are outside the company's control. The presentation also includes certain non-GAAP measures as defined by SEC rules. A reconciliation of such non-GAAP measures is contained in the tables in the final section of the press release and the supplemental presentation. At this time, I will turn the call over to Warren Veltman, President and CEO.

Warren Veltman

Management

Thanks, Mark, and good morning, everyone. As everyone is likely aware, October 6, 2020 our strategic initiative process concluded with the sale of our Life Sciences Group for $825 million, consisting of $755 million in cash, and a $70 million earn-out based on 2022 performance. Our third quarter public filings for the quarter will reflect some significant changes as a result of this sale, including treating our Life Sciences Group as a discontinued operation, including all Life Sciences assets as current assets held for sale and reporting the October debt pay down to our lenders as current maturities of long-term debt. The closure of the Life Sciences sale is more significant than the reporting changes in our Form 10-Q filing, as it represents a major transformation of NN's capital structure. And substantially reduces our risk profile providing us a solid foundation from which to grow the business. This substantial reduction in leverage also enhances our reputation as a stable long-term supplier, and provides a more secure income stream for our employees. Prior to the sale, we had an unsustainable capital structure, where NN was leveraged at over 6 times EBITDA, management had assessed that the company had substantial doubt regarding its ability to continue as a going concern and we had to seek covenant relief from our lenders. Subsequent to this sale, we now have a more manageable capital structure with leverage below 2 times EBITDA. We no longer consider NN as a going concern. And we are in compliance with the financial covenants in our credit agreement. Additionally, the company has adequate liquidity of approximately $75 million at the end of October, including $28.5 million of Cash Holdings and the ability to borrow on an untapped revolving credit facility. Standard & Poor's has recognized this improvement by upgrading our…

Tom DeByle

Management

Thanks, Warren. Please turn to slide 7, which includes our third quarter results on a GAAP, non-GAAP excluding special items and a total adjusted non-GAAP basis. Despite sales shortfall, gross profit as a percent of sales was better in the -- better than the prior year on a GAAP, non-GAAP excluding special items and total adjusted non-GAAP basis. The improvements were driven by indirect labor reductions, cost controls and manufacturing efficiencies. Operating income on a GAAP basis showed a 20 basis point improvement over prior year. However, on a non-GAAP excluding special items and a total adjusted non-GAAP basis, showed a decrease of 80 basis points and 170 basis points respectively. EBITDA for the quarter was double-digits on a reported non-GAAP excluding special items and a total adjusted non-GAAP basis. Comparing to prior year, EBITDA on a reported basis was $11.4 million or 10% of sales versus $9.1 million or 7.6% in the prior year. EBITDA excluding special items was $11.8 million or 10.4% of sales versus $10.7 million or 8.9% in the prior year. EBITDA on a total adjusted non-GAAP basis was $14.7 million or 12.9% of sales versus $15.9 million or 13.2% in the prior year. Let's go to slide 8, which provides a detailed bridge of our reported GAAP, non GAAP excluding special items and total adjusted non-GAAP. The main takeaway on this slide is that our adjustments from our reported GAAP to the total adjusted non-GAAP are coming down. We have been working hard on eliminating these expenses. Let's look into more detail and focus our attention on the upper portion of the bridge. There were two tax-affected special items in Q3 2020. Severance accounted for $0.3 million and write-off of debt issuance costs was $0.1 million. The discrete tax items for the third quarter of…

Warren Veltman

Management

Thanks, Tom. We have presented additional information for each of our operating groups, starting with the Mobile Solutions group on page 14. Sales for the Mobile Solutions group were off 3.7% a year ago. Our North American and Europe operations all continued to be hampered by COVID and reported sales of 86% to 93% of the prior year totals. South American sales were 112% of last year's sales in local currency, but only 82% in U.S. dollars, due to the weakness of the Brazilian currency. Those sales reductions were partially offset by sales from our China operations, which were up 128% from a year ago and which were largely unaffected by COVID during the third quarter. We saw margin improvement across the board in the third quarter. GAAP operating profit increased to 7% of sales, up 240 basis points from a year ago. And reported EBITDA was 18.6% of sales, an increase of 440 basis points from 2019 third quarter. This margin improvement is due to improved variable margins, due to operating efficiencies and fixed and selling, general and administrative cost reductions and is in spite of the inclusion of a $1.4 million customer litigation settlement that improved last year's results. We expect to see some stability in production volumes in the fourth quarter, with sales reducing approximately 5% from Q3 due to the seasonality associated with the November and December holidays. Our fourth quarter focus in Mobile Solutions will be on CapEx containment, working capital management and operating efficiency. Moving on to Power Solutions on page 15. Sales for the Power Solutions Group were off 8.5% and the lost variable margin from reduced sales contributed to lower operating profit and EBITDA from a year ago. Operating profit margin dropped 440 basis points and reported EBITDA as a percentage of…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And we'll take our first question from Daniel Moore with CJS Securities.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Good morning.

Tom DeByle

Management

Good morning, Dan.

Warren Veltman

Management

Good morning.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Congratulations on obviously the completing sale of Life Sciences. I'm going to ask more than one or two questions, because I think it's really important to level set kind of where we stand today. First and foremost, Mobile Solutions and Power Solutions, just to clarify, for Q4 Mobile Solutions you said revenue up about 5% sequentially and Power Solutions down about 5% year-over-year. Did I hear that right?

Warren Veltman

Management

I don't know if I said sequentially. I said that the Mobile Solutions business was down year-over-year. And it was up sequentially that is correct.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

That's for Q4. I'm just looking at the outlook, I'm sorry?

Warren Veltman

Management

For Q4, for Q4.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

I want to make sure I heard the commentary correctly.

Warren Veltman

Management

Sure. What I said was that, we expect the fourth quarter for mobile solutions actually to be down from Q3 about 5%.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Okay, okay. Got it. Because of the seasonality.

Warren Veltman

Management

Because of seasonality. Yes.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

And Power Solutions in the slide deck about 95% of prior year, so down about 5% year-over-year. Is that right?

Warren Veltman

Management

Yes, pretty -- yes, yes.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Got it. Okay. And Mobile Solutions in the quarter for Q3 turning backward jumped 70% sequentially, nearly flat year-over-year. Any sense for how much of that jump might have been filling depleted inventories? Or do you think that's relatively consistent with end market demand?

Warren Veltman

Management

We think there is some inventory still going on right now. If you look at the number of days of inventory in North America, it's lower than the OEMs typically would like. So, given what we came out of in the second quarter Dan, it's hard to determine, whether it's filling demand or inventory. But at this point in time, given where the inventory levels are, our expectations at least what we're seeing in the fourth quarter is that, it remains pretty stable as they try and put some of those inventory days back in place.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Perfect. Okay. And can you give us a sense -- just remind us, auto in general, either as it relates to Mobile Solutions or total revenue. What's auto as a percentage of pro forma revenue now that we've divested Life Sciences? And what's the breakdown of traditional combustion versus EV HEV?

Warren Veltman

Management

The overall auto business, I believe is in the neighborhood of 50% to 55% in that neighborhood of now the go-forward business. And as it relates to how much of that, as you know the full electric side of the business today is not overly significant. So, the bulk of the business that we have today still is in the I2 [ph] area. Certainly, as it relates to hybrids, 20% of our -- 25% of our auto business is Electric Power Assisted Steering. So, we're across the board in that area. So areas where we don't believe are going to be adversely impacted by the shift to hybrid or battery electric vehicles, we could be across all platforms. Right.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Got it. Yes. Okay. And in Power Solutions, maybe just a general breakdown of revenue between electrical aerospace and other, and are you seeing any green shoots for electrical in particular?

Warren Veltman

Management

Are we seeing any what?

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Green shoots, just signs of more significant to recovery if you will?

Warren Veltman

Management

Yes. I mean, as we look at the Power Solutions business, we've done a lot of market research on that over the last several months. And when we look at the compounded annual growth rate for that business with a shift to smart meters and smart grids and microgrids, we see a significant amount of upside there. The same with our aerospace and defense. I would tell you aerospace and defense today, is probably 5% or 6% of our business. But we've positioned that business to be a much bigger piece of our business. Going forward, we see some significant growth there. The medical business that I talked about is another 5% or 6% of our overall business today, and we have opportunity there as well. The rest is, as we've talked about is primarily electrical components either for the general -- either for the electric space, the automotive space or the general industrial space.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Perfect. And then one more for me and I'll pass it off. But in the press release, you stated, you're now intensely focused on streamlining cost structure to align with the current environment. Now that we've divested Life Sciences, can you elaborate on that? Are there specific projects or cost reduction initiatives you have in mind be it in corporate or within the segments? And will you be able to maybe quantify those at some point?

Warren Veltman

Management

Sure. I would tell you internally, what we've targeted, there's opportunities across the board for us, as we look at our over selling general and administrative expenses. And we've targeted over the next let's just call it six months to take another $4.5 million to $5 million of overhead structure out of our business. And when you look at the Mobile and the Power Groups together, although those management teams, we have separate management teams for those businesses, we have over the last nine months started to consolidate certain operations where we felt -- and I shouldn't say operations, but functions, where we felt that there were opportunities from a synergy standpoint to take costs out of the business. We have been doing that and we will continue to look for those opportunities going forward. And I would tell you, the last area that we're focused on from a potential efficiency and cost reduction standpoint is in the IT area. Our IT group has done some really positive things over the last six months. As it relates to restructuring, our IT infrastructure, allowing us to get information more effectively and efficiently out of some of the systems especially on the Power Solutions side. And that's an area, where we think that we can add additional efficiency going forward as well.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

All right. That’s great. I will pass it off, maybe jump back with a follow-up or two. Thank you so much for the color.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Next we'll go to Steve Barger with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Ken Newman

Analyst

Hi, good morning guys. It's Ken Newman on for Steve. Thanks for the questions.

Warren Veltman

Management

Hi, Ken.

Ken Newman

Analyst

So first, I wanted to jump back to the Mobile volumes that are coming back. I'm curious, are you seeing your customers come to you with new programs to quote? Or do you think that's going to be on hold for a while?

Warren Veltman

Management

I think on the mobile side, we are quoting new programs. They're not typically programs right now that would impact what's going on in the fourth quarter for that matter in the first half of next year. Typically, the line of sight for the OEMs and the Tier 1s is a little bit longer-term than that. But there is some of that definitely going on. Pulled back a little bit. I think, everybody right now is focused on maintaining production. There's still some disruptions that happen. We are constantly -- not constantly, but periodically having positive cases of COVID in the plant that require areas to be shut down and disinfected. And I know that the OEMs are going through some of that same sort of -- those same types of issues. So, I think the focus is on ongoing production right now and reinstituting some of the inventory levels.

Ken Newman

Analyst

Right. So, when I think about that and you start to look at these new quotes, can you just talk about the gating process for the types of products and contracts that you'll accept?

Warren Veltman

Management

Sure. I mean, as we look at the strategy that we're employing on a long-term basis, our focus especially if capital is going to be required will be on applications that we feel have a strong probability of transitioning to a hybrid vehicle or a full electric vehicle. There are some fuel systems -- certainly there are some fuel systems programs being quoted. We look at those. We still think that the internal combustion engine has a pretty long lifespan. Again have done a lot of work and analysis on that. But when you look at the engine development that the OEMs are doing through 2025 and the number of new engines that they're launching through that period of time there's a substantial decrease from what we've seen historically. But when you look at the production of fuel injectors at least the forecast that we're working with that are independently done through the end of 2026-2027 there isn't a significant falloff in volume for those types of applications. But as it relates to our focus, our focus is on diversification from a long-term strategy standpoint into areas that will bridge as I indicated to hybrids or provide us additional entry when you look at batteries and connectors in the hybrid and the full electric vehicle. We've seen some vehicles that have over 72 to 75 different connection points within the vehicle that we feel afford us a pretty good opportunity to expand our offering on the power side within some customers frankly that span both the Mobile and the Power groups.

Ken Newman

Analyst

That's really good color. So as I look at your forward outlook for potential growth opportunities and marry that with the margin you put up for Mobile this quarter. Is it reasonable to think that single low double-digit margin is kind of a sustainable run rate going forward?

Warren Veltman

Management

Yeah. I mean we put guidance out there then on an overall basis, we're working towards the 16% to 18% EBITDA margin by 2025. And certainly when you look at the margins that we generated in the Mobile Group, in the third quarter that's a function of sales coming back reasonably consistently during the quarter, but also it's a function of how the business has been leaned out by that operating team over the last eight to 10 months. They've done an excellent job on that. So we're probably -- the quarterly results were probably a little bit better than what we were expecting frankly. And we'll put a little pressure on that team to continue to perform at that level going forward.

Ken Newman

Analyst

Right. One more for me and then I'll jump back in line. For Power Solutions, you talked a little bit about the end markets there, but I am curious if you could give us the split between res and non-res construction? And I would be curious to hear what your customers are saying about non-res for 2021?

Warren Veltman

Management

Yeah. I think that from a residential standpoint that's a pretty competitive environment. Most of the -- I think more of the product that we manufacture is in the smart grid with the utilities and with general industrial that type of thing as opposed to residential. And as we look into the future, we still see some significant growth opportunities there. Some of the rates that we're looking at are in the -- in large buckets into the 5% to 9% range that we're going to go after pretty aggressively.

Ken Newman

Analyst

Understood. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And next we'll go to Daniel Moore with CJS Securities.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Thank you. You talked about the cost savings initiatives. Just maybe confirm a good run rate for corporate expense and SG&A as we think about Q4 and beyond look prior to those cost saves?

Tom DeByle

Management

So prior to those cost saves…

Warren Veltman

Management

Go ahead.

Tom DeByle

Management

So for Q4, we're going to continue about the same run rate as we have in the third quarter for corporate. And in the coming quarters we are looking at -- because this business was really positioned for being $1 billion $1.5 billion structure. And so we're going to be taking some costs out to right size it to this new remaining company of about $500 million growing to $600 million.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Got it. And then -- go ahead sorry.

Tom DeByle

Management

So Warren did you have other comments on that?

Warren Veltman

Management

No that's fine. I'm good.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Okay, perfect. And then any early indications of CapEx for 2021? Or will it be more platform and opportunity dependent?

Tom DeByle

Management

Well, right now we're forecasting about $22 million in capital spending, which let's say $9 million to $10 million is maintenance and the rest is growth that's already been committed prior to that. So that's what we're looking at right now.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Got it. And just to clarify one more. At this stage, our strategic alternatives generally off the table. I know we're focused on operations barring someone coming to you, is it a sale of the rest of their company not your area of focus at this stage just wanted to kind of confirm where we are from a big picture perspective?

Warren Veltman

Management

Yeah. I think the way you summarize it is accurate. We're going forward at this point in time, running the businesses looking forward to doing that. As we had indicated previously we still have some things that we need to look at and to accomplish with our capital structure. We have a preferred stock that's outstanding that we'd like to address in some way here. In addition, our current credit facility including the revolver and the remaining portion of the Term Loan B come to do in October of 2022. So that's another issue that we'd like to address as well. And those will be things that we'll be looking at over the next six months.

Daniel Moore

Analyst

Very good. Look forward to seeing progress. Thanks again for the color.

Warren Veltman

Management

You bet.

Operator

Operator

And next we will go to Steve Barger with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

Steve Barger

Analyst

Hey, thanks for the follow-up. Just one quick modeling question. Curious if you could just talk about expectations for quarterly interest expense since, you did sell LS in October? And how we should be thinking about, reductions in interest expense in 2021?

Tom DeByle

Management

So interest expense, we're modeling in at about $4 million a quarter. So it will be about $16 million a year. That's what we're modeling in. We do have a swap, that's costing us about $1.3 million this quarter each month, going until December. And then it drops down to about $900,000 next year. But we're just looking at the entire capital structure right now.

Steve Barger

Analyst

Right. And then, should we think that, free cash flow will be positive in fourth quarter? And just any evolving thoughts around, the capital structure and around the preferred as well would be great?

Tom DeByle

Management

Well, from a cash flow standpoint, obviously we're going to see improvement with this lower interest expense. Right now we're not giving guidance on our cash flow, at this time. So we're just going to monitor the current environment. We're moving forward. I think, we'll be improving our cash flow. But I'm not going to commit, that we'll be positive in our Q4.

Steve Barger

Analyst

Got it. And then, as you think about opportunities for the preferred and the forward capital structure, any further commentary there?

Tom DeByle

Management

We are going to be addressing our capital structure. As Warren kind of mentioned, let's say, before March of 2021 let's say, because then there's an acceleration on the preferred up by $5 million. So, we want to try to do it within the next -- by March 2021, but there's no urgency right now. Or, really even after March 2021 we can, still push the ball down the road, because we're in a pretty good financial position.

Warren Veltman

Management

Yeah. I think that's -- Tom, that's a good point. That's a great takeaway. When you look at our leverage at 1.9, and obviously that's without the preferred, we feel really good about where we're at. And that provides us a tremendous amount frankly, of flexibility, in an uncertain time. So we'd like to see, how this COVID thing develops with the uptick in cases here over the last month. We want to make sure that, whatever we do from a structure standpoint it provides us flexibility, on the cash side, going forward, in case there is a resurgence of COVID that in some way is disruptive to our volumes and our ability to generate cash. I think we're reasonably confident, that if volumes on the auto side and the power side stay relatively consistent with what we've seen here in the third quarter, that we're going to be in a position, to be positive free cash flow, on a go-forward basis. That's how we're setting the company up. That's how we expect it to perform.

Steve Barger

Analyst

Very helpful. Thanks guys.

Warren Veltman

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And that does conclude today's, question-and-answer session. I'll now turn the call back over to, Warren Veltman, for any additional or closing remarks.

Warren Veltman

Management

Well, thank you, operator. I'd like to thank everybody for participating in the call. As I said in my comments, we're very excited about the direction of the company. I think the management team is fully engaged with providing, with the thought and the actions necessary to provide return to our shareholders. And we're excited to get to work in doing that. And once again, I appreciate everybody for their time. And I hope that everybody stays, healthy and safe. And have a good day. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And that does conclude today's conference. We thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.