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National Fuel Gas Company (NFG)

Q3 2019 Earnings Call· Fri, Aug 2, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Suzanne, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Q3 2019 National Fuel Gas Company Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. Mr. Ken Webster, Director of Investor Relations, you may begin your conference.

Kenneth Webster

Analyst

Thank you, Suzanne, and good morning. We appreciate you joining us on today's conference call for a discussion of last evening's earnings release. With us on the call from National Fuel Gas Company are Dave Bauer, President and Chief Executive Officer; Karen Camiolo, Treasurer and Principal Financial Officer; and John McGinnis, President of Seneca Resources. At the end of the prepared remarks, we will open the discussion to questions. The third quarter fiscal 2019 earnings release and August investor presentation have been posted on our Investor Relations website. We may refer to these materials during today's call. We would like to remind you that today's teleconference will contain forward-looking statements. While National Fuel's expectations, beliefs and projections are made in good faith and are believed to have a reasonable basis, actual results may differ materially. These statements speak only as of the date in which they are made, and you may refer to last evening's earnings release for a listing of certain specific risk factors. National Fuel will be participating in the Barclays Energy Conference in September. If you plan on attending, please contact me or the conference planners to schedule a meeting with the management team. With that, I'll turn it over to Dave Bauer.

David Bauer

Analyst

Thanks, Ken. Good morning, everyone. Before we start with the quarter, I'd like to take a minute to recognize Ron Tanski and his outstanding 40-plus year career with the company. National Fuel has a great team, great assets and a great culture, and Ron very much helped guide us to the path we are on today. He's left a lasting impression on the company, and I wish him the very best in the future. I'd also like to welcome Karen Camiolo into her new role. For those of you that haven't met Karen, she previously held the role of Chief Accounting Officer. I've worked with her since I joined National Fuel, and she is a great fit in her new role. The third quarter was generally a good one for National Fuel. In particular, it was another great example of the benefits of our integrated diversified business model. In the face of lower natural gas prices and lower revenues on our Empire Pipeline system, the continued strength in our utility and gathering businesses helped keep earnings in line with last year and consistent with our internal projections. Operationally, things are very much on track. During the quarter, Seneca brought online two new pads, 1 in the WDA, the other in Lycoming County. The wells were all completed on schedule and contributed to Seneca's 12% sequential growth in production. We continued to optimize our operations, increasing our recoverable resources and driving efficiencies that help us maintain our low cost advantage among our peers. At the same time, our gathering team works closely with Seneca to coordinate the buildout of our system, deploying capital on a just-in-time basis to maximize returns. In California, our activity level continues to increase. Following a multi-month drilling program, we recently commenced steaming operations at our Pioneer…

John McGinnis

Analyst

Thanks, Dave, and good morning, everyone. Seneca had a solid quarter with results in line with our expectation. We produced 54.7 net Bcfe during the third quarter, an increase of almost 6 Bcfe or 12% from last quarter. This increase was driven primarily by the addition of 2 pads, a Marcellus pad in the WDA, and a Marcellus pad in Lycoming as well as a full quarter production from 2 pads came online late last quarter. Production guidance for the year remains between 205 to 215 Bcf, around 18% growth year-over-year at the midpoint. Our fourth quarter production will largely be driven by the timing and performance of two new pads, the Utica pad in the WDA, which has just begun the flowback; and the Marcellus pad in Lycoming. For the remainder of the fiscal year, we are in good shape from our pricing perspective with about 40 Bcf or 75% of our expected production at the midpoint locked in physically and financially at a realized price of $2.42. Approximately half of the remaining 13 Bcf is tied to volumes with basis protection and the other half into the spot market. With 26 WDA Utica wells now producing, we continue to be encouraged by our overall results. Once all of these wells have been online for at least 3 months, we will provide an updated type curve and additional insight related to our drill and completion design optimization. And finally, our four new our Utica wells in Tioga County continue to perform at or above expectations. All four wells have now been online for over 4 months. As you can see on Slide 27 in our updated investor presentation, production from these wells has essentially remained flat at an average of 13.8 million per day over this time period. In…

Karen Camiolo

Analyst

Thank you, John, and good morning, everyone. National Fuel's third quarter GAAP earnings were $0.73 per share. Similar to last quarter, we had a few items impacting comparability related to hedging and effectiveness and the marking-to-market of the investments in the nonqualified benefit plan. Excluding those items, our operating results were $0.71 per share. Last evening's release provides a detailed overview of the larger year-over-year variances, but there are a few items worth discussing. In our E&P operations, despite being well hedged for the year, the recent drop in both natural gas and oil prices had a modest impact on our results for the quarter. We expect that trend will continue for the remainder of the year. We've also accelerated some activities in California to take advantage of the enhanced oil recovery tax credit, which expires at the end of fiscal 2019. This will likely result in Seneca being toward the high end of our $0.85 to $0.90 per Mcfe LOE guidance range for the year. With this in mind, our fiscal 2019 earnings guidance is being revised to a range of $3.40 to $3.50 per share, down $0.10 at the midpoint. Roughly half of this decrease is associated with lower commodity prices, which our guidance now assumes at $2.40 per MMBtu for natural gas and $57.50 per barrel for oil for the remaining 3 months of the fiscal year. The rest of the decrease can be attributed to the acceleration of Seneca's EOR-related activities, a small impairment in our gathering business related to our nonoperated ownership interest in a processing facility and lower margin in our energy marketing segment. All of our other fiscal 2019 guidance assumptions are relatively unchanged and are detailed on Page 8 of last night's earnings release. Looking to fiscal 2020, we are initiating preliminary…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. And of our first question comes from the line of Holly Stewart with Scotia Howard.

Holly Stewart

Analyst

Maybe, John, we could spend just a few minutes talking about the 2020 guide. And then you mentioned in your prepared remarks a kind of mid- to high single digits beyond that. Can you talk about how the activity set has changed? And is that 1 rig in each area?

John McGinnis

Analyst

No, Holly. The rig that we're planning to drop now is in the EDA. With our planned activity in the EDA over the next few months, this will allow us to fulfill our firm sales and firm transportation commitments in both Lycoming and Tioga over the next couple of years. And really in this area, continued activity would generate volumes that would have to be sold in the spot market if we were not able to layer in additional sales. So the two rigs will be in the WDA.

Holly Stewart

Analyst

Okay. And does that keep the two crews working then in WDA? Or is there a plan to release one of those crews?

John McGinnis

Analyst

Are you referring to the frac crews?

Holly Stewart

Analyst

Yes, sorry.

John McGinnis

Analyst

Yes. Yes. No, obviously, one crew can handle two rigs in the WDA. So we will not be using a spot crew going forward.

Holly Stewart

Analyst

Okay. And is that 2-rig program then what is driving the mid- to high kind of longer-term growth numbers?

John McGinnis

Analyst

Yes, it is.

Holly Stewart

Analyst

Okay. Okay. Any sense of capital you can give us for that?

John McGinnis

Analyst

Well, going into next year, as we just said, we're going to drop about $50 million. But all in, depending on the completion related to that, it could drop as much as 100 -- a little bit over $100 million.

Holly Stewart

Analyst

Okay. That's great. And then maybe for Dave, but you probably provided an update, I guess, last quarter on just kind of where we stood with the Northern Access process. I think since then, the regulators have denied the North East supply enhancement application. Realizing these are very 2 different projects at very different stages, but can you just kind of give us maybe an update on where we are? And kind of where we go from here?

David Bauer

Analyst

Yes. We're really aren't in a very different spot on that project today versus a quarter go. We, as you know, had had victories in the courts. And with FERC finding waiver on our 401, we're in a position where we could apply for a notice to proceed. But it's pretty clear that New York is going to oppose this project pretty much at any step of the way. So we're thinking that this is really a longer-term project, likely in the 2022, 2023 time frame. And given Seneca's reduced level of activity, delay is not the worst thing in the world.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Gordon Loy of Raymond James.

Gordon Loy

Analyst

So just real quick, I see that 2020 guidance assumes that $2.55 NYMEX gas, which is -- and I guess, could you provide some color on what kind of price would have to see -- dynamics get you to see, I guess, you guys considered adding a third rig?

John McGinnis

Analyst

Yes. Obviously, we'd be looking at the -- the forward strip is going to the driver there. And I'm not sure, we'd look a little bit longer term, so 12, 24 months forward strip. But I would guess $2.65 plus, we would begin to reconsider.

Gordon Loy

Analyst

Got it. That makes sense. And then my follow-up is, off of kind of similarly looking at 2020 guide, you have production at 235 to 245 Bcfe for the year. I guess what base decline are you assuming to get to that production guidance?

David Bauer

Analyst

Could you repeat that question? I didn't understand it.

Gordon Loy

Analyst

Yes. So I just wanted to get an idea of kind of what is the base decline that you're assuming when you're looking at the 2020 production guidance?

David Bauer

Analyst

Yes. It varies across our area. But our Marcellus is typically 18%, 20% base decline. Our Utica is a little bit higher because it's a -- we've been drilling much -- many more new wells. That's probably, I would say, 25% to 30% base decline.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from line of Ryan Levine of from Citi.

Ryan Levine

Analyst

Regarding your dropping in the rig or potential dropping in the rig next year, can you speak to the Midstream implications of that?

John McGinnis

Analyst

Well, the guidance that we put out from a capital standpoint reflects the reduced level of activity. As I said in my remarks, we're going to focus on the return trip projects, drilling Utica wells pads that had previously been developed for the Marcellus. So that should keep our relative level of gathering spending pretty low.

Ryan Levine

Analyst

Okay. And then in terms of your basis exposure next year, is it still about 1/3 between the three different gas basis that you exposed? Or this is the change in drilling plan alter your exposure to different gas basis?

David Bauer

Analyst

Yes. Really most of the exposure is going to be on the spot market. And with the increased activity, it'll probably be increasing within the WDA since we'll have continue to run 2 rigs there. And 313 historically has run from anywhere from $0.10 to $0.30 higher than what we've seen in the TGP 4 and Leidy receipt points. But that's where we'll begin to see increased spot exposure is really in the WDA.

Ryan Levine

Analyst

Okay. So 3-1-3.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our next question comes from the line of Chris Sighinolfi of Jefferies.

Christopher Sighinolfi

Analyst

John, I wanted to touch on, I guess, first on a few Seneca items. You had detailed in the prepared remarks, I think if I heard you correctly, 15 Marcellus and 25 to 30 Utica wells next year. But I'm curious the cadence of pad completion in the production growth throughout the year. Is there anything you can share at this point that would help us sort of better refine the shape of the production curve for the year?

John McGinnis

Analyst

Yes. 2/3 of those wells will be in the WDA. And I'd have to sit down and calculate out the cadence per quarter. I have not done that. So that's something we'll have to back up and get for you.

Christopher Sighinolfi

Analyst

Okay. I mean at this point, are you thinking that there is going to be a meaningful growth in back half versus front half? Or I guess anything generically you could say at this point as you think about the year in total?

John McGinnis

Analyst

Yes. First few pads come on towards the end of the first quarter, early in the second quarter and then, its' fairly consistent for the remainder of the year.

Christopher Sighinolfi

Analyst

Fairly consistent adds?

John McGinnis

Analyst

Yes. Yes.

Christopher Sighinolfi

Analyst

Okay. And I guess as we think about fiscal '20, with that plan with running 2 drilling rigs but 1 completion crew, is the -- and I guess that the forecast you're giving beyond that of being mid- to high single digits, is the uncompleted but drilled inventory at the end of next year going to shape up to be fairly similar to this year? Or are you adding DUC inventory with that change?

John McGinnis

Analyst

No. We'll actually -- we'll have a spot crew at least going through the second quarter of 2020 and then it'll disappear. And at that point, we will begin to eat into our DUC count.

Christopher Sighinolfi

Analyst

Okay. Okay. And if I can keep going, following up on Holly's question about growth beyond 2020. I just wanted to verify, so that outlook's predicated on the reduced profile two drilling rigs, one completion crew?

John McGinnis

Analyst

Yes. Right now, we're forecasting two rigs and a single crew going forward beyond 2020.

Christopher Sighinolfi

Analyst

And I guess as I look at the entire crew, there's been a pretty meaningful pullback of activity on all the regional E&Ps. So I mean are there -- I don't know how long you have these teams contracted, but other opportunities to push service cost lower just given the aggregate reduction in regional activity?

John McGinnis

Analyst

Yes. As we move into the winter months, Chris, we'll certainly be looking to continue to try to layer in additional sales. But once we drop that first rig and we see where pricing is, then we'll certainly take a step back and reassess what or activity looks like going forward.

Christopher Sighinolfi

Analyst

Okay. And then I have two more, if I could. Just Slide 9. John, you would be telling that this is the latest presentation, the projected Utica gathering CapEx per well, just noticed that without any change the footnotes or anything, it's steadily risen over the last couple of quarters. I think the point of the slide is still hold what you intend, which is that it's very efficient to use the same pads that you have in the Marcellus program that Dave mentioned earlier. But just curious about what that cost creep has been driven by?

David Bauer

Analyst

Yes. Chris, this Dave. We had some questions on this last night, and took a -- took another look at this number and it turns out we had a bit of bust in it. The number should really be closer to $430. We're going to further scrub the numbers and get an updated deck out next week.

Christopher Sighinolfi

Analyst

Okay. So $430, I guess, that would be fairly consistent with last quarter's spend.

David Bauer

Analyst

Yes.

Christopher Sighinolfi

Analyst

Okay. And then my final question, Karen, first, I guess, congrats on the promotion and best of luck in your new role, I didn't want to let the opportunity to asking you a question.

Karen Camiolo

Analyst

Oh, well, I'll check back and Dave didn't have to answer any questions for at least 3 teleconference. So let's go for it.

Christopher Sighinolfi

Analyst

I'm not sure if you've had a chance yet to meet with the agencies or if Dave had this conversation with them the last time he was in front of them. But I'm just wondering as we think about lower gas prices, their impact on cash flows from unhedged production and your investment plans across the businesses. Where does the debt-to-EBITDA leverage limit exist for you under your current credit ratings?

Karen Camiolo

Analyst

3.5x EBITDA.

Christopher Sighinolfi

Analyst

3.5? Okay, great.

Karen Camiolo

Analyst

Yes.

David Bauer

Analyst

Yes. That would be with Moody's. S&P would generally look more towards FFO to that being in kind of the 30% range. And we'll look at our forecast -- even at these lower prices, we don't really push up on either of these limits.

Operator

Operator

And I don't have any further questioners in the queue at this time. I'll turn the call back over to the presenters for the closing remarks.

Kenneth Webster

Analyst

Thank you, Suzanne. We'd like to thank everyone for taking the time to be with us today. A replay of this call will be available at approximately 3 p.m. Eastern Time on both our website and by telephone and will run through the close of business on Friday, August 9. To access the replay online, please visit our Investor Relations website at investor.nationalfuelgas.com, and to access by telephone, call 1-833-287-0795 and enter a conference ID #2194110. This concludes our conference call for today. Thank you, and goodbye.

Operator

Operator

Thank you very much. This does conclude today's conference call. You may now disconnect.