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OP
Operator
Operator
Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by for NIO Incorporated’s Third Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. Today’s conference call is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to your host, Ms. Jade Wei, Associate Vice President of Investor Relations of the company. Please go ahead, Jade.
JW
Jade Wei
Management
Thank you, Edison. Good evening and good morning, everyone. Welcome to NIO’s third quarter 2019 earnings conference call. The company’s financial and operating results were published in the press release earlier today and are posted on the company’s IR website. On today’s call, we have Mr. William Li, founder, chairman of the board, and chief executive officer; Mr. Steven Feng, Chief Financial Officer; and Mr. Stanley Qu, VP of Finance. Before we continue, please kindly be reminded that today’s discussion will contain forward-looking statements made under the Safe Harbor provisions of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements involve inherent risks and uncertainties. As such, the company’s actual results may be materially different from the views expressed today. Further information regarding risks and uncertainties is included in certain filings of the company with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. The company does not assume any obligation to update any forward-looking statements except as required under applicable law. Please also note that NIO’s earnings press release and this conference call include discussions of unaudited GAAP financial information, as well as unaudited non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to NIO’s press release, which contains a reconciliation of the unaudited non-GAAP measures to comparable GAAP measures. With that, I will now turn the call over to our CEO, William. William, please go ahead.
WL
William Li
Management
[Foreign Language] [Interpreted] Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining our call today. In the third quarter 2019, we delivered a total of 4,799 ES8 and ES6 vehicles, increasing 35% from the second quarter and exceeding the top-end of our guidance range by 9%. We delivered 5,054 vehicles in October and November. We estimate that the total delivery of Q4 will reach over 8,000. The auto industry is still experiencing substantial softness and the EV sector, particularly dropped over 35% year-on-year in sales in the second-half of 2019 after the EV subsidies were reduced significantly. Nevertheless, our order backlog growth has accelerated since September and this strength in order flow continued in the fourth quarter. The growth has been underpinned by three key factors: strong competitiveness of our ES6, in its quality, performance and pricing; strong support from our user community; and our sales network expansion through the efficient NIO Spaces. I will discuss these three factors separately next. In August, NIO ranked the highest in new vehicle quality among all brands in JD Power’s 2019 New Energy Vehicle Experience Index Study. In December, our ES6 was selected by the most respected industry experts in the Chinese automotive industry to receive the Xuanyuan Award as Car of the Year for its achievements in innovation, mobility and industry contribution, which demonstrates the strong recognition of our brand, quality and performance by users and industry. We would not have achieved our strong sales results without the support from our passionate user community. Our vision has always been to shape a joyful lifestyle by offering premium smart electric vehicles with the best user experience. Since inception, we have been working diligently to build a vibrant user enterprise. NIO’s user community is thriving and growing. We now have users in 296 cities across China…
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Steven Feng
Management
Thank you, William. I will now go over some of our financial results for Q3 2019. To be mindful of the length of this call, I will address financial highlights here and encourage listeners to refer to our earnings press release, which is posted online for additional details. Our total revenues in Q3 2019 were RMB1.8 billion, representing an increase of 21.8% from Q2 2019. Our total revenues are made of two parts; vehicle sales and other sales. Vehicle sales in this quarter were RMB1.7 billion, representing an increase of 22.5% from Q2 2019. The increase in vehicle sales over last quarter was mainly due to the increase in ES6 sales volume, resulting from the expansion of our sales network, as we continued adding NIO Spaces and the increased referral rate by our existing users. Other sales in this quarter were RMB103.4 million, representing an increase of 9.9% from last quarter. The increase in other sales was mainly attributed to the sales increase in charging piles, which was in line with improvement of vehicle sales. Cost of sales in this quarter was RMB2.1 billion, representing an increase of 2.3% from last quarter. The increase in cost of sales was mainly due to the increase of sales and offset by the inclusion in Q2 accrued recall costs in relation to the company’s voluntary recall of 4,803 new vehicles announced on June 27, 2019. Gross margin in this quarter was negative 12.1%, compared with negative 33.4% in last quarter. More specifically, vehicle margin in this quarter was negative 6.8%, compared with negative 24.1% in last quarter. The improved vehicle margin was mainly due to the recall costs in last quarter as mentioned. R&D expenses in this quarter were RMB1.0 billion, representing a decrease of 21.3% from last quarter and relatively unchanged compared…
OP
Operator
Operator
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. For the benefit of all participants on today’s call, please limit yourself to two questions, and if you have additional questions, please reenter the queue. Your first question is from Bin Wang from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.
BW
Bin Wang
Analyst
[Foreign Language] The first question is about CB issuing? What’s the progress about CB? And do net many go through the number three quarter results, or it’s not? Just go to the number four quarter if it has been completely finished? [Foreign Language] My second question is about sustainability, about SG&A and R&D cost going forward?
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Steven Feng
Management
Okay, thank you. First, I will start with the CB question. As everyone knows, Tencent and William has signed contract with NIO to – for US$200 million on CB. In third quarter, Tencent’s CB has already been closed, so the US100 million from Tencent is already in our Q3 report. And also US$90.5 million were received from William, the rest, US$90.5 million are being processed and the transactions will close soon. Perhaps, as a reminder, the key CB terms, investor could find them with an announcement on September 5th. Let me move on to the second question of Wang Bin’s about the sustainability and our cost controlling efforts. Yes, you are right. We have done a lot of efforts to – for cost savings. We are in the process of analyzing our 2020 budget. We expect the R&D efficiency to significantly improve, and the R&D expenses to be further reduced in 2020. We will share more information in our Q4 earnings call.
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William Li
Management
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BW
Bin Wang
Analyst
[Foreign Language]
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William Li
Management
[Foreign Language] [Interpreted] So in terms of the headcount, starting from this year, we have already initiated many operation measures to make sure we can improve the efficiency. We did some layoffs and restructuring of our organization. At the beginning of this year, we had around 9,900 people. But by the end of this year, we believe we can control the headcount within 7,500. Some of them are now in the legal process. But we believe that by the end of this year, this number should be lower than the 7,500. We think that this is going to be very beneficial for our P&L for the next year. And at the beginning, I have mentioned the lean operation is our focus and this will continue to build a focus in the future. I think it’s not just about the headcount control, it should be more about how we can optimize and improve the overall cost and expenses efficiency. So this can help us to improve the overall organization efficiency. Thank you, Wang Bin.
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Operator
Operator
Your next question is from Tim Hsiao from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
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Tim Hsiao
Analyst
Hi. Thanks for taking time to host a call. Just a quick question from my side. The first question is about the sales for next year? I know the third quarter is out, but now we are at the end of 2019. So I just want to get your thoughts about the volumes use for next, because our ES6 just registered solid sales since early this year because of the competitive spec and successful China strategy. But for next year, what will drive the freedom of other upside, because I think the competition in the market was getting more intensive. And in the meantime, I think we’re going to launch EC9 – EC6. I think the model electric coupe, in general, will be smaller than that of four-door SUV, and our ES8, despite the recent upgrade, I think the market is relatively niche. My second question is about the channel strategy, because you just shared our evolving target for NIO Store and NIO Space by end of this year. So if there is any target for our channels, the expansion for 2020? And what would be more reasonable headcount to support a kind of a sales network? [Foreign Language]
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William Li
Management
[Foreign Language] [Interpreted] I would like to take your questions. Starting from September, although the market is still quite challenging and soft, but our order backlog for the ES8 and ES6 has been ramping up. In the past two months, the production orders every day can reach over 100, and this trend has been increasing. If you read the news, you can see that we have already sold all the show cars. So we believe this momentum is going to continue in the future. Overall speaking, we believe our product positioning is quite right, although the market is quite dynamic. In the past quarter, we have seen some competitive models, for example, Audi E-tron, Mercedes EQC. They have released their price and they started to sell cars in the China markets. But after the users compare our products together with their products, normally, they will buy our products because our product is more competitive compared with those models. Especially in our specific market segment, that is around RMB300,000 to RMB400,000, that is the segment for the ES6 and ES8. We believe in this midsized premium SUV market, we are quite competitive, because we are ranking at the top 10. This is including the ICE and EV. And we believe in the future, the users will think our ES6 and ES8 are the right choices, if they want to buy a car pricing around RMB300,000 to RMB400,000 range. With our power swap technologies and our superior services, and we can win the word-of-mouth in the market, and the order situation is actually much better than our expectations. We think that these great sales result is because of our product competitiveness and our great service. This can help us to win the reputation in the market. For the next year or so,…
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Operator
Operator
Your next question is from Lei Wang from CICC. Please go ahead.
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Lei Wang
Analyst
Evening, Steven, William and Jade. This is Lei speaking from CICC. Congratulations on Steven’s new role, it’s a really nice move. And the vehicle deliveries in the third quarter, that’s really new record high. William and Steven have actually answered part of my questions and I have two follow-ups. The first one would be that Steven just gave the guidance of 2,000 unit deliveries in the fourth quarter, another high quarter-over-quarter increase. And what’s the exact factors that are viewed that drive the sales up, and are the factors sustainable from the point of view? And would that be possible that you can release backlog order right now? And the second question will be about the per store deliveries, because William just mentioned we have now around 70 NIO Spaces, right? And that will be leaning about 40 vehicles will be sold per store per month in the first quarter. Is this consistent? Does that mean that for 200 NIO Spaces next year, they’ll be able to deliver 8,000 vehicles per month? Thank you. I will translate my question. [Foreign Language]
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William Li
Management
[Foreign Language] [Interpreted] Thanks for your question. At the beginning, I have already mentioned the – starting from the September, the order and the delivery have been witnessing very strong momentum. This is mainly due to three factors. The first one is the competitiveness of our products and the service. The second one is the word-of-mouth under the user referral. The third one is the sales network expansion. Among all these three factors, the product competitiveness is one of the most important factors. As you can see, NIO has already established the premium brands successfully in the mainstream premium market, that is around RMB300,000 to RMB500,000 price range. And you can see that the premium market players have already launched some products. For example, last year, Jaguar launched their I-PACE. And this year, EQC, E-tron. But after they released their product, we can see the price is around the RMB600,000 to RMB700,000. After comparing their products together with our products, normally, the users will think our product is more competitive. That’s why they choose NIO products. I think that there is a very important trend we should pay attention to. Starting from the second quarter of this year, the EV sales has declined because of the subsidy reduction. This happens to those commercial vehicles and the lower-end EVs. But for the Tesla and NIO and other brands focusing on the consumer market, our sales momentum is actually quite good. We believe that the users are quite educated about EVs and ICEs. And for those users, they prefer EVs, that is fine. With it we should have a reasonable share for the mid and large-sized SUV segment, that is around RMB300,000 to RMB400,000 market segments. That segment should have around 1 million unit volumes in terms of the sales. And in…
WL
William Li
Management
Thank you.
OP
Operator
Operator
Your next question is from Fei Fang from Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
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Fei Fang
Analyst
Hi, William, thanks for the opportunity. Your 8,000 volume guidance, how many ES8 do we have for December? And also moving into 2020, how do we think about the normalized run rate for ES8? Second question is on battery price and what’s the outlook? And thirdly, if you can comment on the cash outflow. I’d say, is there a quarterly outflow target that the CEO and the CFO is trying to manage the business towards the RMB2 billion outflow per quarter of RMB3 billion beyond which you will think harder about cutting more costs? Thank you.
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William Li
Management
[Foreign Language] [Interpreted] In the Q4, the sales of the ES8 is estimated to be around 1,300, and for ES6, it should be over 6,700. For the ES8, compared with the third quarter, the sales in the fourth quarter has been picking up, and we are very happy to see that ES8 is retaining momentum in the market. Starting from April next year, we are going to deliver the all-new ES8. And we believe ES8 is going to be well-positioned in the market to win over users.
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Steven Feng
Management
Okay. So thank you for your question. Yes, I think a lot of investors have a very close look at our cash flow. First, of course, we need to take every effort to – for cost savings that our base comp work. But if we move on, I would say, for any automaker, the best way to have a good cash flow is to sell more cars. So although the cash is tight, but thanks to our strong order and delivery momentum. The cash flow from sales is actually very healthy and this is very fundamental for our business. And, of course, if we look at our balance sheet, we will need additional capital until it reaches positive cash flow. We were at the market, as I just said, when we close the financial projects. In the end, I would say, with the coming support from these ongoing financing projects, product sales trend and cost measures, we believe the company will have sustainable development and operations. So in short, first, savings; second, financing; third, very strong sales.
A –Steven Feng: Thank you.
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Fei Fang
Analyst
That’s great. Thank you.
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Operator
Operator
We have our next question from Paul Gong from UBS. Please go ahead.
PG
Paul Gong
Analyst
Yes. Hi. Thanks for taking my question. I have two questions. The first one is, based on the current price environment, what quarterly delivery level do we expect to have positive gross margin on vehicle sales? And my second question is just to double-check, does the balance sheet by end of September already reflected Tencent US$200 million CB in it? Because I compared the balance sheet of Q2 and Q3. I didn’t see really an increase – significant increase of non-current liabilities or long-term borrowings, but the cash level still declines. I just want to double-check at the end of September balance sheet already reflected the issuance of the $200 million CB? [Foreign Language]
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William Li
Management
Thanks for your question. In terms of the gross margin, this has always been our important task for 2020. We need to consider this from three aspects. The first one is, sales and pricing; the second one is about the BOM cost reduction, especially the battery cost; and the next one is about our product portfolio. By focusing on those three aspects, we can take some measures to improve the gross margin. We think for the next year, we should be able to achieve positive gross margin for the whole year. But if you ask about a specific quarter or the specific amount, so we’re not really sure at this moment, because we need to consider this comprehensively regarding the sales and the battery cost reduction, the BOM cost reduction and the efficiency improvement.
WL
William Li
Management
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Steven Feng
Management
Okay. And Paul, to answer your question, in terms of the US$100 million CB from Tencent. If you review our announcement on September 5, actually, it has two tranches. First, US$100 million for 360 days. So it’s a short-term borrowing. So we booked US$50 million in our short-term borrowings. And also, the other US$50 million is a three-year CB. So we booked that US$50 million in our long-term borrowings.
WL
William Li
Management
Yes. Thanks, Paul.
PG
Paul Gong
Analyst
Thanks.
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Unidentified Company Representative
Analyst
Thank you.
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Operator
Operator
We don’t have any other questions as of the moment. Presenters, please continue.
JW
Jade Wei
Management
Okay. So thank you, everyone, for attending our conference call this quarter, and we look forward to seeing you and hearing from you next quarter. And Happy New Year.
WL
William Li
Management
Happy New Year…
SF
Steven Feng
Management
Happy New Year.
WL
William Li
Management
…to everyone. [Foreign Language]
OP
Operator
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude our call for today. Thank you for participating. You may all disconnect.